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| 01:27.54 | findlay | ~seen hans |
| 01:27.55 | ibot | hans is currently on #debian, last said: 'okay, i see.'. |
| 01:28.04 | findlay | elg: ping |
| 01:28.13 | elg | suddenly I see |
| 01:28.28 | findlay | elg: what's your favorite softphone? |
| 01:29.14 | elg | for linux? twinlke |
| 01:29.18 | elg | twinkle even |
| 01:29.30 | findlay | what about for OSX? |
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| 01:47.18 | findlay | ugh |
| 01:47.30 | findlay | why do apps *still* default to OSS |
| 01:47.31 | findlay | ? |
| 02:06.16 | elg | x-lite |
| 02:06.19 | elg | findlay: ^^ |
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| 15:01.25 | goozbach | what's the dpkg equvilent of rpm -ql? |
| 15:04.12 | sojourner | dpkg -L |
| 15:04.56 | goozbach | why is dpkg such a PITA? |
| 15:05.26 | sojourner | it aids mail pattern baldness |
| 15:05.32 | sojourner | s/mail/male/ |
| 15:05.46 | goozbach | but I like my hair |
| 15:05.56 | goozbach | ~goozbach |
| 15:05.57 | ibot | i guess goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 15:13.02 | tensai | goozbach: if you're not familiar with dlocate, I suggest it as a nice dpkg add-on |
| 15:14.57 | goozbach | tensai: looking into it |
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| 15:16.57 | sjansen | https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=441 |
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| 15:32.38 | maquis | -chat it |
| 15:32.39 | brac | it is a bit iffy, but is it offensive? |
| 15:40.19 | sjansen | ~language brac |
| 15:40.20 | ibot | ACTION grabs brac by the ear and washes brac's mouth out with soap |
| 15:40.55 | sjansen | is deeply offended by brac's cavalier attitude |
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| 15:43.16 | maquis | -chat sjansen |
| 15:43.16 | brac | sjansen is listening to my new workstation, but at least its biases are transparent. |
| 15:44.34 | sjansen | ~teach maquis |
| 15:44.35 | goozbach | -chat goozbach went |
| 15:44.35 | brac | goozbach went to high availability environment? |
| 15:44.37 | sjansen | ~educate maquis |
| 15:44.37 | ibot | ACTION teaches maquis the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 15:44.43 | goozbach | -chat sjansen is |
| 15:44.43 | brac | sjansen is currently in limited beta, but should it be like 65 in tech years. |
| 15:44.57 | sjansen | ~punish goozbach |
| 15:44.57 | ibot | ACTION forces goozbach to install and use Windows |
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| 15:46.33 | goozbach | noooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOooooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*breath*OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!!!!1111!!! |
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| 15:50.35 | sjansen | "Uninformed criticism on the Internet has destroyed informed criticism." -- Alan Kay |
| 15:51.48 | ^Migs^ | http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/16.jpg |
| 15:52.51 | sjansen | "Bad criticism has driven out good criticism. Rather than criticize existing solution, I'm going to ask questions." -- Alan Kay |
| 15:52.53 | sjansen | (paraphrasing) |
| 15:56.27 | elg | forget criticism. draw analogies to $SCARY and incite terror. |
| 15:56.38 | elg | e.g. |
| 15:56.48 | elg | that code looks like it was written in NOTEPAD! |
| 15:56.50 | maquis | woohoo! won my ebay auction... 20 days til my pens get here! |
| 15:57.05 | elg | you bought them from singapore? |
| 15:57.12 | maquis | 11 fountain pens for 40$ including shipping |
| 15:57.16 | maquis | elg: close enough... china |
| 15:57.34 | maquis | i've bought from the seller before, and he's got *nice* pens |
| 15:57.39 | elg | my car will be here sometime this week |
| 15:57.50 | elg | it's been almost a month since we arranged for it |
| 15:58.01 | elg | from japan |
| 15:58.23 | maquis | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330362247611&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:US:1123 <-- got to pick out my favorite 11 pens... :P |
| 15:58.59 | maquis | ended up getting 1 calligraphy pen, 1 roller ball (for my hubby) and 9 normal fountain-pens, one of which has a hooded nib |
| 15:59.36 | maquis | i've never written with a calligraphy pen or a fountain pen with a hooded nib, so i decided to get those for experimentation |
| 15:59.56 | levi | elg: What car? |
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| 16:06.45 | sjansen | elg is buying us all cars, Oprah style! |
| 16:06.48 | sjansen | ~elg++ |
| 16:07.54 | levi | Well, if I were to buy a car, it would not be a Pontiac G5. But if one were given to me, I suppose I'd drive it. |
| 16:08.28 | levi | Speaking of Pontiacs, I need to get mine towed to a garage. I think the fuel pump is bad, and I don't want to try to drop the fuel tank in my driveway. |
| 16:10.50 | maquis | ooh... is it a toyota? |
| 16:11.07 | maquis | if elg buys us cars, it'd better be toyotas |
| 16:11.34 | levi | Bah, Toyotas are boring. |
| 16:11.34 | maquis | <3 her corrolla |
| 16:11.41 | maquis | levi: but they work |
| 16:11.43 | maquis | consistently |
| 16:11.51 | levi | Lots of cars work consistently these days. |
| 16:12.04 | maquis | meh... |
| 16:12.08 | maquis | even some of the nice cars don't |
| 16:12.15 | maquis | my mom's touareg is always having software issues |
| 16:12.40 | levi | That's why you don't buy super whiz-bang features. |
| 16:13.11 | levi | Because they've got lots of fairly new, complex tech in them and the bugs are rarely all worked out. |
| 16:13.36 | maquis | and they like to tell you "flat tyre on board" |
| 16:13.50 | JoshH | in 5 years we will probably be downloading patches for our car software over built in wifi |
| 16:14.11 | levi | maquis: If you had a super fancy Toyota or Lexus, it would probably be doing the same sorts of things. |
| 16:15.17 | levi | If I was in the market for a 4-door compact car, I'd probably get a Mazda 3. |
| 16:15.19 | maquis | levi: or it could have the lexus "you don't really want to stop accellerating, right?" feature |
| 16:15.33 | maquis | has a 99 corrolla, and it works quite well |
| 16:16.42 | levi | I've got a 99 Miata, which works quite well and has the added benefit of actually being fun to drive. |
| 16:20.59 | sjansen | has a 95 Camry with rusting roof, missing hubcap, broken antenna, dying speakers, and frayed upholstery |
| 16:21.23 | sjansen | Oh, and the passenger side window can't go down anymore either. |
| 16:22.41 | sjansen | But my laptop totally rocks. :-) |
| 16:30.16 | goozbach | sjansen: your priorties are correct! |
| 16:35.03 | JoshH | why don't you upgrade the vehicle? |
| 16:36.35 | sjansen | None of the problems affect the engine. Although I do plan on eventually fixing the radio. |
| 16:38.23 | JoshH | my next car will probably be either a mazda 6, nissan maxima, or another chevy malibu (i currently have an 05 malibu) |
| 16:38.35 | JoshH | i like subaru legacys as well |
| 16:39.07 | JoshH | i also want a toyota tundra for camping/etc |
| 16:39.40 | sjansen | Heh. I'm reading the source for coreutils su.c. 'This program intentionally does not support a "wheel group" that restricts who can su to UID 0 accounts. RMS considers that to be fascist.' |
| 16:39.48 | sjansen | Thank goodness for PAM. |
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| 16:40.38 | JoshH | ya, i've set up wheel group behavior using pam before, generally when replacing bsd boxes that sort of need to act the same |
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| 16:40.58 | JoshH | i don't see what rms's issue there is |
| 16:41.04 | elg | levi: Mazda5 |
| 16:41.06 | elg | stormy blue touring trim |
| 16:41.31 | sjansen | RMS thinks even passwords are fascist. |
| 16:42.17 | unum | he refused to put a password on his dial up internet account |
| 16:42.33 | unum | and then when they made him do it he set it to rms or password or something like that |
| 16:51.15 | elg | levi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mazdausa/3490134161/ |
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| 16:57.31 | RyanE | elg: purdy. I think we're going to go with a Mazda 6 for our next car. Wife says she's done with vans. Even nice ones. |
| 16:57.57 | elg | :) |
| 16:58.15 | elg | well I originally wanted a honda accord but my wife wants to keep the kids at arms length from eachother |
| 16:58.18 | elg | which meant 3 rows |
| 16:58.52 | elg | but i pushed back against the full-size SUV (suburban etc.) and she pushed back against minivans |
| 16:59.21 | elg | this mazda5 is a miniminivan, seats 6 in 3 rows |
| 16:59.23 | RyanE | Our mini-van served us well for almost 10 years. 98 Dodge Grand Caravan. First year with sliding doors on both sides. |
| 16:59.31 | RyanE | nie. |
| 16:59.36 | RyanE | nice, that is. |
| 16:59.53 | elg | 10ish years down the road when kids have longer arms and don't sit in car seats, I'll try for a sedan again :) |
| 17:00.22 | RyanE | yeah, and we've got one pushing against the legal driving age, so the #kids going with us is going down. |
| 17:01.18 | RyanE | looks like the mazda mini-van might even be somewhat fun to drive. |
| 17:01.58 | elg | zoom zoom zoom |
| 17:02.07 | RyanE | :) |
| 17:02.19 | elg | the sport trim even comes in a standard |
| 17:02.46 | elg | though my wife (who'll do most of the driving) wanted an automatic |
| 17:03.09 | RyanE | our van worked well and all, and was pretty reliable, but you could *never* say that sucker was fun to drive. |
| 17:03.43 | RyanE | my wife wants a 6 with a manual. She had a little Mazda when we got married. |
| 17:03.43 | tensai | elg: pong |
| 17:03.48 | elg | and on the other end of the spectrum my '91 honda accord is finally registered |
| 17:04.04 | maquis | figures that a few years down the road, she might end up looking at a toyota sienna |
| 17:04.04 | RyanE | === my '90 nissan 2WD PU |
| 17:04.06 | elg | and so i'm getting the driver's door handle fixed |
| 17:04.27 | elg | and maybe i'll get a stereo. it's my backup commute car, for days when bike+train isn't flexible or fast enough |
| 17:04.46 | elg | or when the weather goes below my manliness threshold |
| 17:05.20 | JoshH | elg: how many kids do you have? |
| 17:05.23 | elg | tensai: i was going to chitchat about rellenos in preparation for my experiment |
| 17:05.24 | elg | 3 |
| 17:05.27 | RyanE | I picked up a pretty decent AM/FM/CD/MP3 (CD) stereo from Cruchfield for like $75, put one in my truck, then one in the prev minivan. They make it pretty easy these days. |
| 17:05.31 | JoshH | ah, oki have 2, and can get by with a sedan |
| 17:05.38 | tensai | maquis: I've got a sienna |
| 17:05.47 | JoshH | but i also have a 2000 durango, for when i need to pack kids + extra gear |
| 17:05.47 | elg | yeah, we just added #3, hence the new car |
| 17:05.55 | tensai | elg: I've been craving rellenos and you're not helping |
| 17:05.59 | elg | van. whatever. my wife forbids me from calling it a van |
| 17:06.11 | elg | tensai: what batter do you use? the one on my blog? |
| 17:06.13 | RyanE | the nice thing about the stereo I got was that it had a 1/8" mini stereo aux input. I usually only listen to podcasts on it... :) |
| 17:06.21 | elg | hatch green chile are in season |
| 17:06.23 | elg | the supermarkets here carry them. |
| 17:06.28 | elg | probably not there though, eh? |
| 17:06.39 | JoshH | cafe rio uses those, iirc |
| 17:06.43 | Jayce^ | we went the tahoe route, been a winner for us, though now that I have a truck again, our next one might be a crossover (plus don't have to carry as many *other* people as often) |
| 17:06.52 | tensai | no, just the standard fare poblanos |
| 17:07.02 | elg | but i'm getting tired of making rellenos with those. more often than not they're too hot |
| 17:07.11 | tensai | I great some poblanos but the skin is far too thin to make rellenos |
| 17:07.13 | elg | so i think i'll finally get around to trying poblanos |
| 17:07.25 | tensai | s/great/grew/ |
| 17:07.26 | elg | i thought poblanos had thick skins |
| 17:07.38 | elg | oh, i see |
| 17:07.39 | tensai | typically they do. mine don't. |
| 17:07.56 | elg | you have wussy poblanos that can't take an insult |
| 17:08.10 | Jayce^ | wow, that's just a mean thing to say elg |
| 17:08.13 | elg | you could always do jalapeño poppers |
| 17:08.19 | tensai | for batter I use an egg flour mixture. I think it's your recipe. |
| 17:08.22 | elg | -insult tensai's poblanos |
| 17:08.22 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help insult' |
| 17:08.37 | elg | -insult poblanos |
| 17:08.37 | brac | poblanos is a motley-mind tongueful of fawning pus |
| 17:08.42 | tensai | my poblanos were great for a tomatillo salsa |
| 17:08.43 | Jayce^ | has a bunch of big jalapeño's in the dehydrator, and tied up right now |
| 17:08.52 | elg | Jayce^: he said it first, that they don't have thick skins |
| 17:09.06 | Jayce^ | and then you insult them, knowing they can't take it :) |
| 17:09.21 | elg | they're already salsa. ;-) |
| 17:09.35 | elg | tensai: so I did some research again about batters. I found some patterns |
| 17:09.40 | Jayce^ | really needs to try growing tomatillos next year |
| 17:09.56 | tensai | Jayce^: we're going to to |
| 17:10.00 | elg | the egg foam batter is definitely what all the restaurants I tried were using |
| 17:10.07 | tensai | s/to to/to too/ |
| 17:10.09 | Jayce^ | tensai: have you grown them before? |
| 17:10.15 | elg | it's light, fluffy, and like eating a soggy mattress pad |
| 17:10.27 | tensai | Jayce^: no. neighbor did and they turned out as well as the ones at the farmers market. |
| 17:10.30 | Jayce^ | haven't tried them yet, so hoping to find any tips |
| 17:10.40 | elg | Jayce^: dirt, sun, water |
| 17:10.50 | tensai | elg: don't forget seeds |
| 17:10.57 | elg | oh yeah |
| 17:10.59 | Jayce^ | I did really good with some late tomatoes planted on top of our spring pea crop |
| 17:11.07 | Jayce^ | that turned out a winner this year |
| 17:11.26 | tensai | my late carrots might turn out. my late peas I think aren't going to flower before they freeze. |
| 17:11.27 | elg | i should look into whether i can grow anything in my little back yard over the winter |
| 17:11.27 | maquis | wants chiles rellenos |
| 17:11.38 | Jayce^ | our dog pulled the first of our cantaloups out this weekend... was good... |
| 17:11.41 | elg | my mom's coming in a couple weeks, i'm just being lazy and waiting for her expert assessment |
| 17:11.56 | Jayce^ | I've got some beets that are about the size of my kids heads... |
| 17:12.02 | tensai | elg: I bought some specs on the internet. I sure hope they work out. |
| 17:12.10 | elg | tell me how it goes |
| 17:12.28 | tensai | 2 more weeks of waiting |
| 17:12.33 | tensai | drums fingers |
| 17:12.54 | elg | tensai: so I think the recipe I have on my blog is a bit too runny for optimal effect. and I have a strange idea on doing the egg foam but with more flour and maybe some corn meal |
| 17:12.55 | Jayce^ | yeah, my garden suffered this year due to outside demands on the time... but still got quite a bit of food |
| 17:12.56 | maquis | wishes she could grow peppers in her garden |
| 17:12.56 | tensai | we tried potatoes for the first time this year. who'd have figured they'd grow so well in idaho? |
| 17:13.00 | elg | clearly I need to buy a few more chiles |
| 17:13.34 | Jayce^ | tensai: you do a barrel/tire/box system, or just straight one level? |
| 17:14.08 | tensai | Jayce^: not sure I understand |
| 17:14.16 | elg | the egg foam was sure nice to work with though. no fighting with the chile (as long as the bowl is big enough), no wondering if the cheese is going to leak out because your slit was too big. it sticks well and basically hermetically seals |
| 17:14.19 | RyanE | I tried box this year, but haven't seen if I have any spuds in there... :( |
| 17:14.21 | Jayce^ | did you do anything to bury the plant as it was growing? |
| 17:14.39 | RyanE | And the boxes I used are pretty small. |
| 17:15.04 | Jayce^ | if you bury a plant mostly just before each flowering level, it'll grow up again, and grow another level of potatoes.. |
| 17:15.15 | Jayce^ | for most varieties (a couple don't) |
| 17:15.33 | elg | back to impossible C debugging task |
| 17:16.06 | Jayce^ | so you can take a trash can, with a little dirt, plant a spud, and as it grows, keep burying it.. and by the end of the summer, you 20-50lbs of spuds from one plant |
| 17:16.54 | sjansen | stomps off, jealous of everyone with gardens |
| 17:17.19 | maquis | Jayce^: does that work with red potatoes? |
| 17:17.32 | tensai | Jayce^: never heard of that. we didn't do anything fancy. |
| 17:17.35 | maquis | my question is... uh... how does everybody store their veggies? |
| 17:17.53 | tensai | maquis: in my belly |
| 17:17.54 | maquis | around here, it's so wet that there's not really a good way to store stuff long-term |
| 17:17.56 | Jayce^ | tensai: google for trash can potatoes.. or ask any of your neighbors about using tires with their potato plants |
| 17:17.58 | goozbach | maquis: in soup, catsup, salsa, and just straight canned |
| 17:18.21 | maquis | i don't think i could store 20-50 lbs of spuds in my belly |
| 17:18.30 | maquis | Jayce^: didn't someone do a post on utah preppers about that? |
| 17:18.33 | tensai | you're just not trying hard enough |
| 17:18.40 | maquis | goozbach: true... |
| 17:18.40 | Jayce^ | maquis, tensai http://www.utahpreppers.com/2009/05/potato-grow-boxes/ |
| 17:18.44 | Jayce^ | that's the one phil did |
| 17:18.49 | tensai | we made frozen hash browns last year and they worked out great |
| 17:18.49 | maquis | Jayce^: yeah... that's the one i'm remembering |
| 17:18.56 | maquis | tensai: that's a good idea |
| 17:18.56 | Jayce^ | we've been in massive canning mode right now |
| 17:19.02 | maquis | freezing stuff is good... |
| 17:19.03 | redbeard2 | is doing purple trash can potatoes |
| 17:19.10 | Jayce^ | I just did a onion-pepper relish last night |
| 17:19.14 | maquis | is planning on trying canning next year |
| 17:19.18 | maquis | this year it ain't happening |
| 17:19.23 | tensai | shred them, soak in citric acid, blanch for 1 minute, then freeze on a sheet pan |
| 17:19.23 | redbeard2 | i'll be bringing in the trash can indoors when it gets cold enough |
| 17:19.33 | Jayce^ | redbeard2: might want your help to find a better corn/onion/pepper type salsa to can |
| 17:19.38 | Jayce^ | dont' want so much vinegar :) |
| 17:19.48 | maquis | my parents want us to get in with them on a half-cow, so we might not have too much freezer space soon... |
| 17:19.58 | Jayce^ | maquis: it's the best way to go |
| 17:20.04 | Jayce^ | we did that last year.. |
| 17:20.10 | tensai | redbeard2: we grew some purple ones. they great well. the trick is finding them in the dirt because they're so dark. |
| 17:20.33 | tensai | would love another half beef |
| 17:20.51 | Jayce^ | tensai: pitchfork.. makes all the difference picking them.. |
| 17:20.57 | Jayce^ | we tend to turn a lot of earth.. |
| 17:21.06 | Jayce^ | or if you grown in a trash can, then it's really easy |
| 17:21.29 | tensai | we did too. the kids had lots of fun. our soil is very clay-like, so there were many potato sized clumps |
| 17:21.34 | stderr | mmm I just got 200 lbs of beef and elk for free this weekend |
| 17:21.47 | JoshH | i love elk |
| 17:22.18 | JoshH | my dad shot a moose with his bow this year, so i'll probably get a freezer full of that. never had moose before but heard it's alright |
| 17:22.36 | Jayce^ | JoshH: it's *strong* |
| 17:22.37 | redbeard2 | my sister was once bit by a moose |
| 17:22.54 | eggyknap | chuckles |
| 17:23.10 | maquis | mmm... never had moose, but elk sounds good |
| 17:23.13 | Jayce^ | møøse! |
| 17:23.45 | JoshH | i shot a rocky mountain goat when i was 14, and it's by far the toughest, most unpleasant big game meat i can remember |
| 17:23.52 | stderr | this guy had had this meat for a year or more in his freezer |
| 17:24.01 | stderr | we feed our pets raw so we picked it up for them |
| 17:24.14 | JoshH | can't dogs get worms from that? |
| 17:24.34 | stderr | from feeding raw? no |
| 17:24.54 | stderr | not unless you're an idiot and give them ground meat that's sat or something |
| 17:24.58 | tensai | if it's frozen that should take care of any worms |
| 17:24.59 | stderr | sat out* |
| 17:25.04 | JoshH | guess that makes sense |
| 17:25.21 | JoshH | i always fed my dogs dogfood with a moderate amount of table scraps |
| 17:25.26 | stderr | tsk |
| 17:25.47 | stderr | trust me, if you want your dogs (or cats) to have less messy poop and to be healthier, raw is the way to go |
| 17:26.05 | stderr | (my gf worked as a pet nutritionist while getting her B.S. and now she's working as a vet tech) |
| 17:26.48 | stderr | we do chicken leg quarters during the week (wings for the cats) then elk or beef on saturday with either beef or chicken livers, then fish on sundays |
| 17:27.08 | JoshH | i could see that getting kind of pricy, unless you have a good meat hookup |
| 17:27.21 | stderr | cheaper than you'd think and the calcium in the bones they eat clumps their poop into very hard and easily manageable (and much less smelly) droppings |
| 17:27.28 | stderr | not pricy at all |
| 17:27.35 | JoshH | interesting |
| 17:27.37 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8279276.stm |
| 17:27.39 | stderr | You can get 14 chicken leg quarters at WalMart for less than 4 bucks |
| 17:27.40 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Middle East | Egypt anger over virginity faking] |
| 17:27.51 | stderr | we feed our medium sized dogs one of those a day |
| 17:27.51 | eggyknap | beef liver is yummy, under the right circumstances. |
| 17:27.52 | tensai | but what if I want my cat to be a vegan? |
| 17:27.58 | JoshH | haha |
| 17:28.02 | eggyknap | beef heart is yummier. |
| 17:28.03 | stderr | then you should perform some gene therapy |
| 17:28.37 | stderr | these vegans who hold their pets to the same diet are idiots. |
| 17:28.57 | JoshH | doggie veggie burgers! |
| 17:28.57 | stderr | My girlfriend is a hardcore vegetarian, she wouldn't feed vegetables to a carnivore if you stuck a gun to her head |
| 17:29.18 | RyanE | Let's not try that... :) |
| 17:30.20 | mulicheng | I thought the problem was feeding meat to the vegetarian, not the other way around?? |
| 17:31.01 | ^Migs^ | I tell vegetarians "For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three." |
| 17:31.13 | ^Migs^ | that tends to make them upset |
| 17:31.40 | stderr | if the vegetarians are vegetarians due to some moral reason... |
| 17:32.25 | ^Migs^ | which is most of them |
| 17:32.39 | ^Migs^ | it's pretty stupid, if you ask me. Humans EVOLVED to be pretty dependent on meat consumption. |
| 17:33.13 | tensai | one of my favorite movies is Madagascar where the lion learns to overcome his evil habits of killing animals to eat them |
| 17:33.19 | ^Migs^ | not to mention vegetarians keep destroying the earth. Eating all the plants. |
| 17:33.28 | stderr | most of them? Hardly. |
| 17:33.54 | RyanE | Why would someone choose that as a lifestyle if they aren't doing it for a moral reason? |
| 17:33.58 | ^Migs^ | There's nothing healthy about a vegetarian lifestyle. Protein shakes don't cut it. |
| 17:34.00 | RyanE | style? |
| 17:34.02 | RyanE | preference? |
| 17:34.12 | RyanE | blood makes them woozy? |
| 17:34.19 | ^Migs^ | If it's a medical reason, that's fine. |
| 17:34.25 | mulicheng | I think there are plenty of veg.. that just believe meat isn't healthy. |
| 17:34.33 | mulicheng | not for a moral reason. |
| 17:34.34 | ^Migs^ | But most of them churn out this B.S. that being a vegetarian is healthy |
| 17:34.44 | stderr | preference, mass produced red meat has a load of additives and crap in them |
| 17:34.55 | RyanE | Ding dongs and cheetos isn't healthy either, but it works for me. :) |
| 17:35.01 | ^Migs^ | Meat in excess is certainly not healthy. But our bodies function best with a proper amount of meat. |
| 17:35.03 | stderr | that red steak at the supermarket isn't red because of blood, it's red because it has a whoooole bunch of dye in it. |
| 17:35.23 | Jayce^ | and it's stored without O2 |
| 17:35.41 | mulicheng | Migs: Disclaimer, I'm not a veggie.. eat my share of meat too.. but I've read studies that show you can live quite healthy without meat. |
| 17:35.53 | stderr | my gf is pretty healthy |
| 17:36.24 | stderr | she runs 5 miles with me every morning and weighs about 120 lbs. I'm pretty sure she hasn't sacrificed much because she doesn't eat meat. |
| 17:36.24 | tensai | indians are a great example of that. on the other side, inuits live basically on seal meat. |
| 17:36.24 | ^Migs^ | Archaeologists even trace ancient dental records to periods of sedentarism, when humans stop eating so much meat and eat more crops. Their teeth become much, much worse. A meat-eating human is a much healthier human. |
| 17:36.55 | ^Migs^ | Plus, a life without meat is no life at all. |
| 17:36.55 | tensai | the body is capable of adapting to a lot of different diets |
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| 17:37.01 | ^Migs^ | at LEAST eat fish. |
| 17:37.07 | stderr | indeed. the human body isn't limited by diet much. It's one of the major reasons we were able to spread and adapt so quickly. |
| 17:37.10 | mulicheng | Lack of nutrition in general usually contributes to poor health. There are plenty of vegi only diets that are perfectly healthy. |
| 17:37.22 | ^Migs^ | The American Heart Association recommends 2 or 3 servings of fish a week. |
| 17:37.35 | ^Migs^ | not in protein, mulicheng |
| 17:38.05 | stderr | you can get protein from a variety of other diets rather than meat, that's just ridiculous. |
| 17:38.26 | mulicheng | Migs: very untrue. You can get all the essential amino acids from non-meat products. in addition, your body can synthesize all the essential with a subset of them as intake. |
| 17:38.26 | ^Migs^ | sure you can, but not as awesomely as meat |
| 17:38.32 | tensai | stderr: ^Migs^ is a troll. what do you expect? |
| 17:38.44 | stderr | shrugs |
| 17:38.45 | Jayce^ | stderr: actually, not complete proteins without mixing specific things... eg beans + rice |
| 17:38.46 | ^Migs^ | pffft, you just like slapping the "troll" label on anyone you disagree with. |
| 17:38.56 | ^Migs^ | Nice, effective way to instantly corrupt everyone's mind against the person, turn everyone against them |
| 17:38.57 | Jayce^ | that's why t's such an important part of diets around the world |
| 17:39.05 | ^Migs^ | it's like saying someone's in a "cult." |
| 17:39.09 | stderr | Hey, I love meat as much as the next guy, I just don't think that you need it |
| 17:39.18 | stderr | Jayce^: oh, I know. But it is possible |
| 17:39.27 | ^Migs^ | Now I feel like going to Famous Dave's |
| 17:39.41 | stderr | My girlfriend has a diet schedule to keep her diet strong on all the essentials |
| 17:39.43 | mulicheng | If you "had" to have meat, all the vegitarians would die/wither whatever and that would be the end of the debate. |
| 17:40.00 | ^Migs^ | they pretty much do, mulicheng. The life expectancy of a vegetarian is much shorter than a meat eater. |
| 17:40.18 | mulicheng | please cite reference.. |
| 17:40.20 | ^Migs^ | actually, I just made that up, but that would be awesome for my case if it were true |
| 17:40.53 | ^Migs^ | looks like the opposite might be true: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/78/3/526S |
| 17:40.54 | brac | [Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy in humans? -- Singh et al. 78 (3): 526S -- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition] |
| 17:40.56 | stderr | that's a ridiculous posit. The opposite (for proper vegetarian diets) has been shown to be much more beneficial to lifespan. |
| 17:41.10 | JoshH | from what i've heard, you can be perfectly healthy with or without meat, but too much meat is definitely bad for you |
| 17:41.23 | mulicheng | It's well known that too much meat (cholesterol etc) contributes to heart disease etc. |
| 17:41.32 | JoshH | the areas with the longest life spans have diets rich in nuts, grains, moderate wine consumption, etc |
| 17:43.25 | stderr | honestly my stomach has been having more and more of a problem with red meat so I've been cutting my consumption down sharply |
| 17:43.35 | badon | the interesting thing about longevity is that even with all the medical technology, average lifespans of the elderly have only increased about 5 years since 1850 |
| 17:43.44 | stderr | most of my meat is fish, I try to fit in a fish meal 4 or 5 times a week. |
| 17:44.01 | JoshH | i eat a lot of chicken |
| 17:44.02 | badon | that's easily attributable to better nutrition and hygiene alone |
| 17:44.07 | badon | bbl |
| 17:44.33 | mulicheng | People interested in the issues with meat might like reading the china study: http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html |
| 17:44.34 | brac | [::: THE CHINA STUDY :::] |
| 17:44.41 | tensai | mulicheng: it may be "well known" but I'm not convinced it's true. for example, the inuit whose diet is mostly seal and the masai whose diet is mostly beef. but then, those people have evolved to live in those conditions so it's hardly surprising. |
| 17:45.16 | tensai | the same may not hold for say you or me |
| 17:45.34 | stderr | tensai: I agree wholeheartedly. |
| 17:45.37 | mulicheng | Nothing is ever totally true, but the evidence is quite a lot then. |
| 17:46.07 | stderr | I think diet has a whole lot do you with how healthy you feel so I always suggest people experiment with their diet when they're feeling lousy all the time, etc |
| 17:47.08 | JoshH | there was a study that said vegan chicks are better in bed |
| 17:47.14 | JoshH | that matters more than an extra year or two of life imo |
| 17:47.42 | stderr | coughs and looks around, whistling |
| 17:48.09 | JoshH | besides, there are so many ways to get so many varieties of cancer out there, it almost doesn't even matter how healthy you try to be, as long as you are within reason |
| 17:48.25 | JoshH | as far as lifespan goes, that is |
| 17:52.11 | mulicheng | Lots of people say they don't care if they die a couple years before someone else, might as well do what I want and have fun now. You can't choose the end though really. You might end up on bed-rest for the last 15 years of your life instead of just dying. |
| 17:52.51 | stderr | yea, that's called "100 CCs of morphine accidentally appearing on my chart" |
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| 18:05.42 | maquis | likes meat, but also likes lots of other stuff |
| 18:05.50 | maquis | unfortunately, i tend to like meat too much |
| 18:06.08 | sjansen | likes http://icanhascheezburger.com/ |
| 18:06.19 | maquis | brazilian rice and beans is a good source of protein, though |
| 18:06.27 | maquis | you've got the meat in there and the beans and rice :) |
| 18:07.08 | sjansen | http://punditkitchen.com/2009/09/28/political-pictures-republicans-nazis/ |
| 18:17.03 | maquis | for me, i've never been a big veggie fan, but i'll eat just about any set of veggies cooked in an indian dish |
| 18:17.09 | maquis | they make it much more tasty |
| 18:18.28 | stderr | I love vegetables. |
| 18:18.37 | stderr | especially asparagus and broccoli |
| 18:18.53 | maquis | i guess i just don't like the flavor of the veggies themselves |
| 18:19.03 | maquis | but i love indian spices and flavors |
| 18:22.30 | elg | asparagus++ |
| 18:23.19 | stderr | mmm I grill asparagus all the time |
| 18:23.35 | elg | sauteed in butter |
| 18:23.40 | stderr | mmm yup |
| 18:29.22 | levi | elg: So, what car are you getting from Japan? |
| 18:29.36 | elg | Mazda5 |
| 18:29.43 | elg | stormy blue touring |
| 18:29.43 | levi | Nice. |
| 18:29.51 | levi | I test drove one of those a couple of weeks ago. |
| 18:29.57 | levi | My cousin has one, too. |
| 18:30.31 | levi | I want to get one, but I've got to figure out how I'm going to pay for it first. :) |
| 18:34.44 | elg | they're going like hotcakes now apparently |
| 18:35.10 | levi | Crazy. It's not like they're brand new. |
| 18:35.36 | elg | yeah. maybe people just didn't know about them and word of mouth is reaching critical mass |
| 18:35.47 | elg | or maybe some paper-pusher just underestimated demand |
| 18:35.48 | levi | Anyway, I've got to get my cars that I want to get rid of drivable again so I can get rid of them. |
| 18:36.12 | levi | Are you getting an '09 or '10? |
| 18:36.25 | elg | i think it's one of two cars of that type we can get in the US. the other being a Kia somethingorother |
| 18:36.34 | elg | but the style is apparently quite popular in europe |
| 18:36.39 | elg | '09. I don't think the '10 is out yet |
| 18:36.56 | levi | Yeah, Europeans always have smaller versions of things. |
| 18:37.04 | elg | i was hoping it would be and they'd be rushing the '09s out the door at bargain prices |
| 18:37.32 | levi | Probably not going to be a lot of that, since inventories on '09s are low. |
| 18:37.53 | levi | The Utah dealerships tend to only have one or two in stock each. |
| 18:40.31 | elg | ya. las cruces had one or two at any time. we have more dealers to choose from here, but even so finding one in the color we wanted and at the price we wanted took a month of waiting |
| 18:43.37 | levi | Did you get the drop-down ceiling TV? |
| 18:45.36 | elg | no |
| 18:45.49 | elg | i'm not seeing that on the specs page |
| 18:46.30 | levi | It's an add-on option. |
| 18:46.35 | levi | For an extra $1k or so. |
| 18:49.03 | levi | I probably wouldn't get it... that's a lot of money for a 7" TV. :) |
| 18:49.28 | elg | still don't see it, but wasn't planning on it. i'm not sure about dvd drop-down things, but most fancy radio, gps, etc. things I've priced are cheaper on crutchfield than at the dealer |
| 18:49.42 | elg | you might not have quite the same visual integration, but otoh you usually get better feature set to boot |
| 18:49.47 | elg | and more selection |
| 18:51.23 | levi | They all tend to be crazy overpriced. I'd just buy a cheap portable DVD player or use an extra laptop. |
| 18:51.34 | elg | yup |
| 18:52.36 | levi | I mounted a 21" LCD TV w/built-in DVD and a 12v power supply in my VW van for $230 + change for the mounting hardware. :) |
| 18:53.25 | levi | I'd have trouble finding a place to put it in a Mazda5, though. |
| 18:56.11 | TehLaser | remembers playing SNES on a 9" CRT TV in a (not mini) van about a decade ago. |
| 19:02.19 | sjansen | remember walking to school through the snow, uphill both ways |
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| 19:05.14 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/funny-pictures-cat-likes-salmon.jpg |
| 19:08.20 | goozbach | everytime sjansen posts and lolcat I have to go to Ihasahotdog.com |
| 19:08.25 | goozbach | :( |
| 19:09.03 | sjansen | Gogs is gud two. |
| 19:09.38 | goozbach | yesh! |
| 19:10.29 | goozbach | http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/funny-dog-pictures-caps-lock.jpg |
| 19:10.36 | sjansen | "Guys, I point my pants on just like the rest of you: one leg at a time. Except once my pants are on, I make gold records." |
| 19:10.55 | levi | MORE COWBELL |
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| 19:25.25 | elg | ~goozbach++ |
| 19:28.47 | goozbach | ~karma goozbach |
| 19:28.47 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 4 |
| 19:28.50 | goozbach | wow! |
| 19:29.09 | sjansen | ~karma sjansen |
| 19:29.09 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 9 |
| 19:29.22 | sjansen | Huh. |
| 19:29.30 | sjansen | Wonder when that happened. |
| 19:29.42 | goozbach | ~sjansen++ |
| 19:29.51 | sjansen | Obvious grade inflation if ever I've seen it. |
| 19:29.56 | goozbach | sjansen: slowly, over many years |
| 19:30.04 | levi | So, I installed Windows 7 on a spare partition on my media center PC downstairs. |
| 19:30.11 | goozbach | ~levi-- |
| 19:30.38 | sjansen | And it immediately started to eat kittens? |
| 19:30.41 | levi | So much less pain than setting a Linux box up as a media center. |
| 19:30.57 | levi | Plus I can run Hulu Desktop and games. |
| 19:31.09 | sjansen | declares levi a pirate and demands he walk the plank |
| 19:31.32 | levi | Though I have to use xbmc's mythtv support instead of mythtv, since there aren't Windows binaries of mythtv's frontend yet. |
| 19:32.50 | sjansen | media center == pirate control panel |
| 19:33.01 | sjansen | reports levi to the RIAA, MPAA and Stasi |
| 19:33.21 | levi | Nah, it's all recorded from OTA broadcast. |
| 19:33.56 | goozbach | Stasi? |
| 19:33.58 | levi | I did download one of the games I installed, but only because the CDs have nasty copy protection and I don't have a CD drive on this box. |
| 19:34.22 | sjansen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi |
| 19:34.41 | levi | And the Windows 7 install is the release candidate, which is free. |
| 19:35.20 | sjansen | So you admit to stealing content over the air and from the Net. |
| 19:35.22 | levi | I got a free Vista license from Microsoft through school, though. |
| 19:35.35 | sjansen | ~report levi |
| 19:35.57 | levi | Hey, I used the CD key I own to install the software, so it's fully licensed. |
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| 19:38.50 | sojourner | levi: you get to do it all over again on June 1st next year, and then the pain gets worse |
| 19:38.54 | sojourner | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/faq.aspx |
| 19:41.00 | levi | sojourner: It took me a couple of hours to get everything running, most of which was download/install time. Very little tweaking was required. Pretty much dead simple. |
| 19:41.52 | sojourner | but your license will expire, so i don't consider it to be free :) |
| 19:42.03 | levi | I don't care what you consider to be free. |
| 19:42.19 | levi | And I was well aware of the expiration, and I'm fine with it. |
| 19:44.02 | levi | Rather than causing pain, the experience was actually *pleasant* and the results are better than my Linux setup, which *did* cause significant pain to set up. |
| 19:45.48 | levi | I was planning on just using this install for games and Hulu Desktop, but it plays my MythTV-recorded video better and the XBMC interface to them is adequate, so I'll probably stick with it. |
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| 19:58.03 | sjansen | Heh. Following up on RMS's anti-wheel su, Fedora's patch to add PAM contains the following comment: |
| 19:58.15 | sjansen | + Actually, with PAM, su has nothing to do with whether or not a |
| 19:58.16 | sjansen | + wheel group is enforced by su. RMS tries to restrict your access |
| 19:58.16 | sjansen | + to a su which implements the wheel group, but PAM considers that |
| 19:58.16 | sjansen | + to be fascist, and gives the user/sysadmin the opportunity to |
| 19:58.16 | sjansen | + enforce a wheel group by proper editing of /etc/pam.conf |
| 19:59.59 | goozbach | nice! |
| 20:01.54 | sjansen | -(This section is by Richard Stallman.) |
| 20:01.54 | sjansen | - |
| 20:01.54 | sjansen | -@cindex Twenex |
| 20:01.54 | sjansen | -@cindex MIT AI lab |
| 20:01.54 | sjansen | -Sometimes a few of the users try to hold total power over all the |
| 20:01.54 | sjansen | -rest. For example, in 1984, a few users at the MIT AI lab decided to |
| 20:01.56 | sjansen | -seize power by changing the operator password on the Twenex system and |
| 20:01.58 | sjansen | -keeping it secret from everyone else. (I was able to thwart this coup |
| 20:02.00 | sjansen | -and give power back to the users by patching the kernel, but I |
| 20:02.02 | sjansen | -wouldn't know how to do that in Unix.) |
| 20:02.04 | sjansen | - |
| 20:02.06 | sjansen | -However, occasionally the rulers do tell someone. Under the usual |
| 20:02.08 | sjansen | -@command{su} mechanism, once someone learns the root password who |
| 20:02.10 | sjansen | -sympathizes with the ordinary users, he or she can tell the rest. The |
| 20:02.14 | sjansen | -``wheel group'' feature would make this impossible, and thus cement the |
| 20:02.16 | sjansen | -power of the rulers. |
| 20:02.18 | sjansen | - |
| 20:02.20 | sjansen | -I'm on the side of the masses, not that of the rulers. If you are |
| 20:02.22 | sjansen | -used to supporting the bosses and sysadmins in whatever they do, you |
| 20:02.24 | sjansen | -might find this idea strange at first. |
| 20:03.28 | levi | RMS, hippy anarchist freak. :) |
| 20:07.18 | elg | hahah |
| 20:07.47 | elg | if we all had the root passwords to everything, all our problems would be solved |
| 20:08.06 | elg | if only $IDEAL, all our problems would be solved |
| 20:08.19 | elg | a fallacy so many smart people fall for |
| 20:08.23 | elg | why is that? |
| 20:09.34 | Zelut | RMS is crazy |
| 20:28.13 | maquis | ooh... so, if everyone in the world had root access to the NSA servers.... |
| 20:28.28 | maquis | ooh... and the servers that control the nukes |
| 20:28.30 | maquis | that'd be good :P |
| 20:28.45 | goozbach | maquis: don't forget the youtube.com servers!!! |
| 20:28.53 | maquis | sorry... on my home machine, my hubby and i have root, and nobody else gets it... |
| 20:29.16 | sjansen | ~p0wn maquis |
| 20:29.17 | goozbach | that's funny |
| 20:29.38 | maquis | down the road, i'm willing to give my children root access to the machines that they will be using |
| 20:29.54 | maquis | once they know how to use root access responsibly |
| 20:30.04 | mulicheng | My children currently have 0 privileges. |
| 20:30.08 | goozbach | we were having a conversation last weekend, and one of my UBER paranoid friends said that even his wife doesn't have root access to any of his machines, nor does she know any of his less-important passwords. |
| 20:30.25 | goozbach | he's got a sheet of paper in a safety deposit box with all of them written down |
| 20:30.33 | goozbach | so when he goes, she can have them. |
| 20:30.46 | goozbach | that's the only way he'll give is PW to anyone else |
| 20:31.00 | maquis | doesn't mind her hubby having root access |
| 20:31.28 | maquis | makes life a lot easier if we can both get root on the box |
| 20:32.44 | goozbach | meh, that's what sudo is for |
| 20:32.46 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:33.35 | maquis | usually |
| 20:33.35 | mulicheng | Once a box is installed, even the admin rarely needs root if sudo is working correctly. |
| 20:33.40 | maquis | goozbach: i guess i consider sudo access and root access equivalent |
| 20:34.02 | mulicheng | guess it technically is if they can sudo su - |
| 20:34.09 | mulicheng | or sudo passwd or whatever. |
| 20:34.12 | maquis | i'm pretty sure my hubby knows what the root password is, but i know he has full sudo access |
| 20:34.14 | elg | sudo -i |
| 20:34.37 | Zelut | why is there not a macport for ipython? |
| 20:34.38 | maquis | goozbach: so, how does your uber-paranoid friend keep his wife from booting into single-user mode? |
| 20:34.49 | goozbach | maquis: bios password, and grub password |
| 20:34.57 | elg | maquis: automated assault rifles and a motion detector. |
| 20:35.02 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 20:35.07 | goozbach | and I wouldn't put it past him to have a locked case |
| 20:35.19 | maquis | that is uber-paranoid |
| 20:35.51 | sjansen | sudo -i |
| 20:36.41 | sjansen | sudo is a pain |
| 20:36.53 | sjansen | Give me su or give me death! |
| 20:37.09 | unum | sudo su :) |
| 20:37.20 | sjansen | ~language unum |
| 20:37.21 | ibot | ACTION grabs unum by the ear and washes unum's mouth out with soap |
| 20:37.35 | maquis | sudo zsh also works :P |
| 20:37.45 | unum | how to make an assignment to an unsigned char * |
| 20:38.40 | sjansen | unsigned char *foo = 0; |
| 20:40.18 | unum | ok but let's say I actually wanted a string in there |
| 20:40.38 | mulicheng | you can cast it can't you? |
| 20:41.07 | mulicheng | unsigned char* foo = (unsigned char*)"My String"; // or static_cast<unsigned char*>("My String"); |
| 20:41.24 | sjansen | typedef uchar unsigned char *; |
| 20:41.44 | sjansen | s/ \*$// |
| 20:41.57 | sjansen | uchar *foo = (uchar *)"bar"; |
| 20:42.38 | unum | I thought I had tried typecasting earlier and it didn't work |
| 20:42.42 | unum | must have had a typo |
| 20:42.45 | unum | thanks |
| 20:43.12 | tensai | I dunno. unsigned char *foo = "foo"; worked for me |
| 20:43.48 | sjansen | tensai: You fool! You'll destroy the fabric of space and time that way! |
| 20:44.33 | unum | tensai: on gcc? |
| 20:44.38 | tensai | sjansen: good. that's on my bucket list. |
| 20:44.41 | tensai | unum: yeah |
| 20:44.43 | unum | huh |
| 20:45.45 | sjansen | tensai didn't include --fascist in CCFLAGS. |
| 20:46.27 | tensai | http://pastebin.com/d577cedda |
| 20:46.35 | unum | aaah that could explain it |
| 20:48.49 | tensai | unum: now you've got me curious. what error are you getting? |
| 20:50.44 | unum | invalid conversion from `const char*' to `unsigned char*' |
| 20:52.03 | badon | unum: are you going to the conference? |
| 20:52.13 | unum | badon: no |
| 20:52.44 | badon | unum: ah, darn. there's some cool stuff going on there. |
| 20:53.11 | unum | ya there is, but my work won't pay me to be there |
| 20:53.34 | badon | unum: haha, you won't do it for the higher good? :) |
| 20:53.57 | unum | used up all my days off |
| 20:54.04 | badon | Oh, I see |
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| 21:15.57 | sjansen | unum: Your problem is the const, not the unsigned. |
| 21:17.27 | sjansen | Perhaps you can get your doctor to sign a note explaining that you are gravely ill and the only cure is hanging out with a large group of Linux enthusiasts. |
| 21:18.54 | mulicheng | On the slightly connected topic of const correctness, I find it kind of funny that most programmers, given the const cast error, simply cast the const off of the data and go on. Isn't there a pretty good reason it is const? |
| 21:20.02 | sjansen | Not always. |
| 21:20.20 | mulicheng | Well, of course there are exceptions, I'm just saying in general. |
| 21:21.08 | unum | I don't think you can "cast the const off" you create a new variable |
| 21:21.09 | mulicheng | e.g., I find it better to say const uchar* rather than cast your const uchar* to a uchar* |
| 21:21.14 | unum | in which case it doesn't matter if you change it |
| 21:22.25 | unum | of course if you are going to do that, there's no point to passing by reference |
| 21:22.26 | mulicheng | uchar* x = const_cast<uchar*>(some_const_uchar*); |
| 21:23.26 | sjansen | unum: You can cast the const off. |
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| 21:28.24 | mulicheng | I was just suggesting that it's better (in general of course) to use: |
| 21:28.24 | mulicheng | const uchar* x = some_const_uchar*; |
| 21:28.24 | mulicheng | instead of the const_cast. |
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| 21:38.01 | unum | http://www.fmylife.com/work/5527789 |
| 21:38.03 | unum | I like that |
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| 22:16.54 | brac | not through |
| 22:21.15 | unum | I need to force samba to update its db from ldap |
| 22:21.19 | unum | is there a way to do that |
| 22:59.29 | tensai | select * from customer where active = 'Y' and zip = '12345' or zip = '98765'; |
| 22:59.37 | tensai | ugh, how stupid! |
| 22:59.53 | JoshH | hey 12345 is my zip code |
| 23:00.24 | jlp_work | JoshH: you live in Schenectady? |
| 23:01.09 | JoshH | no |
| 23:01.17 | JoshH | but that would be cool if i did |
| 23:01.27 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 23:02.07 | mulicheng | Did you short circuit your active='Y' with the second zip=? |
| 23:02.25 | mulicheng | active='Y' and (zip=1 or zip=2) |
| 23:03.01 | mulicheng | or maybe since active='Y' was first, it is ok. |
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| 23:10.19 | tensai | yes, it short circuited and I got quite a few more results than I expected |
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| 23:18.06 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 23:18.06 | ibot | shoots elg in the head |
| 23:32.30 | Lars-UT | tensai: select * from customer where active = 'Y' AND zip in('12345','98765') |
| 23:32.39 | Lars-UT | but I'm sure you already know that. |
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