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| 16:22.23 | levi | Poor sjansen |
| 16:22.31 | Tene | sjansen: just pay the ransom and everybody can be happy again. |
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| 16:42.41 | TehLaser | anyone know of a reason I woudln't be able to partition my disk thus: sda1 sda2 sda3 <sda5 sda6 sda7> sda4? |
| 16:43.49 | sojourner | too many primary partitions |
| 16:43.49 | Tene | TehLaser: what do you mean by the <>s? |
| 16:44.10 | sojourner | 5 6 and 7 are on an extended partition |
| 16:44.23 | sojourner | thus, taking up one of four primary |
| 16:44.32 | TehLaser | Tene: same thing dmesg does. 5 6 and 7 are logical partitions inside 3, an extended partition |
| 16:45.04 | sojourner | so 3 is your extended then? |
| 16:45.16 | TehLaser | sojourner: yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 16:45.32 | sojourner | k |
| 16:46.03 | TehLaser | actually, at the moment, 3 goes to the end of the disk. I'm trying to shrink 7, then shrink 3, and create 4. |
| 16:46.29 | sojourner | is there any data on the logical partitions currently? |
| 16:46.37 | TehLaser | they're lvm pvs |
| 16:46.53 | TehLaser | i'm pvmoving the stuff on the end of 7 to the beginning. |
| 16:47.38 | sjansen | TehLaser: Have you tried? I've seen Linux fdisk create that time of partition map, but don't expect it get along well of your OS. |
| 16:47.51 | sojourner | "should" work, though i haven't had an opportunity to play with lvm much |
| 16:47.55 | sjansen | Linux might put up with it, but Windows will definitely freak. |
| 16:48.04 | TehLaser | sjansen: trying now, but pvmove is slow. :) |
| 16:48.12 | TehLaser | windows is not a concern. |
| 16:48.21 | sojourner | only when its running ;) |
| 16:48.47 | TehLaser | I don't even have a windows license for this machine anyhow. |
| 16:49.12 | TehLaser | 1 is /boot, 2 is swap, 5,6 and 7 are pvs, and 4 is (hopefully) going to be a bsd slice. |
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| 17:03.14 | TehLaser | well, looks like linux is happy with it |
| 17:04.53 | TehLaser | cfdisk is pissed though |
| 17:05.07 | TehLaser | "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition ends in the final partial cylind" |
| 17:06.23 | fungus | TehLaser, it's possible. |
| 17:06.24 | fungus | http://pastebin.com/m40b7ce5 |
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| 17:10.00 | TehLaser | http://pastebin.com/d1c444e17 is what I ended up with |
| 17:11.10 | elg | http://developers.facebook.com/news.php?blog=1&story=301 |
| 17:11.29 | elg | python web server focused on realtime |
| 17:11.35 | elg | (powered friendfeed) |
| 17:11.53 | stderr | elg: very nice. |
| 17:13.44 | TehLaser | s/server/framework/, but yeah, still nice. |
| 17:15.05 | elg | server framework then |
| 17:15.11 | elg | you don't run it on apache |
| 17:15.29 | elg | it is a server. it's also a framework |
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| 17:39.26 | TehLaser | elg: well, according to that article, they run it on nginx. |
| 17:40.08 | TehLaser | That's quite possibly some sort of reverse proxy though. |
| 17:42.29 | TehLaser | taking another look, yeah, I think that's what they're doing for that big bar. |
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| 18:54.20 | sjansen | http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=157&sid=7870071 |
| 18:54.20 | sjansen | http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=128&sid=7865163 |
| 18:54.20 | sjansen | http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/10/wilson.online.backlash/index.html |
| 18:54.21 | brac | [ksl.com - Congress' other Wilson says: I'm not the heckler] |
| 18:54.22 | brac | [ksl.com - Obama accepts lawmaker's apology for floor remark] |
| 18:54.23 | brac | [Two words make Joe Wilson an Internet sensation - CNN.com] |
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| 19:49.53 | sjansen | ~swirly elg |
| 19:55.01 | Jayce^ | ooh, video on the ATK firing today.. http://www.fox13now.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=d90833d0-c692-4a9b-bdd6-0237b137632c&cat=empty&src=front&title=Raw%20Video:%20ATK%20Rocket%20Test |
| 20:01.18 | goozbach | that happend today? |
| 20:01.28 | goozbach | where bouts? |
| 20:04.17 | sjansen | I have to admit, I'm an su kinda guy, but in general I don't have a problem with sudo. |
| 20:04.37 | sjansen | However, I just discovered one case where sudo is clearly inferior. |
| 20:05.03 | sjansen | zcat server.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 20:05.40 | sjansen | su -c 'zcat server.img.gz > /dev/sda' # works |
| 20:05.55 | sjansen | sudo zcat server.img.gz > /dev/sda # doesn't work |
| 20:08.26 | fungus | sudo sh -c "zcat server.img.gz > /dev/sda" |
| 20:09.17 | fungus | not as simple, but then you get sudo power |
| 20:09.32 | sjansen | Sure, there's a work around. But you have to admit, you had to scratch your head for a moment to realize why it didn't work. |
| 20:12.20 | fungus | Yes, I bump into that problem a lot. |
| 20:15.40 | JoshH | i use sudo for one off commands, but i've basically replaced usage of su with sudo -s for when i want an actual root shell |
| 20:19.17 | goozbach | I just run su - once at the start of the day |
| 20:19.21 | goozbach | and then I'm good |
| 20:19.38 | JoshH | i even do sudo -i instead of that |
| 20:24.15 | Jayce^ | goozbach: I thought you just logged in as root ? |
| 20:24.45 | unum | from the gui! |
| 20:29.19 | goozbach | Jayce^: well yeah |
| 20:29.24 | goozbach | ssh login as root |
| 20:29.26 | goozbach | via key |
| 20:29.52 | Jayce^ | bah, keys, everybody has those... make them type a password... more secure, then you know it's a person... :-p |
| 20:32.49 | goozbach | good point |
| 20:32.58 | goozbach | I use abc123 as my root password |
| 20:33.07 | goozbach | it has numbers and letters int it |
| 20:33.22 | Jayce^ | 1..2..3..4.. "Hey, that's my luggage combo" |
| 20:33.34 | Jayce^ | (paraphrasing, can't remember his exact quote there) |
| 20:33.36 | unum | that's a bunch of conspiriacy theorist crap. we just use the login for the password |
| 20:34.20 | Jayce^ | oooh, cons-piracy... collusion of pirates out to overthrow the govt? |
| 20:35.09 | unum | oh, the rest of you were being sarcastic... |
| 20:35.34 | sjansen | scurries off to tell the Feds that Jayce^ is plotting to overthrow the govt |
| 20:35.50 | goozbach | he has the guns to do so |
| 20:35.59 | Jayce^ | flag@whitehouse.gov :-p |
| 20:36.14 | sjansen | And a compounds stocked with food. |
| 20:36.38 | sjansen | wonders if he'll be able to sell popcorn at the stand off |
| 20:36.38 | JoshH | please, please, overthrow the utah government first |
| 20:36.52 | JoshH | start with wimmer, buttars, valentine, and waddoups |
| 20:37.05 | Jayce^ | actually know a person that recently had a secret service visit because "somebody" said they were plotting a riot in IRC.. because they said they were attending a teaparty :) |
| 20:37.17 | JoshH | herbert honestly hasn't been quite as bad as i expected so far |
| 20:37.30 | JoshH | i think he's off to a fairly moderate start |
| 20:37.55 | JoshH | Jayce^, you think it's really true? that seems iffy to me |
| 20:38.10 | Jayce^ | yeah, that's what the quote was for the visit |
| 20:38.49 | Jayce^ | they were 'following up after doing some background checking".. |
| 20:39.10 | Jayce^ | it ended at the visit, said they were quite polite.. |
| 20:39.18 | Jayce^ | so it wasn't the hardcore visit |
| 20:39.18 | JoshH | well that's fairly unsettling |
| 20:39.35 | Jayce^ | mostly probably the way the 'informant' pitched it |
| 20:39.40 | sjansen | Dunno, about par for course with our govt lately. |
| 20:39.47 | JoshH | as much as i loathed the teabaggers, i certainly wouldn't ever want one to be interviewed just for talking about attending |
| 20:40.15 | sjansen | Better to overreact than be called to testify at a congressional hearing a year later. |
| 20:40.24 | JoshH | ya, i can see that |
| 20:40.26 | goozbach | HAH! |
| 20:40.26 | goozbach | http://digg.com/football/Animal_Shelter_Donating_Dog_Food_Every_Time_Vick_Is_Tackled? |
| 20:40.39 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 20:40.40 | JoshH | "we had a memo that this guy was a radical teabagger, but figured the intel wasn't credible enough to warrant an investigation" |
| 20:40.45 | JoshH | after he bombs a building or something |
| 20:41.04 | JoshH | kinda like the memos about the hijackers in flight school |
| 20:41.35 | JoshH | i wonder what kind of investigation went on with the guys who took their guns to townhalls |
| 20:41.47 | JoshH | as well as the sign about the tree of liberty needing refreshing |
| 20:43.21 | Jayce^ | probably better than the cnn investigation on the townhall opencarry :) |
| 20:44.05 | Jayce^ | my acquaintance noted they had info from private accounts and such (forum usernames, the like) they wanted him to verify and discuss |
| 20:45.32 | JoshH | same usernames as his irc nick? |
| 20:45.41 | JoshH | or otherwise googleable stuff |
| 20:46.09 | Jayce^ | meh, sometimes.. people like us would be better at finding it/hiding it though, yeah |
| 20:46.23 | Jayce^ | he's not a techie by any means |
| 20:46.56 | Jayce^ | but things like having an account on ar15.com was an issue :) (good forum for ar stuff) |
| 20:47.01 | JoshH | the arizona opencarry seemed like a legit way to make a statement to me, though i personally thought it was a little provocative |
| 20:47.17 | JoshH | but the guy in NH or wherever it was that had the sign too, was a loon |
| 20:47.39 | JoshH | the kind that gives gun rights people a bad name |
| 20:48.02 | JoshH | arizona has some great open carry laws |
| 20:48.03 | Jayce^ | most heavy opencarries do, but it is a right... (I think it just makes you a target ) |
| 20:48.15 | JoshH | you see bikers with guns on their hips riding around in phx |
| 20:48.17 | Jayce^ | UT's are fine enough.. just don't have it chambered |
| 20:48.28 | Jayce^ | VT's are great actually |
| 20:49.23 | JoshH | phoenix is an interesting place. such a huge metro area, yet so republican. much less blue than most big cities |
| 20:49.34 | sjansen | My boss has been doing open carry for months now. |
| 20:49.51 | sjansen | Most of the time it's a none issue. |
| 20:50.03 | JoshH | the fact that the republicans there tend to be less wacky and nutty than those in the bible belt, utah, alaska, etc probably helps though |
| 20:50.17 | JoshH | mccain for example is a great example of a moderate, reasonable republican |
| 20:50.34 | JoshH | so there are probably less otherwise conservative people who feel alienated by the stupidity |
| 20:51.36 | Jayce^ | moderate, reasonable == doing what I want :) |
| 20:52.11 | JoshH | not necessarily |
| 20:52.28 | JoshH | you can do what i don't want you to do in a rational, sane way that i can at least understand |
| 20:52.31 | sjansen | reasonable == not comparing opponents to Hitler |
| 20:52.38 | JoshH | or you could be a complete nutcase |
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| 20:53.33 | sjansen | reasonable == not writing books calling people who disagree morons |
| 20:56.06 | sjansen | reasonable == not giving the RIAA the right to remotely destroy any computer it feels like |
| 20:56.49 | JoshH | ya, most of utah's delegation doesn't meet my criteria for reasonable |
| 21:01.19 | stderr | ha. Joe Wilson's challenger has hit 500k already. |
| 21:02.01 | sjansen | stderr: URL? |
| 21:03.30 | stderr | ummm, just got told in another IRC channel. I'm sure thehill or politico has it, eine moment. |
| 21:04.00 | stderr | thehill is saying 400k |
| 21:04.03 | stderr | http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/58077-wilson-dem-challenger-raises-100k-in-8-hours |
| 21:04.59 | stderr | http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079 there's his donation page |
| 21:08.53 | stderr | checks his fantasy football matchups to determine how many players he has to watch tonight |
| 21:09.02 | levi | I wonder if there are other fundraising sources that bring it up to $500k. |
| 21:09.27 | levi | It still seems to be steadily climbing, though. |
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| 21:13.37 | levi | Some of the posts to the 'How to *NOT* sell Linux' thread on PLUG really make me facepalm. |
| 21:16.25 | sjansen | ~face levi |
| 21:16.28 | sjansen | ~palm levi |
| 21:16.33 | sjansen | ~facepalm levi |
| 21:17.27 | JoshH | ya, especially the ones by that stuart jansen guy |
| 21:17.38 | sjansen | ~facepalm levi |
| 21:17.38 | ibot | ACTION paints levi 's face with crushed heart of palm |
| 21:20.20 | sjansen | JoshH: You lie! |
| 21:21.47 | JoshH | yes, you're right, i am |
| 21:22.29 | eggyknap | synic: ping |
| 21:22.44 | sjansen | invites everyone to donate to his campaign in opposition to JoshH |
| 21:24.04 | JoshH | sjansen: though i do think the left field problems you mention don't strike that often or affect that many users |
| 21:24.33 | JoshH | and most people do use their computers for gmail and facebook only |
| 21:24.42 | sjansen | "Stuart Jansen! He's not Joe Wilson _or_ Rob Miller and he _won't_ raise your taxes 'cause he's not even running for office." -- Payed for by the commission to give Stuart Jansen lots of money. |
| 21:24.49 | JoshH | the kind of person that cares about gimp's editing capability probably knows how to fix things |
| 21:25.09 | JoshH | same with people who know what xorg is |
| 21:26.05 | sjansen | JoshH: I did point out that on average I only get sideswiped badly about twice a year. As for 16 bit editing, being a graphics geek != computer geek. |
| 21:26.31 | JoshH | true, but there is often enough overlap in knowledge that the person can eventually do what they need |
| 21:26.38 | JoshH | of course, graphics geeks don't use gimp anyway |
| 21:26.55 | sjansen | I used that as an example of free software on Linux not meeting everyone's needs, even though Gimp rocks hard core. |
| 21:27.04 | levi | The article she originally wrote was all about service. Who's going to provide her with computer service and simple app training on Linux? |
| 21:27.35 | JoshH | she could probably find someone if she looked hard enough, but definitely not a company as large as apple |
| 21:28.03 | JoshH | (i didn't read the article fwiw) |
| 21:28.09 | levi | How much time and effort would that take vs. going to the Apple Store at the local mall? |
| 21:28.10 | sjansen | Or as competent and willing to conveniently match her schedule. |
| 21:29.13 | levi | It was quite clear that she *loved* the Apple service, despite the fact that her Apple laptop had similar issues to her Windows laptop. |
| 21:29.32 | JoshH | i don't need to read the article though, we all know what zealous linux advocates are like |
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| 21:38.14 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 21:38.14 | ibot | ~pong |
| 21:38.33 | blendmaster1024 | ? |
| 21:38.49 | blendmaster1024 | ohh cool a test to see if your still connected |
| 21:38.55 | blendmaster1024 | i'm going to use that :) |
| 21:50.37 | Sargun | ok |
| 21:50.40 | Sargun | you do that! |
| 21:50.56 | blendmaster1024 | lol |
| 22:24.47 | Sargun | Hey, we're looking for a net/sys admin Bay Area, CA. Something like 10 years experience. Stuff you gotta know: Linux (RHEL), IPTables, Dynamic routing, Cisco switches |
| 22:24.57 | Sargun | Anyone? |
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| 22:26.58 | JoshH | will you be in the next cube over? |
| 22:27.07 | stderr | hehe |
| 22:29.30 | goozbach | Sargun: details? |
| 22:29.43 | Sargun | JoshH, heh. -_- |
| 22:29.46 | Sargun | goozbach, PM me. |
| 22:34.01 | tristanbob_ | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html |
| 22:34.06 | tristanbob_ | I Lubuntu, do you? |
| 22:35.30 | blendmaster1024 | ... |
| 22:35.44 | blendmaster1024 | load already... |
| 22:36.41 | JoshH | i really don't like the concept of separate distros for each desktop |
| 22:36.57 | blendmaster1024 | i use debian on everything |
| 22:49.14 | sjansen | I use a blender to trim my toenails. |
| 22:50.24 | blendmaster1024 | ~whollop sjansen |
| 22:50.38 | blendmaster1024 | ~whallop sjansen |
| 22:50.39 | ibot | ACTION gets her boyfriend blendmaster1024 to whallop sjansen until sjansen whimpers like a little girl! |
| 22:52.45 | sjansen | ~lart REXML |
| 22:52.45 | ibot | puts REXML into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of REXML's hair of |
| 22:53.26 | sjansen | I've made my share of mistakes during my career. |
| 22:53.36 | sjansen | If I had to pick which one I regret the most, it's using REXML. |
| 22:53.51 | sjansen | Buggy, slow and crappy documentation. |
| 22:56.03 | levi | But it says it's "Reasonably fast (for interpreted code)"! |
| 22:56.34 | blendmaster1024 | lol right, beat python and perl |
| 22:56.52 | blendmaster1024 | hmm.. speaking of which i wonder which of those two is faster? |
| 22:57.00 | levi | I guess they mean "Reasonably fast (for Ruby code)" |
| 22:58.02 | levi | blendmaster1024: I'm sure it depends on what you're doing with them. |
| 22:58.16 | blendmaster1024 | of course |
| 23:03.01 | stderr | REXML is horrible |
| 23:03.31 | stderr | I had to patch ActiveResource to not use it because it was so, so, so terrible. |
| 23:04.20 | levi | Heh. |
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| 23:12.37 | tensai | levi: brining the turkey turned out to be worth the wait. my wife said it was the best turkey she's ever had. |
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