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| 00:25.40 | RyanE | Sargun_Screen: I don't know much about that sort of thing, I don't spec the processors, etc. If it's not specifically defcon-related, maybe an xbee board or two and a micro would work. |
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| 03:41.03 | bonez46 | any of you using exim4? |
| 03:42.02 | levi | I'm using some version of exim. |
| 03:44.10 | bonez46 | I have 4.69 running on my ubuntu 9.04 desktop.. trying to get it configured to work correctly with mailman.. but this version of exim looks completely different.. at least in the editable config files I have examined. they aren't just plain statements.. but have all these if and endif statements.. |
| 03:44.11 | bonez46 | am I looking to edit the wrong files before running the update script? |
| 04:15.11 | levi | Sorry, beats me. I just run dpkg-reconfigure and configure it that way. :) |
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| 04:20.55 | bonez46 | hmmm ok |
| 04:20.56 | bonez46 | thanks |
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| 14:32.06 | elg | ~rlart |
| 14:32.07 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Sargun |
| 14:34.09 | eightyeight | in 'man lsof', it mentions that an open file can be "an executing text reference". any idea what that means? |
| 14:35.41 | goozbach | eightyeight: I'm supposing that means shell script? |
| 14:35.47 | goozbach | executing text |
| 14:36.16 | eightyeight | i would assume a shell script is a regular file, which is already mentioned |
| 14:36.26 | eightyeight | i was thinking symbolic link |
| 14:36.42 | goozbach | google says what? |
| 14:36.44 | eightyeight | man pages |
| 14:37.38 | eightyeight | i'm thinking just emailing the author of the page |
| 14:37.45 | goozbach | that's an idea |
| 14:38.02 | eightyeight | if the email is still valid. i guess we'll see |
| 14:38.16 | eightyeight | anyway, just curious if someone here knew |
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| 14:50.13 | elg | sometimes one talks about the text area of a program |
| 14:50.21 | elg | vs the data area |
| 14:50.28 | elg | don't know if it might be meant in that context |
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| 14:54.01 | Sargun_Screen | Any ravers here? |
| 14:54.11 | Sargun_Screen | IIRC there was at least one. |
| 14:54.51 | Sargun_Screen | Anyone here have some recommendations on short range RF that does its own encoding/deocding |
| 14:55.55 | Sargun_Screen | Preferably something that has really good RSSIs |
| 14:55.57 | Sargun_Screen | and low power. |
| 14:59.15 | RyanE | Sargun_Screen: you're looking for digital transfer, i.e. a 'wireless serial port'-type solution? The XBee I mentioned yesterday does that, with some pretty simple examples. It's pretty low power, but I don't know if it has good RSSIs. |
| 15:02.42 | Sargun_Screen | RyanE: So, the current solution looks like we're going to have an arduino with an XBee 2.5 |
| 15:03.11 | Sargun_Screen | RyanE: I want to have "beacons" that transmit a low-power signal that slowly declines in signal strength |
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| 15:08.00 | Sargun_Screen | and for clients to turn on their radio that listen on this second radio only when the beacons are "pinging" |
| 15:08.09 | Sargun_Screen | So, something like this: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8945 |
| 15:08.20 | Sargun_Screen | but that I could fine tune the transmit strength |
| 15:10.55 | Sargun_Screen | RyanE: what do you think? |
| 15:11.06 | Sargun_Screen | That unit is rated for 400 feet, can I make it do 4? |
| 15:16.07 | Sargun_Screen | RyanE: I'm doing location based services |
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| 15:29.47 | RyanE | Sargun_Screen: Yeah, I don't know if the XBee supports signal strength reporting. When you say 'can I make it do 4', what do you mean? |
| 15:30.10 | RyanE | 4 feet? Certainly if it'll do 400 feet, the radio will do 4. Will it resolve RSSI down to 4 feet? I don't know, you'd have to ask MaxStreams. |
| 15:30.46 | RyanE | I don't believe that all ZigBee stacks / hardware surface the RSSI data, though. |
| 15:31.51 | RyanE | Sargun_Screen: For a little more cost, you could integrate a GPS unit and use that for the location portion, if you assume out-of-doors. |
| 15:34.19 | Sargun_Screen | The Xbee does RSSI data. |
| 15:34.23 | Sargun_Screen | I'm indoors. |
| 15:34.50 | Sargun_Screen | Its RSSI data only has 40 possible values |
| 15:36.05 | Sargun_Screen | and my question was, can I isolate that other radio down to like a 10 foot radius of transmission |
| 15:38.08 | Sargun_Screen | Its minimum drive voltage is 2.5 volts |
| 15:38.10 | RyanE | I haven't used the XBee (we use our own firmware running on ember hardware), and unfortunately don't know much about how the RSSI works on the XBee. |
| 15:38.36 | Sargun_Screen | Well, I can get down to the Zigbee layer of the Xbee |
| 15:38.42 | Sargun_Screen | But, I'm not talking about the Xbee |
| 15:38.56 | Sargun_Screen | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8946 |
| 15:39.09 | Sargun_Screen | I'm talking about that |
| 15:43.37 | RyanE | That doesn't actually say it supports RSSI data that I can see... |
| 15:44.21 | RyanE | It just says you could use it to transmit position data, not that the unit gives you position data. |
| 15:44.58 | RyanE | Also, it says only one transmitter is supported in a particular area, so if you were planning on having multiple units in the same area, I don't know if this'd work for you. |
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| 15:48.54 | sjansen | http://failblog.org/2009/08/06/protective-clothing-fail/ |
| 15:49.38 | elg | remember that next time you jump on a motorcycle with a miniskirt, sjansen |
| 15:51.53 | elg | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/06/serious-twitter-outage-ongoing/ |
| 15:53.26 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/funny-pictures-kitten-is-concerned.jpg |
| 15:57.44 | sjansen | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/05/bing-has-succeeded-in-finding-the-worst-jingle-ever/ |
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| 16:03.24 | sjansen | elg: So, you're first week on the job and you're already taking FB down? Way to put your nose to the grind stone! |
| 16:03.36 | goozbach | sjansen: you beat me to it |
| 16:03.39 | goozbach | dang |
| 16:03.56 | elg | fb is down for you? |
| 16:04.03 | goozbach | it's most likey fallout from twitter being down |
| 16:04.17 | sjansen | goozbach: Perhaps you could instead focus on my consistently swapping your and you're. |
| 16:04.54 | goozbach | a bunch of our sites which depend on twitter weren't working properly |
| 16:05.12 | goozbach | they'd download but not render because of the javascript being hung up on twitter's js |
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| 16:06.41 | sjansen | Bing goes the Internet! |
| 16:07.13 | elg | maybe when twitter went down everyone had to go update their fb status to let their friends know they were going potty |
| 16:07.26 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/03/funny-pictures-in-the-future/ |
| 16:07.29 | Sargun_Screen | RyanE: Erm, no, I'm thinking of making a hybrid system, so each client would have one of those plus an Xbee |
| 16:07.45 | Sargun_Screen | I'd use the Xbee to do NOTIFYs, WAKEs, and RSSI readings |
| 16:07.59 | RyanE | If you have the XBee, why would you need another transmitter/receiver? |
| 16:08.44 | goozbach | sjansen: http://failblog.org/2009/07/24/educational-software-ad-fail/ |
| 16:09.16 | Sargun_Screen | RyanE: because the Xbee's RSSIs readings aren't that accurate? I calculated I could only get 12 foot accuracy with them (there are 40 possible readings, the LoS distance of Xbee is 500 feet, this makes a lot of assumptions, but so what) |
| 16:09.38 | sjansen | RyanE: <voice actor="Tim 'The Toolman' Tailor">More power!</voice> |
| 16:09.57 | RyanE | But I don't think the other unit even *gives* you RSSI info. Of course, I haven't read the full datasheet, but that's my take on the summary. |
| 16:10.03 | Sargun_Screen | RyanE: I'm thinking of taking those lower cost transmitters, and tappering down the power while I'm sending out "pings" that way I can get a binary drop out. |
| 16:10.06 | Sargun_Screen | It doesn't give you RSSI |
| 16:10.42 | RyanE | Makes sense, except are you trying to do it point-to-point (i.e. many units, each locating to each other), or a single point and your distance to that single point? |
| 16:10.48 | sjansen | goozbach: Well played. |
| 16:11.05 | RyanE | as that other solution won't support multiple transmitters in the same range. |
| 16:11.20 | Sargun_Screen | but if I can get a bunch of beacons using the cheaper units on the edge of the building, give them 9-12 antennas with a 15 degree spread, switch between the antennas |
| 16:11.39 | Sargun_Screen | and then send out pings, a device will know what zone its in by what pings it can hear. |
| 16:11.57 | Sargun_Screen | The issue with the low cost radios is that I don't know if I could control transmit power well enough |
| 16:12.14 | RyanE | Yeah, you're getting into the foggy area here... :) |
| 16:13.17 | Sargun_Screen | hehe |
| 16:17.17 | maquis | wonders if Sargun_Screen has an amateur radio license |
| 16:17.26 | maquis | can do much cooler stuff with radios once you've got a license... |
| 16:18.44 | Sargun | WTF, one of our new datacenter's rules is no mobile phones in the data center |
| 16:19.06 | goozbach | they don't want you taking pictures of those servers |
| 16:19.23 | goozbach | you might be a terrorist trying to interrupt critial porn services |
| 16:19.38 | Sargun | goozbach, I understand not allowing mobile phone use, but they say no mobile phones. |
| 16:20.22 | Sargun | Bahaha, you can pay their professional photography crew to take pictures |
| 16:20.42 | RyanE | Sounds like a racket to me. |
| 16:20.55 | goozbach | that's what it is |
| 16:21.04 | goozbach | only "official" photos allowed |
| 16:21.17 | Sargun | I hate this sometimes |
| 16:21.30 | goozbach | I recently read an article about cheyenne mountain |
| 16:21.35 | goozbach | it had lots of pictures |
| 16:21.41 | goozbach | I thought it was way cool |
| 16:21.56 | Sargun | All I care about is where my cabinet is, and what's in it |
| 16:22.12 | Sargun | I don't care about all this other shit I have to read through |
| 16:22.15 | JoshH | sargun, that's ridiculous... do they at least provide a pots line and phone? |
| 16:22.48 | goozbach | if they ban cell phones that's the least they could do |
| 16:22.58 | Sargun | JoshH, When we were getting quotes they said we could buy an "internal" line (inbound calling through their PBX only), now they are saying we can buy a POTS line from BT. |
| 16:23.19 | JoshH | aren't you at the former MAE West building in SJ? |
| 16:23.35 | Sargun | JoshH, No, this is a new colo. Equinix UK, slough. |
| 16:23.42 | JoshH | ah |
| 16:23.46 | JoshH | well that's a terrible policy imo |
| 16:23.58 | JoshH | it's one thing if they see someone snapping pics of other customer's cages |
| 16:24.12 | JoshH | but let people use their cell phones to call people while they are working on stuff, sheesh |
| 16:25.18 | Sargun | JoshH, Well, we had similar issues with Equinix US, but we talked to our account manager, and he said it was alright. |
| 16:25.28 | Sargun | JoshH, And gave us "permission" to do it. |
| 16:25.45 | Sargun | JoshH, Also, part of the $25000/mo we pay, we get a phone. |
| 16:25.59 | Sargun | We get charged 4 cents a minute on that phone, but who cares? |
| 16:26.05 | JoshH | stupid "security" policies |
| 16:26.44 | Sargun | yes, stupid security policies |
| 16:27.24 | JoshH | of course, i've taken discreet phone pics at XO's SLC buildings heh |
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| 16:30.56 | Sargun | Whenever I'm mad at accounting (always), I draft up a PO for the cheapest thing I can find. I submit 10 of these, and make them all get processed separately. |
| 16:30.59 | Sargun | (I wish) |
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| 16:34.38 | Sargun | peno? |
| 16:35.39 | peno | ? |
| 16:37.37 | Sargun | nothing. |
| 16:41.03 | Sargun | http://www.reddit.com/r/Diary/comments/983of/dear_diary_my_wife_left_me_but_i_still_have_to/ (NSFW?) |
| 16:57.11 | Jayce^ | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/touchable-holography-uses-wiimotes-to-add-sensation-of-touch-to/ |
| 17:13.36 | Sargun | twiddles his thumbs |
| 17:19.19 | goozbach | sjansen: http://failblog.org/2009/07/26/baboon-win/ |
| 18:32.56 | sjansen | http://thejit.org/ <-- Wow! |
| 18:46.36 | unum | does sprint have an android phone? |
| 18:46.45 | goozbach | unum: not yet IIRC |
| 18:48.10 | unum | looks like they are the same as verizon |
| 18:48.16 | unum | sometime by the end of the year |
| 18:48.23 | unum | my company is giving me a sprint phone |
| 18:49.22 | maquis | anyone here have android currently? |
| 18:49.29 | maquis | is wondering if it's any good |
| 18:49.43 | goozbach | I've got the G1 |
| 18:49.51 | maquis | goozbach: how do you like it? |
| 18:49.54 | goozbach | I have two semi-serious complants about it |
| 18:49.58 | goozbach | both hardware related |
| 18:50.04 | maquis | which are? |
| 18:50.10 | goozbach | the keyboard needs to be full-face |
| 18:50.29 | goozbach | it is a little over 3/4 of the front which flips out for keyboard access |
| 18:50.41 | goozbach | which makes thumbing your text harder. |
| 18:50.49 | maquis | ok... |
| 18:50.56 | goozbach | the second is that there's no headphone jack directly in the phone body |
| 18:51.01 | maquis | really? |
| 18:51.03 | maquis | that's odd |
| 18:51.12 | goozbach | if I have a smartphone, I want to listen to music without issues |
| 18:51.17 | maquis | yeah |
| 18:51.36 | maquis | is trying to decide whether she wants to move to an android phone |
| 18:51.39 | goozbach | maquis: yeah, comes with a usb-like dongle which has mic+headphone jack for your "hands free" |
| 18:52.06 | maquis | i've got an iphone right now, but i'm wanting to mess with more of the google apps and stuff... especially now that i've got a google voice account |
| 18:54.14 | goozbach | which gen of iphone? |
| 18:54.18 | goozbach | wanna sell it? |
| 18:54.20 | maquis | 3G |
| 18:54.26 | goozbach | is it Jail broken? |
| 18:54.36 | maquis | not currently, but it has been in the past. |
| 18:54.47 | maquis | couldn't connect to work network if it was jailbroken |
| 18:54.51 | goozbach | for sale? |
| 18:54.54 | maquis | not yet |
| 18:54.59 | goozbach | the missus wants one |
| 18:55.09 | maquis | don't blame her... it's pretty nice |
| 18:55.26 | maquis | i'll let you know if it goes on sale soon, though :) |
| 18:55.40 | maquis | i've never tried sticking it on other networks, but that's supposed to be possible... |
| 19:26.13 | levi | So, I just played with a myTouch 3G at a tmobile store. |
| 19:27.09 | maquis | levi: any good? |
| 19:27.34 | maquis | is just looking around atm... |
| 19:27.44 | levi | It seemed somewhat less polished than the iPhone, and the web browser is not quite as smooth, but it looked very usable. |
| 19:27.58 | maquis | still have a year or so on my att contract, and if i look too much, i might be convinced to pay 175$ |
| 19:28.45 | maquis | trying to convince myself that a jailbroken iphone will probably have everything i need |
| 19:28.53 | jlp_work | maquis: wait the year. there are supposed to be a bunch of android phones coming out over the next nine months |
| 19:29.12 | maquis | jlp_work: yeah... that's what i'm hoping |
| 19:29.55 | jlp_work | maquis: I really want an android phone, but none of the current offerings attract me |
| 19:30.10 | levi | jlp_work: What don't you like about the myTouch 3G? |
| 19:30.33 | jlp_work | levi: I want a real keyboard, and it has the same dumb HTC "headphone" jack as the G1 |
| 19:34.09 | jlp_work | it is pretty, though :-) |
| 19:35.28 | jlp_work | the touch pro 2 looks like the form factor/hardware I want, but it runs win-mobile... ugh. |
| 19:35.58 | maquis | ick |
| 19:36.03 | maquis | win-mo sucks |
| 19:37.21 | levi | Hmm, the minimum voice and data plans for t-mobile come to $55/mo. Quite a bit cheaper than AT&T. |
| 19:37.53 | jlp_work | I've been with t-mobile for years... don't have any desire to switch. |
| 19:38.07 | levi | I still don't really want to pay $660/yr for a phone, though. |
| 19:38.28 | jlp_work | levi: do you have pre-paid service now? |
| 19:38.34 | levi | I am a very, very light cell phone user. I use pre-paid. |
| 19:39.15 | jlp_work | yeah, a co-worker of mine is the same way. he likes to look at all the new fancy phones, but he's enjoying paying very little for the little he uses his phone. |
| 19:40.13 | jlp_work | I use my phone quite a bit... probably wouldn't save with pre-paid. |
| 19:41.35 | levi | Yeah, if I used a cell phone a lot, I'd have a fancy cool smartphone still. |
| 19:42.08 | levi | I used a treo 600 back when they were new and cool. :) |
| 19:42.16 | jlp_work | heh |
| 19:42.51 | Jayce^ | goozbach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpKIgZ5mI8M |
| 19:42.54 | jlp_work | I still use my Palm T|X. I've been thinking about converting to the "all-in-one" device, though. android is likely the technology to get me to do it. |
| 19:47.55 | maquis | i don't use the voice very much (especially when you take family plans into account) |
| 19:48.18 | maquis | but i do use the data plan a good bit currently -- write posts to escapingreality most days while on the bus to/from work, etc |
| 19:50.08 | levi | If I was commuting via pubilc transit, I'd definitely spring for one. |
| 19:52.06 | jlp_work | yah, me too. but chances of me using public transit right now are pretty close to nil. I can get to work in 10-15 minutes by car, or 90+ minutes by bus (including walking for 20 minutes to get to the closest trax station). UTA sucks. |
| 19:52.38 | maquis | jlp_work: ick! |
| 19:52.51 | maquis | transit here is annoying, but usually reasonably good |
| 19:53.22 | jlp_work | in SLC, transit is all about getting down town. if you don't work down town, it really doesn't help you. |
| 19:54.13 | maquis | ah |
| 19:54.18 | maquis | i guess we have that to some degree |
| 19:54.27 | maquis | although you cna get the other direction depending on where you're going |
| 20:02.53 | tristanbob_ | what types of server nic bonding are people using, and why? |
| 20:03.19 | tristanbob_ | http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/bonding.html |
| 20:04.43 | JoshH | i use it for redundant links to 2 switches |
| 20:05.32 | sjansen | I use it as a practical joke. Which is why I recommend Super Glue over Elmer's, it dries transparently. |
| 20:15.55 | levi | So, I could probably get to work in about an hour via bus+trax. |
| 20:16.13 | levi | About two hours just riding my bike the whole way. |
| 20:16.14 | JoshH | not worth it |
| 20:16.20 | JoshH | the way home always takes longer |
| 20:16.29 | JoshH | and it's always when you don't want to be on the bus |
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| 21:10.39 | opapo | My test page for cups will not print 100% red, magenta or yellow |
| 21:10.48 | opapo | why would that be? |
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| 21:16.45 | maquis | opapo: maybe something with your print cartridge? |
| 21:16.49 | maquis | ummm.... |
| 21:17.00 | maquis | yellow being troublesome maybe/ |
| 21:17.12 | maquis | and magenta? |
| 21:27.29 | opapo | maquis: windows can print just fine |
| 21:27.43 | opapo | it might be the driver |
| 21:28.37 | opapo | I have the make and model it has: |
| 21:28.53 | opapo | HP Color LaserJet 3600 Foomatic/pxljr |
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| 21:31.12 | sjansen | Check if the Windows driver includes a PPD file. Try using it in Linux. |
| 21:32.17 | tristanbob_ | where can I find some netware experts? no IRC channel ;) |
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| 21:37.33 | sjansen | I think you can find some in south Provo. |
| 21:41.55 | maquis | opapo: no idea about laserjets |
| 21:42.11 | maquis | we've got 3 hp printers, though, and haven't had problems with any of them like that |
| 21:42.26 | maquis | despite the fact that i do something stupid to cups at least once a month |
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| 21:49.34 | jalbretsen | ugh, I feel so dirty today |
| 21:50.21 | maquis | jalbretsen: what'd you do? install win7 on your computer? |
| 21:50.41 | opapo | I see a lot of cab files, and a dll |
| 21:50.44 | jalbretsen | no, but I'd rather be doing that |
| 21:50.46 | opapo | I don't see a ppd |
| 21:51.16 | maquis | opapo: has it worked in linux previously? |
| 21:51.58 | maquis | and... have you checked that one website... linuxprinting.net or linuxprinting.org or whatever it's called? |
| 21:54.03 | opapo | no it has not |
| 21:54.12 | opapo | I just dealt with it |
| 21:54.48 | opapo | It has now bothered me enough I am doing something about it |
| 21:55.06 | opapo | I am trying to download the hp driver from hplipopensource.com |
| 21:56.18 | maquis | opapo: check the linuxprinting website... i've had really good luck with them |
| 21:57.28 | maquis | has a deskjet 3640, a deskjet 9800 photo, and a... uh... i don't remember the other model, but it's a combined printer/scanner/copier |
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| 22:10.00 | opapo | maquis: thanks |
| 22:25.46 | maquis | opapo: sorry i'm not more help here |
| 22:27.41 | opapo | I downloaded the new print driver and it works now |
| 22:27.51 | opapo | thanks to everyone for their help |
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