| 00:00.33 | sjansen | elg: Pure C JSON is a PITA. |
| 00:00.46 | sjansen | Are you binding to a higher level language? |
| 00:00.51 | elg | nope |
| 00:01.16 | elg | it's as PITA as any complex data structure in C, doesn't need to be more PITA than that. |
| 00:02.48 | elg | my implementation will grab some hash table code from the net and use linked lists for the arrays, and use the peg parser generator to do most of the parsing heavy lifting. so it'll look more like frankenstein but it'll be fun |
| 00:03.28 | sjansen | Most of the time the type of data structure can be assumed ahead of time in C. The dynamic nature of JSON is what makes it a larger PITA than normal. |
| 00:04.00 | elg | well, yeah it's a bit of a pain to use the data because of the whole type thing |
| 00:04.18 | elg | struct { int type; union { ... } } |
| 00:05.30 | elg | throw in a few helper funcitons... but yeah it's not nearly as nice as a better language |
| 00:06.02 | elg | I've been toying with the idea of throwing out the idea to use D instead of C. not sure if I'm that brave, or how much of the code for this project has already been written (the author is going to send me a copy Real Soon Now) |
| 00:06.59 | elg | you'll be happy to know I'm pretty sure C++ would get laughed out of the room |
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| 04:43.38 | eightyei1ht | http://jacobian.org/writing/python-is-unix/ |
| 04:45.42 | badon | reading |
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| 14:42.44 | mulicheng | ~say Mornin |
| 14:42.44 | ibot | Mornin |
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| 14:56.08 | mecworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.36 | mecworks | I need to know my time commitments so I can work around them. Things are really tight right now. |
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| 15:39.06 | elg | xkcd alt text ++ |
| 15:39.48 | tensai | mecworks: I'd recommend asking in #utos |
| 15:40.07 | tensai | herlo is swamped but there are others alive in there |
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| 16:04.04 | TehLaser | has fond memories of Oregon Trail on the Apple IIe |
| 16:04.32 | JoshH | anyone who doesn't have fond memories of oregon trail had a horrible childhood |
| 16:04.50 | jsmith | JoshH: Amen, brother! |
| 16:05.10 | elg | or maybe had dysentry |
| 16:06.24 | Zelut | +1 |
| 16:08.37 | elg | i wonder if there have been any studies about whether oregon trail has a different impact/connotation/meaning to kids in oregon, back east, in the middle, or way off the trail (e.g. the south) |
| 16:08.42 | elg | or who had dysentry |
| 16:08.51 | elg | i volunteer sjansen |
| 16:09.27 | Zelut | i grew up in oregon and that's where i played oregon trail.. |
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| 16:09.43 | maquis | wonders why it is that the games of yesteryear were so much cooler than a lot of games today |
| 16:09.48 | mulicheng | wants to go hunt now. |
| 16:10.08 | JoshH | oregon is a pretty fantastic state |
| 16:10.10 | mulicheng | so he can feed his wife and children. |
| 16:10.13 | jsmith | grew up next to the (Lander Cut-off of the) Oregon Trail, so it had a strong pull |
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| 16:10.28 | TehLaser | maquis: nostalgia. |
| 16:10.31 | maquis | i'd love to get a IIci again, and play hours upon hours of discover the world |
| 16:11.40 | maquis | at some point, i got Mac OS 6.1 up on a freebsd laptop because i wanted to play dark castle... but the cpu conversion was wrong and everything was moving *way* too fast in the emulator |
| 16:12.49 | maquis | as for oregon trail, i remember playing it at school, but never had it at home, unfortunately |
| 16:14.02 | JoshH | zsnes and the logitech gamepads that are ripoffs of the ps2/ps3 controllers is a good combo |
| 16:15.04 | Sargun | needs to not look shady hanging out at college hang out spots, but not actually going to the college. |
| 16:15.07 | Sargun | and not lying. |
| 16:15.09 | Sargun | meh. |
| 16:17.21 | maquis | chuckles slightly at the new revelations regarding Ahmadinejad's past... |
| 16:17.34 | JoshH | ? |
| 16:17.40 | elg | read this headline in his newsreader http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8295065.stm |
| 16:17.41 | brac | [BBC SPORT | Football | Internationals | Maradona may quit Argentina post] |
| 16:17.45 | jsmith | maquis: Yeah, I heard that on the radio, but have a hard time believing it |
| 16:17.50 | elg | and thought it said "madonna may quit argentina post" |
| 16:17.52 | maquis | makes most of his comments about the Jews fall under the category of "methinks thou dost protest too much" |
| 16:17.56 | elg | as in don't cry for me argentina |
| 16:18.30 | maquis | jsmith: it seems to explain his actions toward Israel and the Jews pretty well as overcompensation |
| 16:18.34 | JoshH | maquis, what are you talking about |
| 16:18.43 | maquis | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6256173/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-revealed-to-have-Jewish-past.html |
| 16:20.06 | stderr | maquis: that's ridiculous. |
| 16:20.22 | stderr | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/05/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-jewish-family |
| 16:21.46 | JoshH | has he actually complained about "jews", or just israel? |
| 16:22.00 | goozbach | jsmith: I concur (about the zsnes) |
| 16:22.08 | goozbach | oops JoshH I concur |
| 16:22.09 | maquis | JoshH: he's claimed that the holocaust is a fictional occurance that was invented by the Jews |
| 16:22.21 | JoshH | ah, right |
| 16:22.38 | elg | sometimes I daydream that that's just a story from the onion |
| 16:22.48 | elg | where it belongs |
| 16:23.02 | elg | (holocast denial) |
| 16:23.10 | jsmith | elg: Are you sure the Onion isn't just a fictional occurance, invented by Ahmadinejad? |
| 16:23.14 | jsmith | ducks |
| 16:23.38 | maquis | elg: i thought it was the first time i heard it... then i wished it was an april fools news story |
| 16:23.38 | elg | no way. the onion is way to awesome to have been invented by Ahmadinejad |
| 16:23.46 | stderr | well, the Holocaust denial thing is a little overblown. |
| 16:23.47 | maquis | then i gave up and realized that there are insane people in the world |
| 16:23.59 | stderr | His Holocaust denial statements turned out to be an intentionally aggressive translation. |
| 16:24.18 | elg | i'm thinking in general, not ahmadinejad specifically |
| 16:24.28 | Zelut | jsmith: is that more of that circular logic, often seen on wikipedia? a -> b -> a |
| 16:24.30 | stderr | What he was saying was that giving the Jews a country _because_ of the Holocaust wasn't right. |
| 16:24.41 | mulicheng | The Onion, is one of the only fair and unbiased news agencies left. |
| 16:24.50 | JoshH | i know that iran does have a fair number of jews living in it. my understanding is that most of the middle eastern hate for "jews" is specifically against israel |
| 16:24.58 | JoshH | with obvious exceptions like al quaeda, the taliban, etc |
| 16:25.05 | stderr | JoshH: mostly, yes. |
| 16:25.06 | goozbach | zsnes with the PS3 controllers is AWESOME! |
| 16:25.31 | elg | uses logitech usb controllers |
| 16:25.40 | JoshH | me too elg |
| 16:25.54 | stderr | I need to install an SNES emulator on my PS3 |
| 16:25.58 | elg | was sorely disappointed when he brought home the second controller and tried to race 2 player in micro machines |
| 16:26.05 | elg | stupid game puts two people per controller |
| 16:26.22 | JoshH | i mostly play the super mario allstars version of smb3 |
| 16:26.35 | JoshH | and zelda a link to the past |
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| 16:26.59 | JoshH | contra3 and super metroid are good too |
| 16:27.07 | elg | anyone know a good pac-man rom for snes? |
| 16:27.15 | elg | or maybe digdug |
| 16:27.20 | JoshH | there is a pacman game for it |
| 16:27.27 | elg | something my 5-yo can manage |
| 16:27.32 | elg | i haven't been able to find it |
| 16:27.51 | JoshH | there is a rar with every snes game in it you can download from all the normal places |
| 16:30.36 | elg | i haven't come across it, but I have found sites that have most roms, e.g. coolrom |
| 16:30.44 | elg | but none of them seem to have this hypothetical pac-man game |
| 16:30.57 | JoshH | lemme look for it |
| 16:31.10 | sjansen | Maradona is no Pele. |
| 16:32.06 | JoshH | i've got Ms. Pac-Man, Pac Attack, Pac in Time, Pac-Man 1, and Pac Man 2 - The New Adventures |
| 16:34.42 | stderr | MAME might be better for Pac-Man/Dig Dug |
| 16:36.18 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.33 | JoshH | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3910913/SNES_ROMS |
| 16:36.34 | brac | [SNES ROMS (download torrent) - TPB] |
| 16:38.04 | elg | cool, i'll give that torrent a try tonight |
| 16:49.54 | Zelut | I'm trying to run virt-install --all-my-install-options over ssh but I'm getting errors regarding exporting/sharing the display over the connection. Any tips? |
| 16:50.37 | goozbach | Zelut: see if xeyes works |
| 16:50.49 | goozbach | that way you know if the $DISPLAY is setup properly |
| 16:51.32 | sjansen | Do you mean that you're using SSH as the libvirt transport, or that you're SSH'd into a remote machine and running virt-install there? |
| 16:52.59 | Zelut | sjansen: I'm ssh'd into the dom0 running virt-install there. |
| 16:53.25 | Zelut | goozbach: xeyes works.. |
| 16:53.29 | sjansen | Okay, then follow goozbach's advice, but use xlogo instead of xeyes. |
| 16:53.43 | Zelut | sjansen: xlogo also works. |
| 16:54.13 | sjansen | I merely recommended xlogo because some releases don't include xeyes. |
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| 16:54.51 | Zelut | perhaps I'm not including the correct option for the display in my virt-install command? |
| 16:54.56 | sjansen | Do you have the exact error text? |
| 17:09.58 | harleypi1 | I've got some wave invites if anyone wants any |
| 17:10.49 | mulicheng | can't really work without xeyes installed. |
| 17:20.44 | tensai | what would cause unexplained segfaults? |
| 17:21.01 | tensai | repeatable too. some commands always segfault. others always work. |
| 17:21.07 | mulicheng | unexplained NULL pointer dereferences. |
| 17:21.21 | tensai | for example, "ps ax" works fine. "ps aux" segfaults. |
| 17:22.05 | mulicheng | if it is repeatable, then gdb is your friend |
| 17:23.29 | Sargun | strace |
| 17:23.39 | Sargun | Tene, bad memory |
| 17:23.47 | Sargun | broken libc. |
| 17:23.52 | Sargun | corrupted $something |
| 17:24.05 | Sargun | goblins |
| 17:24.09 | tensai | strace isn't helping. gdb isn't either because all the binaries are stripped. |
| 17:24.12 | Sargun | bad processors. |
| 17:24.22 | Sargun | tensai, what distro |
| 17:24.26 | tensai | debian |
| 17:24.50 | tensai | etch, to be specific |
| 17:24.55 | Sargun | did you memory check? |
| 17:25.10 | tensai | I did a user space memory check and it passed |
| 17:25.13 | tensai | haven't rebooted it yet |
| 17:25.26 | tensai | can't do an fs check either until I reboot |
| 17:26.05 | Sargun | reboot. |
| 17:26.08 | Sargun | it wont boot up |
| 17:26.11 | jsmith | memtest86+ |
| 17:26.26 | jsmith | (via PXE boot, of course!) |
| 17:26.42 | Tene | ^5 tensai about tab-complete. |
| 17:27.58 | tensai | doesn't want to deal with this today |
| 17:28.59 | tensai | reinstalled procps and now ps works just fine |
| 17:29.19 | JoshH | did it get replaced? |
| 17:30.07 | jsmith | Bad prefetch? |
| 17:30.09 | jsmith | blinks |
| 17:30.31 | harleypig | http://www.myextralife.com/ |
| 17:30.44 | mulicheng | heh, Scott is an old co-worker of mine. |
| 17:30.55 | Jayce^ | he's got some fun comics |
| 17:30.59 | tensai | trojaned process? |
| 17:32.44 | Sargun | tensai, possibly. |
| 17:33.01 | Sargun | harleypig, why not |
| 17:33.04 | tensai | looks like libapache2-mod-php5 is also hosed |
| 17:33.15 | Sargun | tensai, nuke the box from orbit. |
| 17:33.24 | harleypig | Sargun: ? |
| 17:33.51 | Sargun | <harleypi1> I've got some wave invites if anyone wants any |
| 17:34.03 | harleypig | oh, which email do you want me to use? |
| 17:34.12 | tensai | so I reinstalled apache2. this time I kept a copy of the old daemon. sure enough, the md5sums are different. |
| 17:34.18 | tensai | I've kept up with all my security patches |
| 17:34.43 | Sargun | harleypig, sargun@sargun.me |
| 17:34.59 | harleypig | done |
| 17:35.05 | Sargun | harleypig, thanks. |
| 17:35.08 | harleypig | yw |
| 17:35.29 | Sargun | tensai, a password like "password" is easily penetrated even with the toughest security patches |
| 17:35.40 | Sargun | tensai, what was the password that you were using? |
| 17:37.00 | levi | tries to cancel some stupid CD subscription his wife signed up for, and just gets answering machines. |
| 17:39.22 | mulicheng | just block them on your CC account. |
| 17:39.30 | goozbach | tensai: yeah sounds suspiious |
| 17:39.32 | goozbach | rebuild |
| 17:39.36 | mulicheng | and return anything they send you without opening it. |
| 17:39.37 | goozbach | installl tripwire |
| 17:39.46 | mulicheng | Return to sender doesn't cost anything. |
| 17:39.55 | mulicheng | you just put it back to the PO |
| 17:40.31 | JoshH | i had to do that with one of those book things that my wife "meant to cancel" and forgot about |
| 17:40.48 | JoshH | after you send it back like 3 times without opening, they should stop |
| 17:40.50 | harleypig | http://pictureisunrelated.com/2009/10/06/run-he-has-a-pimp-cane/ |
| 17:40.53 | mulicheng | If I buy anything online, I love discover cards one-time cc numbers. |
| 17:40.59 | harleypig | My new facebook profile pic |
| 17:42.11 | elg | doctor who ++ |
| 17:44.21 | harleypig | Is that a Doc Who pic? |
| 17:45.05 | elg | yeah |
| 17:45.11 | harleypig | still a cool pic |
| 17:45.14 | elg | ya |
| 17:46.06 | harleypig | http://www.visualiseringscenter.se/1/1.0.1.0/230/1/ Virtual Autopsy table ... very cool |
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| 17:49.52 | elg | aww. I was hoping *I* could perform a virtual autopsy |
| 17:50.37 | tensai | I did a diff on the output of strings on apache2, before and after reinstall |
| 17:50.40 | tensai | kinda weird |
| 17:50.42 | tensai | http://pastebin.com/m4a9a3de7 |
| 17:50.52 | tensai | I'm thinking bad disk mojo |
| 17:56.41 | goozbach | tensai: I suspect tampering |
| 17:57.15 | JoshH | pastebin.com is one of the slowest sites ever |
| 17:57.32 | tensai | the system is rather well secured so it would take a pretty determined attacker |
| 17:58.08 | tensai | not that I'm saying it would be impossible |
| 17:59.10 | JoshH | luther stickell could do it, he's the only man alive who actually hacked NATO ghostcom |
| 18:01.49 | tensai | I heard on facebook yesterday that the swine flu is an "orchestrated attempt to spread fear and chaos into the population" |
| 18:02.54 | elg | tensai: engineered by our terrifying swine overlords? |
| 18:03.12 | tensai | elg: no, by the vaccine makes of all people. so they can make those big bucks on flu shots. |
| 18:03.18 | tensai | s/makes/makers/ |
| 18:03.36 | elg | oh of course. how silly of me not to know |
| 18:05.43 | mulicheng | I'm not getting a swine flu shot. |
| 18:05.57 | mulicheng | More people die of other types of flu than the swine flu me thinks. |
| 18:06.25 | mulicheng | however, I don't know if the swine flu is an orchestrated attempt to spread fear or not. |
| 18:06.46 | ^Migs^ | fear = money |
| 18:07.06 | mulicheng | You can always learn a lot about any situation by following the money trail. |
| 18:07.07 | unum | and people call me synical |
| 18:07.24 | elg | no they call you unum |
| 18:08.25 | unum | cynical |
| 18:08.50 | tensai | worldwide half a million people die of the seasonal flu every year. swine flu's got a lot of ground to catch up on. |
| 18:09.38 | tensai | it's the same as the sars or bird flu panics. there are far more mundane things to worry about. |
| 18:10.29 | unum | cable news talks about the swine flu because they need something to do all day |
| 18:10.48 | unum | vaccines are created for each strain of the flu that is currently active |
| 18:11.36 | tensai | they guess as to which strains will be most popular and then target those. usually about 5 a year. |
| 18:12.55 | mulicheng | I read an article the other day, if you get a flu shot, you are twice as likely to get the swine flu after. |
| 18:14.09 | Zelut | mulicheng: I saw the same. I'm using that as my justification of why I never get flu shots and why they are evil. |
| 18:14.20 | mulicheng | I've never got a flu shot. |
| 18:14.25 | mulicheng | seems like a waste to me. |
| 18:14.39 | mulicheng | but I'm not at risk of dying from the flu I guess. |
| 18:15.09 | mulicheng | I fully trust my bodies ability to fight off the sickness if I do happen to get it, but I also trust that washing my hands is more effective than the flu shot. |
| 18:16.05 | Zelut | I'd rather risk it and avoid all needles.. than get a shot and still have risk. |
| 18:17.30 | unum | mulicheng: where did you see this article? |
| 18:17.40 | mulicheng | I think on slashdot |
| 18:17.43 | stderr | I've been vaccinated to near-super hero levels. Couple more flu vaccines won't hurt. |
| 18:17.46 | mulicheng | I'll look for the link. |
| 18:18.23 | unum | why would washing your hands help prevent YOU from getting the flu? |
| 18:18.47 | mulicheng | http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/04/1344259/Seasonal-Flu-Shots-Double-Risk-of-Getting-Swine-Flu-Says-New-Study |
| 18:19.18 | mulicheng | in general, washing your hands prevents most sickness. |
| 18:19.20 | unum | maybe I did see that.... |
| 18:19.32 | mulicheng | I don't know that it has any more effect on the flu than any other sickness. |
| 18:19.36 | unum | I thought it prevented you from spreading it |
| 18:19.56 | unum | and it does have more effect on bacteria caused illnesses |
| 18:20.05 | unum | asuming you use anti-bacterial soap |
| 18:20.40 | unum | hmm about to go in for peer review.... |
| 18:21.45 | sjansen | points out that tensai's issue is one of the things that makes RPM better than DPKG. |
| 18:29.39 | tensai | anti-bacterial soap doesn't offer much over regular soap. the key is getting a good lather and scubbing the germies off. |
| 18:29.45 | elg | flu is primarily air-borne |
| 18:29.50 | elg | but washing your hands is a good idea |
| 18:30.21 | elg | incidentally, those alcohol sanitizers are somewhat effective against flu, but largely ineffective against colds |
| 18:30.23 | elg | in fact the rhinovirus likes an alcohol environment |
| 18:30.41 | elg | best to just wash your hands with soap and rubbing |
| 18:30.46 | unum | why would it be effective agains flu? |
| 18:30.47 | elg | non-antibacterial soap if you can find it |
| 18:31.05 | Zelut | wishes his co-worker were in this channel. He's worse than the "Monk" character when it comes to germs. This'd freak him out. |
| 18:31.09 | elg | unum: it's mildly effective, but more or less irrelevant because flu is transmitted mostly by air |
| 18:31.11 | elg | not by surfaces. |
| 18:31.12 | harleypig | http://xrl.in/3a7n |
| 18:31.24 | harleypig | Gotta choose your victims carefully! :D |
| 18:31.27 | elg | whereas colds are mostly transmitted by surface |
| 18:31.30 | jsmith | Zelut: Just remind him that the average PC keyboard has about 10x the number of germs as the average public toilet |
| 18:31.41 | jsmith | Zelut: That'll ruin his productivity |
| 18:32.05 | Zelut | jsmith: when he gets a soda from the fridge he soaps up the can as well as his arms up to the elbows as if he were a surgeon preparing for work. |
| 18:32.06 | tensai | doesn't want to know what jsmith has been doing on his keyboard |
| 18:32.27 | Zelut | tensai: I have heard that as well. |
| 18:32.44 | tensai | elg: I heard that too, on science friday I think. they said the abrasive action of rubbing the sanitizer in does more than the sanitizer itself. |
| 18:33.10 | unum | looks like they don't know why it works |
| 18:33.13 | tensai | mmm. broccoli and cheese soup. |
| 18:33.14 | jsmith | tensai: Mostly typing, but occasionally I sneeze on my keyboard. Once I even spilled a little tortilla-encrusted tilapia on it |
| 18:33.15 | unum | they just know it works |
| 18:33.31 | tensai | jsmith: *la la la la* I can't hear you |
| 18:34.05 | jsmith | tensai: Speaking of which... it's lunch time! |
| 18:34.07 | tensai | http://www.physorg.com/news106418144.html if anybody wants a reference |
| 18:34.23 | unum | in a comercial enviroment your toilet is likely to be cleaned every work day |
| 18:34.34 | unum | while you keybroad is never cleaned |
| 18:34.53 | harleypig | Ours is cleaned twice a day |
| 18:36.00 | elg | not to mention your hands have quite a lot more contact with germy things than the part of your backside that rests on a toilet |
| 18:36.10 | elg | and urine at least comes out sterile. not sure about feces |
| 18:38.03 | harleypig | elg: that's not really true. |
| 18:38.11 | harleypig | Especially if someone is sick. |
| 18:38.38 | elg | i had heard that but have no sources |
| 18:38.45 | elg | bows before harleypig on matters of the toilet |
| 18:39.00 | harleypig | ummm ... you sure you wanna bow in that way? |
| 18:39.16 | elg | on second thought... |
| 18:40.20 | unum | someone needs to write more about viricides on wikipedia |
| 18:40.22 | tensai | oh c'mon. I'm trying to get broccoli soup and cracker crumbs on my keyboard here. |
| 18:40.45 | harleypig | Take a bite and wait for someone to tell do a funny |
| 18:41.05 | elg | then you'll get not only food but vomit coming out your nose |
| 18:41.14 | jsmith-lunch | tensai: Homemade broccoli soup? |
| 18:41.18 | harleypig | and don't forget about boogers |
| 18:41.21 | levi | Yay, it was easy to cancel as soon as I called when someone was at the phone. |
| 18:41.25 | tensai | jsmith-lunch: why of course |
| 18:41.32 | levi | I got a flu shot this morning. |
| 18:41.37 | TehLaser | urine is sterile in healthy people. feces, of course, are never sterile. |
| 18:41.37 | levi | First one I've ever got. |
| 18:41.41 | Jayce^ | harleypig: we know about you and toilet problems at conferences... |
| 18:41.47 | tensai | levi: can you feel the mind control starting to work? |
| 18:42.11 | harleypig | *I'm* not the one with the problem .... |
| 18:42.23 | harleypig | TehLaser: source? |
| 18:42.36 | levi | tensai: Nope, they must have used the good stuff in this one. |
| 18:42.37 | TehLaser | harleypig: my microbiology text? |
| 18:43.15 | tensai | levi: or is that just what they're telling you to say? |
| 18:43.30 | TehLaser | In fact, urine is usually sterile even in sick people. Unless you have a UTI or somesuch. |
| 18:43.31 | harleypig | TehLaser: name and page? I've heard this before but no one has ever actuallly been able to point to an authoritative source |
| 18:43.52 | TehLaser | I sold it back, sorry. |
| 18:43.56 | levi | They were offering it along with a health screening thing, which they're giving us $150 gift cards for completing. So I figured I'd get the flu shot too, since it would make my wife happy. |
| 18:44.05 | harleypig | I'm just curious ... I don't go in for water sports, so it doesn't really matter to me. |
| 18:44.55 | tensai | yahoo answers and wikipedia say its sterile |
| 18:45.18 | TehLaser | It had a whole list of usually-sterile bits of humans. |
| 18:45.20 | jsmith-lunch | And we all know that wikipedia is the canonical source of all truth and light! |
| 18:45.26 | sjansen | Well, we all know Yahoo Answers is the ultimate source of wisdom. |
| 18:45.28 | TehLaser | The conjunctiva was another one. |
| 18:45.30 | sjansen | Or is that STDs... |
| 18:45.32 | TehLaser | (the eye) |
| 18:45.46 | levi | The health screening says I'm healthy, too, although I could stand to lower my triglicerides. |
| 18:45.48 | unum | I consider wikipedia the canonical source of all truth and light |
| 18:46.01 | unum | but it doesn't have much about vircides... |
| 18:46.06 | tensai | this guy is a doctor. http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Urology/urine/show/912545 |
| 19:07.38 | sjansen | is shocked to discover a co-worker wasn't familiar with the Wienermobile |
| 19:07.41 | sjansen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wienermobile |
| 19:08.15 | sjansen | How can one live in this country and call himself American without knowing what the Wienermobile is? |
| 19:08.29 | sjansen | s/himself/oneself/ |
| 19:16.37 | unum | sjansen: throw him out, he doesn't deserve to be here |
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| 20:06.55 | d33d | I'm Alex Lutz |
| 20:07.18 | goozbach | waves at Alex! |
| 20:07.21 | goozbach | hi alex! |
| 20:07.37 | goozbach | (he's at betaloft w/ me at the moment) |
| 20:07.48 | goozbach | ibot: greet alex |
| 20:07.48 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on alex |
| 20:08.31 | fozzmoo | ~thwack d33d |
| 20:08.31 | ibot | ACTION smacks d33d on the arm with a sink |
| 20:08.34 | mulicheng | ~apologize |
| 20:08.35 | ibot | ACTION apologizes to mulicheng |
| 20:08.53 | mulicheng | ibot: apologize to d33d |
| 20:08.54 | ibot | ACTION jbot says he's very very sorry for everything and that mulicheng made him do it and it wasn't his fault. |
| 20:08.56 | d33d | ouch! |
| 20:10.25 | fozzmoo | goozbach: So what is your schedule the next couple of days? |
| 20:11.17 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: should be obvious... UTOSC! |
| 20:11.29 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: I know *that*. |
| 20:11.36 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:11.38 | fozzmoo | I just don't know if he's going to be there tonight for the vol mtg. |
| 20:11.51 | goozbach | drat |
| 20:12.02 | goozbach | lvm snapshots of snapshots aren't supported |
| 20:12.04 | Jayce^ | I'll let him come if he wants :) |
| 20:12.10 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I'll be there |
| 20:12.16 | fozzmoo | goozbach: w00t. |
| 20:14.23 | mulicheng | goozbah: I thought you could do that, dang. |
| 20:14.29 | mulicheng | never tried it though I guess. |
| 20:14.55 | goozbach | mulicheng: *shrug* |
| 20:22.38 | tensai | stupid phone won't turn on |
| 20:22.46 | sjansen | ~steal tensai's phone |
| 20:22.47 | ibot | ACTION grabs tensai's phone and gives it to sjansen |
| 20:22.59 | tensai | sjansen: thank you |
| 20:23.16 | jsmith | tensai: You wanted a new phone anyway :-) |
| 20:23.21 | Jayce^ | tensai: you coming down tonight? |
| 20:23.30 | tensai | Jayce^: yuppers. couple more hours. |
| 20:23.41 | Jayce^ | coolio, we'll all be there tonight if you want to stop by |
| 20:24.19 | tensai | might as well I suppose. nothing fun at the hotel I'm sure. |
| 20:24.24 | Jayce^ | right |
| 20:25.06 | sjansen | realizes that swinging by home to grab his super soaker might be a good idea |
| 20:25.23 | sjansen | Er, I mean bad. |
| 20:25.27 | sjansen | A very bad idea. |
| 20:25.37 | sjansen | Definitely not something I'll do... |
| 20:28.23 | stderr | ugggh forgot about UTOSC |
| 20:28.49 | Jayce^ | you mean you missed the crapload of emails, blog posts, etc.. :) |
| 20:28.56 | goozbach | stderr: ?! |
| 20:29.10 | mulicheng | What is this UTOSC thing? |
| 20:29.13 | mulicheng | ducks |
| 20:29.32 | stderr | well, I knew it was coming up, I just completely blanked that it was this weekend |
| 20:33.47 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Check mail. :) |
| 20:33.53 | JoshH | i forgot to grab one of the free passes my work had, but i've been pretty apathetic about it |
| 20:34.10 | JoshH | and i don't even know what campus it's at this time, but i'm pretty sure it's not south city |
| 20:34.45 | Jayce^ | JoshH: http://2009.utosc.com/pages/venue/ |
| 20:35.17 | JoshH | it needs to be at the salt palace |
| 20:36.00 | goozbach | JoshH: two years from now it will be |
| 20:36.12 | JoshH | i hope so |
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| 21:35.08 | tensai | arg. stupid ISP changed my IP address inexplicably. |
| 21:35.26 | findlay | you rebel scum |
| 21:36.03 | findlay | is about to port a huge fortran project to automake |
| 21:36.27 | blendmaster1024 | findlay, have fun |
| 21:36.37 | blendmaster1024 | utosc is tomorrow!! |
| 21:39.11 | sjansen | ~pity findlay |
| 21:39.12 | ibot | I pity da fool findlay! |
| 21:42.04 | findlay | ~fortran sjansen |
| 21:42.23 | findlay | ~f77 sjansen |
| 21:43.45 | sjansen | findlay: Watch it or I'll ask harleypig to get all COBOL on your heiney. |
| 21:49.59 | findlay | is working for one of the world's preeminent researchers in the field |
| 21:54.50 | elg | the soccer field? |
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| 21:59.22 | findlay | elg: no, the wimp field |
| 22:00.28 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_interacting_massive_particle |
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| 22:43.34 | neybar | does anyone know if there is a way to tie compiling a custom network driver to a kernel update? I just put in a new server, but ubuntu doesn't recognize the network iface. I found and installed the correct driver and everything is cool. Since it is a brand new install of ubuntu 8.04 LTS I did a apt update for every thing. After a reboot of course the network driver disappears since there is a new kernel. I'd like to avoid that in the future if I can. |
| 22:44.28 | sjansen | neybar: DELL created something that can do that. |
| 22:44.57 | sjansen | http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml#dkms |
| 22:44.58 | brac | [Dell - Dell Linux - Projects] |
| 22:47.01 | neybar | hmm |
| 22:48.44 | goozbach | neybar: is it the broadcom chipset? |
| 22:49.03 | neybar | yeah, netxtreme2 or something like that |
| 22:49.06 | goozbach | http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/02/debian-lenny-pxe-installation-on-dell-poweredge-19502950-servers-bnx2-annoyances/ |
| 22:49.11 | goozbach | I did something similar to that |
| 22:49.17 | goozbach | it worked like a charm |
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| 22:51.37 | neybar | goozbach: that looks like a decent option. |
| 22:51.55 | goozbach | neybar: it worked for me |
| 22:52.30 | goozbach | I don't have time to get it to you right now, but if you're still having issues tomorrow, I've got a script which builds a new initrd for the installer for lenny |
| 22:52.41 | goozbach | you should be able to use it with ubuntu as well |
| 22:54.07 | neybar | sweet |
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| 23:44.25 | harleypig | anyone use perlmagick on a regular basis? |
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