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| 16:12.42 | Jayce^ | elg: are you actually expecting that much backlash re: the evolution thing? |
| 16:12.59 | elg | alas, yes. from some people |
| 16:13.25 | maquis | evolution thing? |
| 16:13.32 | elg | well, maybe not backlash so much as them feeling attacked. which isn't my point and why i tend to not bring it up |
| 16:13.44 | elg | attacked or faith-threatened. |
| 16:13.51 | elg | maquis: a note i posted on fb |
| 16:14.11 | maquis | notes that now that she doesn't have an iphone, she keeps forgetting to check facebook |
| 16:15.45 | maquis | perhaps i'll be better when i'm not at work all day, though |
| 16:19.34 | Jayce^ | elg: meh, always bugs me, churchs position has been clear on it for a long time.. Think it's easy to understand.. |
| 16:20.09 | Jayce^ | wow, 422 CA earthquakes in the last week |
| 16:20.36 | elg | Jayce^: i'm with you |
| 16:20.41 | elg | aw, and I haven't felt a single one |
| 16:20.52 | Jayce^ | elg: there was a 5.something last night.. |
| 16:21.09 | maquis | Jayce^: really? 422? |
| 16:21.12 | elg | what time? maybe that's what woke me up at 3am :-/ |
| 16:21.25 | maquis | elg: watch out :P |
| 16:21.31 | Jayce^ | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Maps/US10/32.42.-125.-115.php |
| 16:21.32 | brac | [Map Centered at 37°N, 120°W] |
| 16:21.52 | Jayce^ | 425 now :) |
| 16:22.01 | maquis | around here, they keep telling us that we're overdue for a "big one"... when i was in elementary school, they said 8.something was what we were overdue for |
| 16:22.13 | elg | nothing near me |
| 16:22.14 | Jayce^ | yeah, that big one near the somoas trigged off the the rest of the fault lines |
| 16:22.28 | Jayce^ | still, lots of small slippage is usually better |
| 16:22.38 | Jayce^ | maquis: yeah, I remember the drills.. |
| 16:22.48 | Jayce^ | biggest one I felt up there though was when St. Helens went |
| 16:22.56 | elg | utah is overdue (on a geologic scale) for a big one, iirc |
| 16:23.04 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 16:23.51 | maquis | hmm... looks like washington got one around a 3.x in the past 24 hours |
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| 16:24.36 | maquis | see, it's funny to me... moving up here, my husband had never been taught what to do in case of an earthquake |
| 16:24.38 | Jayce^ | UT hasn't had the swarm that been around the ring.. |
| 16:24.39 | Jayce^ | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Maps/US2/40.42.-113.-111.php |
| 16:24.40 | brac_ | [Map Centered at 41°N, 112°W] |
| 16:27.04 | maquis | long as they don't see too many centered around rainier... |
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| 16:28.15 | Jayce^ | hehe... just as long as it's growth is limited... no sudden growth |
| 16:28.27 | maquis | Jayce^: yeah... |
| 16:28.50 | maquis | Jayce^: btw, it's cool that costco in utah has prepper gear... |
| 16:29.12 | Jayce^ | well, they're always good with that, but especially around here on conf weekend.. |
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| 16:29.19 | maquis | we end up having to order some of our prepper gear *from* utah over here |
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| 16:29.28 | Jayce^ | the whole entrance is bulk wheat, milk, canned meat, etc.. |
| 16:29.35 | maquis | wow... nice |
| 16:30.05 | maquis | we can get canned meat pretty well... i don't think i've ever seen bulk wheat at our costco, but i'm guessing it'd still be more than the cannery prices... |
| 16:30.21 | maquis | i know their rice is more pricey than cannery prices around here |
| 16:30.24 | Jayce^ | yeah, especially since they do the lehi roller mills wheat here |
| 16:30.35 | Jayce^ | cannery doesn't have a real markup, usually best price |
| 16:30.50 | maquis | around here, it seems costco, etc., only really have wheat flour, not wheat itself |
| 16:30.56 | Jayce^ | they even carry the maggie moo's milk sub here |
| 16:31.23 | maquis | Jayce^: is thata good brand? |
| 16:31.35 | Jayce^ | it's very nice stuff, but more expensive |
| 16:31.41 | maquis | i've got a bit of the cannery powdered milk stored, but have heard that other brands taste a lot better |
| 16:32.09 | maquis | i don't like the flavor of the cannery milk when it's rehydrated, so i end up using it more for cooking, but not for drinking... |
| 16:32.10 | Jayce^ | tastes better than most powdered milk, but it's not actual milk (in case you try to make cheese or other stuff) |
| 16:32.57 | maquis | hmmm... interesting |
| 16:33.18 | maquis | our ward is doing a food-storage cook-off soon... trying to figure out what i'm going to make for it |
| 16:33.36 | Jayce^ | wish ours would.. |
| 16:33.45 | maquis | not sure if i'm going to go for "quick and easy" or "gourmet"... |
| 16:34.45 | maquis | i think i'll have an easier chance doing well with quick-and-easy, since we don't have as many of the gourmet types of storage, but at the same time, i'd love to show off some of the cooler types of food-storage items you can get... a lot of people here don't know about things like freeze-dried meats and stuff |
| 16:34.55 | maquis | or a lot of the substitutes that you can use |
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| 16:59.15 | Jayce^ | elg, I hope you aren't behind the "worst captcha ever" I just got on FB... horrid |
| 17:10.22 | mulicheng | Heh, the other day, I couldn't get past a captcha. It was so garbled I had no idea what the letters where. I pushed the sound button and it played a bunch of jibberish. I gave up. |
| 17:11.05 | Zelut | mulicheng: I guess that means you are a spambot. "real" people know how to read garbled captchas. |
| 17:12.14 | mulicheng | morphs into a spambot |
| 17:16.13 | Jayce^ | http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=31453 |
| 17:16.22 | Jayce^ | best proof of the fake moon landing ever! |
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| 17:34.13 | Sargun_Screen | Are you serious? |
| 17:40.15 | blendmaster1024 | no, i'm blendmaster1024 |
| 17:40.45 | blendmaster1024 | should be working on his utosc presentation which isn't finished yet, but he's having so much fun on irc |
| 17:41.31 | Zelut | blendmaster1024: sounds familiar |
| 17:42.06 | blendmaster1024 | lol ... at least i have something to present already, the big problem is that theres too much in it, i need to thin it out |
| 17:43.50 | mulicheng | I heard that Buzz Aldren punched a conspiracy theorist a while back. Someone that came up and told him it was all fake at some conference or something. |
| 17:44.01 | mulicheng | Haven't googled, but I bet there is a link somewhere. |
| 17:45.02 | Jayce^ | yeah, there is video.. |
| 17:45.23 | Jayce^ | real jerk that keeps getting in his face, buzz keeps trying to move away, finally just lays him out.. |
| 17:45.34 | Jayce^ | buzz is old, this guy younger.. totally awesome |
| 17:53.04 | stderr | well the guy called him a coward, that's when he punched him. |
| 17:53.07 | stderr | Aldrin++ |
| 17:54.24 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU |
| 17:59.43 | blendmaster1024 | wow, i can't wait for utosc |
| 17:59.55 | blendmaster1024 | soooo much fun stuff |
| 18:02.10 | blendmaster1024 | ahhh hahaha |
| 18:02.17 | blendmaster1024 | http://2009.utosc.com/presentation/151/ |
| 18:02.22 | blendmaster1024 | bzflag is 2d!?!?! |
| 18:02.24 | blendmaster1024 | lol |
| 18:03.56 | fungus | bzflag is older than you are. |
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| 18:05.09 | blendmaster1024 | whatever, but it's most definitely not 2d |
| 18:13.47 | Sargun_Screen | how old are you blendmaster1024 |
| 18:13.54 | blendmaster1024 | 14 |
| 18:14.18 | Sargun_Screen | oh |
| 18:14.29 | Sargun_Screen | that was my age when I came here |
| 18:14.43 | Sargun_Screen | Created On:26-Jan-2001 20:22:26 UTC |
| 18:15.18 | blendmaster1024 | Sargun_Screen, what do you mean? |
| 18:17.24 | Sargun_Screen | To which one |
| 18:17.34 | blendmaster1024 | "that was my age when I came here" |
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| 18:18.27 | blendmaster1024 | how old are you now? |
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| 18:18.45 | sjansen | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/ |
| 18:24.30 | sjansen | loves how fast the Plug server is |
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| 19:03.00 | maquis | blendmaster1024: when he first came to #utah (a number of years ago) he was 14 :) |
| 19:03.38 | blendmaster1024 | oh |
| 19:04.01 | sjansen | And we'll probably never forgive him for it. |
| 19:04.13 | blendmaster1024 | haha |
| 19:06.05 | mulicheng | When I was 14, irc was only a few years old. |
| 19:06.22 | blendmaster1024 | :) |
| 19:06.42 | mulicheng | And there were only 40 some irc servers worldwide. |
| 19:07.14 | blendmaster1024 | just killed a 1-inch spider |
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| 19:08.05 | blendmaster1024 | Sargun, why two nicks? |
| 19:08.09 | blendmaster1024 | lol |
| 19:09.59 | Sargun | Sargun & Sargun_Screen |
| 19:10.03 | Sargun | one is a screen, one is not. |
| 19:10.18 | blendmaster1024 | yeah.... but why do you need both on at once? |
| 19:10.35 | Sargun | why not? |
| 19:10.57 | blendmaster1024 | haha... i guess i don't know |
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| 19:20.26 | sjansen | mulicheng: Depends on what IRC network you're talking about. Looks like freenode has < 30. |
| 19:21.02 | maquis | blendmaster1024: because they're both online :) |
| 19:21.14 | sjansen | Wait a minute, that wasn't a question. |
| 19:21.35 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 19:21.35 | blendmaster1024 | lol |
| 19:22.07 | Sargun | Man, metal business cards are expensive. |
| 19:22.28 | mulicheng | sjansen: I was looking at a history of irc page, which was talking about 1988-89 |
| 19:23.22 | unum | I was 9 when it was created |
| 19:24.47 | Sargun | Do you guys have any recommendations on creative business cards? |
| 19:25.38 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.59 | Sargun | sjansen, -_- |
| 19:26.05 | Sargun | (personal cards actually) |
| 19:26.21 | unum | you could copy rms |
| 19:26.25 | unum | :) |
| 19:26.28 | mulicheng | Text a vCard message. |
| 19:26.42 | mulicheng | skip the paper. |
| 19:26.51 | mulicheng | I always just chuck those anyway. |
| 19:27.04 | goozbach | Sargun: just buy the cheap pack of clean edge cards from staples |
| 19:27.08 | goozbach | the avery brand |
| 19:27.11 | goozbach | print em yourself |
| 19:27.24 | Sargun | mulicheng, they don't work very well for real life. |
| 19:27.44 | Sargun | (vCards that is) |
| 19:28.00 | goozbach | http://blog.friocorte.com/stuff/gooz-card_back.pdf |
| 19:28.09 | goozbach | http://blog.friocorte.com/stuff/gooz-card_front.pdf |
| 19:28.14 | unum | business card size cd's |
| 19:28.25 | goozbach | the url http://blog.friocorte.com/card/ is my vcard |
| 19:28.30 | goozbach | and it's encoded in that QR code |
| 19:31.11 | sjansen | goozbach: How'd you create that? |
| 19:31.18 | goozbach | sjansen: openoffice.org |
| 19:31.25 | goozbach | oh, you meant the QR code |
| 19:31.35 | goozbach | http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=qr&chs=250x250&chl=MECARD:N:Carter,Derek;SOUND:goozbach;NICKNAME:Goozbach;URL:http://blog.friocorte.com;TEL:+18014587326;EMAIL:goozbach@friocorte.com;; |
| 19:31.46 | sjansen | Rock on. |
| 19:31.51 | mulicheng | Hey! That's the same captcha system I couldn't get past the other day. |
| 19:32.01 | goozbach | mulicheng: it's re-captcha |
| 19:32.11 | mulicheng | most of the time you can, but every now and then it spits out this impossible jumbled text. |
| 19:32.13 | goozbach | and it's only one of the images you have to guess |
| 19:32.27 | maquis | i like math-based captchas |
| 19:32.30 | goozbach | if one of the words is horribly mangled, make sure you get the first right |
| 19:32.37 | goozbach | s/first/other/ |
| 19:32.56 | unum | I like the kitten captcha |
| 19:32.58 | mulicheng | They were both messed up. |
| 19:33.39 | maquis | i was thinking picture-based ones would be cool, but if you do something like "what is this a picture of?", not everyone will come up with the same answer |
| 19:34.19 | unum | maquis: you can say click on the picture of the kitten |
| 19:34.25 | unum | and give them several picture |
| 19:34.26 | unum | s |
| 19:34.41 | unum | though then they have a 1 in 10 chance or what ever |
| 19:35.03 | mulicheng | Yeah, so 1 in 10 bots would get through. |
| 19:35.08 | mulicheng | Not too good a ratio. |
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| 19:43.01 | unum | http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:s1714: |
| 19:43.02 | brac | [Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)] |
| 19:43.13 | unum | a bill to support, if you haven't already seen it on /. |
| 19:46.32 | maquis | unum: what's it about? |
| 19:46.35 | blendmaster1024 | maquis, try the picture-based ones that say "which is a picture of a baseball" or whatever it randomizes to |
| 19:46.35 | blendmaster1024 | they're nice |
| 19:46.35 | maquis | blendmaster1024: true... that is probably better than expecting the visitor to write out the word you're looking at |
| 19:46.35 | maquis | i suppose you could also show a picture and have a drop-down of options for the user to choose from |
| 19:46.35 | blendmaster1024 | yeah |
| 19:46.35 | blendmaster1024 | maybe randomize between them |
| 19:46.51 | unum | maquis: open text books |
| 19:46.54 | maquis | the issue is, if it's multiple choice, then there's a higher chance that it could get selected randomly, but the spammer would have to know how to do that |
| 19:46.57 | maquis | unum: ooh! |
| 19:47.19 | blendmaster1024 | the whole idea is just to make it hard or nearly impossible for people to script the capcha, because as soon as someone can script it... |
| 19:47.51 | maquis | blendmaster1024: granted, my current captcha is a hard-coded simple math problem with the same answer every time, but it's not like i've got enough visitors for a spammer to care that it failed |
| 19:49.04 | blendmaster1024 | :) |
| 19:52.16 | goozbach | meh, just use recaptcha and help croudsource a problem to old texts |
| 19:53.24 | maquis | heh... i haven't looked into what would be involved in trying to get that to play nicely with my not-so-advanced blog platform :) |
| 19:53.36 | maquis | honestly, i need to get the admin page working again |
| 19:53.54 | maquis | need to do that this weekend.... |
| 19:54.09 | maquis | it's been broken for like 2 years, and i haven't gotten around to fixing it yet. |
| 19:54.54 | goozbach | maquis: recaptcha is a simple snippet |
| 19:55.06 | goozbach | drop it in your template and boom! |
| 19:56.04 | maquis | in a template? |
| 19:56.17 | goozbach | or whatever |
| 19:56.19 | goozbach | it's simple |
| 19:56.25 | goozbach | recaptch help describes it |
| 19:56.31 | maquis | ah... |
| 19:56.42 | maquis | if it's just a snippet, then it shouldn't be bad |
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| 21:49.27 | mrpull | apparently i'm not cool enough to get a wave invite. has there been copious amounts of gloating and begging in here today? |
| 21:50.02 | Jayce^ | not too much |
| 21:50.21 | Jayce^ | though not sure if it matters.. apparently I was sent one, but still don't have it |
| 21:50.44 | tristanbob | Jayce^, google has to lick a lot of stamps, apparently |
| 21:51.07 | mrpull | plus its coming from Australia after all. |
| 21:51.25 | mrpull | i think their primary means of Internet is IP over sea turtle |
| 21:52.14 | sjansen | just doesn't get what the big deal is |
| 21:52.54 | mrpull | sjansen: I suppose i dont get the big deal either...yet |
| 21:53.20 | mrpull | i'd like to try it so I can sing praises or poo poo it |
| 22:05.28 | stderr | I have one more invite left, but, honestly, I have no idea how long it'll take to receive it |
| 22:05.50 | mulicheng | has not bothered to google what wave is yet or why I might possibly be concerned with getting an invite. |
| 22:06.48 | mrpull | mulicheng: i have it on good authority that if you google google you will BREAK THE INTERNET |
| 22:06.55 | goozbach | facebook broken :( |
| 22:07.07 | stderr | I'm pretty sure (RE: "why?") Google considers it it's silver bullet on the aging email protocol, amongst other things. |
| 22:07.25 | stderr | goozbach: yea, it's been that way for a while for me. Just keep refreshing, I believe it's a problem with a batch of their load balancers. |
| 22:07.31 | blendmaster1024 | who knows whether doc and marty get home safely in back to the future #3 |
| 22:07.34 | stderr | (I assume the page simply refuses to load for you) |
| 22:07.44 | stderr | blendmaster1024: Marty gets home safe, Doc stays. |
| 22:08.10 | mrpull | so please, no one try it, even for a joke. |
| 22:08.12 | mulicheng | Doc Gets home technically later, but then leaves again. |
| 22:08.24 | stderr | mulicheng: ha |
| 22:08.35 | Jayce^ | mrpull great show |
| 22:08.42 | mrpull | one of the best |
| 22:08.50 | mulicheng | remember, he flies on on his modified train. |
| 22:09.37 | stderr | oooh, that's right. yea, they decide to take a family vacation through time, right? |
| 22:09.50 | mulicheng | something like that. |
| 22:10.29 | stderr | been a while. The back to the future franchise's quality dropped dramatically after the first. |
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| 22:13.58 | mulicheng | Anyone know of a webapp that can view git repos, but also has some real basic issue tracking? |
| 22:15.08 | mulicheng | I want to push a bunch of git repos to a public url, and provide people with the ability to clone them and have some very basic issue/support abilities. |
| 22:16.21 | mulicheng | Would be nice if they could browse the changelog's etc. Something like github. |
| 22:16.37 | mulicheng | But I'm pretty sure I want to host them instead of using github/sourceforge etc. |
| 22:22.59 | stderr | really? I like github. |
| 22:23.37 | stderr | but for my personal repo server I use gitosis, no web app. |
| 22:25.16 | mulicheng | not a dislike of github, but for some stuff we're launching at work. |
| 22:25.32 | mulicheng | I think we'd rather host all our own stuff. |
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| 22:27.22 | mulicheng | Trac might work. There is a GitPlugin apparently. |
| 22:37.25 | blendmaster1024 | BgDM |
| 22:47.00 | sjansen | mulicheng: http://www.google.com/search?q=distributed+issue+tracking+git perhaps? |
| 22:47.48 | mulicheng | The git wiki has a pretty comprehensive list: http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/InterfacesFrontendsAndTools#gitweb.28distributedwithGit.29 |
| 22:54.34 | sjansen | http://www.agapow.net/programming/python/asserts |
| 22:55.40 | sjansen | Ugh. Everyone thinks Python is a clean language. It's not. *sigh* |
| 23:02.27 | mulicheng | http://www.indefero.net looks really nice. |
| 23:02.57 | Sargun | sjansen, eh? |
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| 23:05.27 | sjansen | Sargun: If you don't understand the comment, too bad. I'm too lazy to explain. |
| 23:06.06 | Sargun | sjansen, What parts of it are unclean |
| 23:07.21 | sjansen | Sargun: If you don't understand the comment, too bad. I'm too lazy to explain. |
| 23:08.02 | Sargun | sjansen, Why are you lazy? |
| 23:09.00 | Sargun | Damn, unsuccessful at frustrating old man sjansen. |
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| 23:09.35 | sjansen | ~language Sargun |
| 23:09.36 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 23:09.52 | fbdystang | hehe, only in utah |
| 23:09.58 | Sargun | sjansen, Success! |
| 23:10.11 | Sargun | elg, Are you at home? |