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| 01:54.17 | Tene | So, I'm reading a mostly-polite flame war on LWN about stable API nonsense in the linux kernel. |
| 01:55.12 | Tene | The thing I keep seeing that confuses me, though, is that some people seem to have a huge reluctance to update their kernel. |
| 01:55.12 | Tene | Why? |
| 01:55.57 | levi | Hmm. I dunno why that'd be. |
| 01:56.12 | levi | What's the 'stable API nonsense' you speak of? |
| 01:57.57 | Tene | stable_api_nonsense.txt in the linux kernel source is the standard reference for the linux kernel dev's policy on providing a stable driver API. |
| 01:58.09 | Tene | That is, their policy of refusing to provide a stable driver API |
| 02:04.41 | levi | I think that policy is a bunch of crap. |
| 02:05.15 | Tene | Huh. |
| 02:06.04 | levi | Doing kernel driver development on systems with stable in-kernel interfaces that are actually documented is much nicer. |
| 02:07.00 | levi | And the whole 'your driver should be in the kernel!' thing is crap for embedded systems, where I've done most of my kernel-level programming. |
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| 02:43.40 | Zelut | can anyone suggest what I might be doing wrong here? ssh -L 3389:dest-host:3389 gateway-host && rdesktop localhost:3389 ? |
| 02:44.24 | Zelut | If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to tunnel RDP through a gateway host to a destination host and connect from my local host. |
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| 04:00.22 | vontrapp | i need it to be reliable, not necessarily easy, in linux |
| 04:00.31 | vontrapp | ubuntu to be exact |
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| 14:22.46 | elg | levi: ping |
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| 14:32.57 | elg | jalbretsen: you know, i have a doctor who ringtone you might be interested in |
| 14:37.13 | jalbretsen | ah, doctor who |
| 14:37.38 | jalbretsen | elg, did you watch the 5 day Torchwood series? |
| 14:38.00 | elg | no, I haven't seen any torchwood |
| 14:38.52 | jalbretsen | season one was crap. Season 2 was meh. The 5 day 5 episode season 3 was awesome |
| 14:39.52 | jalbretsen | it was such a turnaround in quality I often call season 3 Bizzaro Torchwood |
| 14:40.31 | jalbretsen | written by Bizzaro Russell T Davies |
| 14:47.45 | elg | heh |
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| 15:06.35 | RyanE | jalbretsen: When was the 5-day torchwood season? |
| 15:06.41 | RyanE | in the US or in the UK? |
| 15:12.57 | jalbretsen | I believe they played it on BBC America a week or so after they showed it in the UK |
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| 15:21.03 | levi | elg: pong |
| 15:21.08 | elg | is sore that bbc america is never in the basic cable or satellite passages |
| 15:21.14 | elg | s/passages/packages/ |
| 15:21.29 | elg | it's the one channel I'd like to watch that isn't |
| 15:21.39 | elg | and i can't ever quite convince myself it's worth upgrading packages for. |
| 15:22.22 | levi | What's up, folks? |
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| 15:43.44 | jalbretsen | elg: Ya, I pay comcast. I pay Netflix. I don't watch most of comcast. So I don't feel too bad about my.... "Catch and release" policy when it comes to watching Torchwood / Dr Who |
| 15:45.03 | emcnabb | still wonders why Michael Halcrow jumped ship to Microsoft |
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| 15:45.24 | sjansen | http://www.billshrink.com/blog/mytouch-3g-vs-iphone-vs-palm-pre/ |
| 15:56.54 | levi | emcnabb: What do you mean 'jumped ship to Microsoft'? Is he working there? |
| 15:57.28 | goozbach | or hes using windows!? |
| 15:57.32 | goozbach | oh the humannity! |
| 15:57.34 | emcnabb | levi, yeah |
| 15:57.49 | emcnabb | been for maybe 6 months or so |
| 15:57.50 | levi | I imagine they offered him a good salary and something interesting to work on. |
| 15:58.16 | levi | I'd work for them. |
| 15:58.22 | emcnabb | levi, I agree, but he used to be the most passionate person I ever met about FLOSS (and the GPL in particular) |
| 15:58.28 | emcnabb | close to Stallman himself |
| 15:58.36 | levi | Well, some people grow up, thankfully. ;) |
| 15:58.38 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 15:58.50 | goozbach | *THAT* explains the recent microsoft patches to the linux kernel... |
| 15:58.55 | goozbach | I was wondering... |
| 15:59.04 | goozbach | :) |
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| 15:59.23 | goozbach | wonder why I had that set |
| 15:59.29 | goozbach | *shrug* |
| 15:59.29 | emcnabb | he works on bitlocker |
| 16:02.16 | levi | Where else do you get to work on software that the vast majority of computers have installed? |
| 16:05.39 | emcnabb | levi, that doesn't necessarily make it a good place to work |
| 16:05.57 | emcnabb | millions of systems use the software I work on |
| 16:08.42 | levi | I didn't say it was the only reason you'd want to work there. |
| 16:09.08 | levi | And old high school friend of mine works there and really likes it. |
| 16:09.17 | emcnabb | I have friends there too |
| 16:09.47 | emcnabb | one of my friends from college is on the IE team |
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| 16:16.34 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
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| 16:16.38 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
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| 16:17.39 | sjansen | ~retaliate emcnabb |
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| 17:05.21 | levi | Oooh, Godel, Escher, Bach video lectures from MIT OCW: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/hs/geb/VideoLectures/index.htm |
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| 18:46.05 | jsmith | Any perl mongers willing to answer a silly question about XML::TreeBuilder? |
| 18:46.40 | findlay | jsmith: only if you'll answer my hardware question |
| 18:46.42 | jsmith | (Trying to figure out if there's a way to get it to output cleaner XML... it's outputing <tag></tag> instead of <tag/>) |
| 18:46.53 | jsmith | findlay: I can answer hardware questions in my sleep! |
| 18:47.39 | findlay | jsmith: I'm sure there's a flag somewhere you can set, although I haven't used perl in a while |
| 18:48.22 | findlay | well, jsmith and general audience, my computer froze yesterday so I hard rebooted it and it wouldn't even get to the bios screen |
| 18:49.15 | jsmith | has a pastebin of a simple example at http://pastebin.com/m4eb2f3b7 |
| 18:49.21 | goozbach | pull everything out, and re-seat it |
| 18:49.27 | goozbach | then try booting it |
| 18:49.45 | findlay | at first I thought it was a bios problem because after rebooting several times (and pulling out the battery and power cord) once the bios screen came up telling me the bios had a bad checksum, several reboots (and several hours) later I rebooted and it got halfway through booting ubuntu before it froze again |
| 18:50.08 | jsmith | goozbach! You're a perl monk, right? |
| 18:50.10 | findlay | so, now I'm suspicious that it's more serious than a bios fault |
| 18:51.24 | jsmith | Could be overheating... bad capacitor... or a loose screw shorting something out |
| 18:51.34 | findlay | goozbach: yes, my next move was to take the thing apart. It's an eeepc 701 |
| 18:51.59 | goozbach | jsmith: not a monk |
| 18:52.09 | goozbach | but a churchgoer at least |
| 18:52.42 | levi | findlay: Sounds like you need a new computer. |
| 18:53.09 | jsmith | goozbach: Mind meditating on my little pastebin (while I torture your former co-workers in Florida)? |
| 18:53.26 | findlay | levi: yes, I've been debating between the dell lattitude 10 and the asus eeepc 1005HA |
| 18:54.18 | goozbach | levi: the lattitude 10 is a great canidate for a hackintosh |
| 18:54.29 | goozbach | jsmith: already meditating |
| 18:54.33 | findlay | the brand new eeepcs look very much like the new thin macs, but don't have as good of battery life, or structural integrity from the looks of it |
| 18:54.44 | levi | goozbach: And they're probably faster than my iBook G4. :P |
| 18:54.54 | goozbach | jsmith: just asked my local perl expert |
| 18:54.58 | goozbach | he didn't know |
| 18:55.10 | levi | findlay: Well, not *all* of the extra money you pay for a Mac is profit margin. |
| 18:55.48 | findlay | levi: quite true |
| 18:56.13 | levi | The unibody aluminum construction of new MacBooks is pretty cool. |
| 18:57.36 | findlay | however I meant that the eeepc 1008 "sea clam" or whatever they call them are less sturdy and have less battery life than the eeepc 1005's, but the other comparison might as well be true too |
| 18:58.33 | jsmith | goozbach: :-( From the looks of it HTML:TreeBuilder (and hence XML::TreeBuilder) are pretty simple, and don't offer much in the way of knobs to tweak |
| 18:59.03 | findlay | now that I've just finished my last final for the summer, I actually have some time to be a computer geek |
| 18:59.07 | goozbach | yeah, may have to look into a different XML engine |
| 18:59.09 | findlay | at least for a week or two :) |
| 18:59.12 | levi | findlay: Fun! |
| 18:59.19 | levi | findlay: What classes did you take? |
| 18:59.35 | findlay | levi: complex analysis and ODEs |
| 18:59.39 | levi | And imagine what it'll be like when you graduate. ;) |
| 18:59.54 | findlay | that will be nice |
| 19:00.02 | jsmith | goozbach: Not my code, not my choice :-( |
| 19:00.46 | goozbach | does it need to be shorttags? |
| 19:00.46 | findlay | jsmith: you can always rig it to pipe through an XML cleaner :) |
| 19:00.52 | goozbach | it's valid I suppose |
| 19:01.58 | findlay | the real question is whether I can afford to blow $400 on a new machine |
| 19:02.02 | jsmith | goozbach: It's valid, but ugly... I'd prefer to have indented output with short tags |
| 19:02.09 | jsmith | goozbach: (as this is XML for human consumption) |
| 19:03.06 | levi | findlay: Can you do without a computer? |
| 19:03.57 | findlay | jsmith: isn't there some perl module you could use to prettify it? Something like $pretty_XML = PrettifyXML($my_XML_output); |
| 19:04.15 | findlay | levi: for the short time that I have off from school, probably |
| 19:04.56 | levi | findlay: Well, what about when you go back to school? |
| 19:05.21 | findlay | I don't know, I suppose I can, but I'd rather not |
| 19:08.05 | levi | Well, sounds like you need to find a way to afford it. :) |
| 19:08.17 | levi | Sell some plasma? ;) |
| 19:13.10 | findlay | I'm sure it will be fine. I just don't want to do it before my wife and I figure out how it will affect our budget |
| 19:13.56 | levi | Good plan. |
| 19:20.10 | sjansen | jsmith: Isn't the answer to every Perl problem a regex? |
| 19:22.46 | sjansen | jsmith: We use a modified version of a perl script called xmlformat, if you're interested. |
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| 19:37.07 | goozbach | pipe it through xmllint |
| 19:41.58 | goozbach | jsmith: http://pastebin.com/m68790398 |
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| 20:35.48 | jsmith | goozbach: I knew I could do *that* |
| 20:37.56 | goozbach | jsmith-away: well then do it *shrug* |
| 20:38.11 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:44.17 | stderr | http://wellknowwhenwegetthere.blogspot.com/2009/08/sincerely-john-hughes.html |
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| 20:50.22 | levi | Wow, that's pretty cool. |
| 20:52.22 | jalbretsen | http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/08/05 |
| 20:54.57 | goozbach | that is AWESOME! |
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| 21:16.33 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://utos.org/irc | Log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | UTOSC 2009 Registration is open - http://sn.im/utos-reg | UTOSC Call for Papers ends Aug 27 | RIP John Hughes |
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