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| 00:08.51 | d33d | Hey - just throwing a plug into this IRC for BetaLoft - stop by tomorrow sometime if you have any free time for Bring a Friend Fridays! - Free-Coworking all day if you bring a friend! More info @ http://betaloftslc.com/blog/ |
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| 15:09.45 | findlay | hello |
| 15:09.55 | elg | ~greet findlay |
| 15:09.56 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on findlay |
| 15:19.10 | findlay | elg: I've got something for you |
| 15:20.03 | findlay | did you ever get that console running some sweet linux tunes? |
| 15:20.20 | elg | the organ? as a matter of fact it just yesterday arrived at my very own home |
| 15:20.24 | elg | but it's still in the driveway |
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| 15:32.36 | findlay | man, fortran is a funny dialect |
| 15:38.02 | eightyeight | unum: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20091008 |
| 15:38.03 | brac | [Debian -- News -- Robotic Submarine Running Debian Wins International Competition] |
| 15:39.36 | levi | Everyone welcome our new Debian-running robotic submarine overlords! |
| 15:46.18 | unum | yeah! |
| 15:47.06 | elg | well that's peachy keen but I fail to see how it's interesting |
| 15:47.08 | JoshH | all my vehicles run netbsd |
| 15:47.29 | elg | i mean, really, what did debian do to help it win the competition? |
| 15:47.36 | elg | they might as well have reported they used steel in the hull |
| 15:48.03 | elg | debian probably just happened to be the favorite distro of whoever on the team was the linux guru |
| 15:48.08 | unum | the company who made the steel hull probably has a press release |
| 15:48.51 | elg | "97% of our fleet of overlord submarines run debian" would be an interesting thing to note in 10 years |
| 15:49.05 | elg | but hopefully they won't be our overlords... |
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| 15:57.44 | goozbach | "I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK, I sleep all night and work all day" |
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| 15:58.35 | blueMax | ...wild flowers, /really/? |
| 15:58.46 | goozbach | yeah |
| 15:58.59 | goozbach | ~lumberjack blueMax |
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| 16:09.31 | sjansen | So on the ride in this morning a co-worker and I were discussing Obama's peace pricer, birthers and Sarah Palin. |
| 16:09.32 | ^Migs^ | this is kind of trippy. An old friend in the neighborhood I grew up but moved out of when I was 10 just friended me on Facebook...now I'm looking through his friends and seeing all these kids I used to play with, like, 20 years ago |
| 16:11.48 | sjansen | Which lead me to realize perhaps the extreme shrillness we're seeing is a result of deep shame on the part of republicans. They can't reconcile their ideology with the reality of the damage their politicians did. So they're projecting their anger on the most potent symbol of their party's complete failure. |
| 16:12.42 | JoshH | sjansen, it's also their latent self loathing homosexuality |
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| 16:16.53 | findlay | ~blame sjansen |
| 16:16.53 | ibot | ACTION blames sjansen (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 16:20.23 | goozbach | ballon boy threw up on the today show |
| 16:21.32 | findlay | does anybody here know of a good fortran tutorial? |
| 16:24.29 | sjansen | findlay: Haven't you heard? You can write FORTRAN in any language. |
| 16:25.50 | findlay | ~sjantran sjansen |
| 16:27.46 | blueMax | brother in law emergency relocates taken in, suposed to be job hunting, doubt too many jobs to be found on storm8.com |
| 16:29.10 | blueMax | mutters almost time to blackhole storm8.com i will |
| 16:46.42 | Jayce^ | http://konastuff.startlogic.com/roadsign.png |
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| 17:00.08 | tristanbob | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17992-new-camera-promises-to-capture-your-whole-life.html |
| 17:00.31 | blueMax | thought ms already had one of those |
| 17:15.42 | sjansen | Anyone know the difference between /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 and @/tmp/.X11-unix/X0 ? |
| 17:17.48 | goozbach | sjansen: in "ls" output? |
| 17:18.06 | goozbach | are you using the -F switch to ls? |
| 17:18.10 | sjansen | netstat -an | grep -i LIS.*X11 |
| 17:18.32 | sjansen | ls doesn't prepend the type, it appends |
| 17:18.40 | goozbach | wait, ls -F puts the @ on the back of the item.. |
| 17:18.58 | sjansen | This is somehow related to pam_namespace. |
| 17:19.27 | sjansen | I'm trying to figure out how apps are talking to the X server even though they can't see /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 |
| 17:19.31 | goozbach | both ends of the socket? |
| 17:19.56 | goozbach | /tmp/... is the socket itself, the one with the @ is the far side... |
| 17:19.58 | goozbach | ?? |
| 17:21.13 | sjansen | The socket exists, but inside the namespace it isn't visible. (AFAICT) Somehow that @ allows the apps to work. |
| 17:21.53 | goozbach | interesting |
| 17:23.05 | eightyeight | elg: what did debian do? nothing, probably. what did the conell team do? win. with what? debian? oooh. cool. that's all. novell would say the same if it was opensuse, or canonical if it was ubuntu |
| 17:26.29 | sjansen | Go go gadget koji! |
| 17:26.52 | sjansen | They're called "abstact sockets" and they're Linux specific. Still trying to learn more. |
| 17:27.55 | thaddeusq | anybody here know a command to show me what kernel options a linux server was booted with? |
| 17:30.32 | fungus | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 17:30.56 | thaddeusq | fungus: Thanks! |
| 17:33.14 | tensai | ah no fair. I wanted to answer that one. :( |
| 17:35.23 | sjansen | So, basically, abstract sockets are a Linuxism. They're unix domain sockets, but without any filesystem integration. Free forms names instead of paths, and no permissions. |
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| 17:48.23 | elg | eightyeight: yes, and they'd all be boring |
| 17:48.36 | elg | it was interesting enough to warrant a headline the first time I saw it |
| 17:48.41 | elg | this is the 4th time |
| 17:50.37 | eightyeight | well, it wasn't for you. :) |
| 17:50.49 | elg | everything centers around me |
| 17:50.50 | elg | duh |
| 17:50.57 | eightyeight | hah |
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| 18:08.35 | eightyeight | so, who's growing their unix beard for whiskerino? |
| 18:12.14 | Zelut | my wife isn't happy about it, but I was planning on it. |
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| 18:16.14 | eightyeight | you guys are a boring group |
| 18:16.44 | eightyeight | sjansen: what about you? you joining in for whiskerino? |
| 18:17.17 | sjansen | still haven't decided if I'm man enough |
| 18:18.08 | eightyeight | hmm. i can see your prediciment. that must be a tough decision |
| 18:18.30 | goozbach | wiskerino? |
| 18:18.40 | goozbach | I might even be able to participate! |
| 18:19.23 | eightyeight | sweet! |
| 18:19.23 | harleypig | I'm not ... my beard takes too long to grow back. |
| 18:22.26 | fungus | is not man enough |
| 18:22.53 | fungus | it would take 4 months to get 5'oclock shadow |
| 18:26.58 | levi | Beards suck. We invented razors for a reason. |
| 18:27.34 | eightyeight | and it could be said god gave you facial hair for a reason |
| 18:28.20 | fungus | possibly, but he's senile. |
| 18:28.33 | levi | Someone could say that, but it wouldn't make beards suck any less. |
| 18:28.50 | fungus | and he did centuries ago anyway |
| 18:28.56 | fungus | s/did/died/ |
| 18:29.04 | eightyeight | heh |
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| 18:52.00 | harleypig | levi: woman invented razors ... the woman is trying to keep us down! |
| 18:55.57 | sjansen | ~harleypig++ |
| 18:56.47 | goozbach | harleypig: what about shaved legs? |
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| 19:00.24 | blendmaster1024 | WOBWOBWOB!!!! |
| 19:09.43 | goozbach | blendmaster1024 is a cylon!?!!!! |
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| 19:12.32 | dowdle | redbeard2: I don't know if you are around or not but I attended your Server Monitoring talk at UTOSC2009. Just curious if you'd like to check out monit and let me know what you think about it. It is a client side monitoring app that basically monitors the services you want and fixes them for you typically before an external mintoring system would notice. |
| 19:13.00 | redbeard2 | dowdle: you were trying to tell me about that when i was talking about my sitemon script, right? |
| 19:14.51 | dowdle | redbeard2: I don't recall where in your talk I mentioned it.. but yes, I mentioned it. |
| 19:14.53 | dowdle | redbeard2: Here's a nice PDF presentation that is a little dated but still very informative: http://mmonit.com/monit/documentation/monit.pdf |
| 19:15.30 | redbeard2 | dowdle: thanks man, i appreciate it |
| 19:16.28 | dowdle | redbeard2: monit can do a lot of stuff but it is still very easy to setup and use in the beginning. |
| 19:16.56 | dowdle | redbeard2: Many distros include it in their stock package repos. |
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| 19:38.29 | goozbach | not super scaliable however |
| 19:38.37 | goozbach | I'm trying to wrap my head around opennms |
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| 20:32.21 | Zelut | ssh supports the -b option, which allows you to specify the source IP on a multi-IP host. Does anyone know how to do the same thing for scp or rsync? |
| 20:34.52 | goozbach | Zelut: there is a flag for scp which does ssh opts |
| 20:34.57 | goozbach | don't recall what it is |
| 20:52.41 | Zelut | goozbach: beginning monday I need to start architecting a puppet solution. think you might be around? |
| 20:54.01 | goozbach | Zelut: I'm not a puppet guru by any means |
| 20:54.14 | goozbach | I've got a basic install working, I've got a bit more to learn |
| 20:54.54 | Zelut | goozbach: am I confusing puppet and cobbler? You presented on one of them didn't you? (I missed it, being stuck in my booth) |
| 20:58.28 | goozbach | Zelut: cobbler |
| 20:58.38 | goozbach | and I use puppet as well |
| 20:58.45 | goozbach | just not as up to speed on puppet |
| 20:59.40 | Zelut | gotcha, well I'd like to incorporate cobbler into my build setup too, so maybe I'll bug you about that :) |
| 20:59.53 | goozbach | feel free |
| 21:00.58 | Zelut | currently I have a repo for network installations, but the "dynamic" kickstart system is flat-files and php (was there before I showed up) |
| 21:01.26 | Zelut | my project is to build out puppet for deploying and managing configs, and I figure cobbler fits right into that too. |
| 21:02.04 | goozbach | cobbler is for installs |
| 21:02.09 | goozbach | puppet is for after the install |
| 21:02.15 | goozbach | is the 50k foot view |
| 21:02.17 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:02.30 | Zelut | i understand that much :) |
| 21:02.53 | Zelut | i've played with puppet briefly in my lab, and the most I ever saw of cobbler was when I was teaching in Raleigh and had the dev in my class. he did a short demo during lunch. |
| 21:03.30 | goozbach | mpdeahaan? |
| 21:03.35 | goozbach | dehaan? |
| 21:04.18 | Zelut | goozbach: yeah. cool guy. |
| 21:04.27 | goozbach | he's leaving redhat |
| 21:04.34 | goozbach | (and cobbler) |
| 21:04.37 | Zelut | ohh yeah? |
| 21:04.41 | goozbach | announced it today on the mailing list |
| 21:05.31 | Zelut | leaving on good terms I hope |
| 21:05.43 | goozbach | I take it as yes |
| 21:05.49 | goozbach | "persuing other interestest" |
| 21:06.27 | Zelut | i read that as "someone else is giving me more money" |
| 21:06.49 | goozbach | http://bit.ly/2OyVIH |
| 21:45.01 | sjansen | So I'm reading the source for sudo. Among it's available insults: "stty: unknown mode: doofus" |
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| 21:46.47 | Zelut | insults are great |
| 21:47.06 | Zelut | I always wanted to demo that in class, but it wasn't compiled into the RHEL package. :( |
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