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| 02:51.53 | eightyeight | do disk drives today still use rll encoding? or is there a now encoding mechanism to get more data on the platter? |
| 02:52.06 | eightyeight | i'm not really seeing anything convincing on google |
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| 03:15.34 | jsmith-away | eightyeight: I think RLL was done away with when IDE came along |
| 03:16.12 | eightyeight | ide is the interface to the controller, not the encoding mechanism to write/read the data to/from the platter |
| 03:16.30 | eightyeight | i've read some convincing sites that (2,7)rll is still in use |
| 03:19.29 | jsmith-away | I realize that IDE is the interface to the controller, but it was my understanding that when they went to IDE controllers, they also went to other encodings |
| 03:19.58 | jsmith-away | (as each drive manufacturer could pick and choose their own encoding schemes, as the drive controller was integrated on the drive) |
| 03:22.41 | eightyeight | it is transparent to the on board controller, as i understand it. but it appears that all drives are still using rll. but wikipedia, the source of all knowledge and truth, doesn't tell me |
| 03:34.10 | tyce | . |
| 03:37.35 | rsimpkins | Every now and then comcast actually delivers the speed they promise. Getting 11Mbps at the moment. |
| 03:37.56 | rsimpkins | Wish it was like this all the time. |
| 03:40.23 | fugue88 | jsmith-away: I'm pretty sure the move to RLL coincided with the move to linear actuators, away from step motors. So, <=20MB would be encoded with MFM, and >=40MB with RLL, in rough terms. |
| 03:40.41 | fugue88 | Of course, that was a long time ago. Who know what they do nowadays. |
| 03:40.55 | eightyeight | yeah. that's what i'm having a hard time finding |
| 03:41.34 | eightyeight | i see lots of 3rd party sites saying rll is the encoding scheme currently, possibly enough to believe due to the number, but without getting the data from the horses mouth so to speak... |
| 03:42.08 | eightyeight | does perpendicular redording change the encoding? i wouldn't think so |
| 03:43.05 | fugue88 | Here's a horse: http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkxQIOoJKXSEAbjZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMW5yZXIwBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0NTMDFfMTA2/SIG=12u8t967b/EXP=1250134920/**http%3a//www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_momentus5400.2_120gb.pdf |
| 03:43.23 | fugue88 | Er, uh... |
| 03:43.39 | fugue88 | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seagate.com%2Fdocs%2Fpdf%2Fdatasheet%2Fdisc%2Fds_momentus5400.2_120gb.pdf&ei=ZDqCSrOPEpPgsQPn5Pi1Ag&rct=j&q=rll+site%3Aseagate.com&usg=AFQjCNE1mJ-j1MdzuC4POwN9MtlhU06zFg |
| 03:43.44 | fugue88 | Sheesh. |
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| 03:44.44 | fugue88 | RLL 0,11 on some drives at least. |
| 03:44.45 | eightyeight | rll 0,11? that's not on wikipedia |
| 03:44.52 | fugue88 | !? |
| 03:45.02 | fugue88 | Something WikiPedia doesn't know!? |
| 03:45.40 | fugue88 | is despondent |
| 03:45.43 | eightyeight | shocking, eh? |
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| 04:15.37 | maquis | anyone here alive to help with a boot problem on a netbook? |
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| 04:23.01 | maquis | so, it's giving up on finding the root file system. I'm not sure why. The one thing I can think of is that the kernel might not be handling the ssd correctly, but from what i've seen on google, others don't seem to be having this problem |
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| 04:38.07 | eightyeight | http://rootcertified.com |
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| 08:51.10 | andrewusu | You can see a meteor shower pretty good to the NE right now: |
| 08:51.10 | andrewusu | http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-meteor-shower-12-aug12,0,1375273.story |
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| 14:36.02 | goozbach | ~sing |
| 14:36.03 | ibot | "Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!" |
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| 15:26.32 | opapo | I have an issue with people sshing into my server |
| 15:27.08 | opapo | The server accepts their password, but they are told the password wasn't accepted |
| 15:28.02 | Jayce^ | f |
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| 15:38.48 | Heartsbane | Jayce^: F 2 U 2 |
| 15:39.15 | Jayce^ | hadn't noted the keystroke, but hey, if it was directed at you, I'm ok with it :) |
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| 15:42.15 | Heartsbane | Jayce^: :) that is honesty |
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| 15:51.44 | mrpull | the english pages for the ultramonkey-L7 project seem to have disappeared. |
| 15:55.08 | Jayce^ | mrpull: how is that galileoscope? you use it this morning? |
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| 15:59.41 | sjansen | http://imgur.com/Btfji |
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| 16:22.19 | sjansen | ~rlart |
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| 16:28.43 | eggyknap | synic: ping |
| 16:28.49 | synic | eggyknap: heya |
| 16:33.45 | tensai | Jayce^: I bought a galileoscope and it works pretty well. the camera tripod I've got is rather difficult to adjust precisely. |
| 16:34.06 | Jayce^ | been looking at getting some, so wanting friend reviews.. |
| 16:34.12 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 16:35.34 | tensai | the included instructions aren't great. there's a much better color pdf on their site. read it first. |
| 16:35.56 | tensai | otherwise you'll wonder why you have two extra O rings |
| 16:36.27 | opapo | viruses my not affect linux boxes, but they may carry viruses. |
| 16:36.35 | opapo | how do I scan for vfi |
| 16:36.47 | opapo | viruses on a CentOS 5 machine? |
| 16:36.56 | tensai | I use clamav |
| 16:37.12 | opapo | That does seem to be popular |
| 16:37.21 | opapo | is there a better option? |
| 16:37.30 | opapo | just wondering. |
| 16:37.59 | tensai | there are a number of commercial solutions too. never used them though. |
| 16:44.23 | mecworks | herlo: Just got the codes. I'll send them out. |
| 16:44.28 | mecworks | thanks! |
| 16:44.30 | mecworks | Um. |
| 16:45.01 | mecworks | Just got the "reminder" about the codes :) |
| 16:46.56 | opapo | tensai: thanks |
| 16:49.58 | maquis | wonders if there's any reason to get a galileoscope if i've got a better telescope |
| 16:51.03 | maquis | hmmm.. 20$... |
| 16:51.27 | maquis | guess that i'd probably be more willing to let a kid play with that than with my good telescope |
| 16:52.21 | mecworks | herlo: Hey, what's the deadline for using the user group promo codes for UTOSC? Your email didn't mention it. In fact, it says "Registration is now open and goes until October 10, 2009 but you'll probably want to get the best deal you can, so make sure to register by to get the best price." |
| 16:52.46 | mecworks | Notice that the "register by..." date is missing. |
| 16:58.09 | tensai | maquis: for a kid it's a great deal. it was kinda fun to put it together too. |
| 16:58.36 | maquis | tensai: cool |
| 16:58.42 | levi | Insane SQL dude at it again: http://code.openark.org/blog/mysql/sql-pie-chart |
| 16:58.44 | tensai | they've very lightweight which my big reflector is not |
| 16:59.03 | maquis | has a maksutov-cassegraine, but figures that the chance of a kid using that unsupervised is pretty close to 0 |
| 16:59.17 | maquis | o/) Les formules magiques des marabouts d'Afrique |
| 16:59.17 | maquis | J'les dirai sans remords pour que tu m'aimes encore |
| 16:59.21 | maquis | o/) |
| 16:59.56 | maquis | tensai: what kind of reflector? |
| 17:01.17 | tensai | maquis: https://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=1-600-602-1119-9195 |
| 17:01.58 | maquis | nice |
| 17:02.06 | maquis | celestron is supposed to be pretty good |
| 17:02.37 | maquis | ooh... and it's an equatorial mount |
| 17:02.37 | tensai | I'm satisfied. I'd like to get a 2x barlow lens for it though. |
| 17:02.49 | maquis | that's the one thing i wish my telescope had |
| 17:03.12 | maquis | mine's alt-az, so it's not that great for tracking |
| 17:03.44 | tensai | equatorial mount was one of my requirements |
| 17:03.59 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:04.03 | tensai | I'm not so good at aligning it yet though, so my tracking is always a little off |
| 17:04.20 | maquis | i didn't get to really set requirements on mine, since my parents got it for me as a christmas present a number of years ago |
| 17:04.24 | maquis | but i can't complain |
| 17:05.29 | maquis | it's a cassegraine, which is *way* more than i ever would've thought to hope for |
| 17:05.50 | tensai | but do the clouds ever clear in seattle? |
| 17:05.57 | maquis | occasionally |
| 17:06.11 | maquis | i've seen the red spot on jupiter, the horsehead nebula, etc... |
| 17:06.30 | maquis | haven't used it in a while, but am wanting to take it out sometime in the not-too-distant future |
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| 17:07.42 | maquis | back in high school, there was a teacher who had a 10" schmidt-cassegraine, and he let a couple of us take it out a couple of evenings, and it was wonderful |
| 17:08.24 | maquis | before that, the best telescope i'd ever used was an older refractor, so it totally blew my mind what we could see with that rig |
| 17:21.06 | Migs | is there any way to convert a SWF to a video file? |
| 17:21.19 | Migs | I have this screencap presentation saved as a SWF, but not having much luck |
| 17:21.24 | Migs | I guess I could just screencap the screencap |
| 17:23.27 | goozbach | Migs: ffmpeg? |
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| 17:26.43 | levi | Wouldn't the SWF file be some sort of container for a more normal video format? |
| 17:28.01 | goozbach | flv most likety |
| 17:28.35 | levi | FLV apparently usually use Sorenson Spark or VP6 codecs. |
| 17:28.53 | levi | Though newer Flash versions support h.264 |
| 17:29.51 | levi | VP6 was developed by On2, though, which is now owned by Google, IIRC. |
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| 17:32.07 | levi | ffmpeg looks like it can handle it. |
| 17:33.09 | levi | It can decode swf containers and the vp6 codec. |
| 17:36.11 | elg | grumbles about vpns that route all private subnets (including the lan subnet) through themselves |
| 17:37.30 | jsmith | elg: You too, eh? |
| 17:38.01 | jsmith | elg: My employer has a route on the VPN for 192.168.0.0/16, when they really only need 192.168.202.0/24... drives me batty |
| 17:39.50 | elg | they have not only all of 192.168 but all of 10 and 172.16/12 as well |
| 17:43.03 | elg | looks like I *may* be able to add my subnet on top with a script |
| 17:43.03 | elg | have to try it at home |
| 17:43.04 | elg | annoying, but workable |
| 17:43.33 | elg | i can't delete the offending subnet (even if we have no actual machines in there) - the vpn adds it back |
| 17:43.35 | maquis | elg: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:43.46 | elg | get from my laptop to other computers on my lan |
| 17:43.53 | maquis | oh |
| 17:44.38 | elg | the vpn wasn't staying connected when i had 172.17.77/24 as my subnet, but stays connected when I do 192.168.77/24 |
| 17:44.50 | elg | but after looking at the routes it adds, I'm still not sure why that would be |
| 17:45.35 | elg | http://pastie.org/581607 |
| 17:45.48 | elg | the first is before connecting, the second is after |
| 17:46.25 | elg | note the disappearance of the lcoal subnet 192.168.77/24 via en1 |
| 17:48.23 | elg | but looks like I could add it back and it won't keep deleting it. based on not-quite-equivalent tests here |
| 17:49.14 | elg | -lart emc |
| 17:49.14 | brac | resizes emc's terminal to 40x24 |
| 17:49.20 | elg | ~seen emcnabb |
| 17:49.24 | ibot | emcnabb <n=emcnabb@cpe-071-070-229-150.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 5d 1h 32m 46s ago, saying: '~lart elg'. |
| 17:49.34 | elg | shakes his fist |
| 17:51.31 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:51.38 | levi | Welcome to the world of corporate IT. |
| 17:52.11 | levi | There are some seriously good IT guys out there, but they don't work for *your* IT department. ;) |
| 17:52.36 | levi | Or they are prevented by policy from actually doing the good that they could. |
| 17:52.53 | elg | well I still hold out judgement on that. as far as I've seen we do have the good ones. :) |
| 17:53.14 | elg | i'd ask, but then i might feel guilty for circumventing the policy. it may be intentional or laziness |
| 17:53.36 | elg | if I don't know, I won't feel guilty. |
| 17:53.58 | levi | Who feels guilty for circumventing bad IT policy? |
| 17:54.16 | elg | guilty isn't quite the right word. |
| 17:54.42 | elg | speaking of, is it law to stop at stop signs on a bicycle? I see a lot of people zipping right through them on their bikes |
| 17:55.25 | goozbach | elg: you should obey all traffic signs and signals while riding your bike |
| 17:56.25 | elg | and when i do stop, people in cars give me crusties |
| 17:56.45 | elg | and all that stopping can't be good for my knees ;) |
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| 17:57.35 | goozbach | people in cars need to chill the *$#% out |
| 18:03.28 | elg | some states allow bikes to treat stop signs as yield signs |
| 18:03.44 | elg | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfbike.org%2Fdownload%2Fbike_law%2Fwhy_bikes_hate_stops.pdf&ei=NgKDSuTRKeGFmQeovaGhDQ&usg=AFQjCNEPATHKqNy2R4pfVd_gcJouV0eFlQ&sig2=DmZyZjAa40RT92UZ2gqoQA |
| 18:05.24 | elg | http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2009/07/28/a-stop-sign-solution/ |
| 18:06.06 | goozbach | all I know is you're putting your life into your own hands if you don't at least look behind you at a stop sign |
| 18:06.18 | goozbach | I just about got plastered twice in Tallahassee |
| 18:06.47 | elg | in my 2 whole days experience I'm inclined to think it's a whole lot safer to treat a stop sign as a yield |
| 18:07.03 | elg | and of course be careful as drivers are as unpredictable as ever at intersections |
| 18:23.32 | maquis | elg: yes, there is a law to stop at stop signs on bikes. i know someone who got a ticket for not doing that up here in washington |
| 18:24.24 | maquis | is scared of cars making right-hand turns at red lights... |
| 18:24.31 | tensai | elg: in idaho a bicycle can treat a stop sign as a yield sign, and a stop light as a stop sign |
| 18:24.46 | maquis | in my experience, pedestrians crossing the street might as well not exist for all the car cares |
| 18:25.04 | maquis | i've almost been hit numerous times as a result of that |
| 18:30.59 | unum | I almost got hit in a car turning right at a red light once |
| 18:31.17 | unum | the car behind me seemed to think I was going to treat it as a yield |
| 18:31.28 | maquis | unum: yeah |
| 18:31.32 | maquis | most people up here treat it that way |
| 18:31.40 | maquis | regardless of whether there are pedestrians on the crosswalk |
| 18:31.44 | maquis | or... directly in front of them |
| 18:31.51 | maquis | (apparently the yield is only to other cars...) |
| 18:36.34 | tensai | right of way or not, it behooves the smaller party to be more careful |
| 18:37.54 | maquis | tensai: true |
| 18:38.08 | maquis | but, sometimes it's really hard to figure out the intentions of the driver of a car |
| 18:38.21 | tensai | something byu students are very good at not doing |
| 18:38.29 | maquis | and it's really frustrating to be a pedestrian, following the lighted sign that says "walk" and nearly getting run over by a stupid driver |
| 18:39.41 | maquis | i mean, it's one thing to talk about the stupid byu students who walk into the crosswalk right in front of a car while reading a book without even looking up |
| 18:40.08 | maquis | but i'm walking across the street, they've had a red light for the past minute, i've crossed 5 lanes of traffic already, and some car goes zooming through on a right-turn at 45 mph |
| 18:41.01 | elg | i think cyclists should be aware of peds just like motorists should, and just like they'd hope motorists are aware of cyclists |
| 18:41.18 | maquis | yeah |
| 18:41.19 | elg | and, i think peds should be cognizant of the fact that that car weighs a gazillion times more than him |
| 18:41.26 | maquis | but motorists don't pay attention to anyone |
| 18:41.32 | elg | something byu peds are amazingly able to put out of mind |
| 18:42.36 | maquis | i'm insanely cautious, and that's the *only* reason i haven't been flattened |
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| 19:24.18 | sjansen | elg: So? As far as I was concerned, a drivers incentive to not hit me far outweighed my probability of getting hit. |
| 19:24.40 | tristanbob__ | congrats Zelut and eightyeight on their new Linux consulting business! |
| 19:25.19 | sjansen | It was _my_ campus. For a long time I didn't even have a car. If they didn't like me walking in front of them, they could stay off my campus. |
| 19:26.08 | levi | elg: I tend to treat stop signs as yields on my bike, too. |
| 19:26.18 | maquis | sjansen: if the driver's incentive to not hit you outweighed the probability of you getting hit, that was good. up here these days, where i'm a pedestrian most of the time when i'm not on the bus, i don't think that's true |
| 19:27.20 | levi | elg: In group rides, etiquette says the first to a stop sign slows, checks for cars, and yells 'clear' if it's clear, and everyone else knows to keep going (cautiously). |
| 19:28.30 | maquis | levi: my assumption is that that must differ by state |
| 19:28.39 | levi | The law generally says that bikes must obey all traffic laws, though. |
| 19:28.49 | maquis | as i know my friend got ticketed for not stopping at a stop sign in a bike |
| 19:28.55 | levi | maquis: I didn't say that this was legal behavior, just that it's what's done. |
| 19:29.19 | maquis | yeah... |
| 19:29.23 | sjansen | You know, a bike hitting the front of my car would more than likely _improve_ the way my car looks... |
| 19:29.45 | sjansen | levi: So, tell me more about when and where these group rides occur. };-) |
| 19:30.21 | levi | Well, obviously they're not going to go if it's not safe to do so. |
| 19:31.49 | levi | Only couriers and hardcore obnoxious roadies value efficiency over safety. |
| 19:40.48 | levi | elg's link to bicycling.com explains the reasoning behind cyclist behavior. |
| 19:43.01 | levi | One of the problems with red lights, especially, is that you can't trigger the car sensors on your bike, so if no cars are going your way, you're stuck. |
| 19:45.11 | maquis | levi: car sensors? |
| 19:46.46 | levi | maquis: Many traffic lights at intersections where traffic one way is far less common than the other have sensors on the less-used road, so the primary road stays green until a car is stopped trying to get through the intersection. |
| 19:47.45 | levi | If it's a bike stopped at the intersection, the light just stays red indefinitely. |
| 19:49.23 | goozbach | what can be used for audio transcoding other than ffmpeg? |
| 19:49.24 | sjansen | Now there's a pet peeve. The number of people who don't seem to know about or understand how to trigger the sensors. |
| 19:49.32 | goozbach | something which has speex support |
| 19:49.41 | maquis | levi: ah... that makes sense |
| 19:50.15 | maquis | levi: are motorcycles able to trigger them? or is it just cars that can get them to work? |
| 19:50.18 | maquis | (just curious) |
| 19:50.27 | goozbach | maquis: http://www.howstuffworks.com/question234.htm |
| 19:50.49 | maquis | notes that motorcyclists around here seem to be crazier than car drivers, but cyclists seem to be more careful |
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| 19:52.35 | maquis | goozbach: ah... interesting |
| 19:52.58 | levi | It probably depends on how the inductive sensor is tuned. |
| 19:53.04 | levi | And how big the motorcycle is. |
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| 19:54.51 | levi | Most bicycles have very little iron in them, though. |
| 19:55.21 | maquis | yeah |
| 19:55.42 | maquis | you guys see the stuff about the bamboo bikes that some company recently started working on? |
| 19:56.00 | levi | No, but I've seen pictures of custom-built bamboo bikes. |
| 19:56.22 | maquis | they're being built over in a certain area of africa where they have a lot of bamboo... some americans over there helped a bunch of guys start up their own company and are helping with the importing and everything |
| 19:56.29 | maquis | supposed to be a really good project |
| 19:58.34 | elg | lots of areas here have bike lanes with little bike-sensitive sensors for lights. that's kind of cool. there's one notable left turn exception on my route though |
| 19:59.54 | elg | goozbach: sox maybe? |
| 20:00.04 | sjansen | ~pelt redbeard2 |
| 20:01.08 | redbeard2 | sjansen: i see you read my reply |
| 20:02.15 | sjansen | ~pelt redbeard2 |
| 20:02.16 | ibot | ACTION loads a pitching machine with old mice then buries redbeard2 in a rapid fire rain |
| 20:08.26 | robertj_ | anybody in happy valley try to do wifi across utah lake? |
| 20:08.42 | elg | robertj_: what kind? |
| 20:08.53 | robertj_ | 2.4 |
| 20:09.03 | elg | I've seen a demo of that, the long way, but not regular 802.11 |
| 20:12.15 | robertj_ | I had a link going, but I am just wondering how reliable it will be |
| 20:12.38 | elg | this demo (which wasn't regular 802.11, iirc) had a videoconference |
| 20:13.42 | robertj_ | I wonder if it was amplified or with your standard wireless router |
| 20:14.39 | elg | don't remember. it was at fugal.com in abt 2004, it was wireless, there was a video conference from the sw corner of the lake to their offices in PG |
| 20:16.33 | sjansen | ~pelt levi |
| 20:16.34 | ibot | ACTION loads a pitching machine with old mice then buries levi in a rapid fire rain |
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| 20:51.09 | mrpull | Jayce^: the galileoscope is what it is. it is a cheap telescope that is fun for the kids, but it makes me want something much much higher quality. |
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| 21:05.12 | Jayce^ | wonder how long till they just buy 'em out.. http://mashable.com/2009/08/12/word-patent/ |
| 21:05.28 | Jayce^ | blocked from selling word, right at the beginning of the school year |
| 21:06.25 | mrpull | i4i should be kicked in the nuts |
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| 21:35.10 | tensai | mrpull: I would say though that it's money better spent than on a department store telescope |
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| 21:40.24 | mrpull | tensai: my 5 year olds got a kick out of seeing the moon closer, but their attention span is so short it would be hard to justify even a department store telescope. |
| 21:41.14 | mrpull | i'll have to get some advice from you experts in a couple years when i decide to get an enthusiastic starter scope |
| 21:41.38 | Migs | oh yeah, I forgot about the moon |
| 21:42.51 | mrpull | Migs: how could you forget the moon? http://bit.ly/1Qvsdc |
| 21:44.15 | Migs | can't listen right now...headphones just died |
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