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00:46.22blendmaster1024it would appear he's not, Sargun
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02:50.13eightyeightunum: goozbach: #linux on fslc die? or is it just me?
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04:22.16tensaineed more tubes
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04:48.36Sargun_Screentensai: MOAR TUBES?
04:49.37Sargun_ScreenWould you/think people would pay a premium for bandwidth which you know your ISP cannot police?
04:50.47Sargun_ScreenAdditionally, if the same technology that enables you to get this unpoliced bandwidth enables you to load balance between links, would you think of investing in it?
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06:22.38Sargunhttp://childhatinggodlessheathens.com/
06:22.39brac[Child-Hating Godless Heathens]
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14:50.53unumeightyeight: we are both in there
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15:50.09tristanbobhttp://www.quakelive.com/
15:50.11brac[QUAKE LIVE]
15:54.45fozzmooFlash-based Quake?
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15:58.21blendmaster1024or is it java?
15:59.33tensaidid you guys hear that id software was bought out?
15:59.38blendmaster1024no
15:59.50tensaizenimax media
16:00.36tensaiback in june apparently
16:04.23sjansenwho?
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16:12.13tensaithat's what I thought. they're a game publisher.
16:14.13tensailooks like quake live is a native browser plugin
16:14.19tensaiso it's neither flash nor java
16:17.15fozzmooFine. ;-)
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16:59.19stderrquake live++
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18:58.18sjansenIs it just me, or does Google's logo artist seem to be working really hard to justify his existence lately?
18:59.15blendmaster1024lol
19:05.11Sargunheheheh
19:07.52undertakingyou:)
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19:23.40mulichengAnyone know how to get a c macro to expand to multiple lines?  If I do this
19:23.40mulicheng#define a something line 1 \
19:23.40mulicheng<PROTECTED>
19:23.40mulichengThe result after processing is:
19:23.40mulicheng<PROTECTED>
19:23.41mulichengI need the newline though.
19:24.31jlp_workby definition, the \ at the end of the line escapes the newline, replacing it with a space
19:24.41jlp_workI don't know any way to do what you want with the C pre-processor
19:25.06jlp_workand I'm having a hard time figuring out why you would care if it's on multiple lines or one line after processing
19:25.09mulichengExactly, I wonder if I could put in a newline character somehow instead of escaping it.
19:25.29mulichengBecause it's a macro for an inline assembly piece of code.
19:25.36mulichengnewline is required.
19:25.49jlp_workahh
19:26.48jlp_workI think you're going to have to inline it... I don't think cpp can do what you want
19:27.00mulichengusing sdcc
19:27.10mulichenginlining is still not supported.
19:27.59jlp_workNewline Characters
19:27.59jlp_work<PROTECTED>
19:27.59jlp_work<PROTECTED>
19:27.59jlp_work<PROTECTED>
19:27.59jlp_work<PROTECTED>
19:27.59jlp_work<PROTECTED>
19:28.01jlp_work<PROTECTED>
19:28.07jlp_work(sorry about the flood)
19:32.04jlp_workalso found this: The only way a significant Newline can occur in a preprocessor command is within a string constant or character constant. Note that most C compilers that might be applied to the output from the preprocessor do not accept string or character constants containing Newlines.
19:33.07mulichengYeah I may have to find a different approach.  It takes more instructions to call the function than it takes for the assembly I'd like to stick in the macro unfortunately.
19:33.09jlp_workprobably doesn't help you do what you want
19:33.42jlp_workcan you just include the assembly in the program where you would be using the macro?
19:34.34mulichengThen I'd have to do that everywhere though.  It's part of a library so the idea is the firmware using the library doesn't have to inline assembly whenever they want the functionality.
19:35.23mulichengBut it's not that big a deal so I can probably just bag it and realize they get a tiny bit extra overhead since they're already going to get more overhead writing in c instead of assembly anyway.
19:36.12jlp_workyeah.  I just don't think it can do what you want.  you'll have to make it a real function call instead of a macro.
19:57.55sjansen*sigh*
19:57.59sjansenKids these days.
19:58.28goozbach*sigh* freaking fauxpen source companies
19:58.55goozbachI should be able to install zmanda on a server which does other things over http
20:00.06sjansenFedora is discussing moving /etc/resolv.conf to a new directory.
20:00.11sjansen"There should probably be a symlink to the old location during transition so that systems still work."
20:00.36sjansenDURING THE TRANSITION?!
20:00.38sjansenDURING THE TRANSITION?!
20:00.52sjansenweeps for Linux
20:01.51goozbachwhere to?
20:01.58goozbachWISKEY TANGO FOXTROX
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20:08.48Jayce^why the.......  yeah... uh..
20:10.17Jayce^that seems like something Suse might do...  of course they'd XML-ify it too
20:18.24jlp_workjlp_work just so long as they don't change it's name to resolve.conf
20:22.09goozbach@Jayce^ yeah, it'll be either xml-ified, or just turned into a hashed datatable you have to regenerate
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20:24.21mulichengPerhaps they can store it in an openoffice document.
20:42.59sjansenhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LowerProcessCapabilities
20:43.37sjansenhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/LowerProcessCapabilities
20:45.56mulichengHe says this compliments SELinux, but couldn't you do the same thing by enhancing the SELinux policies?
20:46.22mulichengor do SELinux policies not work with root privileged processes?
20:48.26sjansenCapabilities complEment SELinux is the same way that tradition Unix file permissions complement SELinux.
20:49.54sjansenIn other words, they stand in line to deny access before SELinux. Because they are more simple than SELinux, they benefit even people who fear SELinux.
20:50.23mulichengI fear SELinux.
20:50.32mulichengActually, I have it enabled and usually don't have any issues with it.
20:50.53sjansenmulicheng: Have you attended any of my SELinux presentations?
20:51.11mulichengNope.  Sorry.
20:51.43sjansenOkay, so I didn't fail.
20:52.14JoshHsjansen: is there video of your presentations up anywhere?
20:53.12sjansenhttp://www.opensourcetv.tv/video/16.html
20:53.56JoshHsplendid
20:53.58sjansenThere is one tiny lie in that version. I got a little carried away and claimed "SELinux can control object to pretty much any kernel object." That's an exaggeration.
20:55.07sjansenYou can thank fozzmoo for doing all the hard work, I just showed up to present.
20:55.26goozbachhurray for fozz!
20:55.41JoshHhe probably fell asleep at the camera though
20:57.33maquisugh... my back is killing me
20:58.30mulichengNow I know what sjansen looks like.
20:59.12Jayce^passes mulicheng the bleach
21:00.37sjansenNo you don't. You know what my autonomous cybernetic remote presence proxy looks like. I'm still safely ensconced in my fortress buried deep under an undisclosed mountain.
21:01.31mulichengHm, interesting.
21:01.58goozbachmulicheng: forget trying to back trace the radio signals...
21:02.14goozbachhe's got some crazy freq hopping and multipathing going on
21:02.42goozbachwith at least three dozen transmitting towers blanketing the salt lake valley
21:03.23mulichengSounds better than my cell phone coverage (in other news, t-mobile sucks at cell phone coverage)
21:04.02jlp_workI'm pretty happy with my t-mobile coverage... it's a little spotty in a couple of places, but most of the time it's rock solid.
21:04.18mulichengrides motorcycles way up in the mountains.
21:04.39JoshHcheck the granite mountain facility first, norad second
21:05.17mulichengWe use my brothers Verizon cell phone pretty much the second we leave any major highway.
21:05.20jlp_workJoshH: norad doesn't exist any more... the cheyenne mountain complex is now run by space command
21:05.57JoshHhmm, they called it norad in the news articles about the plane crash in indiana yesterday
21:06.04JoshHbut i'll assume that's a mistake and take your word for it
21:06.08jlp_workmulicheng: I don't.  I mostly use it right here in the valley.  I agree that their coverage is pretty localized... doesn't work when I go down to Price, for example.
21:06.16jlp_workJoshH: heh, news casters
21:06.29maquismulicheng: so far (1 week) my hubby and i have had *way* better luck with t-mobile than we did with at&t...
21:06.34mulichengAgreed, it's been ok in the valley.
21:06.55mulichengAnd they don't claim to have coverage other places, so I can't dis them too much.
21:07.03maquisstupid iphone used to drop calls consistently while on the freeway
21:07.07mulichengThey do what they say they do anyway.
21:07.32sjansenIf you want a copy of the slides, p/m me.
21:07.43maquisyears ago, my dad had at&t, and he actually called them one day while driving down I5 and told them "ok... in 10 seconds, this call will drop"
21:08.04maquisit drove him crazy
21:08.13mulichengDid it drop?
21:08.17maquisyup
21:08.21maquisright when he said it would
21:08.32JoshHit seems like att has coverage in some spots where verizon doesn't and vice versa
21:08.47maquisJoshH: probably...
21:09.00JoshHi like att's software more though
21:09.02maquisat least in my experience, at&t has had *horrid* network service, though
21:09.04mulichengI've always wondered why AT&T got the iphone deal.  Even if they paid Apple, wouldn't it still be in Apple's best interest to have good quality?
21:09.19maquismulicheng: i thought so too
21:09.24sjansenI've had good luck with Sprint, everywhere but my kitchen.
21:09.52maquisbut for me, the last few software updates were crippling to the iphone anyways, so i started getting the impression that apple just didn't care anymore
21:09.52JoshHya, fozzmoo should have focused the camera on the slides instead of on you
21:09.55jlp_workmulicheng: depends on how much AT&T paid apple
21:10.00JoshHdo you have a pdf of the whole thing?
21:10.25mulichengI wish phone plans were more in-line with what people pay in other countries.
21:10.37maquisand i got sick and tired of getting a "voicemail" notification when the phone had never rung and showed no missed calls...
21:10.40mulichengWe pay a lot for our phones and our internet.
21:11.01sjansenJoshH: Slides, yes. Demos, no.
21:11.28maquisor other times where i wouldn't be notified of anything... but later would call my voicemail and find out "hey... i have a voicemail here that never got a notification to the phone, for which there's no missed call, no log of the call existing, no ring, etc."
21:12.07maquiswith the amount we were paying for the service, it was cheaper to pay the stupid blackmail fee to switch networks and get a normal phone with t-mobile
21:12.33maquismulicheng: we pay too much, and we have the stupid contracts
21:12.38jlp_workmaquis: which phone did you end up getting?
21:12.45maquisjlp_work: nokia 5310
21:12.51leviNORAD still exists, it's just not in Cheyenne Mountain anymore.
21:12.52jlp_workmy wife is looking at the samsung t334 (or something like that)
21:13.10maquisa pain to try to find, unfortunately, but a wonderful phone.   we ended up having to order it online
21:13.46maquisnokia has apparently officially replaced it with a newer model that has lower battery life, is larger, and isn't as good-looking
21:14.05maquisbut the t-mobile website still carries the 5310... free with contract
21:14.09jlp_worktypical
21:14.34maquisi was really excited because it's really quite small
21:14.51jlp_worknice looking phone.  I used to swear by nokia back when my company was paying for my phone. :-)
21:15.21mulichengAre any of these good deals: http://www22.verizon.com/Residential/bundles/FiosBundlesab.htm
21:15.25jlp_workI've been debating with myself on if I want to spend the $$ for an android phone
21:15.44jlp_workor just pick up another cheap-o to replace my ancient T-610
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21:35.46blendmaster1024hulu ... .com?
21:35.49blendmaster1024hello ibot
21:35.53goozbachhulu.com ye3s
21:36.01goozbachhttp://www.hulu.com/chuck
21:36.02sjansen~hulu++
21:36.09goozbachright now that page is 403
21:36.23sjansengoozbach: WORKSFORME
21:36.34sjansencloses goozbach's ticket
21:37.03Zelutworksformetoo
21:37.08blendmaster1024what is it?
21:37.22goozbachhmm
21:37.25sjansenblendmaster1024: A rocket powered pineapple.
21:37.40goozbachmust be the server I'm being sent to
21:37.40blendmaster1024are you all right, sjansen?
21:38.01sjansenDandy. Thanks for asking.
21:38.37Zelutsjansen: i prefer pineapple powered rockets
21:38.52blendmaster1024is worried about sjansen and Zelut
21:39.01goozbachpineapplw!!!!!!!
21:41.04mulicheng-chat Zelut rockets
21:41.15bracZelut rockets
21:42.19goozbach-chat pineapple rocket
21:42.27bracpineapple rocket
21:42.38goozbach-chat pineapple
21:42.39bracpineapple had
21:42.49goozbach-chat goozbach pineapple
21:42.51bracgoozbach pineapple
21:43.04blendmaster1024and goozbach? this is scary
21:43.06mulichengbrac isn't too creative at the moment.
21:43.12Zelut~chat goozbach ur doing it rong
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21:45.37Jayce^~emulate gir
21:45.38ibotwhere's my moose?
21:45.44Jayce^points to elg
21:47.28blendmaster1024hmm... how does ~emulate work?
21:47.37blendmaster1024~emulate Jayce^
21:47.44blendmaster1024not that way it would seem
21:48.02Jayce^wonders if blendmaster1024 knows about gir, and friends
21:48.07fungus~literal cmd: emulate (.*?)
21:48.10Jayce^~emulate Mrs. Bitters
21:48.12blendmaster1024no
21:48.21Jayce^tsk, thought it had that
21:48.26Jayce^~emulate zim
21:48.26ibotTHE DIB! HE'S MISSING! THEY'VE TAKEN HIM AND DRAINED HIM OF HIS _sweet sweet blood candies_
21:48.40Jayce^:-D
21:49.13Jayce^~emulate dib
21:49.14ibotSee Gaz, to defeat my enemy I must study my enemy, then become my enemy, then move in with my enemy, then wear my enemies clothes, then...
21:49.40mulicheng~emulate Gaz
21:49.41ibotThat was your fate of the world work!?! Jumping in a puddle!?! You do realize I'm gonna have to destroy you now.
21:50.19Jayce^~emulate dib
21:50.20ibotOh you're just *begging* to face the MOOSE.
21:50.45blendmaster1024~help
21:51.02Jayce^blendmaster1024: look up invader zim
21:51.17blendmaster1024hmm, what's --help of ibot?
21:51.23Zelutahh the joys of young love between a new user and an IRC bot. classic.
21:51.40blendmaster1024yeah
21:51.57blendmaster1024tell me now
21:51.57blendmaster1024or esle
21:52.12Tadakaquick question for anyone in davis county.  Does you have an ISP you like?
21:52.34TadakaI'm looking at ditching comcast
21:52.41ZelutTadaka: I can only get qwest as my provider, but my ISP is xmission. I like xmission, I hate qwest.
21:53.13goozbachI saw a squrriel! it was like this:  *squrriel noises*
21:53.35TadakaZelut:  thx.
21:53.57goozbachblendmaster1024: /msg ibot help
21:54.21sontek[:
21:54.29blendmaster1024are topics commands?
21:54.56JoshHTadaka: you can get utopia in layton, not sure if that's in davis or weber though
21:54.57goozbachblendmaster1024: read the output
21:55.09TadakaZelut:  does xmission allow you to host anything?
21:55.20TadakaJoshH:  really, I didn't know that was available here
21:55.36goozbachohh the output has changed
21:55.38blendmaster1024and how do you activate the info capability? just ask a question that it matches?
21:55.42goozbachblendmaster1024: try help <topic>
21:55.44ZelutTadaka: yep. I host all kinds of stuff
21:55.47goozbachin a /msg
21:55.50goozbachof course
21:55.55TadakaZelut:  sweet, thx
21:55.58tensai~tell blendmaster1024 about help
21:56.04ZelutTadaka: everything from email to dns, web, ssh. you name it.
21:56.05JoshHTadaka: you are in layton?
21:56.19TadakaJoshH:  Yep
21:56.42JoshHlucky, i'd call xmission sales asap then
21:56.52JoshHyou can get 50/50/500 for around 80 bucks
21:57.15Tadakayea, I didn't know that was available.  looking hard at it now
21:57.38JoshHalso, do you need a roommate?
21:57.42Tadakalol
21:57.50Tadakamy wife and kids might object  :P
21:58.03goozbachtime to go home I suppose
22:07.45sjansenibot: help goozbach
22:08.09sjansen<ibot> no help for goozbach.
22:08.15sjansengoozbach: You're DOOMED!
22:09.25mulicheng~help goozbach
22:09.44mulichengHe refuses.
22:10.07mulicheng~help
22:10.13mulichengGets you an IM from ibot though.
22:10.40sjansens|IM|p/m|
22:10.58mulichengyeah yeah
22:11.22JoshHmsg
22:11.38JoshHand fyi, #utah isn't a "room"
22:11.39sjansennak
22:12.09sjansenchanges the channel
22:12.10maquisJoshH: i still think of it as a room sometimes... otherwise it'd be much harder to curl up in the corner
22:12.57JoshHa pm is something you get on a forum
22:13.27JoshHa chat room is what you want to keep your kids out of
22:13.28mulichengsjansen uses his frequency hopping technology to change the channel controlling his robotic proxy.
22:13.42maquisit's not a chat room
22:13.59maquisit's an irc channel that occasionally has various features of a room
22:14.22JoshHi think of it as a channel, kinda like radio communication but text based
22:14.25sjansenshoves maquis in the closet and locks the door
22:14.29maquisthings like tables that you can hide under
22:14.36maquishey!
22:14.41maquispounds on the closet doors
22:15.08maquislooks around carefully, hoping that there's no monsters hiding in the closet
22:15.20maquiss/looks/feels
22:15.27JoshHsjansen, very good presentation
22:16.35JoshHi like the apparmor comment
22:22.24jlp_workJoshH: you're not far off with the radio analogy... originally irc channels were numbers (instead of text like "#utah")
22:23.02jlp_workkind of like CB radio
22:23.17jlp_worklets maquis out of the closet
22:23.22jlp_workwait... that didn't sound quite right
22:23.33JoshHi knew it
22:23.52maquisclimbs out, very grateful to jlp_work for saving her from the scary monsters in the dark closet
22:24.14maquisignores the fact that jlp_work sounded not-quite-right with that...
22:24.26maquis-chat JoshH
22:24.27bracJoshH had
22:24.29maquis-chat JoshH
22:24.29bracJoshH was
22:24.32maquis-chat JoshH is
22:24.33bracJoshH is likely but not for work of communist sympathizers. time for some people change it with "how to find /home/tuxgirl/.ssh/identity, and it TRIES to get it done before they can pay for certification.
22:25.04maquishuh?
22:26.07jlp_workwow, brac was a little too close to /home there
22:27.42JoshHhttp://rawstory.com/2009/10/leaked-video-glenn-beck-uses-vicks-to-cry-on-cue/
22:58.16mulicheng~uptime
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23:24.30sjansenWhoa! Electric berimbau!
23:24.36sjansenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVkItJTZ3OI
23:25.06maquis-chat mulicheng is
23:25.07bracmulicheng is looking nice
23:25.32maquismulicheng: wow..  apparently brac thinks you look nice!
23:25.41maquishe never says anything that nice about me
23:25.44maquis-chat maquis is
23:25.45bracmaquis is glad he went to USU :)
23:25.56maquisbrac: wrong... i'm not a he, and i didn't go to USU
23:26.01maquis-chat maquis is
23:26.04bracmaquis is nothing good having come from an unspecified client drags jsmith into court suing for $200
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