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| 04:58.22 | lakshmi | SARGUN |
| 04:58.27 | lakshmi | where i he |
| 05:23.45 | levi | I dunno, probably out chasing girls. ;P |
| 05:50.01 | JoshH | probably watching porn with his irc window minimized |
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| 06:18.57 | Sargun | ~lart JoshH |
| 06:18.57 | ibot | steals JoshH's mojo |
| 06:20.36 | lakshmi | sargun |
| 06:20.37 | lakshmi | ? |
| 06:20.38 | lakshmi | are yout ehre |
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| 15:40.11 | sjansen | http://imgur.com/5RkJK.png |
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| 15:47.54 | toofer | Anyone here have recommendations for Windows Administration books? |
| 15:58.19 | JoshH | sjansen, nice find |
| 15:59.48 | sjansen | toofer: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Art-of-UNIX-Programming/Eric-S-Raymond/e/9780131429017 |
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| 16:00.46 | sjansen | "If you don't have something useful to say... don't let that get in your way." |
| 16:01.55 | levi | Your new motto? :) |
| 16:04.28 | goozbach | *NEW*!? |
| 16:04.28 | toofer | sjansen: Thanks for the find, but the reason I asked about Windows is because I may be getting a position doing some mixed adminstration soon. I'll need to brush up on Windows administration stuff. |
| 16:04.38 | goozbach | toofer: just say no |
| 16:04.38 | goozbach | or hire a lackey! |
| 16:05.10 | sjansen | goozbach: Not everyone has the same talent for training ninja squirrels that you do. |
| 16:10.57 | tensai | cross banshee off the list of media players I'll put up with. it keeps taking control of my mp3 player, even when it's already mounted. |
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| 16:11.39 | tensai | I so wish amarok hadn't been "improved". it used to be great. |
| 16:12.04 | JoshH | i use banshee, but i don't have a separate mp3 player right now |
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| 16:22.59 | levi | Whee, netsplits. |
| 16:36.57 | eightyeight | http://www.knowing.net/index.php/2009/08/10/220-billion-lines-of-cobol-bs/ |
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| 17:15.24 | levi | Awesome, USAA is making an iPhone app that lets you deposit checks via the iPhone camera. |
| 17:15.37 | levi | It's too bad the iTouch doesn't have a camera. |
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| 18:37.10 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 18:37.11 | ibot | hits opapo with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 18:51.42 | levi | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:51.42 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on sjansen and turns sjansen into a brick |
| 19:08.06 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 19:08.07 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, maquis, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 19:13.55 | levi | ~rlart |
| 19:13.56 | ibot | blasts tristanbob_ to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
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| 19:29.22 | sjansen | ~lart levi |
| 19:29.22 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into levi's ear |
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| 19:32.15 | levi | Mmm, sweet randomness. |
| 19:33.29 | goozbach | pipe it through strings, then uuencode, then to the speaker |
| 19:33.32 | goozbach | it's interesting |
| 19:35.13 | levi | I'm attempting to do some crazy cross-release package mixing in Ubuntu to get accelerated video drivers working on my old Thinkpad. :/ |
| 19:43.26 | Jayce^ | w00t, ordered my copy of "Living Dangerously With Saturated Fats"... artist edition :) |
| 19:43.32 | levi | Heh. |
| 19:43.46 | levi | So, removing x11-common turns out to be a good way to strip all the GUI stuff from your system. |
| 19:44.55 | Jayce^ | wonders if goozbach is off trying to get his own copy now |
| 19:45.55 | tensai | I've always wanted to experiment with randomly generated music, but I completely lack the knowledge to begin |
| 19:46.31 | goozbach | Jayce^: link? |
| 19:47.02 | Jayce^ | http://tinyurl.com/kmsgbs for just this book |
| 19:49.15 | goozbach | hmm $30 |
| 19:49.19 | goozbach | may have to wait |
| 19:49.36 | Jayce^ | well, that's just for that artist edition, and those will go quick |
| 19:49.41 | Jayce^ | regular ones will be cheaper of course |
| 19:52.52 | elg | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/10/facebook-acquires-friendfeed/ |
| 19:52.53 | brac | [Facebook Acquires FriendFeed (Updated)] |
| 19:53.39 | Jayce^ | yeah, The IT Crowd was prophetic |
| 19:53.44 | Jayce^ | re: FriendFace |
| 19:54.00 | Jayce^ | http://bit.ly/iUnsv <-- to understand the joke |
| 19:55.43 | Sargun | bit.ly |
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| 20:07.54 | tensai | my wyoming electricians license is very underwhelming. I guess there must not be much of a market for counterfeits. |
| 20:11.06 | tensai | the best is the logo in the corner which is a low res compressed image with very obvious artifacts |
| 20:19.22 | jsmith | tensai: But at least they didn't spend a lot of tax dollars on it :-p |
| 20:19.24 | sjansen | http://www.steampunkmuseumexhibition.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:26.48 | sjansen | levi: http://creativekarma.com/ee.php/weblog/comments/my_verdict_on_the_scala_language/ |
| 20:26.56 | brac | [CK: My verdict on the Scala language] |
| 20:37.49 | elg | isn't there some program to automatically add an ssh? key to a remote host |
| 20:38.08 | elg | i keep telling myself i'm going to use and remember it, but when the time comes, e.g. now, i can never remember |
| 20:38.30 | JoshH | ssh-copy-id |
| 20:43.06 | sjansen | ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub sjansen@server.example.com |
| 20:44.24 | elg | doesn't exist here |
| 20:44.27 | elg | oh well |
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| 20:56.00 | synic | eggyknap: ping |
| 20:59.19 | eggyknap | synic: pong |
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| 21:05.08 | levi | sjansen: That looks really old, and not very good either. |
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| 21:05.41 | levi | sjansen: Dude is clearly having a hard time thinking outside of Java. |
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| 21:15.16 | tyce | why can't eterm's in app refreshing work as good as aterm's? |
| 21:28.03 | synic | ... people still use eterm? |
| 21:29.00 | JoshH | or aterm? |
| 21:29.07 | JoshH | it's all about rxvt-unicode now |
| 21:31.13 | tyce | oooOOOoo |
| 21:31.16 | tyce | likes |
| 21:31.22 | eightyeight | gnome-terminal is all i've ever needed |
| 21:31.25 | tyce | thank you for the heads up |
| 21:31.50 | eightyeight | xfce4-terminal for lighter situations |
| 21:32.07 | JoshH | eightyeight: |
| 21:32.20 | eightyeight | JoshH: |
| 21:32.25 | JoshH | with the daemon mode, urxvt only uses the resources of one terminal, no matter how many you have open |
| 21:32.59 | eightyeight | i only ever have one open at a time. screen ftw |
| 21:33.39 | JoshH | meh, i like screen more for reattaching than splitting |
| 21:34.07 | eightyeight | i don't split much |
| 21:34.26 | eightyeight | usually, i split vim if any |
| 21:34.45 | sinuhe | I still use xterm: efficient, stream lined, simple. |
| 21:35.02 | eightyeight | feature-stripped. :) |
| 21:36.05 | sinuhe | How so? |
| 21:37.23 | eightyeight | profiles are useful based on what i'm looking at. i like having the ability to control scrollback buffers, character encoding and compatibility with backspace and del |
| 21:38.14 | eightyeight | i like placing my mouse over a link, be it in irc, man pages, or elsewhere, and right-clicking to open the link, or save to clipboard |
| 21:38.27 | sjansen | ~gnome-terminal++ |
| 21:38.30 | JoshH | i don't like how gnome-terminal is slow and tends to peg cpu during fast scrolling |
| 21:38.35 | eightyeight | copy/paste is a must, including middle-click |
| 21:38.41 | tyce | Cannot find terminfo entry for 'rxvt-unicode'. |
| 21:38.47 | tyce | and it was going so well |
| 21:38.50 | JoshH | at least on crappy computers |
| 21:39.02 | eightyeight | JoshH: are your cpu cycles that valuable? |
| 21:39.13 | sinuhe | screen has scroll back buffers; I don't use anything other than UTF-8 or iso8859-1, I use X's copy and paste mechanism (though it has the capability to access both buffers), I'm not bothered by right-click copy/paste. |
| 21:39.14 | tyce | nvmind, found my error |
| 21:39.22 | JoshH | tyce: put "URxvt.termName: rxvt" in .Xdefaults |
| 21:39.35 | JoshH | eightyeight: on my crappy computer at home, yes |
| 21:39.35 | sjansen | sinuhe is still skeptical about the whole horseless carriage thing, let alone moving past xterm. |
| 21:39.58 | eightyeight | screen's scrollback is okay, but fails at the mouse interaction |
| 21:40.00 | sinuhe | sjansen still assumes I haven't used gnome-terminal |
| 21:40.25 | sjansen | I never said you hadn't tried it. I just said it was too modern for you. |
| 21:40.27 | sinuhe | eighteight: I wouldn't call that a failure, but agreed. |
| 21:40.37 | sinuhe | sjansen: Modern sounds like a MS buzzword |
| 21:40.53 | eightyeight | hints to sinuhe about tab-completing irc nicks in capable irc clients |
| 21:41.13 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Huh? |
| 21:41.22 | eightyeight | you missed the 'y' |
| 21:41.38 | sinuhe | Ah |
| 21:41.44 | eightyeight | so, you obviously didn't tab complete my nick, or you wouldn't have misspelled it |
| 21:41.55 | sinuhe | eightyeight: :-P |
| 21:42.00 | eightyeight | :) |
| 21:42.01 | sinuhe | Better? |
| 21:42.11 | eightyeight | much |
| 21:42.35 | eightyeight | now your nick is appropriately highlighted |
| 21:42.49 | Heartsbane | rolls his eyes. |
| 21:43.06 | eightyeight | ~poke out Heartsbane's eyes with a spork |
| 21:43.07 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind out Heartsbane's eyes with a spork, pokes out Heartsbane's eyes with a spork repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:43.25 | sjansen | Heartsbane: Just doing our part to drag sinuhe into the 21st century. |
| 21:43.36 | eightyeight | goes home |
| 21:43.44 | sjansen | eightyeight: slacker |
| 21:43.45 | sinuhe | doesn't blame eightyeight |
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| 21:44.50 | Heartsbane | sjansen: leave all the not compatible 20th century where they are this channel should not be backwards compatible as rule! |
| 21:45.21 | Heartsbane | BTW hate to monday |
| 21:45.23 | sjansen | hates threads |
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| 21:45.53 | robertj_ | got a long range wifi question for someone |
| 21:46.06 | Heartsbane | I hope Sargun dies in a fire |
| 21:46.56 | sjansen | (In a python thread): Create thread -> Create object -> Call method on object -> Observe debug message just before exiting method -> Wonder why debug method immediately after method call never shows up |
| 21:47.47 | Sargun | Heartsbane, o.O? |
| 21:48.43 | sjansen | WTF?! |
| 21:48.58 | sjansen | ponders the usefulness of screaming and throwing things |
| 21:49.46 | robertj_ | so I am trying to shoot wifi about 10 miles using two 24db grids. I ALMOST have direct line of sight |
| 21:50.20 | robertj_ | at one of the locations a peak of a rooftop about 500 feet away prevents line of site |
| 21:50.24 | robertj_ | will that present a problem? |
| 21:55.31 | beelzebob | smacks tyce |
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| 21:58.49 | levi | sjansen: So, what were your thoughts on that Scala URL you pasted? |
| 21:59.23 | sjansen | Not yet having read or attempted to write a large Scala app, it worries me. |
| 22:00.04 | sjansen | I agree 100% that back in Jan 2008 the docs really sucked. I know, I tried to learn Scala back then. |
| 22:01.03 | levi | He would totally flip out even thinking about a language like Ruby or Haskell. |
| 22:01.09 | sjansen | I'm not convinced that the architectural problems were entirely the author's fault. After all, he was smart and stubborn enough to actually build something despite the docs. |
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| 22:06.41 | jlp_work | robertj_: depends on how much the building obscures the LOS. it really doesn't take much to block a 2.4GHz signal. how many mW are you putting on that signal with your 24dB gain antennas? |
| 22:07.39 | goozbach | robertj_: how much does it obscure line of sight? |
| 22:07.50 | jlp_work | robertj_: and can you mount the antenna near the obstruction on a mast to swing it above or to the side of the obstruction? (I know aiming sucks when you're using a mast, but hey.) have you tried this yet or are you still in the planning stage? |
| 22:07.57 | goozbach | would an extra 5 feet of pole work to put it above? |
| 22:08.17 | goozbach | mast, that is the term I was thinking |
| 22:08.48 | Sargun | Does anyone know a GUI version of expect? |
| 22:08.57 | jlp_work | Sargun: expectk |
| 22:09.20 | jlp_work | but you still have to know tcl (and you have to know Tk, too) |
| 22:09.24 | Sargun | jlp_home, expect for VNC. |
| 22:09.52 | jlp_work | Sargun: oh, then no. sorry. :-/ |
| 22:09.54 | sjansen | Sargun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GUI_testing_tools |
| 22:10.21 | levi | sjansen: BTW, (0 /: l){_+_} is actually pretty easy to decipher once you know a couple of things about Scala. |
| 22:10.56 | sjansen | levi: I know, I did it myself. But you do have to admit it looks pretty scary when first encountered. |
| 22:11.22 | sjansen | Sargun: Pixmap based GUI-automation is _very_ brittle. |
| 22:11.23 | levi | Sure, but most languages have constructs that look pretty scary when first encontered. |
| 22:12.07 | JoshH | who the heck are these people disrupting the town hall meetings |
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| 22:13.01 | sjansen | levi: But that wasn't my concern. It was the complexity of the type system and resulting brittle architectures. |
| 22:14.08 | levi | I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 22:14.29 | levi | The type system is complex, but it seems to me to enable *less* brittleness. |
| 22:14.44 | sinuhe | JoshH: If it is Massachusetts, I'll bet rms. |
| 22:28.19 | levi | sjansen: Darn you, are you working or something?! |
| 22:28.35 | sjansen | Yeah. Sorry. |
| 22:28.48 | sinuhe | decides to join this century, and switches to Plan9... |
| 22:29.39 | sinuhe | Boo unexpected room of evil; Hooray beer! |
| 22:30.01 | JoshH | mmmmm.... beer |
| 22:30.12 | levi | sjansen: Well, you'll have to explain your comment later when you've got time. |
| 22:30.34 | shalkie | eyes glaze over while thinking how nice a beer would be... |
| 22:31.54 | sjansen | levi: Not much to explain. The essay just sort of waves its hands and says "I can't explain why, but apps written in Scala are hard to understand both at a micro and macro level. And hard to modify." |
| 22:34.15 | levi | sjansen: I wouldn't worry too much about this guy's opinion. |
| 22:40.57 | robertj_ | jlp_work, I am already using a 10 foot pole but there is still a slight obstruction |
| 22:42.56 | levi | sjansen: The guys at Twitter seem to really like Scala, and I imagine they've written a lot more than whoever that dude was. |
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| 22:46.06 | bbeattie | has anyone put in a paper to cover myth/media servers for utosc yet? |
| 22:49.24 | levi | bbeattie: Speaking of myth, is there anything cool and new going on in MythTV development lately? |
| 22:49.57 | bbeattie | levi: not really, they're mostly focused on cleanup and minor stuff, nothing ground breaking.. biggest thing is probable vdpau support |
| 22:50.34 | levi | Yeah, I'm using vdpau on one of my Myth frontends, but I haven't really ben following general development. |
| 22:50.42 | levi | s/ben/been/ |
| 22:54.23 | bbeattie | levi: it's been over a year since a myth release if that's an indication of nothing support cool that has come out. |
| 22:55.50 | levi | Well, I can't think of any new features I'd want it to have off the top of my head, so that's fine with me. |
| 23:05.04 | tensai | bbeattie: http://2009.utosc.com/speaker/list/all/ |
| 23:05.16 | tensai | there's just one that mentions myth |
| 23:05.33 | tensai | http://2009.utosc.com/presentation/39/ |
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| 23:36.39 | Sargun_Screen | hi |
