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| 05:06.16 | Sargun | ~seen dilvie |
| 05:06.18 | ibot | dilvie <n=chatzill@c-67-166-126-92.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 292d 6h 58m 55s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 05:32.06 | jackman | ~seen jackman |
| 05:32.08 | ibot | jackman is currently on #utah (9h 28m 16s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen jackman'. |
| 05:32.18 | jackman | yes! |
| 05:34.58 | Sargun | ~seen myself |
| 05:34.59 | ibot | myself <n=myself@adsl-99-155-195-35.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 17h 40m 26s ago, saying: 'anyway give da open source community a good name instead of being tribalist about which specific distro you use, but w/e'. |
| 05:35.05 | Sargun | uhm... |
| 05:35.07 | Sargun | ~seen sargun |
| 05:35.07 | ibot | sargun is currently on #maemo (2h 38m 21s) #webos-internals (2h 38m 21s) #asterisk (2h 38m 21s) #utah (2h 38m 21s) #openmoko (2h 38m 21s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen sargun'. |
| 05:35.19 | Sargun | Am I now? Lies. |
| 05:36.34 | jackman | ~seen ibot |
| 05:36.34 | ibot | ibot is currently on #gsoc (13h 34m 53s) #bzflag (13h 34m 53s) #iteam (13h 34m 53s) ##bspress (13h 34m 53s) #brlcad (13h 34m 53s) #handhelds (13h 34m 53s) #utah (13h 34m 53s) #oe (13h 34m 53s) #zaurus (13h 34m 53s) #gllug (13h 34m 53s) #pillbox (13h 34m 53s) #handhelds-gpe (13h 34m 53s) #uphpu (13h 34m 53s) #openzaurus (13h 34m 53s) #silvercat (13h 34m 53s) #opie ... |
| 05:41.14 | jackman | ~seen hulu |
| 05:41.15 | ibot | hulu <n=djo@adsl-70-132-29-54.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 899d 20h 15m 44s ago, saying: 'but ircii connects just fine'. |
| 05:41.40 | jackman | ~seen tv |
| 05:41.40 | ibot | tv <n=tv@a91-155-203-19.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 447d 4h 25m 51s ago, saying: 'it's a 20+ MB image because there's still flash left over ;)'. |
| 05:42.45 | jackman | ~seen theocean |
| 05:42.46 | ibot | jackman: i haven't seen 'theocean' |
| 05:43.01 | jackman | >:) |
| 05:44.44 | jackman | ~seen barenakedladies |
| 05:44.44 | ibot | jackman: i haven't seen 'barenakedladies' |
| 05:45.17 | jackman | ibot's all tv and he's never seen the ocean. |
| 05:59.19 | Sargun | Man, the 5D is so beautiful, it makes pictures beautiful. |
| 06:05.37 | jackman | Ummm... |
| 06:05.41 | jackman | The fifth dimension? |
| 06:08.31 | jackman | As in physics or music? |
| 07:10.23 | levi | Ahh, I'm finally back home. |
| 07:28.04 | Sargun | jackman, camera. |
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| 15:45.57 | maquis | ibot's back! |
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| 16:37.20 | elg | levi: emerge is actually looking pretty good right now |
| 16:37.50 | elg | it has a sane "fast mode" that doesn't require knowing much more than n,p,a,b (next, previous, get from A, get from B), and q (quit and accept) and c-] to abort |
| 16:37.55 | elg | which is a weird abort key, but hey |
| 16:38.23 | elg | i also have a possible winning vimdiff setup. i'll have to play with both |
| 16:39.48 | Jayce^ | vimdiff for the 3-way resolution? |
| 16:40.17 | elg | git mergetool -t vimdiff pulls up $LOCAL, $MERGED, and $REMOTE |
| 16:40.43 | elg | if you make it split horizontally (.vimrc) and set up keybindings to get from local, get from remote |
| 16:40.55 | elg | it's a workable setup |
| 16:41.08 | Jayce^ | can't wait for the blog post :-p |
| 16:43.23 | jsmith | ~seen fozz |
| 16:43.25 | ibot | fozz <i=54bd5c4b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/burngreave.net/x-00974652a12d60aa> was last seen on IRC in channel #creativeforum, 807d 1h 46m 23s ago, saying: 'chris yes they have been there for a bit'. |
| 16:46.38 | goozbach | ~seen fozzmoo |
| 16:46.39 | ibot | fozzmoo <n=fozz@166-70-238-250.ip.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utos, 57d 1h 51m 32s ago, saying: 'undertakingyou: Meow.'. |
| 16:47.05 | goozbach | perl perl perl! I invoke fozzmoo! |
| 16:47.49 | toofer | That didn't seem to work. Is there a -f flag for that command to force it? |
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| 16:48.08 | fozzmoo | wha wha? |
| 16:48.17 | Jayce^ | ~fishslap fozzmoo |
| 16:48.18 | ibot | ACTION slaps fozzmoo up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:49.02 | goozbach | toofer: there's a delay |
| 16:49.18 | toofer | goozbach. I'm still amazed that it worked. |
| 16:49.43 | fozzmoo | So... who needs me? |
| 16:49.55 | fozzmoo | Was it... jsmith? |
| 16:50.00 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Speak! |
| 16:50.45 | jsmith | fozzmoo: See private message |
| 16:54.30 | Jayce^ | looks at it too |
| 16:56.09 | jsmith | Jayce^: You wouldn't be as jealous as fozzmoo |
| 17:00.15 | sjansen | My laptop is in surgery right now. |
| 17:00.24 | sjansen | crosses his fingers and thinks happy thoughts |
| 17:02.35 | jsmith | sjansen: This the thinkpad with the "video chip with ball-grid array separated from the motherboard" problem? |
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| 17:19.05 | maquis | sjansen: what happened to your thinkpad? |
| 17:19.57 | jsmith | sjansen: I thought it was getting replaced? |
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| 17:38.27 | sjansen | jsmith: Not the entire laptop, just the mainboard. This is the second time in a month it has been replaced. |
| 17:39.19 | jsmith | sjansen: Crazy... |
| 17:39.47 | sjansen | What is the BGA you speak of? |
| 17:45.47 | maquis | sjansen: really? how old is the laptop? |
| 17:45.59 | sjansen | Two years and a few days. |
| 17:46.09 | maquis | has never had problems with her thinkpad and feels very sorry for sjansen having to deal with issues with his |
| 17:47.01 | sjansen | *shrug* I pretty much expected something by now. Laptops are just about the only piece of hardware worth buying an extended warranty for. |
| 17:47.35 | sjansen | Even my tank of an HP eventually had a problem after 2.75 years. |
| 17:47.52 | maquis | hmmm... amon-re is running pretty good after... uh... 5-ish years |
| 17:48.39 | maquis | had the fan replaced when it was a few months old, and replaced the dvd drive when it was 3.5 years old, but other than that, it runs like new |
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| 17:50.28 | Sargun_Screen | amon-re? |
| 17:50.38 | Sargun_Screen | maquis: IBM thinkpad, or lenovo? |
| 17:51.11 | maquis | Sargun_Screen: that one was from the middle of the transition |
| 17:51.24 | maquis | it says "IBM Thinkpad" on the case, but when I bought it, I got it from Lenovo |
| 17:51.24 | Sargun_Screen | what model |
| 17:51.29 | maquis | T42 |
| 17:51.57 | maquis | I've also got an X61T, which is still pretty new, but is running beautifully... |
| 17:53.41 | Sargun_Screen | has had really bad luck with his last thinkpad. |
| 17:53.49 | maquis | really? |
| 17:53.51 | Sargun_Screen | loves his new Dell M4400 |
| 17:54.12 | sjansen | Love? Dell? Surely that's a typo. |
| 17:54.39 | Sargun_Screen | stabs sjansen over the fqace |
| 17:54.45 | Sargun_Screen | er, in the face, |
| 17:54.52 | maquis | I have to say... the 2 small problems i've had with amon-re, I discovered that lenovo had really good customer service. |
| 17:55.06 | sjansen | Okay, yup, Sargun_Screen is just randomly connecting words. He doesn't really love a Dell. |
| 17:55.24 | maquis | called in, and they A) didn't assume I was an idiot because I'm a girl, and B) worked to try to fix the problem as quickly and simply as possible |
| 17:56.02 | sjansen | I wouldn't describe Lenovo support as really good. I'd describe it as freaking amazing unlike-any-tech-support-I've ever-encountered-before good. |
| 17:56.29 | maquis | sjansen: well, given that i set my bar pretty low, and they're the only computer company that's ever hit it... |
| 17:57.12 | maquis | i'd say both of my problems were pretty simple (I was able to tell them exactly what the problem was), so I'm not really sure how they do on more complicated problems |
| 17:58.33 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: can you solve a problem faster than this: http://xbmodder.us/tmp/Gmail%20-%20Dell%20Chat%20Session%20Log.html |
| 17:58.34 | brac | [Gmail - Dell Chat Session Log] |
| 17:58.41 | Sargun_Screen | 10 minutes |
| 17:58.46 | maquis | things like "my fan makes a clicking sound whenever it tries to run and has issues keeping my CPU cool" and "the ribbon inside the dvd drive is hanging out weird and the entire drawer part comes completely out of the drive" aren't exactly difficult issues to troubleshoot |
| 17:59.07 | maquis | but a tech support guy that doesn't assume i'm an idiot... that's something i haven't seen before |
| 17:59.45 | Sargun_Screen | maquis: that tech support person didn't assume I was an idiot. |
| 17:59.46 | Sargun_Screen | :-P |
| 17:59.50 | Sargun_Screen | and they didn't know my sex |
| 17:59.58 | Sargun_Screen | "Sargun" is somewhat ambigious |
| 18:00.00 | maquis | Sargun_Screen: true... |
| 18:00.09 | Sargun_Screen | 10 minutes |
| 18:00.12 | maquis | yeah... that's about as quick as my dvd drive one was |
| 18:00.21 | Sargun_Screen | well, closer to 11. |
| 18:00.50 | Sargun_Screen | and then she called me the next day |
| 18:00.56 | Sargun_Screen | and asked if I had gotten the drive ok |
| 18:01.00 | Sargun_Screen | and if everything was working. |
| 18:01.28 | maquis | the fan problem, it was "oh, sounds like your fan's going out. you can either send it in to us, or, here's the phone number for an authorized repair specialist that's a few blocks away from where you are right now. we recommend just taking it there because they should be able to replace it free in about 20 minutes" |
| 18:01.59 | Sargun_Screen | oh |
| 18:02.03 | Sargun_Screen | When my fan died |
| 18:02.05 | Sargun_Screen | on my T60 |
| 18:02.20 | Sargun_Screen | they basically refused to fix it. |
| 18:04.21 | goozbach | did you have a warranty? |
| 18:05.26 | maquis | Sargun_Screen: i was still under warranty for both issues |
| 18:05.33 | maquis | had a 4-year warranty on my laptop |
| 18:05.47 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: yeah, they blamed it on user error |
| 18:06.05 | maquis | the fan, they replaced well before it actually died. it was "hey, this looks like it might die" and they said "ok... let's fix that before it does die" |
| 18:06.18 | Sargun_Screen | they said that I regularly had to blow out my laptop with air. |
| 18:06.33 | Sargun_Screen | apparently about a 1/4 inch of dust had clogged it up. |
| 18:07.47 | Sargun_Screen | feels like crap, I stayed up until 4 working. Woke up at 9 AM this morning, and stuff still isn't finished |
| 18:08.06 | Sargun_Screen | had to spend until 4 AM because...well...people are difficult |
| 18:08.25 | Sargun_Screen | additionally got ditched by his date :-( |
| 18:08.51 | Sargun_Screen | Ok, black smithing, or neon? |
| 18:10.24 | Sargun_Screen | which one sould I do? |
| 18:21.51 | jlp_work | black smithing is hot and dirty work |
| 18:22.07 | jlp_work | neon is just plain cool |
| 18:24.19 | Sargun_Screen | I kind of like ebeing hot and dirty |
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| 18:24.26 | Sargun_Screen | and isn't neon warm? |
| 18:28.30 | jlp_work | well, a little. |
| 18:29.08 | jlp_work | but once you learn how to blow glass (for the neon), you can do all kinds of cool stuff. |
| 18:29.55 | jlp_work | of course, smithing does let you make some neat stuff out of blocks of metal. |
| 18:44.50 | levi | elg: emerge looked pretty nifty from the manual description. You'll definitely need a followup post on your final solution. :) |
| 18:45.57 | elg | ediff is supposed to be a souped-up emerge, but there doesn't seem to be a sane way to invoke it from the cli and it's not integrated in git yet, so I'll probably just comment on emerge and let the ediff blowhards tell us all how wonderful it is in the comments |
| 18:46.18 | elg | someone submitted a patch to get ediff integration in git, I reckon it'll probably come down the line sooner or later |
| 18:55.30 | levi | I saw some references to ediff, but I was on my iPod Touch via airport wifi, so I wasn't really in a position to do in-depth research. :) |
| 18:56.09 | levi | It's really nice that the Boise airport has free wifi. |
| 18:59.08 | sjansen | Sargun_Screen: You fool! Now the Internets have your phone number!!! |
| 18:59.55 | sjansen | would like it to be known here and now that he had nothing to do with any prank calls Sargun_Screen may or may not receive |
| 19:00.14 | sjansen | puts down his cell phone and smiles sheepishly |
| 19:00.40 | goozbach | sjansen: I know some people with a couple of old autodialers |
| 19:00.56 | goozbach | and 4 voice T-1s |
| 19:01.11 | goozbach | if you want to be put in contact with them for whatever reason |
| 19:01.55 | elg | -metar klru |
| 19:02.03 | brac | KLRU 251850Z AUTO 34011KT 10SM CLR 22/16 A3024 RMK AO2 |
| 19:05.21 | sjansen | It's really nice to even large airports are starting to get free wifi. |
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| 19:08.43 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://utos.org/irc | Log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | UTOSC 2009 Registration is open - http://sn.im/utos-reg | UTOSC Call for Papers ends Aug 27 | Cheesecake! |
| 19:14.34 | sjansen | My laptop has passed every diagnostic and stress test I've thrown at it so far. :-) |
| 19:14.37 | sjansen | rejoices |
| 19:15.44 | goozbach | ~hurrah sjansen |
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| 19:38.01 | Sargun_Screen | ~lart goozbach |
| 19:38.01 | ibot | whacks goozbach with the cluebat |
| 19:43.50 | levi | sjansen: How much torque have you applied to opposing corners? |
| 19:56.12 | sjansen | levi: Do you mean deliberately, or unintentionally? |
| 19:56.15 | maquis | cheesecake? |
| 19:56.18 | maquis | where's the cheesecake? |
| 19:56.32 | goozbach | someone say cheesecake?! |
| 19:56.47 | maquis | 'sin the topic |
| 19:56.48 | jsmith | goozbach: Cheesecake for everyone! |
| 19:56.52 | sjansen | levi: 'Cause that not exactly something I've ever knowingly done. Why do you ask? |
| 19:57.09 | maquis | sjansen: because you said it had passed all the stress tests you've thrown at it |
| 19:57.21 | sjansen | *groan* |
| 19:57.41 | sjansen | ~lart levi and maquis (and emcnabb for good measure) |
| 19:57.41 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into levi and maquis (and emcnabb's ear for good measure) |
| 19:57.55 | maquis | hey... what'd i do? |
| 19:57.58 | maquis | i just explained it |
| 19:58.23 | sjansen | maquis: Thereby destroying my blissful ignorance. |
| 19:58.29 | emcnabb | sjansen, do you not have enough to do today? |
| 19:58.43 | emcnabb | dax? you around? |
| 19:58.52 | goozbach | sjansen: you remember where he works, don't you? |
| 19:59.03 | goozbach | s/sjansen/emcnabb/ |
| 19:59.19 | emcnabb | goozbach, um.... I think so |
| 19:59.30 | goozbach | enough to do... hah! |
| 19:59.36 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 20:00.05 | emcnabb | prepares to completely redo the home office upstairs |
| 20:01.48 | maquis | emcnabb: how're things down there? |
| 20:01.59 | emcnabb | pretty good |
| 20:02.08 | maquis | cool |
| 20:05.24 | TehLaser | aaaah, reminds me of the old school days where one of my prof's standing requirements was that all assignments had to be able to chew on /dev/urandom for a few minutes before being given valid data, and then still had to produce correct output. |
| 20:06.19 | maquis | TehLaser: what reminds you of that? |
| 20:06.31 | TehLaser | ibot's lart |
| 20:06.36 | maquis | oh |
| 20:07.08 | maquis | interesting... it actually stuck the "ear" in the right place |
| 20:07.35 | maquis | oh... because of the for... that's right |
| 20:26.04 | elg | iphone junkies: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=122788341354 |
| 20:26.51 | Sargun | ~lart iPhone |
| 20:26.51 | ibot | shoots iPhone in his sleep |
| 20:27.09 | sjansen | ~pity iphone |
| 20:27.10 | ibot | I pity da fool iphone! |
| 20:28.30 | Jayce^ | elg: thought you'd say it was finally out |
| 20:32.05 | elg | no, just that it's supposed to be slick |
| 20:32.10 | elg | and has been submitted to apple |
| 20:33.28 | sjansen | elg: You gonna be our new UncleJessie then? |
| 20:34.39 | elg | sends sjansen an invite reminder |
| 20:35.07 | elg | clicks on a few other people in the "you might know sjansen, send him an invite" tool |
| 20:52.39 | Sargun | Is it just me or facebook falling apart? |
| 21:03.17 | goozbach | well elg just started there... so... |
| 21:03.19 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:03.36 | elg | just another symptom |
| 21:05.10 | sjansen | elg hasn't been there long enough to do any real damage |
| 21:05.34 | Jayce^ | I'm sure if he tried... |
| 21:05.43 | sjansen | I'm sure he'll accomplish great things, though. |
| 21:06.07 | sjansen | "FB shocks world with new organ music based captcha!" |
| 21:06.49 | Jayce^ | has flashbacks to the goonies |
| 21:07.36 | sjansen | "FB we used to think we needed expensive servers until a spunky PhD candidate showed us how to operate with nothing but old laptops from the Goodwill and the alternator from a Desoto." |
| 21:07.56 | Jayce^ | on a home DSL connection |
| 21:08.16 | Jayce^ | oh, and his family sitting in on any "giveaway" in town |
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| 21:12.09 | elg | what better way to amass a fortune in servers than by going to LUGs and winning them? |
| 21:22.16 | Migs | does anyone really "win" at LUGs? |
| 21:27.04 | sjansen | Books. Sometimes good ones. |
| 21:36.40 | goozbach | sjansen: only if you're a mcnabb |
| 21:37.19 | goozbach | or a fugal |
| 22:30.43 | maquis | elg: give me a few good reasons why i should join facebook? |
| 22:32.28 | elg | to get in touch and stay in touch with people you forgot you cared about, with minimal effort. |
| 22:32.44 | elg | YMMV, but that's what I found valuable after I joined, and it was a total surprise to me |
| 22:33.01 | elg | and the photo tagging is pretty cool |
| 22:33.08 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 22:33.15 | maquis | but... it takes time, doesn't it? |
| 22:33.22 | elg | only what you want to invest |
| 22:33.35 | maquis | why can't all those people just have blogs instead of facebook? |
| 22:33.36 | elg | i know people that apparently log in every couple weeks |
| 22:33.48 | elg | why are we in IRC instead of on PLUG? |
| 22:34.05 | maquis | irc is lower-maintenance than an email list? |
| 22:34.13 | elg | bingo |
| 22:34.18 | elg | blogs are more formal |
| 22:34.26 | elg | some do both. even non-techy types |
| 22:34.55 | elg | you put on your best face (relatively speaking) for a blog post |
| 22:35.08 | elg | fb is more like being at a party or hanging out in the living room |
| 22:35.43 | elg | you pitch in when you want, tune it out when you want |
| 22:36.24 | elg | just be sure to set up an email filter for notification emails (or turn them off) because the first couple weeks you get a lot of notifies. :) |
| 22:36.41 | maquis | ah... |
| 22:36.43 | maquis | interesting |
| 22:36.51 | maquis | i've gotten a lot of invites over the past few years |
| 22:37.01 | maquis | my primary excuse for ignoring them has been "i don't have an account" |
| 22:37.10 | elg | i call it the snowball. as you get friends in different well-connected graphs, you get a snowball effect of friend requests |
| 22:37.18 | elg | because each friend is asked to recommend other friends that you would also know |
| 22:37.30 | elg | they'll all be there waiting for you |
| 22:37.49 | maquis | i think i was mostly scared off of social networks after having some roommates that were on myspace, and i learned *way* too much about the types of stuff that's on myspace |
| 22:38.02 | elg | myspace is completely different |
| 22:38.04 | elg | and suckier |
| 22:38.06 | maquis | good |
| 22:38.08 | elg | IMHO of course. :) |
| 22:38.22 | maquis | not tons of blatant sexual content in facebook? |
| 22:38.28 | elg | the nice thing about fb is that it's not a design nightmare like myspace. it's consistent and usable, no matter how bad the taste of your friend |
| 22:38.35 | elg | definitely not |
| 22:38.38 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 22:39.08 | maquis | i just have too many online timewasters |
| 22:58.27 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 23:04.48 | sjansen | http://trafficwaves.org/ |
| 23:04.49 | brac | [SCIENCE HOBBYIST: Traffic Waves, physics for bored commuters] |
| 23:25.16 | sjansen | http://bashdb.sourceforge.net/ <-- So very, very wrong. |
| 23:25.17 | brac | [BASH with Debugger and Improved Debug Support and Error Handling] |
| 23:37.39 | maquis | a bash debugger? |
| 23:37.41 | maquis | weird |