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| 16:17.07 | Migs | http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/forums/f3/crash-not-24793/ |
| 16:18.29 | Migs | http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/smallcar.asp |
| 16:18.29 | brac | [snopes.com: Save the Planet with a Small Car] |
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| 16:41.14 | goozbach | sjansen: http://www.savagechickens.com/2009/08/kweschun.html |
| 16:58.43 | sjansen | No sell respecting lolcat would ask that question. The answer is always to has cheez burger. |
| 16:59.09 | JoshH | this reminded me of migs' wallpaper saga |
| 16:59.13 | JoshH | http://www.partiallyclips.com/storage/lookingatdrawing_lg.png |
| 17:03.03 | goozbach | sjansen: so you're saying the last line should be "wht a stoopied keustion"? |
| 17:11.06 | maquis | Sargun: if you can't set exposure/aperture manually on your camera, the camera will probly try to detect it automatically... so, you should be fine to turn down the ISO |
| 17:11.29 | Sargun | maquis, I can set the shutter time. |
| 17:11.32 | Sargun | er, exposure time |
| 17:11.50 | maquis | yeah... so, it'll try to set the aperture automatically based on that |
| 17:12.21 | Sargun | So, I should be able to control noise & light sensitivity by ISO & shutter timer? |
| 17:12.38 | Sargun | So, I should be able to take a picture of the sunset at like 1/500th shutter time, and ISO 80? |
| 17:12.45 | maquis | just remember that you will probably need to set the exposure time longer in low-light conditions... |
| 17:13.11 | maquis | Sargun: you can try, but there's a limit to the range that aperture can be set to |
| 17:13.29 | maquis | so, depending on a lot of conditions, you might still have some problems with over/under exposure |
| 17:13.44 | Sargun | maquis, Ah, so I might have to kick down the shutter speed, and kick up the ISO? |
| 17:13.54 | maquis | Sargun: here's how it works |
| 17:14.08 | maquis | ISO: higher numbers get more light, more noise |
| 17:14.31 | Sargun | Yeah... |
| 17:14.32 | maquis | exposure: longer time means more light, less clarity |
| 17:14.46 | Sargun | Clarity isn't a problem because it's a still scene |
| 17:15.02 | maquis | aperture: smaller number (open wider) means more light, less depth of field |
| 17:15.23 | maquis | ISO and aperture both have ranges that you are limited to, based on your camera / lens |
| 17:15.40 | maquis | exposure has a minimum, but, depending on your camera, may not have a maximum |
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| 17:16.32 | {-} | goozbach: Yup, pretty much. |
| 17:16.38 | maquis | so, if you have a tripod and a way to click the button (and hold/unclick it) without having to touch the camera (a remote of some sort), and you're getting a picture of a still scene, then you should be able to get any picture exposed correctly eventually |
| 17:16.43 | maquis | although it may take some time :) |
| 17:16.49 | maquis | ISO, you generally set manually on the camera |
| 17:17.03 | maquis | aperture, the camera can try to automatically adjust |
| 17:17.11 | maquis | exposure, the camera can try to automatically adjust |
| 17:20.42 | {-} | *sigh* |
| 17:20.45 | {-} | Mondays... |
| 17:37.59 | maquis | mondays suck |
| 17:40.40 | Sargun | maquis, mondays do not suck. |
| 17:41.16 | Sargun | maquis, Now, if the sun didn't move so fast, this would be easier. |
| 17:41.26 | Sargun | Each picture takes maybe 30-45 seconds |
| 17:41.37 | Sargun | 90 if you include adjusting the settings |
| 17:41.55 | Sargun | and the window for the sunset is 20 minutes. |
| 17:43.24 | maquis | Sargun: yeah |
| 17:43.42 | Sargun | I need a time machine. |
| 17:43.52 | maquis | just make sure that you've got a way to start/stop the camera without shaking it |
| 17:44.21 | Sargun | Yeah, got that. |
| 17:44.28 | maquis | k |
| 17:44.30 | maquis | just checking :) |
| 17:44.48 | Sargun | Also, I gotta manually focus this thing. |
| 17:45.17 | maquis | manual focus isn't bad... particularly if focus is at infinity |
| 17:45.20 | Sargun | because, the AF kicks the sun/background out of focus |
| 17:45.31 | Sargun | Yes, but it still takes time. |
| 17:46.05 | maquis | Sargun: if you go to mcnewfamily.net, the banner at the top is from a sunset pic i took a while back... |
| 17:46.42 | Sargun | Nice. Where? |
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| 17:46.59 | Sargun | Was that one shot, and then just cropped, or did you stitch pictures together? |
| 17:49.48 | maquis | 1 shot, cropped |
| 17:49.59 | maquis | and massively resized |
| 17:58.47 | maquis | i've never done a panorama and successfully stitched it... |
| 17:59.21 | maquis | honestly, don't think that's too big of a problem, though... my camera creates images where the sides are 16 inches or so... that's bigger than any print i plan on doing anytime soon |
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| 18:31.50 | elg | maquis: if you ever want to tackle it, i saw a demo of this one program that makes it pretty cool |
| 18:31.59 | elg | hugin |
| 18:32.02 | elg | that's the name |
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| 18:43.41 | maquis | elg: good to know |
| 18:51.36 | maquis | is very tempted to send today's xkcd to a large number of family members |
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| 19:30.14 | tristanbob_ | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 19:30.14 | brac | [xkcd - A Webcomic - Tech Support Cheat Sheet] |
| 19:31.37 | peno | today's xkcd is full of win |
| 19:32.44 | Sargun | it is |
| 19:33.07 | Sargun | but my entire knowledge of computers has been publicized. |
| 19:39.05 | {-} | Sargun: Not so! If doesn't mention making sure all cords are plugged in all the way. |
| 19:45.00 | Sargun | Oh, you have to do that? |
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| 20:09.44 | {-} | ~lart Ubuntu users and their stupid release names |
| 20:09.44 | ibot | declares Ubuntu users and their stupid release names a moron |
| 20:09.54 | {-} | ~botsnack |
| 20:09.54 | ibot | {-}: :) |
| 20:10.18 | Sargun | Why does that look like Haskell? |
| 20:10.20 | {-} | Would it kill Ubuntu users to user a version number? |
| 20:10.35 | goozbach | you mean user to use? |
| 20:11.31 | {-} | I know they think it's cute to use names like Flatulent Water Buffalo, but it just makes my life harder. |
| 20:12.51 | {-} | I can remember that 9.04 has been releases and 9.10 hasn't. Why should I have to remember that Acne-Ridden Ant Eater has been releases but Nose Picking Llama hasn't been? |
| 20:13.15 | {-} | ~hurt goozbach |
| 20:13.16 | ibot | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on goozbach's hands, laughing all the while |
| 20:14.09 | goozbach | high pitched laughter? |
| 20:14.24 | goozbach | ala the cat in Emperor's New Groove? |
| 20:14.24 | {-} | goozbach: Be nice to me, I have broken finger that's still healing, and my Thinkpad is sick so I have to use my ancient HP with a stiffer keyboard. |
| 20:14.31 | goozbach | cause that's be awesome! |
| 20:14.45 | goozbach | {-}: your TP is still sick? |
| 20:14.48 | goozbach | I'm sorry |
| 20:16.26 | RyanE | {-}: The one way in which it's better to use release names vs. numbers is if you're searching for resolutions to defects. If I search for Jaunty Jackalope video problem, I'm not likely to get 9.04 video problems of any other distro... |
| 20:21.42 | {-} | Because _every_ other distro also has a 9.04 release. |
| 20:22.08 | RyanE | no, but Google handily splits it up into a 9 and a 4, and then shows me results based on every other Linux issue with those combinations of numbers. |
| 20:22.21 | RyanE | Jaunty and Jackalope are not nearly as common as 9 and 4. |
| 20:22.28 | {-} | Man, Windows is such a pain in the butt. |
| 20:22.56 | RyanE | It's a cross-product result that's the problem. But yeah, googling to figure out that Jaunty is 9.04 is a pain. |
| 20:23.37 | {-} | I put my old HD back in and installed Vista so I could run some test software. It took over two and a half hours to do a base install. What did I have when I was done? Notepad. |
| 20:24.05 | {-} | Linux installs take less than an hour, and that's including actual software. |
| 20:24.34 | {-} | And when I'm done? > 5 hours of download, update reboot, download, update reboot, etc. |
| 20:25.25 | RyanE | and the best part? It'll reboot at random whenever a critical update is available! Woo! |
| 20:25.51 | {-} | More than an entire work day to install a stinking laptop, and when I'm finally done I still won't have more than a Notepad and a browser! |
| 20:26.43 | {-} | Ubuntu's release names might be a pain, but at least everything else works great. |
| 20:26.54 | RyanE | and don't forget, minesweeper, if they haven't banished it from Vista. |
| 20:27.59 | {-} | RyanE: BTW, cross product not a problem: Ubuntu "9.04" install foo |
| 20:29.22 | {-} | To be fair, maybe I should compare Vista to Fedora since Fedora also has a more advanced security model. |
| 20:30.24 | RyanE | {-}: valid point, but what if my keyboard has no quotes on it... :) Man, I hate being so obviously wrong... |
| 20:31.05 | {-} | Let's see... Fedora installs take about 15 minutes longer than Ubuntu, but still less than an hour. Fedora has a crapload of updates just like Vista, but they can all be installed at once without rebooting repeatedly. Let's say you're pipe ain't all the fast, so let's say 2 hours to update a Fedora system. |
| 20:31.42 | {-} | Linux still wins. It might take 3 hours to install and update Fedora, but that's including actual software! |
| 20:32.36 | {-} | To say nothing of the pain of finding Windows drivers. |
| 20:33.34 | RyanE | to say nothing of the cost. |
| 20:33.44 | eightyeight | fwiw, the ubuntu codenames are just that- codenames. fedora, opensuse, and every-other-distro has them too. the community decides to use them |
| 20:33.47 | {-} | Even after I found the drivers, I still wasn't done. One installer put the files in the wrong place. Another installer merely installed an installer. |
| 20:34.29 | {-} | eightyeight: Like I said, it's the community's fault. Mass stupidity. |
| 20:35.36 | RyanE | {-}: hey, just because you didn't like Farty Flightless Falcon, you don't have to malign an entire community. |
| 20:35.48 | {-} | I mean WTF?! All I wanted was wireless. Shouldn't running one installer be enough? I guess not. For some reason I was expected to notice the installer had installed another installer and (without any prompting) run that installer. |
| 20:36.23 | RyanE | yeah, installing and running sub-installers is an annoying Windows workaround for lack of true package dependency checking. |
| 20:36.24 | eightyeight | RyanE: he's just mad fedora 11 was codenamed leonidas, and it didn't live up to the name |
| 20:36.28 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 20:36.31 | RyanE | heh |
| 20:36.53 | {-} | Fedora codenames always suck. But at least the artwork isn't as bad as it used to be. |
| 20:37.20 | eightyeight | btw, i too am tired of the ubuntu codenames |
| 20:41.31 | JoshH | ideally i'd prefer simple round numbers for versions, but with 2 releases a year it would add up quick |
| 20:41.48 | JoshH | and debian gets by fine with names and numbers |
| 20:42.00 | JoshH | well names, numbers, and branch |
| 20:44.54 | eightyeight | i get a kick out of slackware deciding to jump from v4 to v7, to look more mature |
| 20:45.08 | eightyeight | now, besides opensuse, they're the only double digit release that i'm aware of |
| 20:46.08 | {-} | Fedora 10+ |
| 20:46.58 | eightyeight | ahh yes |
| 20:47.57 | goozbach | what's the real fedora number though? |
| 20:48.14 | {-} | Real? |
| 20:48.15 | goozbach | RHL 9 == Fedora 1 |
| 20:48.17 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:48.38 | {-} | RHL 10 == Fedora Core 1 |
| 20:48.46 | goozbach | 10 |
| 20:48.56 | goozbach | I knew that wasn't right |
| 20:49.09 | goozbach | so the real verson of fedora stable is now 21 |
| 20:49.49 | maquis | although... the debian names don't change nearly as often as the ubuntu ones |
| 20:50.01 | maquis | amd for fedora, most people call it by number |
| 20:50.25 | maquis | but for debian, you don't generally forget what the names refer to |
| 20:50.34 | maquis | plus, sid is always sid |
| 20:51.04 | {-} | Unless RHL 9.1 = FC1, 9.2 = FC2, 10 = FC3, 10.1 = FC4, 10.2 = FC5, 11 = FC6, 11.1 = F7, 11.2 = F8, 12 = F9, 12.1 = F10, 12.2 = F11, 13 = F12 |
| 20:51.29 | eightyeight | {-}: huh? rhl 13? |
| 20:52.15 | {-} | I'm proposing an alternative to goozbach's alternate reality. An alternative alternative universe, if you will. |
| 20:52.54 | goozbach | the alt-alt universe |
| 20:53.10 | goozbach | you're an emacs user, no? you should be used to the meta stuffs |
| 20:53.14 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:53.29 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:54.03 | eightyeight | no emacs for me. i'd rather not be tainted. cleanliness is next to godliness after all |
| 20:54.10 | goozbach | good point |
| 20:54.30 | goozbach | I did however sully my personal laptop today by installing both gnuemacs and xemacs |
| 20:54.41 | goozbach | I couldn't remember which one looked nicer |
| 20:54.41 | maquis | why? |
| 20:54.48 | goozbach | and I was having a debate |
| 20:54.55 | goozbach | so I installed them to see |
| 20:55.06 | goozbach | (the answer is gnuemacs BTW) |
| 20:55.16 | stderr | Emacs 23 is built against Cocoa, right? |
| 20:55.49 | stderr | (now) |
| 20:56.56 | {-} | Cocoa? |
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| 20:59.31 | goozbach | ~/. |
| 21:14.16 | Sargun | http://www.pandora.com/music/song/dan+deacon/baltihorse whoa, wtf |
| 21:17.18 | eightyeight | Sargun: what? |
| 21:17.39 | Sargun | I discovered new music. |
| 21:19.21 | synic | ... you discovered keebler elf music is what you did |
| 21:19.44 | Sargun | lol |
| 21:19.49 | Sargun | I just laughed out loud |
| 21:19.50 | Sargun | fuck. |
| 21:19.57 | Sargun | erm, you didn't see that. |
| 21:19.58 | eightyeight | ~language Sargun |
| 21:19.59 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 21:47.34 | maquis | i think that's one of my favorite commands that i taught ibot... |
| 22:01.08 | goozbach | {-}: another seed for your pandora: leftfield |
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