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| 01:40.02 | toofer | Anyone here use Amazon S3 for any applications? |
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| 02:14.13 | elg | tensai: hope you don't get called to eq prez or something |
| 02:14.15 | elg | shudders |
| 02:14.33 | tensai | clearly you don't know me well enough |
| 02:16.46 | elg | hopes that means you are not an attractive choice, and not that you would actually enjoy eq prez |
| 02:19.12 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://utos.org/irc | Log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | TANSTAAFL | Ding dong the Darl's dead^wfired. Which old Darl? SCO's old Darl. Ding dong the wicked Darl's fired! |
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| 03:10.57 | Sargun | toofer, sure |
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| 04:24.53 | maquis | puts more free books on her kindle... mmm |
| 04:26.26 | Reilithion | Free books ftw |
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| 04:31.46 | j_anon | Hello. |
| 04:33.04 | Reilithion | j_anon: Greetings. I am Mr. Jerald S. Thompson. I am contacting you on behalf of the late... *headwall* I mean, welcome. |
| 04:33.54 | j_anon | I'm watching that one South Park where Cartman makes that guy eat his own parents. |
| 04:35.51 | Reilithion | I'm watching the weather. It's much more interesting. |
| 04:36.21 | j_anon | oh, to be you. |
| 04:36.58 | Reilithion | Not all it's cracked up to be. |
| 04:37.30 | j_anon | are there any hawtt gurls in here btw |
| 04:40.41 | Reilithion | The day I am convinced someone on IRC is actually female, I would like to get a Hell-flavored snow-cone. |
| 04:40.52 | Reilithion | It may be my only opportunity. |
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| 05:13.32 | toofer | Sargun, Hey just noticed your response. I was just curious what type of applications this is being used for in the community. |
| 05:13.45 | Sargun | backups |
| 05:14.13 | Sargun | we also use it + cloudfront for file distribution |
| 05:14.14 | Sargun | toofer, why |
| 05:19.17 | toofer | Sargun, just curious. Looking at possible solutions for actually the same thing, backups. |
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| 05:21.03 | Sargun | toofer, I'd also recommend these guys: |
| 05:21.03 | Sargun | http://rsync.net/ |
| 05:21.06 | Sargun | http://rsyncpalace.com/ |
| 05:21.21 | brac | [rsync.net - Secure Offsite Backups, Offsite Data Storage and Remote Encrypted Filesystems, Offsite Backup] |
| 05:21.48 | brac | [Rsync Palace.com - Offsite Backups, Offsite Data Storage] |
| 05:22.14 | toofer | Sargun, thanks |
| 05:29.32 | Sargun | no problem |
| 05:29.45 | Sargun | toofer, how much data are you looking at backing up |
| 05:32.20 | toofer | Sargun, only about 30GB. |
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| 15:04.44 | goozbach | anyone else having issues connecting to google? |
| 15:08.26 | jsmith | Nope... just to VPN + Jabber at work |
| 15:08.34 | jsmith | I hear Qwest might be having a big outage, though |
| 15:08.42 | goozbach | methinks there's a big outage somewheres |
| 15:08.57 | goozbach | cause it's affecting both of our profiders |
| 15:09.06 | goozbach | at&t leased line |
| 15:09.09 | goozbach | and comcast |
| 15:09.19 | goozbach | and some of the students at GT next door |
| 15:09.22 | jsmith | Yeah... something is afoot |
| 15:09.32 | jsmith | internethealthreport.com doesn't show any major |
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| 15:13.59 | Migs | http://gizmodo.com/5385625/dungeons--dragons-on-the-microsoft-surface?autoplay=true |
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| 15:19.47 | goozbach | just got a report from my DataCenter, their Level3 BGP just dropped |
| 15:21.34 | jsmith | goozbach: That's no good :-( |
| 15:21.52 | goozbach | not good at all |
| 15:22.02 | goozbach | level 3 is a big dog |
| 15:23.45 | jsmith | goozbach: Keep me up to date w/ what you hear... I'm doing more looking from other angles as well |
| 15:37.18 | jsmith | goozbach: Latest I've heard is a peering issue between Sprint and Level3 |
| 15:37.43 | jsmith | goozbach: Keynote is reporting high latency between Level3 and Cogent as well |
| 15:37.51 | TehLaser | internethealthreport.com is now showing some read from cogent to level3... is that interesting or typical? |
| 15:37.59 | TehLaser | s/read/red/ |
| 15:38.18 | goozbach | jsmith: We're just talking about our proposed new datacenter |
| 15:38.30 | goozbach | looks like all the sites there are down at the moment |
| 15:38.37 | goozbach | can anyone reach ajc.com |
| 15:38.40 | goozbach | or kudzu.com |
| 15:38.43 | jsmith | TehLaser: It's only showing latency, but what we're experiencing is high packet loss |
| 15:39.02 | TehLaser | That's showing 5%+ packet loss, not latency |
| 15:39.12 | TehLaser | kudzu.com worked, ajc.com did not. |
| 15:39.21 | goozbach | TehLaser: thanks |
| 15:39.37 | jsmith | I'm not able to get to either from Sprint |
| 15:39.57 | jsmith | Now Kudzu.com is working |
| 15:40.02 | jsmith | ajc.com is not |
| 15:40.53 | TehLaser | kudzu kinda sorta worked from xmission. Got the html, but no images. |
| 15:41.30 | goozbach | TehLaser: that helps |
| 15:42.08 | jsmith | goozbach: Seeing 30% packet loss on one of Sprint's links, and the rest of the packets getting lost further down the line |
| 15:42.15 | jsmith | goozbach: (that's to ajc.com) |
| 15:43.02 | jsmith | goozbach: For kudzu.com, I'm seeing about 28% packet loss on Level3's link between Washington and Atlanta |
| 15:43.35 | goozbach | level3 just confirmed upstream hardware issues and have rolled some trucks |
| 15:44.48 | sjansen | can reach both ajc.com and kudzu.com |
| 15:45.01 | goozbach | sjansen: which ISP are you using? |
| 15:45.25 | goozbach | and how about statesman.com? |
| 15:45.42 | goozbach | and wsbradio.com |
| 15:46.18 | sjansen | Also working. |
| 15:46.35 | jsmith | goozbach: Working, but ~50% packet loss between Sprint and Savvis |
| 15:46.37 | sjansen | traceroute shows GL -> QWest -> Level3 |
| 15:46.48 | JoshH | kudzu works fine over XO from xmission |
| 15:47.00 | goozbach | JoshH: ajc.com? |
| 15:47.20 | goozbach | this is awesome, I'm gonna have a great case for keeping our servers at internap |
| 15:47.33 | JoshH | that works too, over l3 |
| 15:47.34 | jsmith | statesman.com from here goes Sprint -> Savvis -> Cox |
| 15:47.42 | sjansen | mtr apc.com is looking good as far as ALTER.NET, but disappears after that |
| 15:47.53 | jsmith | sjansen: I concur |
| 15:47.54 | JoshH | using mtr, you can see the loss doesn't occur at the destination, so it's probably just routers deprioritizing icmp |
| 15:47.54 | goozbach | sjansen: aJc.com |
| 15:48.24 | sjansen | Yeah, sorry, ajc.com. Atlanta *mumble* *mumble* |
| 15:49.05 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:49.09 | sjansen | 10% loss at ae-7.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net, 25% loss at 63.146.26.134 |
| 15:49.39 | sjansen | Right on the edge between QWest and Level3 |
| 15:50.11 | jsmith | I'm seeing the same |
| 15:51.02 | sjansen | statesman.com is going GL -> QWest -> savvis.net |
| 15:51.24 | sjansen | mtr statesman.com showing 50% loss at cr2-tengig-0-15-0-0.Washington.savvis.net |
| 15:51.49 | sjansen | Smacking in the middles of savvis.net's path |
| 15:52.31 | jsmith | Yeah... so this doesn't appear to be just a Level3 thing |
| 15:52.42 | goozbach | sjansen: can you do an mtr to wsbradio.com please? |
| 15:52.47 | jsmith | I'm seeing problems on Level3, Cogent, Savvis, and Sprint |
| 15:52.57 | sjansen | wsbradio.com: GL -> QWest -> sprintlink.net |
| 15:53.06 | goozbach | hmm |
| 15:53.12 | goozbach | looks to be settling down |
| 15:53.13 | sjansen | 0% loss for wsbradio.com |
| 15:53.21 | goozbach | ajc.com just came back up for me |
| 15:53.48 | sjansen | Still seeing ~25% loss for ajc.com |
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| 15:54.18 | jsmith | sjansen: Only 25? I'm seeing 38%, on Level3 in NYC |
| 15:54.50 | goozbach | thanks all can you mail me a screenshot of your MTR or traceroute output please? derek @t cxri.net |
| 15:54.52 | JoshH | i'm seeing 0, but i stay on level3 the whole way |
| 15:55.13 | goozbach | I want a rock-solid case for staying in the datacenter were in now. |
| 15:55.26 | goozbach | which is where wsbradio.com is hosted |
| 15:55.43 | goozbach | it's not had a missing packet since the link dropped at 10:40 |
| 15:55.59 | goozbach | once it re-converged it was awesome! |
| 15:56.10 | JoshH | meh, you could have issues like that in any datacenter at any time |
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| 15:57.47 | goozbach | JoshH: that's the problem |
| 15:57.56 | goozbach | we don't want but a few dropped packets |
| 15:58.14 | goozbach | PNAP does a great job of finding another route |
| 15:58.44 | goozbach | the proposed "new" datacenter was efectively offline for a while |
| 15:59.11 | goozbach | I want my director to have that information to be able to make a proper decision |
| 15:59.37 | sjansen | Bah, looks like I've made the GL FW mad at me. :-( |
| 15:59.54 | Jayce^ | FW? |
| 16:00.06 | sjansen | firewall |
| 16:00.06 | elg | first woman? |
| 16:00.28 | Jayce^ | firmware |
| 16:00.42 | elg | firewoman maybe |
| 16:00.47 | JoshH | that's a good song |
| 16:11.50 | jsmith | goozbach: I just sent you a screenshot with some particularly nasty packet losses... let me know if that works :-p |
| 16:11.58 | goozbach | thanks |
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| 17:20.39 | unum | ot: http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-sex-education-meeting,0,6974566.story |
| 17:20.44 | unum | but I'm in the video!!! |
| 17:20.50 | unum | they didn't use my interview |
| 17:22.34 | mulicheng | What did you say? |
| 17:27.50 | harleypig | http://pictureisunrelated.com/2009/10/19/maybe-bobs-fear-of-the-dentist-was-justified/ |
| 17:27.53 | harleypig | mildly nsfw |
| 17:28.07 | harleypig | (You can see a butt crack) |
| 17:29.04 | goozbach | when will I learn to *NOT* click on an HP link? |
| 17:29.18 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:30.04 | harleypig | favorite comment so far: Probably one of the last things you want to see when coming out of anesthesia. |
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| 17:32.21 | unum | mulicheng: I just said I really support the bill and want to help it pass |
| 17:34.13 | mulicheng | The bill says parents get to choose between two forms of sex education.. mild abstinence vs all the details right? |
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| 17:41.32 | unum | mulicheng: right |
| 17:41.48 | unum | maybe I better be more specific |
| 17:42.11 | unum | the current curriculm vs one that will specific include information about contraceptives |
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| 17:43.10 | unum | huh, dell is coming out with an android phone |
| 17:43.24 | mulicheng | Seems like some groups get worked up a lot about the topic. I always figured I could teach my kids whatever I want and tell them to ask me if they have questions about anything they learn at school. |
| 17:43.30 | unum | I wonder who the manufacture is |
| 17:43.57 | unum | mulicheng: I think a lot of people are completely uninformed about what this bill is really doing |
| 17:44.09 | unum | they just think all sex education should be done at home |
| 17:44.22 | unum | so they are opposing anything they see as "expanding" it |
| 17:44.33 | unum | that's the impression I got from talking to the southerland guy |
| 17:45.18 | mulicheng | Wonder why those people have a problem with the bill since they can opt out of having their kids taught the "expanded" version. |
| 17:45.23 | unum | who told me that allowing teachers to discuss the effectiveness of contraceptives in school cheapens sex for those that hear it |
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| 17:45.40 | unum | he wants to protect my children from having sex cheapened |
| 17:46.06 | mulicheng | I'm all for contraceptives. I have 5 kids :) |
| 17:46.15 | unum | Just like I want to protect his children from getting pregnant at 16 :) |
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| 17:46.38 | unum | that's part of what I pointed out to him. is that I have no idea about what is even availiable |
| 17:47.04 | unum | so as I talk to my girlfriend about family planning, I find my self incapable of having the discussion |
| 17:47.11 | unum | he told me I should go buy a book |
| 17:47.15 | unum | or talk to my doctor |
| 17:47.18 | mulicheng | it isn't like information isn't available. |
| 17:47.30 | unum | I should have asked him why that didn't cheapen it |
| 17:47.49 | mulicheng | a simple google search i'm sure will yield plenty of information. |
| 17:48.18 | unum | but finding something broad and comprehensive can be a bit tricky |
| 17:48.32 | unum | wikipedia is the most useful in this case to be sure |
| 17:48.41 | unum | but can sometimes be too comprehensive |
| 17:49.13 | mulicheng | ~teach unum about contraception |
| 17:49.14 | ibot | ACTION sits unum down and forces unum to learn to about contraception, even if it takes 15 years |
| 17:49.20 | mulicheng | :) |
| 17:49.22 | unum | thanks :) |
| 17:49.37 | unum | but now sex has been cheapened for me |
| 17:49.51 | mulicheng | I disagree with the southerland guy. |
| 17:50.15 | mulicheng | but he can express his opinion too I guess. |
| 17:50.28 | unum | cheapened wasn't really the word he wanted to use(it was the word I used when trying to understand his position but he reused it) |
| 17:51.25 | mulicheng | I can see an argument for pre-married, that teaching there is a safe, less-worry, no-problems, way to have sex could cheapen the value of a sexual relationship. |
| 17:51.43 | mulicheng | but I don't think the same applies broadly to all contraception. |
| 17:52.15 | unum | he seemed to think that having the conversation in a class room would some how lessen the experience |
| 17:52.32 | unum | at this point in the conversation I looked for a wedding ring, there wasn't one |
| 17:52.54 | JoshH | i think teaching that waiting for marriage is the best idea for most people makes sense, but to firmly expect that everyone does just that is simply idiotic |
| 17:53.12 | mulicheng | contraception is totally different for married vs unmarried I think. |
| 17:53.17 | JoshH | and to base education on such a rigid view is dumb too |
| 17:53.26 | mulicheng | unmarried purpose=protection |
| 17:53.26 | mulicheng | married purpose=contraception |
| 17:53.35 | unum | mulicheng: true |
| 17:54.00 | JoshH | well, for unmarried it's both |
| 17:54.21 | mulicheng | Agreed. |
| 17:54.21 | unum | well I should say there is a lot of truth to that |
| 17:54.48 | unum | I know people who have been in committed unmarried relations for longer than some people I know have been married |
| 17:54.59 | mulicheng | I guess that if you had an unfaithful spouse the protection part could apply to married as well. |
| 17:55.26 | unum | ya I guess we could split a lot of hairs about lifestyles |
| 17:55.31 | mulicheng | Point is simply that different people have different views on why they use it. |
| 17:55.38 | unum | that "married" and "unmarried" imply |
| 17:56.28 | unum | currently curriculm can not advocate contraception, even in marriage |
| 17:57.07 | mulicheng | That I didn't know. |
| 17:57.21 | mulicheng | but I guess a blanket "can't advocate" applies to anything currently. |
| 18:01.01 | mulicheng | I think the opposition thinks if kids know that they can avoid some of the risks of sex with contraception, then they might think it's ok to go ahead and participate since they can mitigate the risks. |
| 18:02.23 | mulicheng | But they want to advocate no pre-marital sex and see the contraception talks as a possible weakness in their argument. |
| 18:06.26 | goozbach | if you outlaw sex, only outlaws will have sex... |
| 18:08.40 | jsmith | goozbach: Then you outlaw the outlaws! |
| 18:09.03 | goozbach | then only the outlaws will be (outlaws?) |
| 18:16.14 | unum | my favorite statement about this is "just let them get married, that will put an end to teenage sex" |
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| 18:19.13 | unum | http://wiseandroid.com/NewsItem.aspx?category=News&path=October&itemid=14 |
| 18:19.25 | unum | anyone have any experience with any of those phones? |
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| 18:24.40 | Reilithion | topic++ |
| 18:24.44 | mulicheng | unum: Isn't the point of the list that they are going to be released in the future? |
| 18:24.56 | unum | mulicheng: the highlighted ones are realeased |
| 18:25.03 | mulicheng | Ah |
| 18:25.14 | unum | and some people in here have early access :) |
| 18:37.24 | mulicheng | I haven't found a good smart phone that I can get for similar to what I currently pay for my dumb cell phone. |
| 18:53.56 | levi | I wouldn't expect to get a smartphone for the same price a dumb phone. |
| 18:54.41 | levi | As AT&T is finding, a good smartphone is massively more resource intensive for the network. |
| 18:54.52 | rsimpkins | Why not get rid fo the dumb phones and make all phones smartphones so we can just call them phones, instead of having to qualify what type of phone it is? |
| 18:54.59 | mulicheng | I'm not really expecting that I guess. |
| 18:55.15 | mulicheng | Just reminiscing that until I'm willing to pay the premium, my dumb phone is good enough. |
| 18:55.31 | mulicheng | Currently, I'd rather spend the money on other stuff every month. |
| 18:58.11 | levi | Same for me. I can't justify the price of a smartphone plan, or even a monthly phone plan, at the moment. |
| 18:58.43 | mulicheng | It's the monthly price that concerns me. |
| 18:59.08 | mulicheng | I could spring a couple hundred for a one time charge on something cool, but I'm not paying $50+ every month to use it. |
| 18:59.09 | levi | I really wish I could. I did in the past, and I enjoyed it, and it would be so much better with today's phones, but it's too much money. |
| 18:59.20 | mulicheng | (I mean $50 over what I'm paying now.) |
| 18:59.33 | Jayce^ | my wife was looking at upgrading to take my iphone... then she realized with the monthly cost she could get a new lens... |
| 18:59.43 | rsimpkins | I have a bb with tmobile for the wife - I think it is $20mo for unlimited service. |
| 18:59.48 | rsimpkins | Maybe that isn't good enough? |
| 19:00.06 | levi | Jayce^: And a nice lens too, probably. |
| 19:00.09 | mulicheng | Right now I get two cells phones + home voip for $80 after taxes. |
| 19:00.20 | Jayce^ | levi: well, nice, vs NICE of course... |
| 19:00.31 | mulicheng | rsimpkins: what is bb? |
| 19:00.46 | rsimpkins | blackberry |
| 19:01.02 | mulicheng | ah, $20 seems a pretty good deal. |
| 19:01.19 | mulicheng | what is your total bill/month? |
| 19:01.23 | levi | Well, for me, and I pay $25 every few months to recharge my minutes, switching to an iPhone plan would cost a rather nice lens every year. :) |
| 19:01.24 | mulicheng | to tmobile. |
| 19:01.35 | rsimpkins | It is either 20 or 30 - which far outweighs the convinience and pleasure she gets out of using it. |
| 19:01.46 | levi | I just want to get my camera back from the shop at this point, though. :( |
| 19:01.49 | rsimpkins | She has a lot of features, I think it is about 80/mo |
| 19:02.28 | Jayce^ | levi: what happened? and which shop? |
| 19:02.46 | mulicheng | rsimpkins: So the $20 is for bb specific, but the phone plan still costs normal cell phone charges right? |
| 19:02.53 | rsimpkins | mulicheng: Yup. |
| 19:03.14 | mulicheng | I want less features for less money :) |
| 19:03.19 | mulicheng | same with TV |
| 19:03.23 | levi | Jayce^: It fell out of my backpack and onto rocks while hiking on Mt. Rainier. Amazingly, everything seems to still be okay *except* for the little switch that detects that the SD card is unlocked. :( |
| 19:03.41 | rsimpkins | mulicheng: A subscription with netflix and a cheap DVD player would be hard to beat. |
| 19:03.48 | mulicheng | got it. |
| 19:03.59 | mulicheng | netflix + tivo |
| 19:04.02 | rsimpkins | there ya go - less features for less money. :) |
| 19:04.05 | mulicheng | and we already payed for the tivo |
| 19:04.05 | levi | Jayce^: I've got it at Forster's Camera, since it was listed as an authorized repair shop. |
| 19:04.11 | mulicheng | but it's the local channels |
| 19:04.24 | mulicheng | I'd cancel tv altogether if the antenna worked where we live. |
| 19:04.40 | mulicheng | but we live too far north in utah valley, around point of the mountain from the broadcast stations. |
| 19:04.43 | levi | I've got a mythtv and local HD stuff, and along with Hulu and Netflix I'm pretty happy, TV-wise. |
| 19:05.07 | levi | I apparently live in the right part of Lehi for TV reception. |
| 19:05.21 | mulicheng | Yeah, Lehi is pretty good for the most part. |
| 19:05.36 | mulicheng | AF is OK south of the hospital I think. |
| 19:05.41 | mulicheng | we live north of the Temple though. |
| 19:05.48 | mulicheng | almost to Cedar Hills. |
| 19:05.55 | mulicheng | and reception is spotty at best. |
| 19:06.08 | mulicheng | sometimes I can get one channel to come in, but never more than one at a time. |
| 19:06.15 | levi | Hulu is awesome for TV, especially if you can get Hulu Desktop to work well. |
| 19:06.18 | Jayce^ | I'm lucky, nobody around me gets reception, but I have a taller house, and get all the channels |
| 19:06.35 | Jayce^ | guess it bounces off the oquirrhs just right if I point more to the west |
| 19:06.44 | mulicheng | I'd be perfectly happy with internet options, hulu etc, but the family wants to watch something on occasion is the problem. |
| 19:07.17 | stderr | if I could cancel my subscription during the football off-season, I'd be set, but otherwise, I gots to have at least basic cable. |
| 19:07.55 | levi | Not being a sports fan makes minimal TV much easier to deal with. |
| 19:08.32 | mulicheng | I'm happy to look on the internet and see who one if I even care that much :) |
| 19:08.43 | Jayce^ | so, that new 'server' mac mini is pretty spiffy looking |
| 19:10.14 | levi | I totally missed that there was a new Mac Mini. |
| 19:10.19 | goozbach | yeah, but I bet I can build an equiv system using a mini-ITX for a quarter the price |
| 19:11.55 | mulicheng | ++mini-ITX :) |
| 19:12.01 | levi | goozbach: Which is a great deal unless you want to run OS-X reliably and without worry. |
| 19:13.02 | levi | And it probably wouldn't look as nice. |
| 19:17.31 | levi | Hmm... new iMacs are Core i5/i7s. |
| 19:18.25 | levi | Which means there's a pretty good chance I could dual-boot OS X on my i5 system. |
| 19:18.25 | rsimpkins | I am secretly having an affair with an i7-870. Shhh. |
| 19:19.24 | levi | $2k for the i5 27" model. |
| 19:19.26 | mulicheng | People complain about the costs of a mac, but I used to buy new pc stuff every year or two. I've been happy with my iMac for quite a while and have no plans to upgrade. I think it actually is costing me less. |
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| 19:42.49 | Jayce^ | mulicheng: I've had the same experience |
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| 19:53.44 | Sargun | Viruses are pretty cool. |
| 19:54.05 | Sargun | mulicheng, it depends. |
| 19:54.27 | Sargun | mulicheng, New Thinkpad: $3000, lasts you 3 years. |
| 19:55.01 | Sargun | you can't get the same options (re: accident coverage) on a mac. |
| 19:55.11 | Sargun | so, if you're like me, and clumsy as hell |
| 19:55.21 | Sargun | ruining a mac will cost you...the cost of the mac |
| 19:55.49 | mulicheng | Guess that can go for any type of computer. |
| 19:56.25 | Sargun | mulicheng, No, Dell, and Lenovo have had accident coverage for a very long time |
| 19:56.50 | mulicheng | wonder how long you can get apple care for. |
| 19:56.55 | Jayce^ | 3 years |
| 19:57.02 | mulicheng | I never buy that though. |
| 19:57.20 | Jayce^ | had one on a work purchased laptop, wound up using it in the 3rd year |
| 19:57.25 | mulicheng | guess if you drop your computer it's worth it. |
| 19:57.37 | Sargun | mulicheng, Applecare is nowhere as good on the warranty on my Dell. ^_^ |
| 19:57.59 | Sargun | I know this, because 3 months through owning my dell, I dropped it, and they repaired it :-) |
| 19:58.20 | Sargun | mulicheng, Applecare doesn't cover accidental damage |
| 19:58.48 | Sargun | Ok, I've owned this computer for 6 months, I configured an identical macbook, and it came out to $3077 dollars |
| 19:59.14 | Jayce^ | not quite identical :) always differences |
| 19:59.32 | Sargun | Jayce^, like? |
| 19:59.35 | Jayce^ | for macs, usually the design, thickness, screen quality, etc... those new batteries too |
| 20:00.22 | Sargun | This computer also has: WWAN card, nicer warranty, smartcard slot, extended batteries, oh, and it came with vista, which was nice |
| 20:00.46 | Jayce^ | that's nice? |
| 20:00.48 | sjansen | http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/features/ |
| 20:00.49 | brac | [Nook Features, eBook Reader, eBook Device - Barnes & Noble] |
| 20:00.53 | Sargun | Jayce^, i was making a joke. |
| 20:01.17 | Sargun | Jayce^, I like the design of this, except the power port. |
| 20:01.31 | Sargun | sjansen, NOOK? |
| 20:02.02 | Sargun | I wonder who came up with that name |
| 20:02.23 | Sargun | but, cool. |
| 20:02.29 | goozbach | does it do pdfs? |
| 20:02.39 | Sargun | # PDFs load easily and look great. |
| 20:02.56 | Sargun | goozbach, Not only does it do them, it does them easily, while they're looking great. |
| 20:03.03 | mulicheng | Wow, new 27" 3 Ghz 4GB mem iMac is 1699 |
| 20:03.48 | goozbach | sjansen: that's intriguing |
| 20:03.55 | Sargun | can't wait until his new server gets here (64 GB of RAM) |
| 20:05.00 | Sargun | compares an xserv to his dells |
| 20:05.14 | Sargun | by the way, Apple does not eat their own dogfood for their servers |
| 20:05.27 | goozbach | what do you mean? |
| 20:06.21 | Sargun | Apple doesn't use XServe's throughout their datacenters |
| 20:06.36 | Jayce^ | keyword, throughout... |
| 20:07.07 | Sargun | Jayce^, Ok, the apple datacentres I've seen don't have more than a dozen XServes |
| 20:07.10 | Jayce^ | kinda glad, gives them a chance to learn from some of their mistakes :) |
| 20:07.47 | Sargun | I saw almost all Suns and IBMs |
| 20:08.13 | goozbach | I really like the new dell servers |
| 20:08.16 | goozbach | the R series |
| 20:08.25 | goozbach | we just bought 4- R610 servers |
| 20:08.31 | goozbach | very nice platform |
| 20:08.37 | Jayce^ | is glad to not have had to deal with servers for quite a while |
| 20:09.55 | sjansen | ~steal rsimpkins's i7 |
| 20:09.56 | ibot | ACTION grabs rsimpkins's i7 and gives it to sjansen |
| 20:09.56 | Sargun | goozbach, We bougtht 16. |
| 20:09.56 | Sargun | R410s. |
| 20:09.56 | Sargun | I like them. |
| 20:10.05 | Sargun | goozbach, I think 16? maybe 17, 18, 20? |
| 20:10.26 | Sargun | 18... |
| 20:10.37 | Sargun | goozbach, and they're damn cheap. |
| 20:10.44 | Sargun | $3500 |
| 20:10.51 | jsmith | "Sell 'em cheap and stack 'em deep" |
| 20:12.36 | goozbach | dEEEEp |
| 20:12.42 | Sargun | goozbach, except their power consumption is unsatisfactory |
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| 20:13.29 | goozbach | they are thirsty beasts |
| 20:14.06 | bonez46 | I am curious.. conducting very informal survey.. what do you (any may answer) to keep track of all the phone numbers, faxes, addresses, names.. all that stuff? what database or . how do some of you manage that information? |
| 20:14.26 | Sargun | outlook |
| 20:14.37 | sjansen | I write on the back of my hand with blue or black ink. |
| 20:14.38 | goozbach | bonez46: google contacts |
| 20:14.42 | mp_ | zimbra |
| 20:14.48 | jsmith | bonez46: My cell phone, sync'd to an online service |
| 20:14.52 | Sargun | mp_, I say outlook, but I mean Zimbra. |
| 20:14.52 | levi | Post-it notes. |
| 20:14.52 | bonez46 | sjansen: I figured you'd mention some low tech method..;) |
| 20:15.25 | bonez46 | Sargun do you run a Zimbra server. yourself? |
| 20:15.34 | Sargun | bonez46, outsourced. |
| 20:16.25 | bonez46 | goozbach: google contacts, eh? I recently got my google voice number.. I'd like to start publishing it, but I am worried Google may have to change that service.. are you pretty comfortable with google contacts being safe? |
| 20:16.47 | Sargun | No. |
| 20:16.54 | Sargun | Google can lose them/cut you off at any time |
| 20:17.09 | Sargun | My google account has mysteriously disappeared for days |
| 20:17.17 | Sargun | with no response from google. |
| 20:18.52 | bonez46 | would something like LDAP work to keep track of this sort of information? I want something for my home LAN for me, wife and boys to keep track of everything.. |
| 20:19.41 | goozbach | bonez46: I've got them exported in a textfile |
| 20:20.21 | goozbach | so I'm not too worried |
| 20:21.07 | Sargun | bonez46, I would seriously recommend zimbra |
| 20:21.09 | bonez46 | ok. are you the only one using that, or do you have significant other too? |
| 20:21.22 | Sargun | not a significant other, but friends. |
| 20:22.01 | Sargun | Only thing that really is annoying about zimbra: cost, and lack of some of the integration features (Voice, Chat, so on) |
| 20:22.23 | bonez46 | so shared, .. is your data shared, gooz? |
| 20:23.05 | Zelut | Sargun: the annoying thing for me is the java. zimbra is a beast |
| 20:23.21 | Sargun | Zelut, what java? you mean in the desktop client? |
| 20:23.38 | Zelut | Sargun: zimbra server |
| 20:23.49 | Sargun | Zelut, I outsource that. |
| 20:23.53 | sjansen | Bah. |
| 20:24.02 | Sargun | sjansen, BAH! |
| 20:24.03 | fungus | outsourcing is for wusses |
| 20:24.14 | Sargun | fungus, wusses are for wusses |
| 20:24.26 | bonez46 | well, fungus, what do you use to manage all your contact info? |
| 20:24.44 | fungus | hums and looks away |
| 20:24.48 | fungus | Google Contacts |
| 20:25.34 | fungus | is a google convert, google apps, contacts, docs, sync, etc |
| 20:25.41 | Sargun | Zelut, the lack of hot failover bothers me. |
| 20:26.06 | goozbach | bonez46: not shared |
| 20:26.17 | Zelut | we considered running a zimbra server here for our office, but the server requirements were going to suck. |
| 20:29.40 | sjansen | ~shoot libvirt |
| 20:29.40 | ibot | ACTION shoots libvirt in the ear with a phase pistol! |
| 20:30.20 | Sargun | Zelut, :-( |
| 20:30.34 | Sargun | goozbach, Did you buy the high efficiency PSUs for your R-series? |
| 20:30.42 | jsmith | sjansen: What did libvirt do to you today? |
| 20:31.10 | goozbach | Sargun: didn't |
| 20:31.17 | goozbach | hi-performace |
| 20:31.53 | Sargun | Since they use blade-style PSUs, and can hotswap, I'm considering upgrading the PSUs when we need to add more servers, instead of buying a new rack |
| 20:32.13 | sjansen | Stray even the tiniest bit outside what the devs envision and it starts throwing errors. It isn't as crash happy as it was, but it still likes to run off and sulk when provoked. |
| 20:36.58 | levi | So, the office is finally going to upgrade my T41p to a W500. :) |
| 20:37.12 | levi | Hopefully just in time for me to go spend 2 weeks in San Jose. |
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| 20:58.38 | elg | levi: coming to san jose? |
| 21:01.17 | Jayce^ | oh man, another new meme site... http://ugliesttattoos.com/ |
| 21:08.16 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yeah, but that one isn't new, or pretty |
| 21:08.46 | Jayce^ | new to me, and yeah, lotsa not pretty |
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| 21:11.31 | opapo_ | I have a 16 GB flash drive. I tried to turn it into a switchblade (something I was taught at a security conference) |
| 21:12.06 | opapo_ | Now lshw and gparted show it as a 3.12 GB drive |
| 21:12.24 | opapo_ | How can I recover the full 16GB? |
| 21:14.43 | goozbach | you know what we should start? |
| 21:14.50 | goozbach | a meme site about meme sites |
| 21:15.17 | Reilithion | Very meta. |
| 21:15.24 | sjansen | opapo_: Have you tried turning it into a swiss army knife? |
| 21:16.11 | opapo_ | If it would accomplish the same goals and more stable that would be great. |
| 21:19.10 | opapo_ | What would happen if I were to use "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb" |
| 21:19.33 | opapo_ | would that write 0s on the whole drive? |
| 21:19.54 | opapo_ | or would that still only see the 3.12 GB? |
| 21:21.18 | sjansen | Depends on what's "seeing" the size. |
| 21:22.27 | opapo_ | sjansen: lshw shows my 16GB thumbdrive as a 3.12GB drive |
| 21:22.36 | opapo_ | so does gparted |
| 21:22.47 | sjansen | That's not good. |
| 21:23.10 | opapo_ | I'm trying to fix the problem |
| 21:23.46 | sjansen | fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 21:23.55 | sjansen | grep /dev/sdb /proc/partitions |
| 21:24.06 | sjansen | If those all show 3.9, you've probably got a hardware problem. |
| 21:27.31 | mulicheng | Or a non-standard usb device file system. |
| 21:27.54 | mulicheng | I have a device for instance, that no matter what, implements a read-only partition. I can't write to/over it. |
| 21:30.24 | fungus | opapo_: "switchblades" use the U3 technology to get the autorun to work |
| 21:30.40 | fungus | U3 separates the drive into 2 block devices |
| 21:30.55 | fungus | one that is a USB CDROM and the other mass storage |
| 21:31.53 | fungus | You will need to remove the U3 crap using the manufacturer tools (usually windows based). |
| 21:33.58 | fungus | example: http://apac.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1415 |
| 21:40.13 | jshipley | anybody here an expert on openssl? |
| 21:42.30 | jshipley | I can't figure out why a cert would check out with `openssl verify -CAfile ca.pem cert.pem` |
| 21:42.44 | opapo_ | fungus: thanks I now have the full 16G |
| 21:42.47 | jshipley | but not with `openssl s_client -connect host:port -CAfile ca.pem` |
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| 21:45.28 | sjansen | is intrigued by the Mac Mini server |
| 21:53.04 | neybar | is too |
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| 22:23.22 | harleypig | PORN! |
| 22:23.48 | harleypig | ummm ... gotta fix that random sub in my head ... |
| 22:30.57 | neybar | if you remove that sub, what else falls out? |
| 22:33.29 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc |
| 22:37.07 | bonez46 | fungus: hilarious... ! |
| 22:43.37 | harleypig | neybar: I'm not sure I want to know. |
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