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| 04:28.32 | levi | snickers at the IBD editorial that claims that people like Stephen Hawking wouldn't stand a chance in the UK, where the NHS would say that he was worthless. |
| 04:35.49 | Sargun | levi, who is that put out by? |
| 04:36.50 | JoshH | rachel maddow had a good segment tonight, about an investigation of a group putting out ads meant to scare seniors into going against the obama plan |
| 04:37.25 | JoshH | claiming to be non-partisan, but managed by republicans with very political backgrounds, funded almost exclusively by pharma companies |
| 04:41.54 | JoshH | and the same group has used callcenters to get prescription drug reforms killed in other states in the past, funded by pharma then as well |
| 04:44.30 | levi | Sargun: IBD = Investor's Business Daily |
| 04:44.35 | Sargun | ah |
| 04:44.53 | Sargun | levi, my question was closer to who owns IBD/the person who wrote the article |
| 04:46.33 | levi | I dunno how they pick what editorials they'll run. |
| 04:48.50 | levi | But whatever the process is, it lets in some pretty far right-wing stuff. |
| 04:52.56 | levi | I don't think I'll ever be able to feel comfortable with the insanity of politics. |
| 04:54.04 | JoshH | well, whe you think of an "investor", you don't exactly get a mental image of unwashed hippies playing hacky sack |
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| 05:23.22 | elg | grumble |
| 05:23.41 | elg | comcast dvr trying to record shows on hd channels that it apparently can't tune. i get audio but no video |
| 05:29.46 | levi | elg: Weird. |
| 05:30.12 | elg | it's an SD dvr |
| 05:30.26 | elg | but I do get audio |
| 05:31.15 | levi | I had an HD dvr when I had comcast. I loved it, though we didn't record much HD. |
| 05:31.30 | levi | HD looks so much nicer, though. |
| 05:32.23 | levi | elg: You enjoying your new bike? |
| 05:35.54 | elg | yeah |
| 05:36.36 | elg | my initiation today, i had to rush to the train (comcast guy was late) so I got there all sweaty, then had forgotten my lock, and on the way home the train was delayed seriously (some problem on the tracks at one station) |
| 05:36.47 | elg | not a typical day I hope ;-) |
| 05:36.59 | elg | i have an sd tv for now, so i could care less |
| 05:37.05 | elg | as long as I get picture |
| 05:37.28 | elg | comcast chat lady says it's expected that sd tuner will get audio but no picture on hd channels |
| 05:37.39 | elg | so now i've got her stumped it seems, about how to get the dvr to just ignore those channels |
| 05:37.42 | elg | what a stupid design |
| 05:37.52 | elg | i am and always have been wholly unimpressed by comcast dvrs |
| 05:38.13 | elg | but I don't have the desire to support myth right now, or fight the "cables in the living room" battle |
| 05:38.54 | JoshH | elg, should have got directv |
| 05:39.12 | JoshH | better product all around, and better dvr |
| 05:40.19 | elg | well i'm not locked into anything, but comcast did have a better lineup |
| 05:40.26 | elg | i'll probably change it when i get an hd tv in the nearish future |
| 05:40.38 | elg | i like dish's dvr |
| 05:40.49 | elg | but i've thought about going with a tivo |
| 05:40.53 | elg | which doesn't work with sattelite |
| 05:40.56 | elg | not hd anyway |
| 05:41.33 | elg | i understand tivo's ui is very good |
| 05:41.39 | JoshH | when i last comopared dtv and dish, dtv packages had more for for the buck |
| 05:41.45 | JoshH | but i don't know about the dish dvr |
| 05:41.46 | elg | i don't need more |
| 05:41.52 | elg | i need abt 5 specific channels |
| 05:42.17 | JoshH | i hads to get the "plus" package to get military channel, science channel, national geographic, etc |
| 05:42.39 | elg | i've never seen the directv dvr, but the dish one is awesome |
| 05:42.49 | levi | My parents had a Tivo and liked it. I used it a bit, and it was nice. |
| 05:42.50 | JoshH | those same channels on dish would have needed a pricier package than the dtv equivalent |
| 05:43.24 | JoshH | tivo has the best interface overall, for sure |
| 05:43.28 | levi | You had myth running before, didn't you? |
| 05:43.29 | elg | well the comcast chick was chasing her tail so I hung up on her |
| 05:43.34 | elg | yeah, it works fine |
| 05:43.53 | elg | i might get a frontend box for the living room |
| 05:44.23 | levi | I can probably find my frontend hardware list, if you want to make one. |
| 05:44.28 | elg | but i worry it would be a partial solution at best because there's bound to be some channel that I care about that's not clearqam |
| 05:45.01 | levi | Well, all you need is a SD tuner card and a regular cable box. |
| 05:45.27 | elg | that's fine for sd |
| 05:45.28 | levi | If you don't care about HD content. |
| 05:45.32 | elg | but the near-term goal is hd |
| 05:45.40 | elg | probably christmas |
| 05:45.49 | levi | Ah, well, that's the catch. Stupid DRM. |
| 05:46.05 | elg | ya |
| 05:46.34 | levi | I'm satisfied with my OTA solution. |
| 05:46.51 | levi | It records more interesting things than I have time or inclination to watch. |
| 05:50.31 | levi | I wonder how much of a PITA it would be to implement an xmpp client. |
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| 05:55.00 | elg | well, lots o' xml |
| 05:56.06 | bonez46 | I run the following, as root > 'useradd -G mail scott' and it reports 'useradd: user scott exists' which suggests that 'id scott' should list mail as a group to which scott belongs.. and yet, 'id scott' does not include 'mail' as a group, but does include others.. WHY? |
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| 06:05.03 | levi | elg: Well, I'd use a language that's good at slicing and dicing xml. |
| 06:06.18 | levi | bonez46: Maybe you want usermod instead of useradd? |
| 06:06.32 | elg | oh bump |
| 06:06.53 | elg | looks like my lan subnet clashes with the fb lan/vpn |
| 06:07.08 | elg | which means I have to reorg at home so I can get on the vpn |
| 06:07.51 | levi | Bummer. |
| 06:13.02 | elg | theoretically I'm sure my little subnet probably doesn't clash, but I'd have to get the vpn client to properly set up the routing tables |
| 06:13.07 | elg | which is probably not gonna happen |
| 06:23.08 | levi | Heh, the xmpp RFC has some issues with their cross-references. |
| 06:24.10 | bonez46 | levi: I am still confused by the two.. do I use useradd to add someone new.. while to just change an existing user it would be usermod? |
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| 06:25.39 | levi | It has a section that defines JIDs in ABNF format and references Appendix B of [IPv6] for rules defining IPv4address and IPv6address. The footnote for IPv6, however, references an updated RFC in which Appendix B is a list of changes from the previous RFC, one of which is the elimination of the aforementioned ABNF descriptions for addresses. :) |
| 06:26.23 | levi | bonez46: Yes, I believe that's the meaning the 'add' and 'mod' suffixes are meant to confer. |
| 06:27.07 | levi | I try to avoid unix sysadmin stuff as much as possible these days, though, so I don't really know. |
| 06:46.35 | levi | No wonder they removed that appendix, it's crap. |
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| 15:05.45 | tristanbob_ | evolution, why do you take up 1.4 GB of memory? leaky leaky |
| 15:09.15 | sinuhe | Yay for mutt. |
| 15:10.46 | sinuhe | As for calendar, notes, task lists, that's what my Palm Pre is for (that, or Emacs). |
| 15:11.03 | sinuhe | Or google calendar |
| 15:12.49 | Sargun_Screen | moved to zimbra and is loving it. |
| 15:15.30 | sinuhe | Open Source edition looks interesting. |
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| 15:22.44 | tensai | tristanbob_: I dropped evolution for thunderbird. I kinda miss the built-in calendar but I don't miss the quirks. |
| 15:42.00 | levi | Yay for org-mode! |
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| 15:50.47 | levi | Boo for high-latency connections. |
| 15:52.07 | mrpull | Jayce^: is there a PLUG discount code for UTOSC this year? |
| 15:52.15 | Jayce^ | but of course |
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| 16:12.35 | RyanE | Yeah, now that they haven't scheduled it the same week as CEDIA, I might be able to go. :) |
| 16:13.28 | Jayce^ | maybe your company wants to put up a booth for the geeks to play with toys |
| 16:13.48 | Jayce^ | definitely the gadget market |
| 16:30.33 | elg | it's too early to declare total victory, but I think I have thunderbird+ical doing the necessary exchange stuff here |
| 16:30.39 | elg | with the help of davmail |
| 16:45.32 | tensai | elg: I was just using my aunt's comcast last week and their settop box does the same thing for hd channels, audio but no video |
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| 16:53.28 | elg | i figured out how to get the dvr to record "only on this channel" |
| 16:53.31 | stderr | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_google_service_lets_privacy?utm_source=a-section |
| 16:53.40 | elg | not quite as good as "only on channels other than this (or these)" but sufficient |
| 17:00.08 | sjansen | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_google_service_lets_privacy?utm_source=a-section |
| 17:00.42 | goozbach | I wish onion news network was on my TV every morning |
| 17:12.02 | Zelut | who cares to give me the rundown on using puppet? I've finally found some time at work to dive in. |
| 17:15.34 | goozbach | Zelut: install it, and write a simple recipie |
| 17:15.53 | goozbach | Zelut: there are three concepts you need to know |
| 17:16.30 | goozbach | 1) puppetmaster (the server which tells the clients what to do) |
| 17:16.51 | goozbach | 2) puppet client (each node which connects to puppetmaster) |
| 17:17.45 | Zelut | ok. I've got one six machines I can test with. I can make one the puppetmaster and the others the clients. |
| 17:18.16 | goozbach | 3) the catalog (a compiled "recipie" which is sent from puppetmaster to puppet node) |
| 17:18.38 | goozbach | install the server first |
| 17:18.41 | goozbach | make sure it's running |
| 17:18.54 | goozbach | puppetmasterd |
| 17:18.55 | goozbach | IIRC |
| 17:19.34 | Zelut | ok. daemon running on the master. |
| 17:19.42 | goozbach | then start puppetd on the slave |
| 17:19.49 | sjansen | Dunno. Might be easier to start with puppet on one machine, get used to the syntax, then build a pupper master. |
| 17:20.13 | goozbach | sjansen: sixes really |
| 17:20.27 | goozbach | it's not that hard to get the client server stuff |
| 17:20.45 | Zelut | installing package on the clients, one sec.. |
| 17:20.59 | goozbach | start the client |
| 17:21.17 | goozbach | ooh first you have to tell the client where the server is |
| 17:21.52 | goozbach | /etc/puppet/puppetd.conf |
| 17:21.57 | goozbach | under [puppet] |
| 17:22.02 | goozbach | put this line: |
| 17:22.04 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.11 | goozbach | where cobbler.cxri.net is the name of the master |
| 17:22.16 | goozbach | then start the client |
| 17:22.45 | goozbach | then on the master you have to sign the client cert |
| 17:23.15 | goozbach | that's done with the command puppetca -l to see the cert |
| 17:23.26 | goozbach | and puppetca -s <name> to sign it |
| 17:25.06 | Zelut | puppetca -l shows me No certificates to sign. |
| 17:25.23 | goozbach | is puppetd running on the client after making the change to the config? |
| 17:26.19 | goozbach | try adding the server= line to /etc/puppet.conf (no "d") as well. |
| 17:26.25 | goozbach | mine has it in both |
| 17:27.17 | goozbach | FYI british breakbeat is pretty groovy |
| 17:29.00 | goozbach | sjansen: you might be interested in General Midi (look him up on pandora) |
| 17:29.32 | sjansen | Zelut: Here's an uber-simple stand-alone puppet recipe you could play with: http://buscaluz.org/puppet.tgz |
| 17:30.08 | Zelut | sjansen: thanks. |
| 17:30.35 | Zelut | goozbach: the process is running on both ends. they are connected via the same switch.. I still don't see any certs to sign. |
| 17:31.05 | sjansen | goozbach: Thanks. :-) |
| 17:32.48 | goozbach | Zelut: there may be a switch to pass to puppetd |
| 17:32.55 | goozbach | it's been a while since I set my system up |
| 17:34.09 | goozbach | # puppetd --server myserver.domain.com --waitforcert 60 --test |
| 17:34.25 | goozbach | http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/InstallationGuide is a good "hello world" doc for puppet |
| 17:34.42 | goozbach | the hard part is trying to write your own recipe |
| 17:35.28 | Zelut | [cedwards@cobra ~]$ puppetd --server daphne.wk.part.net --waitforcert 60 --test |
| 17:35.28 | Zelut | warning: peer certificate won't be verified in this SSL session |
| 17:35.28 | Zelut | notice: Did not receive certificate |
| 17:35.28 | Zelut | notice: Set to run 'one time'; exiting with no certificate |
| 17:36.13 | goozbach | well I |
| 17:36.18 | goozbach | 'm stumpped |
| 17:36.29 | goozbach | which distro you using? |
| 17:36.45 | goozbach | and is there a firewall on the puppetmaster? |
| 17:36.55 | goozbach | you'll need to push a hole through if so |
| 17:38.07 | sjansen | s/push/punch/ |
| 17:38.07 | goozbach | sjansen: here's another: Mindless Self Indulgence |
| 17:38.14 | goozbach | uesh punch |
| 17:38.16 | sjansen | Because it sounds more manly. |
| 17:38.24 | goozbach | s/uesh/yes/ |
| 17:39.54 | Zelut | goozbach: the master is running arch. no iptables rules active. |
| 17:44.25 | Zelut | aha, not sure what I did but I see a cert now :) |
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| 17:54.10 | goozbach | it needs to run once then the cert shows up |
| 17:54.15 | goozbach | don't know the details |
| 17:54.58 | Zelut | digging in a little more I found the clock was off on my client which, according to the docs, is causing cert issues. |
| 17:55.04 | Zelut | let me see if I can get it resolved. |
| 17:58.21 | goozbach | ntpdate -u clock.xmission.com on both |
| 17:58.28 | goozbach | worry about starting ntp later |
| 18:01.44 | Zelut | now I'm getting: Certificate validation failed; consider using the certname configuration option |
| 18:06.54 | Zelut | ok. solved a few more problems. I think its working now.. |
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| 18:41.14 | Zelut | goozbach: ok. I did two fresh machines and verified clocks and hostnames first. certs are signed without trouble this time. |
| 18:41.54 | Zelut | goozbach: I followed this - http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/SimplestPuppetInstallRecipe - how can I verify it'll work? |
| 18:45.49 | goozbach | change a file or parameter in the recipie |
| 18:46.05 | goozbach | then restart puppetd on the client and watch /var/log/messages or the equiv |
| 18:46.15 | goozbach | it'll tell you if it was sucessful or not |
| 18:46.32 | goozbach | then look at the resource on the client and see if it changed |
| 18:47.07 | goozbach | in that example change the perms on /etc/sudoers to 777 |
| 18:47.12 | goozbach | then restart the puppet client |
| 18:47.17 | goozbach | it should change them back |
| 18:47.23 | Zelut | simple enough. |
| 18:48.47 | Zelut | I think I need some more complicated recipies to play with now. |
| 18:48.52 | levi | Ha ha, Vorlath is now arguing with people on reddit. |
| 18:50.04 | levi | He thinks he's smarter and knows more about GPUs than Tim Sweeney. |
| 18:50.31 | goozbach | Zelut: check out sjansen's recipie for an example |
| 18:50.46 | goozbach | then there are also many recipies from the puppet site |
| 18:53.06 | Zelut | goozbach: if I'm just using the really basic example from that link (sudo), do I just drop in some of these other recipies in the classes/ and they'll be imported? |
| 18:54.00 | goozbach | you'll have to import them into a node |
| 18:54.51 | goozbach | everything is inherited via sites.pp |
| 18:55.00 | goozbach | site.pp I mean |
| 18:55.57 | goozbach | for example, I have: 'import "nodes"' and 'import "classes"' in my site.pp |
| 18:56.18 | goozbach | which includes manafests/nodes.pp and manafests/classes.pp |
| 18:57.46 | Zelut | I have import "classes/*" in my site.pp. I also have node default { include foo \n include bar }. can you explain the node default? |
| 19:07.39 | goozbach | if you have a node which isn't defined connect it gets the default catalog |
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| 19:17.02 | rsimpkins | NTT just had a huge hickup. |
| 19:17.32 | goozbach | you can define nodes and classes of nodes which inherit from default |
| 19:20.11 | Zelut | I keep seeing this "$operatingsystem ?" how does the client define the result of that? |
| 19:22.19 | goozbach | there's a tool called facter |
| 19:22.26 | goozbach | which sets a bunch of stuff |
| 19:22.36 | goozbach | you can see them all by running it from tthe command line |
| 19:24.20 | Zelut | just what I was looking for. |
| 19:45.04 | sjansen | http://www.nintendomixtape.com/ |
| 19:45.05 | brac | [Nintendo Mixtape] |
| 19:49.55 | sjansen | On second thought, I don't endorse that link. |
| 19:51.47 | goozbach | why not? |
| 19:53.55 | sjansen | I don't appreciate mixing my childhood memories with mindless chanting of obscenities for no apparent reason. |
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| 19:57.07 | goozbach | ahh |
| 19:57.14 | goozbach | so it's not good rap |
| 19:57.28 | goozbach | it's just obscentiies over beats |
| 19:57.51 | goozbach | general midi is pretty cool however |
| 19:58.01 | goozbach | another track just popped up on pandora |
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| 20:33.53 | maquis | apologizes to whoever tried to talk to her over the past couple days |
| 20:34.02 | maquis | levi: yes, the usaa app is pretty sweet, i think |
| 20:35.07 | sjansen | ~lart maquis for... well, just 'cause |
| 20:35.07 | ibot | wallops maquis for... well, just 'cause with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 20:35.12 | maquis | grumbles at the fact that she's going to have to find a new doctor later this year :( |
| 20:35.18 | maquis | stupid tricare |
| 20:36.47 | Sargun | Tricare? |
| 20:37.46 | unum | my sister and brother in law like it |
| 20:38.06 | unum | you often have to find new doctors when you switch plans |
| 20:38.14 | unum | I've had to a couple of times |
| 20:40.08 | maquis | unum: well, tricare will pay for anyone to do the work |
| 20:40.25 | maquis | but they refuse to pay the price the doctors charge, so the clinic i normally go to refuses to take anyone on tricare |
| 20:40.35 | maquis | my dad says tricare pays less than medicare/medicaid |
| 20:40.57 | maquis | (my dad's a doc, so he isn't just some random guy saying that) |
| 20:42.59 | unum | my brother-in-law chose to stay with tricare after he retired from the military and started working other jobs. |
| 20:43.32 | maquis | i'm getting off of it and back to the docs i trust as soon as i can... |
| 20:48.31 | Zelut | ok, puppet just spooked me with its magic. |
| 20:48.57 | Zelut | I set 'package { "openntpd": ensure => installed }', removed the package and restarted the client. yeah, the package is back. |
| 20:50.00 | goozbach | very cool, no? |
| 20:50.56 | Zelut | goozbach: honestly, how did it do that? I haven't defined the package manager or anything.. |
| 20:51.56 | jsmith | Zelut: It's smart like that :-p |
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| 20:54.04 | goozbach | Zelut: it does all the heavy lifting for you in the puppet client |
| 20:57.44 | Zelut | its straight magic. thats all there is to it. |
| 20:58.29 | Zelut | wants to create classes for everything now. just because he can. |
| 20:58.56 | maquis | wait... why do i want magic on my computer? there's enough black magic as it is, and i'm sure magic like that could easily cause innumerable amounts of pain if it crosses to the dark sid |
| 20:59.01 | maquis | e |
| 20:59.25 | unum | don't forget about all of the magic smoke that runs the computer |
| 21:00.40 | JoshH | my favorite quote about puppet: "People are finally figuring out puppet and how it gets you to the pub by 4pm. Note that I've been at this pub since 2pm" |
| 21:01.40 | maquis | unum: yeah... it's always trying to escape |
| 21:02.05 | maquis | just got a practically new netbook with a broken screen as the only problem for 15$ |
| 21:03.01 | tensai | maquis: you paid too much |
| 21:03.28 | maquis | tensai: i disagree... the parts on this thing alone are worth more than 15$, and it's in good working order aside from the screen... totally hackable |
| 21:04.45 | maquis | and worst case, we've got a 19" lcd monitor lying around not being used that we could use to turn the laptop into a working machine |
| 21:05.15 | maquis | comes with linux on it, but i'm gonna prob'ly stick debian on there |
| 21:06.49 | maquis | doesn't think 15$ is too much for any reasonably modern computer, even without a working screen |
| 21:09.29 | unum | my netbook is 900mhz |
| 21:09.53 | unum | and the solid state memory is very small |
| 21:10.10 | maquis | this one's 1.6Ghz with 8GB SSD NAND |
| 21:11.40 | unum | I might have that much |
| 21:13.56 | Sargun | unum, 900 Mhz, unlicensed radio frequency? |
| 21:14.15 | Sargun | bogomips: 5319.00 |
| 21:14.16 | Sargun | bogomips: 5319.70 |
| 21:14.21 | Sargun | that's my system |
| 21:21.55 | sjansen | maquis: Magic is the Ruby way. They've taken DRY to the extreme, largely with Rails leading the charge. |
| 21:26.51 | Zelut | goozbach: is there any magic to the 'Require => Package["foo"]'? I get errors in my clients anytime I include that. |
| 21:32.09 | sjansen | What sort of errors. |
| 21:32.11 | sjansen | ? |
| 21:35.53 | sjansen | The first thing that strikes me is that it should be 'require => Package["foo"]' |
| 21:36.42 | sjansen | Or 'require => Package[foo]' (Puppet lets you leave off the quotes in certain circumstances. |
| 21:36.48 | Zelut | sjansen: Configuration could not be instantiated: Could not find dependency Package[apache] for Service[apache] at /etc/puppet/manifests/classes/apache.pp:8; using cached catalog |
| 21:38.05 | sjansen | Are you using my apache.pp? Notice that I only defined the correct RPM name for SuSE and Fedora. IIRC, later versions of puppet fix that changing it to SUSE. |
| 21:41.19 | Zelut | hmm, must have been a typo or something. recreating based on your apache.pp template and I don't get the error. |
| 21:43.20 | sjansen | Yeah, that's my biggest gripe with Puppet. The syntax is at times mysterious. |
| 21:43.22 | Zelut | I'm now having trouble with the server { foo }, setting. looks like it finds base or init as probable, but chooses the wrong one. |
| 21:43.34 | Zelut | s/server/service/ |
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| 22:12.41 | sjansen | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Aug-11.html |
| 22:12.42 | brac | [C# 4's Dynamic in Mono - Miguel de Icaza] |
| 22:12.49 | sjansen | C# is blowing the doors off Java. |
| 22:13.47 | levi | C# is a half-decent language these days. |
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| 22:15.13 | blendmaster1024 | they both suck, people are stupid to use them |
| 22:15.26 | sjansen | ~moron blendmaster1024 |
| 22:15.28 | levi | blendmaster1024: You suck. |
| 22:15.31 | blendmaster1024 | marketing is all that get them used |
| 22:15.39 | blendmaster1024 | heh, have you used c#? |
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| 22:15.43 | levi | Yes. |
| 22:15.43 | blendmaster1024 | blech |
| 22:15.47 | levi | I have also used Java. |
| 22:15.58 | levi | And quite a few other languages. |
| 22:16.36 | sjansen | blendmaster1024: I'm impressed that you learned how to program at 12 years old, but please wait until you've been programming for more than a couple of years before presuming the declare what does and does not suck. |
| 22:17.17 | levi | Late bloomer. :P |
| 22:17.31 | blendmaster1024 | no. |
| 22:17.51 | blendmaster1024 | what is good is what does what you need and easy to use, i guess |
| 22:18.09 | blendmaster1024 | but you guys are the first i've met that have been able to use c# |
| 22:18.20 | blendmaster1024 | and i have too met people |
| 22:18.36 | sjansen | (Because I'm certain the subtlety was lost on you, blendmaster1024, allow me to explain that I just called you a newb between the age of 12 and 14 based on your infantile comment.) |
| 22:19.03 | blendmaster1024 | ...? |
| 22:19.38 | blendmaster1024 | want me to aplologize? |
| 22:19.43 | levi | blendmaster1024: You need to meet more people. |
| 22:19.46 | blendmaster1024 | oops type |
| 22:20.03 | blendmaster1024 | ick, i'm leaving, i'm just clogging this channel with crap |
| 22:20.14 | blendmaster1024 | see ya another time... ick |
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| 22:21.37 | sjansen | What made him think we expected an apology? |
| 22:22.25 | levi | Beats me. |
| 22:23.04 | sjansen | n=olpc is an interesting name. Makes me wonder if I was more spot on than I expected. |
| 22:23.41 | levi | C# is not a terribly difficult language to get stuff written in, even if it's not the most concise way to express things. |
| 22:29.15 | sjansen | *sigh* So many interesting languages. So little time. |
| 22:31.30 | levi | Factor and Scala are my primary interests at the moment. |
| 22:37.22 | maquis | sjansen: lots of people use olpcs who aren't 12-14-year-old newbs.... |
| 22:37.44 | maquis | levi: you ever used ada? scott's really interested in it, and i was wondering if you've done anything with it |
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| 22:46.31 | levi | maquis: No, but I've looked at it somewhat. It's very Pascal-ish. |
| 22:47.30 | levi | maquis: The type system is interesting, in that you can be more precise about numeric types by specifying ranges. |
| 22:48.26 | maquis | levi: yeah... |
| 22:48.47 | maquis | seems like it's used by lots of government / military systems from what i've seen online |
| 22:49.12 | levi | Yes, that's the primary use for it right now. Government/military embedded systems. |
| 22:49.41 | levi | If you need to write highly-reliable systems, it would probably be a great choice. |
| 22:50.02 | maquis | yeah |
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| 22:52.01 | elg | bemoans a missed pun |
| 22:52.41 | maquis | ? |
| 22:53.02 | levi | It's also got some concurrency features built-in. |
| 22:53.05 | elg | perfect pun opportunity, but the other party wouldn't have got it, so it went by unused |
| 22:55.00 | sjansen | elg: We're here for you. Share. |
| 22:55.14 | elg | it's not nearly as ripe out of context |
| 22:55.28 | elg | but for you i'll try |
| 22:55.54 | elg | my wife likes to type things like names and numbers or whatever in an IM window as scratch paper |
| 22:56.29 | elg | she sent me a name and telephone number out of the blue. I figured that's what happened and she accidentally hit enter |
| 22:57.23 | elg | the correct response would have been "I want to be your scratchpaper" |
| 22:57.52 | elg | not really a pun, but my joke ontology skillz are lacking |
| 23:03.45 | sjansen | ~pity groan for elg |
| 23:03.45 | ibot | I pity da fool groan for elg! |
| 23:09.25 | Tene | http://gist.github.com/166174 -- /me discovers that modern terminals can display 256 colors. |
| 23:09.42 | maquis | Tene: totally worthwhile |
| 23:09.50 | maquis | you can get *way* nicer vimrcs that way |
| 23:09.55 | maquis | er |
| 23:09.59 | maquis | vim colorschemes, really |
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| 23:24.37 | maquis | yawns |
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