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| 00:13.58 | sanchiro | is it possible to run an application that resides in an .iso file? it's a dual layer .iso for DVD and I don't have my burner yet, but kids are wanting to play these games.. |
| 00:15.17 | Sargun_screen | PC games? |
| 00:15.23 | Sargun_screen | are you pirating it? |
| 00:15.35 | Sargun_screen | Why don't you take a seat right here? |
| 00:15.43 | blendmaster1024 | laughs |
| 00:16.21 | sanchiro | yeah, pc games.. not pirating... damnit.. it's from www.supergamer.org.. it's a purely linux native coded game dvd.. |
| 00:16.21 | blendmaster1024 | sanchiro, either you were smart and backed up your games... |
| 00:16.28 | blendmaster1024 | ... oh |
| 00:16.33 | sanchiro | why just assume it's pirate crap.. |
| 00:16.46 | blendmaster1024 | so, this is for linux? |
| 00:16.48 | sanchiro | nmo, this is a collection of linux games.. |
| 00:17.01 | sanchiro | http://www.supergamer.org/ |
| 00:17.02 | blendmaster1024 | anyway, you can mount it as loopback |
| 00:17.05 | sanchiro | check if you don't believe me |
| 00:17.11 | sanchiro | loopback? how? |
| 00:17.17 | blendmaster1024 | well, get root |
| 00:17.37 | sanchiro | sudo -i/ right? |
| 00:17.44 | blendmaster1024 | pick an empty folder in /media (or use /mnt) and whatever you choose... |
| 00:17.47 | sanchiro | er.. sudo -i to become root.. |
| 00:18.02 | blendmaster1024 | whatever. i don't care how you get root ( :) |
| 00:18.04 | sanchiro | so just mount it as root? mount the .iso? |
| 00:18.13 | blendmaster1024 | but then the command to mount a file as loopback is: |
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| 00:18.44 | blendmaster1024 | mount -o loop </path/to/file.iso> </media/mount.point> |
| 00:18.54 | blendmaster1024 | the key is the -o loop |
| 00:19.08 | sanchiro | ok |
| 00:19.46 | blendmaster1024 | without it... (generating error) |
| 00:20.29 | sanchiro | what about permissions.. do I always have to be root to access or how can I be just user to access those? |
| 00:20.34 | blendmaster1024 | mount: /media/sdb1/img/debian-502-i386-CD-10.iso is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) |
| 00:20.50 | blendmaster1024 | i don't know, i think that it will be mounted like a cd would be |
| 00:20.51 | Sargun_screen | I know some people that would like to talk to you.... |
| 00:21.02 | blendmaster1024 | Sargun_screen, negative or positive? |
| 00:21.04 | sanchiro | to whom? |
| 00:21.09 | blendmaster1024 | yeah? |
| 00:21.16 | sanchiro | with whom? |
| 00:22.11 | Sargun_screen | Sorry, excuse my high latency |
| 00:22.26 | Sargun_screen | blendmaster1024: how did you learn GNU/Linux? |
| 00:22.51 | blendmaster1024 | uh... someone gave me a knoppix cd ... uh ... 6 years ago |
| 00:23.09 | blendmaster1024 | and since then, i've read every linux book i could get my hands on |
| 00:23.13 | blendmaster1024 | mainly from the library |
| 00:23.55 | blendmaster1024 | plus programming of all kinds (c++, perl, javascript, html, the list goes on...) |
| 00:24.04 | blendmaster1024 | and blender |
| 00:25.04 | blendmaster1024 | Sargun_screen, why did you want to know? |
| 00:25.10 | Sargun_screen | Just curious |
| 00:25.21 | Sargun_screen | Are your parents in the computer sector? |
| 00:25.26 | blendmaster1024 | no |
| 00:25.47 | Sargun_screen | wishes he could blend |
| 00:25.53 | Sargun_screen | Not quite patient enough. |
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| 00:25.56 | blendmaster1024 | :) |
| 00:27.28 | Sargun_screen | Additionally, I am 4 years older than you |
| 00:27.37 | Sargun_screen | Probably the second youngest active user here. |
| 00:27.50 | Sargun_screen | So, go away, and I'll be the youngest again. |
| 00:28.18 | Sargun_screen | Alright, gotta go |
| 00:28.24 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 00:28.28 | Sargun_screen | Commute leg number 3 (for the evening) |
| 00:28.41 | Sargun_screen | (out of 4, so not that bad) |
| 00:28.44 | blendmaster1024 | Sargun_screen, naw, i like my spot |
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| 16:47.57 | unum | shouldn't [^\.] match any string that doesn't have a period |
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| 18:35.24 | RyanE | bmidgley: what presentation did you decide on this hour? |
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| 18:40.21 | findlay | comcast sux0rz |
| 18:41.15 | tvc123 | findlay: but are they any worse than the alternatives? |
| 18:43.12 | findlay | tvc123: they unilaterally block certain kinds of traffic, they don't provide real IP's, they implement an autocratic throttling scheme, advertize unlimited usage and then penalize users who "are using too much", etc. |
| 18:44.31 | findlay | they block traffic that competes with their own bundled "services", like voip |
| 18:45.05 | findlay | sure, as a business they can do that, but as an ISP that's totally unethical |
| 18:45.29 | findlay | monopolistic, and stupid |
| 18:46.07 | findlay | busineses will only resort to angering their users when their users have no alternative |
| 18:46.10 | tvc123 | didn't realize they were rate limiting VIOP that blows |
| 18:46.28 | findlay | not rate limiting, but totally blocking sip traffic |
| 18:46.40 | tvc123 | WTF |
| 18:46.54 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:50.09 | findlay | well, it may not actually be comcast, that's doing that since we get wireless from our neighbors |
| 18:50.50 | tvc123 | lol |
| 18:50.59 | findlay | but I'm skeptical they'd deliberately block certain kinds of traffic, I guess I'll have to ask them |
| 18:51.30 | tvc123 | their router may be blocking it without them even realizing it |
| 18:51.37 | jsmith | SIP has a hard enough time with NAT firewalls, let alone getting mangled/blocked/limited on purpose |
| 18:52.17 | findlay | well, there are many joys of living within the prison of a double NAT |
| 18:52.38 | tvc123 | yeah I can see how a double nat would kill sip |
| 18:53.10 | findlay | like, maybe they're only forwarding selected traffic through to the second NAT |
| 18:53.34 | findlay | the solution of course is to try to disguise everything as web traffic :) |
| 18:53.56 | mulicheng | Every time someone starts talking about ISPs, VOIP etc, I keep thinking to myself that I'd like to spend less money than we do. |
| 18:54.12 | findlay | knows why the caged bird sings |
| 18:54.24 | tvc123 | findlay: or pay for your own connection and static ip ;) |
| 18:54.32 | mulicheng | I'm at $150 for TV, Internet, Cell and Home phone. |
| 18:54.49 | mulicheng | Wonder if that can be beat now adays. |
| 18:55.03 | findlay | tvc123: that'd be more than we can afford unfortunately |
| 18:55.23 | findlay | mulicheng: utopia? |
| 18:55.41 | tvc123 | mulicheng: I think I pay $40 each for TV and net $25 for Cell and no home phone |
| 18:55.50 | mulicheng | No, RapidWave for internet, comcast for basic only TV, and T-Mobile for Two cell phones and home phone. |
| 18:56.16 | goozbach | tvc123: whacha doin? |
| 18:56.42 | tvc123 | goozbach: kicking it in Logan ... but I would rather be in SLC |
| 18:57.05 | findlay | that burgeoning metropolis up north |
| 18:57.07 | tvc123 | goozbach: you? or were you refering to which services I am using |
| 18:57.20 | goozbach | tvc123: where you are |
| 18:57.25 | goozbach | why are you not at utosc? |
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| 19:07.38 | tvc123 | goozbach: in logan working today |
| 19:08.22 | tvc123 | goozbach: I couldn't justify the conference with the things I am currently working on to my boss :( |
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| 19:10.01 | Lars-UT | tvc123: me neither - so I took 16 hours pto & didn't tell him where I was going |
| 19:10.55 | tvc123 | didn't have the time off to kill or I would have considered it |
| 19:12.35 | Lars-UT | goozbach: lemme know if Heartsbane or peno need anything, I'm listening to Richard Esplin present now |
| 19:12.45 | Lars-UT | goozbach: you have a radio? |
| 19:12.49 | goozbach | Lars-UT: nope |
| 19:12.54 | goozbach | I'm in the try it lab |
| 19:13.21 | Lars-UT | goozbach: well lemme know if you hear anyone lookin' for me, k? |
| 19:13.27 | goozbach | ok |
| 19:13.36 | findlay | ~try goozbach |
| 19:14.00 | peno | Lars-UT: I'm good for now, just listening to eggyknap now. |
| 19:14.13 | Lars-UT | peno: groovy |
| 19:15.05 | peno | after this though, I'm bouncing to get something to eat. |
| 19:15.16 | peno | good thing my dad bought me breakfast. |
| 19:23.01 | Lars-UT | peno: we ought to buy a box of protein bars from Costco - it's pretty close by. |
| 19:23.42 | Lars-UT | peno: to have a snack handy for staff |
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| 19:34.42 | RyanE | Lars-UT: Was Esplin's presentation interesting? |
| 19:37.41 | Lars-UT | RyanE: yes! |
| 19:38.35 | Lars-UT | RyanE: HE's talking about forming technology cooperatives that cater to cheap, fast development, leveraging existing FLOSS |
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| 19:51.22 | RyanE | Lars-UT: Picked the wrong one... |
| 19:51.31 | RyanE | "I got a rock" |
| 19:54.17 | goozbach | I saw a squirrel! |
| 19:54.25 | goozbach | ~emulate gir |
| 19:54.26 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
| 19:58.43 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Ask me after I watch the tape. :) |
| 20:09.04 | Lars-UT | another cable made, I keep screwing these up |
| 20:09.25 | Lars-UT | thinks he's actually getting better though... |
| 20:11.45 | goozbach | Lars-UT-away: orangewhite, orange, greenwhite, blue, bluewhite, blue, brownwhite, brown. :) |
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| 20:16.47 | TehLaser | "forming technology cooperatives that cater to cheap, fast development, leveraging existing FLOSS |
| 20:16.56 | TehLaser | sounds fun and only mildly icky/ |
| 20:18.26 | RyanE | I was actually saying *I* picked the wrong one... |
| 20:18.33 | RyanE | duh. |
| 20:18.43 | RyanE | This one is better, though. |
| 20:20.00 | fozzmoo | So, my OSS business would have done better if I understood "business" better. |
| 20:20.05 | fozzmoo | Makes sense. |
| 20:20.14 | fozzmoo | I discovered running my own business that I'm not very businessy. |
| 20:20.49 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I fell the same exact way |
| 20:21.00 | tvc123 | fozzmoo: thats a good thing to know ... I know plenty of people that haven't figured that out yet |
| 20:22.12 | fozzmoo | There are two chicks in here! |
| 20:22.23 | fozzmoo | WAIT! THREE! |
| 20:22.33 | fozzmoo | FOUR! |
| 20:22.38 | Zelut | fozzmoo: no way |
| 20:22.43 | fozzmoo | What is going on here?! |
| 20:22.45 | Zelut | fozzmoo: pictruse or it didn't happen |
| 20:22.54 | Zelut | s/pictruse/pictures/ |
| 20:23.09 | fozzmoo | "Excuse me, Zelut wants proof you were here." |
| 20:23.34 | tvc123 | lol |
| 20:24.24 | RyanE | fozzmoo: it might work... |
| 20:24.59 | RyanE | I've even seen one here I *know*! (Velda from UPHPU group used to be a neighbor, and is here). |
| 20:25.43 | fozzmoo | This guy's praising suse studio. |
| 20:25.50 | fozzmoo | That's great and all... but it's still suse. ;-) |
| 20:25.55 | goozbach | suse studio is pretty cool |
| 20:25.59 | JoshH | jeez |
| 20:26.04 | goozbach | we need a fedorastudio |
| 20:26.12 | fozzmoo | But... the idea of yast scares me from looking at it. |
| 20:26.13 | JoshH | i don't get why anyone thinks it's ok to use anything but the 2 true distros |
| 20:26.26 | JoshH | technically the one true one, but the other is acceptable |
| 20:26.29 | goozbach | JoshH: fedora dn centos? |
| 20:26.30 | elg | studio as in audio/visual? |
| 20:26.35 | goozbach | er and |
| 20:26.37 | JoshH | debian and ubuntu |
| 20:26.39 | JoshH | jk, debian and rh |
| 20:26.39 | elg | what about ccrma? |
| 20:26.42 | elg | that's rpm-based |
| 20:26.46 | goozbach | elg: susesudio.com |
| 20:26.51 | elg | it's the granddaddy of audio distros |
| 20:26.54 | JoshH | (and ubuntu and fedora) |
| 20:27.00 | RyanE | elg: No, it's away to magically create a distro. Tell it what you want, what you call it, and *poof*, new Distro! |
| 20:27.01 | goozbach | it's a web serivce which generated a livecd or install cd |
| 20:27.13 | RyanE | I suppose LiveCD is more accurate than Distro. |
| 20:27.20 | RyanE | but it doesn't sound as much fun. |
| 20:27.32 | fozzmoo | suse studio looks a lot like the thing Fedora has... where you can spin your own version... I can't remember what it's called. |
| 20:27.38 | elg | ah ok |
| 20:27.43 | fozzmoo | Maybe Fedora's isn't as slick as suse's. |
| 20:28.04 | RyanE | Suse's looked cool at the PLUG meeting, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why it'd be useful to *ME*. |
| 20:28.13 | JoshH | suse is garbage, period |
| 20:28.16 | RyanE | and yes, everything has to do with *me*. |
| 20:28.16 | fozzmoo | I don't think this guy's ever administered Tomcat. He might not be so jolly about it. :) |
| 20:29.18 | fozzmoo | RyanE: You've given me a new lens to look at things through. |
| 20:29.24 | fozzmoo | Will it be useful to RyanE? |
| 20:29.52 | RyanE | yep. Strangely, very few things are useful to me, since I'm a Curmudgeon. :) |
| 20:29.58 | fozzmoo | "Is anyone familiar with Facebook?" |
| 20:30.06 | RyanE | Fadbook. |
| 20:30.10 | goozbach | fozzmoo: what's this frendface thing? |
| 20:30.18 | fozzmoo | Facesplat. |
| 20:30.24 | JoshH | i've "administered" tomcat in the past, and now i would never choose to do so |
| 20:30.35 | RyanE | I'm in the BuddyPress presentation by Jake Spurlock. It's interesting. |
| 20:31.11 | tvc123 | we hacked on that for a while (BuddyPress) but eventually gave up and rolled our own in less time |
| 20:31.16 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 20:31.19 | RyanE | one of our business partners required Tomcat as their web interface to their data. Poor admin had to do it. |
| 20:31.21 | JoshH | the only good thing called tomcat is the f-14 |
| 20:31.32 | fozzmoo | JoshH: heh. |
| 20:31.56 | RyanE | JoshH: agreed. And the only good thing named Java is something I don't even drink. |
| 20:31.58 | fozzmoo | I also fail to see the advantage of using Alfresco, but then I'm a CLI guy. |
| 20:32.10 | JoshH | well the island of java is pretty cool |
| 20:32.12 | fozzmoo | I see it as a tool that slows down everything. |
| 20:32.17 | RyanE | JoshH: s'pose so |
| 20:34.34 | tvc123 | I have looked at alfresco to replace the mess of our shared drive .... I still not convinced it wouldn't be its own mess |
| 20:35.12 | fozzmoo | When I worked at KnowledgeBlue, the boss wanted to move the Samba server to the colocation center and use Alfresco in front of it. |
| 20:35.45 | tvc123 | umm yeah so how did that work out? |
| 20:35.46 | fozzmoo | Fortunately, I kept that idea from ever happening. |
| 20:36.18 | tvc123 | I think its a great idea ... but the implimentation is complex enough I don't know that its worth doing |
| 20:36.57 | fozzmoo | Sounds great... until you're the one downloading a 200MB Excel file over a DSL line instead of just grabbing from a mapped drive on a server on the LAN. |
| 20:37.30 | JoshH | jeez, what an idiot |
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| 21:01.10 | RyanE | herlo: Did Art Pollard register for UTOSC? (who'mi kidding, herlo is not watching IRC...)... |
| 21:04.19 | fozzmoo | riiight |
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| 21:15.53 | peno | Lars-UT: that might not be a bad idea |
| 21:24.37 | fozzmoo | I just learned this text editor for Windows called ScITE sucks. :) |
| 21:26.00 | Lars-UT | fozzmoo: Notepad++ is also based on Scintilla, and me likes it much better for Windows use. |
| 21:26.57 | tvc123 | I use notepad++ |
| 21:27.02 | tvc123 | it rocks |
| 21:27.02 | goozbach | use cream |
| 21:27.38 | fozzmoo | gvim FTW |
| 21:27.38 | tvc123 | interesting hadn't seen that one before goozbach I'll try it out |
| 21:28.24 | fozzmoo | Oh. cream is vim. |
| 21:28.37 | tvc123 | vim FTW |
| 21:28.37 | fozzmoo | How is it better/different than gvim for Winbloze? |
| 21:28.50 | elg | cream is vim without the awesomeness |
| 21:28.57 | elg | although it does have more awesomeness than notepad |
| 21:29.20 | fozzmoo | Ahh. So I should just stick with vim since I don't ever use my arrow keys anymore. :) |
| 21:29.35 | goozbach | fozzmoo: it's vim for people who can't get their heads around modal editing |
| 21:30.05 | RyanE | fozzmoo: funny. |
| 21:30.14 | tvc123 | hrm maybe I should just stick with gvim |
| 21:30.20 | RyanE | vim in cygwin not good enough for him, eh? |
| 21:31.05 | elg | cygwin bless its heart makes me nauseous |
| 21:31.23 | elg | if you get a better terminal than yonder dos box it isn't too bad |
| 21:31.28 | tvc123 | I don't install cygwin any more .. I do run a linux VM all of the time |
| 21:31.31 | RyanE | I'm not much of a shell wizard, but cygwin does help. |
| 21:31.34 | elg | but i can't imagine editing in a dos box |
| 21:31.44 | RyanE | if you must use Windows (i.e. work) |
| 21:31.57 | elg | yeah these days I'd probably just go for a VM |
| 21:32.05 | elg | but cygwin used to be my lifeline |
| 21:32.25 | RyanE | yeah, but the VM doesn't let you grep your Windows files, unless you mount the host's drive or share. |
| 21:32.33 | levi | Or CoLinux. |
| 21:32.34 | RyanE | I use it to grep company source. |
| 21:32.36 | elg | easily done |
| 21:32.48 | elg | (mounting) |
| 21:33.12 | elg | is having a productivity hangover day |
| 21:33.27 | levi | I tried to get a better DOS terminal for cygwin, but ended up busting my cygwin install, so I just installed CoLinux. |
| 21:33.39 | tvc123 | decides cream is not for him ... not having command mode in a vim instance drives me crazy |
| 21:33.57 | goozbach | tvc123: it's a notpad replacemnet |
| 21:34.02 | goozbach | vim for windows is for you |
| 21:34.06 | levi | Windows Emacs FTW. :) |
| 21:34.12 | RyanE | ewww |
| 21:34.12 | goozbach | bah |
| 21:34.22 | elg | levi: colinux looks interesting. if I should ever need it (heaven forbid) I'll take a look |
| 21:34.24 | fozzmoo | what they said. |
| 21:35.00 | levi | Windows Emacs has had pretty fonts for far longer than Linux Emacs has, strangely enough. |
| 21:35.16 | elg | not strange at all considering the mess that is linux fonts |
| 21:35.50 | levi | Well, X fonts. |
| 21:36.24 | RyanE | elg: I think it's been a *series* of messes, not a single mess. (Linux fonts) |
| 21:36.35 | elg | it's kinda hierarchical |
| 21:36.38 | elg | like XML |
| 21:38.24 | fozzmoo | Another "ewwww" :) |
| 21:39.01 | levi | So many things in Linux (mostly related to desktop usage) are a perpetual mess. |
| 21:39.25 | levi | The kernel is chaotic, but it's a much more focused chaos. |
| 21:45.22 | unum | I want to match every with out a period [^\.] |
| 21:45.24 | unum | doesn't work |
| 21:48.27 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@asterisk/training-and-documentation-guru/jsmith) |
| 21:48.47 | tvc123 | RUN |
| 21:48.48 | stderr | unum: .*[^\.]$ ? |
| 21:49.52 | unum | stderr: I'm not only looking for it at the end |
| 21:50.02 | unum | infact I expect it in the middle |
| 21:50.12 | unum | I tried .*[^\.].* |
| 21:50.16 | stderr | explain what you want to match, exactly? |
| 21:50.18 | unum | that didn't seem to work |
| 21:50.27 | unum | it's for foxy proxy |
| 21:51.00 | unum | if I type in a url with out a period I want it to match |
| 21:51.07 | unum | so google.com shouldn't match |
| 21:51.08 | unum | vp |
| 21:51.09 | unum | should |
| 21:51.59 | unum | which of course makes perfect sense why .*[^\.].* woludn't match now I think about it.... |
| 21:52.00 | stderr | ... |
| 21:52.13 | stderr | you mean everything before the TLD shouldn't contain a period? |
| 21:52.31 | unum | no. the thing is when I'm going to an internal host I'm lazy |
| 21:52.58 | unum | the dns server will search the subdomain first for the host name I type |
| 21:53.14 | unum | so I only type the host name and it points me to the right server |
| 21:53.28 | unum | of course I can type the host name and arrow down and get the same results..... |
| 21:54.16 | JoshH | can't you just add a search domain? |
| 21:55.06 | unum | JoshH: how would that solve anything? |
| 21:55.40 | JoshH | oh, you mean you just want internal hosts to automatically go through your proxy |
| 21:58.58 | unum | actually it's the other way around |
| 21:58.59 | unum | but ya |
| 21:59.19 | unum | I need the internal host to to be "blacklist" by the proxy |
| 21:59.26 | unum | then it will fall over to the default |
| 22:29.50 | unum | http://bash.org/?897655 |
| 22:30.18 | brac | [QDB: Quote #897655] |
| 22:32.30 | unum | actually I think I read that one a while back |
| 22:32.37 | unum | and just forgot it |
| 22:32.44 | unum | probably even shared it with everyone.... |
| 22:41.27 | *** join/#utah blendmaster1024 (i=90231d1e@gateway/web/freenode/x-qgunowhjexttuagl) |
| 22:42.15 | blendmaster1024 | hey, who of you guys are at utosc? |
| 22:42.15 | blendmaster1024 | is |
| 22:43.00 | unum | is not |
| 22:43.07 | unum | no one else is here because they are all there |
| 22:44.19 | blendmaster1024 | no true... herlo is here... fozzmoo is here, i think... Heartsbane is... but who else? |
| 22:44.52 | goozbach | peno, goozbach and a whole bunch of others |
| 22:56.59 | RyanE | is |
| 23:06.15 | blendmaster1024 | dang, i hope smcquay comes back fairly soon - harleypig is praising python ;) |
| 23:06.23 | blendmaster1024 | uhm, i men he's prising perl |
| 23:07.34 | harleypig | it's rather well known I like perl ... I started the perl mongres group 10 years ago :> |