IRC log for #utah on 20090925

00:21.33blendmaster1024HOLY FETCHING... utosc is only two weeks away this morning!!
00:34.14badonutosc?
00:34.33badonis new here
00:34.41blendmaster1024utah open source conference - 2009.utosc.com
00:35.03badonoh, cool. I didn't know Utah was big enough for that.
00:35.32blendmaster1024you going?
00:35.41blendmaster1024wait, lemme rephrase that.
00:35.44blendmaster1024you're going.
00:36.21badonthanks :)
00:37.29blendmaster1024;) of course i dont mean to be pushy i mean to be playful - and tired+distracted+promoting.
00:37.35badonis the BSD devil girl going to be there? :)
00:38.07blendmaster1024?
00:38.20badonhttp://images.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=BSD%20devil%20girl&sourceid=opera&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
00:38.48blendmaster1024oh ... probably not
00:38.52badon:(
00:39.37badonDiscounts available for:
00:39.37badonStudents and Local User Group Members
00:39.44blendmaster1024you get one
00:39.45badonis this a local user group?
00:39.53blendmaster1024close enough
00:39.56badonwhat's the cost for full access?
00:40.00badonwith discount
00:40.01blendmaster1024$75
00:40.05blendmaster1024oh, $35
00:40.12badonthat's reasonable
00:40.17badonfor a 3 day event
00:40.47badonI can use the rest of the money I save to hire a BSD devil girl escort.
00:40.52blendmaster1024promo code is SLLUG just like the topic says
00:41.38badonk
00:41.46badonjust in the nick of time too
00:41.53badonknick? nick?
00:41.58badonI dunno
00:42.06badonnever seen it in writing before
00:42.20badonanyway, the 26th cost goes up.
00:43.19badonIt's at the sandy SLCC campus?
00:43.24blendmaster1024it does? what's today?
00:43.29blendmaster1024uh-oh
00:43.30badon24th
00:43.33badonyeah :)
00:43.38badonI think bus 217 goes by there
00:43.44blendmaster1024i have 99% of disk space... USED!!!
00:43.51badonI'll have to sell my car to get the $35 to go
00:43.52blendmaster1024put dramatically
00:43.55blendmaster1024lol
00:44.02badon:)
00:44.17badonIt's worth every penny
00:44.20blendmaster1024well how bad do you want to go?
00:44.27badonJust kidding, I don't even have a car!
00:44.35blendmaster1024lol
00:44.55badonI love the bus. How else can you experience so many different body odors in just 4 hours?
00:45.05blendmaster1024lolol
00:45.44blendmaster1024i have too many debian cd images - they take up 50% of my 160 GB HD
00:46.02blendmaster1024well, maybe 25%
00:46.09badonI have Solaris and FreeBSD images.
00:46.18badonI suppose I might need an Ubuntu image soon
00:46.27badoncrossplatform and all...
00:46.50badonI've been testing wuala, but #Tahoe looks interesting
00:47.13badonAll my old retired drives are going to eventually go into an online storage pool trade
00:47.19blendmaster1024oh
00:47.25badonI don't trust wuala
00:47.30badonnot open source
00:47.33badon#tahoe is though
00:47.34blendmaster1024:)
00:48.38badonI haven't done any programming in like 3 years
00:48.45badonI'd like to get back into it.
00:48.59badonPython
00:49.01badonyay
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02:23.32badonanybody got the address to the conference?
02:26.17Jayce^it's at the slcc lhm center
02:26.25Jayce^like 100 s or so
02:27.04badonit's got to be further south than that if it's in sandy
02:27.26badonI think you may be thinking of the Arena on south temple
02:29.15Jayce^bah, their site sucks
02:29.20badonyeah
02:29.42Jayce^no, one-hundred  like between 90th and 103 exits
02:29.57blendmaster1024that would be 1000 s
02:29.57Jayce^eg 10000
02:30.05blendmaster1024oh right
02:30.08badonright
02:30.21badon10000 south
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02:30.52badon100 south and 10000 south are FAAAAR away from each other :)
02:30.55blendmaster1024yike! it's the one pirate guy!
02:31.03blendmaster1024badon, :)
02:34.43Jayce^yeah, so you don't refer to the 90th exit, or 123rd?
02:36.56badonno, because that would be ambiguous with downtown.
02:37.32badon9000 south is at 9000 south, and 90 s and 123 s are very far away from those
02:37.35badonit's a sandy thing
02:37.49Jayce^or it's just a downtown thing :)
02:37.50badonthey shorten it for their area because it's tedious to say
02:38.08badonyeah :)
02:39.48badonA sandy funeral I went to was listed as being at 106th south. people from all over the country went to downtown SLC looking for this funeral in one of the big office buildings at 106th south, when really, it was at 10600 south.
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15:42.48unumwow redhat does a lot of non-critical updates on their long term support releases
15:45.24unummaybe those are all coming from my alt repositories forg about that
15:49.13sjansenDepends on what you mean by "non-critical".
15:49.44unumthat's true
15:50.03unumof course this server has a lot more software on it than I install on my servers
15:50.43sjansenWith each major update (e.g. RHEL 5 Update 4), they add new features. Perhaps that's what you're seeing.
15:51.03unumya I think that's what I'm seeing
15:51.06sjansenWhat alt repos are you using?
15:51.54unumdag
15:52.00unumand utter ramblings
15:52.19unumthough I blocked them out because of some issues was I seeing
15:52.27unumthough I may have just had to run clean
15:52.31badonunum: Hi. Did you switch from Debian to RH?
15:52.47unummy employer uses RH
15:52.51badonoh that's right
15:52.57unumI still use debian on all my personal machines
15:53.14badonI guess that says which one you like the best :)
15:53.19sjansenDo those repos provide anything you absolutely need?
15:53.36sjansenThe only repo I recommend for production use is EPEL.
15:53.42sjansenMaybe JPackage.
15:53.59unumyes they do
15:54.06unumthough those other ones may have it as well
15:54.17unumthough I should have documented what was so important.....
15:54.50JoshHis that the server you were talking about yesterday that never gets any security updates applied?
15:54.52unumI think it may have been updated versions of certain packages
15:56.08goozbachepel and rpmforge, and centosPlus
15:56.17goozbachthat's what I run on my centos boxes
15:56.22goozbachin production
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16:06.28unumit looks like I have completely hosed things on this box
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16:20.29sjansenAt least you have the guts to admit it.
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16:51.57Sargun_CirceHoly crap
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17:00.20sjansenWhat an odd choice of subject for veneration.
17:01.05goozbachsjansen: maybe he's just describing attributes?
17:03.37sojournerchalk that up to just another weird religion in the world
17:04.29fungusis it any stranger than worshiping a dude that just won't stay dead?
17:18.10JoshHlike who?
17:22.52fungussome dude named haysoos, or something like that.
17:31.42badonDracula
17:31.45badonthat's his name
17:31.54badonhmm
17:31.57badonI wonder...
17:32.04badonDracula = Jesus?
17:32.13badonThey're both undead
17:32.21badonthey both insist on drinking blood
17:32.52badonat least symbolically
17:33.26fungusooh, I think you are on to something.
17:34.42Migsin Gabriel Knight 3, the vampires spawned from drinking the blood of Jesus
17:34.50Migsthat's, like, how vampires started
17:35.20Migsties in with the whole san greal/sang real thing that The Da Vinci Code stole
17:35.40Migscould there be some truth to all this?
17:35.49funguswow, so christians are trying to become vampires symbolicly.
17:37.08badonfungus: aren't vampires christian?
17:37.19badonI mean, the whole cross thing...
17:37.29fungusyes, but not all christians are true vampires
17:37.45badon"no! a cross! I'm afraid of crosses! wooo!"
17:37.54badonin otherwords, crucifixion = bad
17:38.09badonfungus: nobody's perfect
17:38.21fungusbut they are trying to be.  
17:38.23sjansenspeak for yourself
17:38.27fungusthat's admirable
17:38.33badonfungus: the ressurection promises that everyone can be undead someday
17:38.44fungussjansen is already a vampire.
17:38.53Migsdon't you see...that would make the perfect vampire.  A vampire who's immune to crosses.
17:39.25fungusSo the "second coming" is going to be like Night of the Living Dead?
17:39.38fungusI better go back to church.
17:39.58stderrif somebody rises from the dead, I'm not checking to see if he's Jesus or not, I'm unloadin with my shotgun
17:40.16badonstderr: if he's jesus, it's OK. If he's not, it's OK.
17:40.23badonstderr: It works on witches too.
17:41.00badonexcept, and old pond can work for holy water in drowing mode
17:41.09badonany
17:52.04Migsjust to be safe, better throw them in the Ganges
18:46.44elghttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8274065.stm
18:46.46brac[BBC NEWS | Americas | US census worker hanging probed]
18:46.56elg"The FBI is investigating whether Mr Sparkman was victim of anti-government sentiment. " ya think?
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18:58.11fungusyikes, don't move to Kentucky, they are crazy.
19:00.21Migsya that sort of thing happens all the time there
19:00.28Migsnot even sure why it's really news, in fact
19:01.10Jayce^apparently made more news because there were several 'leaks' about it (the FED tie-in, etc) that they're saying weren't true..
19:01.19Jayce^so even more interesting stuff around it
19:04.10fungushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE
19:10.29Jayce^no video, but a better version of the song (for those familiar with the toy dolls) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTEMhHRYC0s
19:12.02fungusYeah but the video is the important part.  You gotta see the creepy hicks
19:24.24sjansenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioD7gp41GYU
19:27.35badonOK, I'm registered for the conference!
19:27.46badonThanks for telling me about it guys.
19:28.13badonI wonder what the $300 guru thing is...
19:28.24bgerberAnyone know of any job openings for Unix/Linux Sysadmins and Network Engineers?  prefer work from home... Thanks,
19:29.20Migs"JESSICA BIEL - will go to Africa and climb Mt. Kilimanjaro in January to raise awareness about the need for clean water worldwide. Didn.t Rome have clean running water like 3000 years ago? Are the countries who can.t even filter water yet really worth saving? What.s the goal for the year 2500? Shoes? "
19:29.21Migshahaha
19:31.01badonI will use deodorant today to raise awareness about <insert totally unrelated cause here>
19:31.36elgsheesh, almost all the pools in the area here are outdoors and don't have rec swim outside of summer
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19:32.23elgeven las cruces had an indoor pool open year round
19:32.58TeneMigs: rome used lead for much of its water infrastructure, leading some to suspect massive lead poisoning as a contribution to the fall of rome.
19:33.02TeneMigs: Or so I hear.
19:33.42elgrome fell because of socialist health care. duh.
19:33.51Teneorite
19:43.08Migshas history taught us nothing?
19:46.00mulichengRome fell because of what was in ceasar's last breath: http://www.phy.cuhk.edu.hk/phyworld/articles/caesar/caesar_e.html
19:46.02brac[Further physics - The last breath of Caesar]
19:46.21badonrome fell because Aloric said so
19:48.10Migsrome fell because your mom sat down in the colliseum
19:50.58fungusrome fell?
19:51.25fadeincould it get back up?
19:52.28badonno
19:52.42badonIt had a red headed step child named Britain
19:52.53badonWho in turn had a bastard named America
19:53.28sjansenthreatens to send badon to Guantanamo for being unpatriotic
19:53.55stderrjust elevate his feet, I'll waterboard em myself
19:58.18unumspeaking of step children
19:58.36unumif you're a step father is usually best to just let other assume you are the father?
20:00.42Sargundepends, do the kids know
20:01.17unumwell so far the kid is 18 months
20:01.24levielg: Actually, John Birchers claim that the Roman Republic fell due to welfare handouts.
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20:01.38elgI like the lead theory
20:02.11elgbut his mom is a good candidate too.
20:02.16leviWell, the fall of the Republic was the beginning of the Empire.
20:02.35Migsand we all know where that leads...
20:02.35leviWhich lasted for quite a long time, so I don't think lead poisoning could have caused both. :)
20:02.38JoshHsame with star wars
20:03.07Migsmaybe Empires are just the natural evolution of a Republic
20:03.21leviDude, someone must have had a time machine and taken the Star Wars movies back to the ancient Romans!
20:03.26elgoh, trick question! ;)
20:03.55elgcan we blame star wars I-III on lead poisoning?
20:04.06MigsI don't see why not
20:04.14leviSome sort of poisoning, anyway.
20:07.00unumthe problem is they were handing out weapons
20:07.24unumthe handing out of weapons did precede the empire
20:07.38unumso don't hand out weapons as part of the welfare system
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20:15.34badonunum: you mean to the foederati?
20:15.41badonlike Alaric?
20:17.42badonThey did do that. He sacked some towns, and they said "please stop, we'll give you money and weapons and command of our armies if you do"
20:20.05unumI think at one point they armed the plebs
20:20.16badondang plebs
20:20.29badongive em and inch and they take mile
20:20.32badonan
20:20.33unumyou shouldn't let them have anything more dangoureous than string
20:20.41badonhmm
20:20.48badonthat might be too much...
20:24.14leviThe big problem with the Roman Republic was that all the citizen farmers got shipped off to war, and came back unable to make a living farming anymore.
20:25.29badonoh, that was early on
20:25.34badonbefore the marius reforms I think
20:25.37sjansenThe Democrats destroyed the Roman Republic.
20:25.45badonsjansen: could be
20:26.05leviYes, but that was the cause of the doles.
20:26.06badonI think it was just a Carthage waiting to happen. Politics destroyed it.
20:26.13badonlevi: ah
20:26.27badonlevi: yeah, they started the doles then to prevent revolt
20:26.38badoniirc
20:27.04sjansenThere was a second gunman on the grassy knoll, he destroyed the republic.
20:27.06badonMost of what I know about Rome I learned from Unum :)
20:27.37badonI don't have to read books about it, just get unum talking :)
20:29.56sjansenThere was no Roman republican. It's just a lie invented by zionists.
20:30.42JoshHhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2009/sep/25/sonic-cannon-g20-pittsburgh
20:30.53JoshHg20 protesters blasted by sonic cannon
20:32.19stderrspeaking of Rome, anybody watched the HBO series?
20:32.34fungusgotta keep those hippies down
20:33.04fungusdamn commies deserve a sonic cannon
20:33.21JoshHstderr, i've seen the first few episodes
20:33.27stderrJoshH: that's nothing, did you see the snatch and grab?
20:33.28JoshHalways wanted to finish it but haven't gotten around to it
20:33.38JoshHnope
20:33.40stderrhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/24/g20-protest-photos-vote-o_n_298692.html
20:33.41brac[G20 PROTESTS: Men In Military Fatigues Snatch Protester (VIDEO, PHOTOS)]
20:33.57stderrJoshH: it's pretty fantastic, one of my favorite series.
20:34.10JoshHya, i know i would like it
20:34.11stderrnsfw-ish language in video, btw
20:34.35JoshHwow, pittsburgh looks like a war zone
20:34.37fadeinthat's not a sonic cannon.  the swat team didn't know how to turn off their car alarm
20:34.49fadeinembarassing, really
20:34.55stderrfadein: haha.
20:36.19fadeinreally though, is there any non-controversial way the police can handle protesters?
20:36.48fadeinseems like a sticky wicket no matter how you approach it
20:37.21fungusYes, leave them alone.
20:37.23sjansenSure, they could invite them to tea but give them the wrong address.
20:37.43sojournerthe police could just stand in front of them and put flowers in their mouths
20:37.45stderrdirect them to a gym with a number of beer kegs and lock em in
20:37.46fungusprotesting != violence
20:38.18sjansen~calm fungus
20:38.18ibotACTION sooths fungus, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm fungus down.
20:38.26JoshHi think just leaving them alone as long as they don't start smashing stuff is fine
20:38.28sjansenI said calm down~
20:38.30sjansen!
20:38.35sjansen~quiet fungus
20:38.42sjansen~beat fungus
20:38.43ibotACTION beats fungus with a very wet, sticky noodle
20:38.44fungusthat feels better, thank you.
20:38.46fadeinfungus: I don't disagree with that.
20:38.50sjansen~disappear fungus
20:39.18sjansenfungus? There is no fungus.
20:40.12Jayce^do not truffle with the humungous fungus
20:40.12Jayce^</munchkin>
20:40.12stderroh great now we're breathing fungus
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20:41.41badonI'm curious how everyone thinks my nick is pronunced?
20:41.47badonpronounced
20:42.03vaporhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL8
20:42.59MigsI'm pronounce it like the "badon" in "badonkadonk"
20:43.43JoshHbad-on, rhyming with strapon
20:43.58funguslol
20:44.29fungusbay-don as in Radon
20:45.20unumI'm with fungus on this
20:46.03unumbut I'm not into pegging
20:46.29sjansenI pronounce it "purple" as in or-an-juh.
20:46.57unumI'm actually unsure as to the pronuciation of my nick
20:47.12unumI think I checked it on wikipedia and I pronounce it mostly right
20:47.19unumwhich is pretty good fore me
20:47.34unumI pronounce as bad as I type :)
20:48.08fungusunum: my computer says your name like oonum
20:48.38fadeinunum: your nick is the name of an insurance company?
20:49.06fungusit announces anyone that mentions my name when xchat isn't in the foreground
20:49.22fadeinunum: oh, i missed the disambiguation page
20:49.26JoshHi love say on apples
20:49.34fungusyup, me too
20:49.39JoshHi can ssh to my wife's imac and have it get her attention as long as the audio is up
20:49.42JoshHand say funny stuff too
20:50.02unumI pronounce it oonum as well
20:50.07JoshHit would be awesome if linux had that somehow
20:50.29fungusI wrote an xchat plugin that does ssh mac say Attention, $whom mentioned you
20:50.54fungusreally useful when I'm not paying attention.
20:53.13stderrnon techies think my handle is "St. Derr"
20:53.21stderror a reference to an std
20:58.04goozbachwell getting an STD would be an error
20:58.08goozbachso that makes sense
20:59.00fadeinJoshH: have you played with http://www.speechio.org/ ?  It implements /dev/speech, and reads aloud the text piped to it
20:59.20JoshHnever
20:59.33Migssite doesn't work
20:59.41Migs<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
20:59.44Migslolwut
20:59.49fadeinJoshH: there's also festival ttp://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/
21:00.02fadeinoops, double paste
21:00.08JoshHcool, i'll check those out
21:01.19fadeingoogle cache says that speechio.org was up three days ago
21:01.53Migshaha http://www.speechio.org/fail/
21:01.54brac[Browser Not Supported]
21:02.08MigsI love when sites instantly tell IE users how much their browser sucks
21:02.38JoshHme too
21:02.45JoshHi wish more did that
21:03.16fungusthe voices that come with festival really suck.
21:07.41badonJoshH: I pronounce it "bay-don"
21:07.54badonfungus has it right
21:09.09fungusheh, the Mac says it bay-den
21:09.10Migsthen you're pronouncing it wrong
21:09.18MigsIt's "buh-don"
21:10.18badonfungus: I think "bay-den" is close enough
21:10.34badonBadon hill is named after me
21:11.45MigsI pronounce that "Buh-don" too
21:11.56Migsand are you sure it isn't the other way around?
21:14.55badonMigs: I get confused about that.
21:15.04badonActually, I picked the nick when I couldn't figure out what w
21:15.09badonActually, I picked the nick when I couldn't figure out what what nick I wanted
21:15.31badonI didn't want one that other people wanted, so I wouldn't have to fight over it.
21:15.44badonSo I just random clacked on my keyboard and "badon" came out
21:15.49stupidfacetoo
21:15.59badonalternating consonants and vowels, so it works
21:16.20badonmy alter ego is armpithair
21:16.21badon:)
21:17.34badonI like squidface too :)
21:17.45badon:*
21:18.29badonWhen I played counterstrike back in the 90's I wanted "testicleez" but it was taken
21:19.07fungustesticleez?  rofl.
21:19.32badonhehe
21:19.36badonI thought so too :)
21:20.02fungushas been fungus for 15 years
21:20.14badonI have been badon since 1994 I think
21:20.33badonis that 15 years?
21:20.37badonyep
21:20.48badonI don't remember for sure thought
21:20.50badonthough
21:21.06badonWhen did the first IRC network get created?
21:21.25badon89?
21:21.42badonI think I was on EFnet when it was new, like 1993 or something
21:21.48badonsomewhere around there
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22:37.45sjansenArgh!
22:38.05sjansenAnyone know what would cause the child of an suid process to revert to its original uid?
22:54.22sjansenBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
22:55.15unumyou could switch to tcsh
22:55.19unumit's all the rage these days
22:57.26mulichengI hate it when you pipe the output of a program to some other program, but the 2nd doesn't have permissions.
22:57.27mulichengsudo ./somecommand | grep something > output # woops
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