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| 02:19.55 | eightyeight | you know, i've given suse a lot of crap, being a debian/ubuntu guy, but i'm seeing a lot of polish and engineering under the hood |
| 02:20.24 | eightyeight | after running it in a vm at work, i really don't think it deserves the punches i throw |
| 02:21.02 | goozbach | eightyeight: just don't insult rpm |
| 02:21.04 | goozbach | :) |
| 02:21.23 | eightyeight | hah! |
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| 02:22.45 | eightyeight | honestly, i find rpm superior to debs in many ways |
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| 02:32.02 | goozbach | thank you, you may stay |
| 02:32.18 | eightyeight | heh |
| 02:32.52 | eightyeight | i've learning that becoming emotionally attached to things really doesn't bode well in arguments |
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| 14:56.58 | Sargun_Screen | Hi |
| 14:59.30 | goozbach | heddo |
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| 15:24.22 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:31.23 | goozbach | I wonder what would happen if I did /mode +morning to #utah... |
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| 16:00.50 | maquis | goozbach: probably better than /mode +mourning |
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| 17:09.50 | rsimpkins | Good times on the PLUG list. ;) |
| 17:12.54 | RyanE | Yeah, I picked the wrong time to go on vacation... |
| 17:13.02 | RyanE | come back and it's like 180 emails. |
| 17:13.08 | RyanE | in a couple of days. |
| 17:18.27 | rsimpkins | Unmoderated lists have their benefits and weaknesses. |
| 17:18.52 | rsimpkins | but the threads where it is like 2 people talking back and forth - I dont have time to read it all. |
| 17:19.30 | eightyeight | looks like plug is back to normal |
| 17:20.56 | rsimpkins | Now we just need someoen to start a Linux related thread. ;-) |
| 17:21.22 | jnbek|wc | hmm, all my emails are delivering blank |
| 17:21.24 | rsimpkins | I don't really have any questions to ask, but I do have some recent experience with zabbix. |
| 17:21.34 | eightyeight | didn't stuart do that with the tux icons? |
| 17:21.48 | jnbek|wc | does the list strip HTML from the emails? |
| 17:21.57 | JoshH | i think the "problem" is that the people on there don't need to ask many questions or get much help, and when they do, they use other resources besides the list. so there aren't a whole lot of on topic posts |
| 17:23.48 | rsimpkins | The most important discussions on PLUG in the last 5 years have been political or controversial in nature. Not technical. |
| 17:26.18 | rsimpkins | jnbek|wc: Probably. |
| 17:26.45 | jnbek|wc | heh, guess that explains why I never get a reply to my replies..... |
| 17:26.53 | jnbek|wc | sorry bout all the blank mails then |
| 17:27.12 | rsimpkins | Generally Linux related mailing lists are text only. |
| 17:27.18 | rsimpkins | Many people read mail from their consoles. |
| 17:27.49 | eightyeight | html == teh evil |
| 17:27.53 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 17:28.10 | JoshH | you can read html from a console just fine if you want to, but html for email is stupid and shows that you're a big douchebag if you use it |
| 17:28.11 | rsimpkins | html is great, just not in my inbox please. ;-) |
| 17:28.14 | jnbek|wc | well, I use Tbird, and though I don't put anything fancy in there, it always asks me if i want to send as text, or html... I just used whatever it's set too. |
| 17:28.35 | JoshH | i use tbird and have it set to use plain text |
| 17:29.18 | rsimpkins | My friends send me these forwarded html e-mails where like every letter in every word is a different color. |
| 17:29.24 | rsimpkins | I guess they think it is cool. |
| 17:29.27 | jnbek|wc | oh i hate those |
| 17:29.41 | JoshH | ya |
| 17:29.42 | rsimpkins | 'rainbow' font. |
| 17:29.45 | eightyeight | html email is very noticable in mutt |
| 17:29.58 | JoshH | in mutt, you can set it to use w3m or something |
| 17:30.21 | jnbek|wc | I use alpine on the console |
| 17:30.23 | eightyeight | yes. but you still get some extra fluff after links parses it |
| 17:30.49 | eightyeight | fortunately, mutt does a good job of stripping that fluff when replying |
| 17:31.04 | jnbek|wc | it handles html msgs pretty well |
| 17:31.08 | rsimpkins | jnbek|wc: Is that a pine clone or something? |
| 17:31.15 | jnbek|wc | yea |
| 17:31.19 | JoshH | you using links or w3m? |
| 17:31.25 | jnbek|wc | uses the same conf file and everything |
| 17:31.32 | eightyeight | jnbek|wc: links |
| 17:31.37 | RyanE | I read "is that a pine cone?". Too much Yellowstone... :) |
| 17:31.49 | eightyeight | meh |
| 17:31.53 | eightyeight | JoshH: links |
| 17:32.22 | JoshH | point is though, html for email is criminal |
| 17:32.22 | JoshH | not only is it annoying, but it introduces security issues |
| 17:32.23 | stderr | RyanE: woot for Yellowstone. |
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| 17:32.48 | unum | I'm excited for my yellowstone trip |
| 17:33.05 | rsimpkins | Well, despite all the plug traffic we still have over 430 members on the list. |
| 17:34.22 | eightyeight | JoshH: agreed |
| 17:34.27 | eightyeight | i've also set thunderbird to always show body text as plain text, so it doesn't "call home" when i open it |
| 17:34.35 | jnbek|wc | well I'll adjust my settings appropriately :) |
| 17:34.54 | RyanE | stderr: yeah, it was awesome, but would be more contemplative without the 5 kids... :) |
| 17:35.48 | RyanE | on the bright side, the Junior Ranger stuff ($3 / kid) was well worth it. |
| 17:36.02 | JoshH | 5, wow |
| 17:36.02 | JoshH | i'm having my second one soon and i have no idea how i'll handle the extra work, heh |
| 17:36.05 | stderr | haha. I got my girlfriend a Junior Ranger vest when I stopped through there |
| 17:36.15 | JoshH | i want to go to yellowstone bear world |
| 17:36.51 | levi | Yay for Yellowstone. :) |
| 17:37.16 | RyanE | I hadn't been since I was a teenager. |
| 17:37.18 | levi | I mock all you html-email-haters. |
| 17:37.35 | levi | You just have crappy mail clients. |
| 17:37.37 | unum | I'm going to beckler in less than three weeks |
| 17:37.48 | stderr | I used to live in Yellowstone during the summers, so I didn't spend much time there |
| 17:38.42 | eightyeight | levi: my computer also doesn't get sick |
| 17:38.50 | JoshH | levi, we have a deep hatred for emacs |
| 17:39.02 | JoshH | because we learned vi first |
| 17:39.11 | levi | eightyeight: My computer doesn't get sick either. |
| 17:39.25 | levi | eightyeight: If HTML email makes it sick, you may have a crappy email client. :) |
| 17:39.35 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:39.39 | eightyeight | toucge |
| 17:39.41 | eightyeight | meh |
| 17:39.45 | eightyeight | s/g/h/ |
| 17:43.46 | JoshH | the best plug threads are the top posting/html/trimming ones that last a week |
| 17:44.18 | levi | Email could really use some sort of structured markup format. HTML exists, so it got used for it, and when it's properly MIME-encapsulated, I don't see any problem with it. |
| 17:45.40 | eightyeight | i've never seen a reason to use structered markup in any form that plain text can't provide |
| 17:46.04 | maquis | gets distracted thinking about her next home computer project... |
| 17:46.18 | levi | I'm sorry you've had such a lack of experience in working with documents, then. |
| 17:46.36 | eightyeight | isn't that what attachments are for? |
| 17:46.49 | maquis | home projects are *so* much cooler than work projects, regardless of what either one is |
| 17:46.54 | levi | Say, have you tried one of those fancy "web browser" things? I hear they used a structured markup language. |
| 17:47.07 | jsmith-teaching | levi: Email in TeX? DocBook? |
| 17:47.09 | jsmith-teaching | blinks |
| 17:47.16 | maquis | doesn't like attachments |
| 17:47.25 | RyanE | Here's a URL to start a PLUG flamewar: http://freaklabs.org/index.php/Blog/Embedded/Real-Men-Program-in-C.html |
| 17:47.31 | RyanE | maquis: what's your home project? |
| 17:47.38 | eightyeight | so, my email client should be my browser? |
| 17:47.50 | maquis | RyanE: thinking about doing a food-storage inventory system |
| 17:47.58 | maquis | complete with barcode scanner :) |
| 17:48.09 | levi | eightyeight: No, I'm just providing a counterexample to your misstatement that you've never seen a reason to use structured markup. |
| 17:48.18 | eightyeight | ...in email |
| 17:48.19 | RyanE | maquis: Last time I considered that, I was programming on an Apple ][ :) |
| 17:48.31 | levi | Why should email be different? |
| 17:48.37 | maquis | the other day, when figuring out what to get from our next cannery trip, and had to go down to the garage and actually physically count stuff |
| 17:48.39 | eightyeight | email messages should be short and consise |
| 17:48.46 | maquis | RyanE: nice... |
| 17:48.48 | JoshH | i think email should be email and the web should be the web |
| 17:49.00 | JoshH | irc is a text based protocol, email should be as well |
| 17:49.01 | levi | I mean, if structured documents are useful for writing letters, books, newsletters, etc., why wouldn't they be useful for email? |
| 17:49.05 | RyanE | and living at home with the parents... Of course, the bar code scanner was the hard part at the time. |
| 17:49.06 | maquis | might not have been alove when RyanE was programming an Apple ][ |
| 17:49.15 | RyanE | maquis: Probably not. :) |
| 17:49.18 | maquis | s/alove/alive/g |
| 17:49.19 | eightyeight | if the message is getting to the point where you need to style it, then use the attachment |
| 17:49.22 | levi | JoshH: Why? |
| 17:49.29 | levi | eightyeight: Why? |
| 17:49.38 | RyanE | I also made a scanner attachment for a daisy-wheel printer... |
| 17:49.42 | maquis | eightyeight: i don't like attachments |
| 17:49.46 | JoshH | because i like plain text better |
| 17:49.53 | RyanE | maquis: do the cannery items even *HAVE* bar codes? |
| 17:50.00 | maquis | eightyeight: they always stick them in weird formats like doc or, even worse, docx... |
| 17:50.00 | levi | JoshH: I don't see why your preference has anything to do with the matter. |
| 17:50.05 | maquis | RyanE: they don't come with them |
| 17:50.05 | JoshH | if something needs to be structured, i might not want to read it with my mail client |
| 17:50.12 | eightyeight | because an attachment tells me that there is more beyond the message. i don't want to scan endless lines of text finding your buired treasure |
| 17:50.13 | maquis | but i can make them |
| 17:50.28 | JoshH | my main problem with html is the potential for security/privacy issues though |
| 17:50.36 | eightyeight | maquis: i am against binary attachements. i fully support open standards in that regard |
| 17:50.50 | JoshH | and because i don't like people who feel the need to have a blue background and pink letters in their emails |
| 17:50.56 | eightyeight | and attachments shouldn't require a high-end broadband connection to download |
| 17:50.59 | levi | JoshH: Do you ever leave your house? I hear there are security/privacy issues with going out in public. |
| 17:51.00 | maquis | RyanE: i wanna have one on the shelf where the type of food goes, and then one on each can with the date encoded on it |
| 17:51.16 | maquis | RyanE: then, when i pull a can off, i scan the shelf, and then the date on the can |
| 17:52.11 | JoshH | levi: true, but i try not to create them for other people outside, just like i try not to with email |
| 17:52.11 | RyanE | maquis: cool. |
| 17:52.12 | maquis | the app will tell me if there's an older can someplace there (in case somehow my rotation system is broken), and other than that, will update it as "used" in the db |
| 17:52.23 | levi | JoshH: HTML in an email does not create a security/privacy issue. Mail clients automatically following links in email does, whether they're in HTML or not. |
| 17:52.26 | maquis | so, then i can ask my db "what is the oldest can of powdered milk i have and when does it expire?" |
| 17:53.01 | RyanE | maquis: Then I assume you can make a 'shopping list' of both cannery and non-cannery items... |
| 17:53.01 | maquis | or "how many cans of black beans do i have, and how often do i use them?" |
| 17:53.01 | maquis | RyanE: ooh... hadn't thought about that part, but yeah |
| 17:53.14 | maquis | just barely came up with the general idea of doing this on sunday, and trying to decide what all features we'd want :) |
| 17:53.23 | levi | JoshH: If links are not automatically followed, then there is no more of a security/privacy issue than using a web browser. |
| 17:53.29 | JoshH | levi: true, i'm not too worried about the security issues myself, but what it does to other people/companies/etc, and the principle |
| 17:53.36 | maquis | (there are some *really* nice things about husband/wife geek couples... my husband doesn't mind me doing crazy stuff like this... :P |
| 17:54.19 | maquis | and we have enough old junker laptops lying around that we could potentially mount in the garage... :) |
| 17:54.23 | levi | JoshH: So, you argue against HTML email because crappy email clients exist? |
| 17:54.24 | jsmith-teaching | loves being married to a geek wife |
| 17:54.26 | JoshH | html is designed for markup and for following links around |
| 17:54.32 | JoshH | not for "messages" |
| 17:54.47 | levi | JoshH: Why shouldn't "messages" have markup?! |
| 17:55.05 | JoshH | well, i agree with you that a markup language for email makes sense |
| 17:55.11 | JoshH | i just think html is bad |
| 17:55.20 | RyanE | My wife, while not a geek per se, is certainly very 'geek-tolerant', which I think is more important... :) |
| 17:55.57 | stderr | format your emails in HAML, levi. |
| 17:55.58 | RyanE | It takes a special woman to not kill me when her remote stops working because I'm doing an over-the-air firmware update... :) |
| 17:56.05 | levi | JoshH: You have no valid technical reason for that, though, aside from the fact that poor implementations of clients exist. |
| 17:56.18 | JoshH | yes, i know |
| 17:56.35 | levi | JoshH: One would think that the proper answer to that would be to call for better clients, not for removing features. |
| 17:56.57 | maquis | RyanE: nice :) |
| 17:57.07 | maquis | geek-tolerant is good :) |
| 17:57.09 | JoshH | i'm definitely all for better clients |
| 17:57.20 | JoshH | but there's not much i can do about that, other than starting a crusade |
| 17:57.25 | JoshH | but i don't care THAT much |
| 17:57.28 | RyanE | or writing a client. |
| 17:57.39 | levi | JoshH: There's not much you can do about the existence of HTML email, either. |
| 17:58.09 | stderr | this is a ridiculous "argument". |
| 17:58.12 | JoshH | sheesh, does every preference/opinion have to be perfectly valid? |
| 17:58.20 | JoshH | can't i just hate something? |
| 17:58.27 | stderr | refill the flame barrel and start rehashing top posting or something |
| 17:59.49 | levi | Hey, at least it's about something vaguely Linux-related. I'll stop, though. |
| 18:00.39 | levi | My wife is very geek-tolerant, too. She loves our MythTV setups, as long as I can keep them working. ;) |
| 18:01.08 | JoshH | i really wish mythtv with directv worked great |
| 18:01.32 | levi | I just use OTA TV, so it works pretty well. |
| 18:01.37 | RyanE | Yeah, Myth is good. I haven't watched a commercial in years. |
| 18:02.08 | JoshH | or i just wish directv's dvr was better (or was still tivo), and could auto skip commercials |
| 18:07.55 | Sargun | RyanE, you're doing an OTA firmware update on her remote? |
| 18:08.23 | RyanE | Sargun: not personally, but the automation system is... |
| 18:08.48 | maquis | suggests moving the time of the firmware update to something like 4am when she won't be trying to use the remote :) |
| 18:09.08 | maquis | although... if there are any problems with the firmware update, she might be stuck with a bad remote for the entire next day... |
| 18:09.09 | RyanE | I try to remember to fire them off after about 11pm, but sometimes everyone will go to bed early-ish, and I'll forget. |
| 18:09.25 | maquis | :) |
| 18:09.25 | RyanE | maquis: naw, things are pretty stable in that regard. Haven't bricked gear in a *loong* time |
| 18:09.31 | maquis | RyanE: good |
| 18:09.32 | maquis | :) |
| 18:09.45 | maquis | i knocked out our wireless router one evening while my husband was on-call for work |
| 18:09.51 | maquis | and he got paged... while it was still out |
| 18:09.55 | maquis | oops! |
| 18:10.19 | maquis | now, i restrict my router-mangling to days when neither of us is oncall |
| 18:10.56 | Sargun | RyanE, are you the one who works for the automation company that uses zigbee |
| 18:11.33 | RyanE | Sargun: yep. |
| 18:11.35 | Sargun | maquis, tell them to get you an ISDN, and a remotely managed 2600 series or something. |
| 18:11.42 | RyanE | one of the ones, but probably the only one on here... |
| 18:11.56 | Sargun | Man, my mouth feels so raw |
| 18:12.05 | maquis | Sargun: what'd you do to your mouth? |
| 18:12.15 | Sargun | uhm |
| 18:12.29 | maquis | if i don't want to know, just tell me i don't want to know :) |
| 18:12.37 | goozbach | Sargun: stop putting fire into it |
| 18:12.43 | Sargun | goozbach, haha |
| 18:12.45 | goozbach | problem solved |
| 18:13.27 | Sargun | maquis, http://sargun.smugmug.com/photos/609995389_ig7JE-320D.mp4 |
| 18:13.51 | Sargun | I have a picture of the burns inside my mouth |
| 18:14.01 | Sargun | it's pretty nast looking. |
| 18:14.18 | Sargun | there a big chunk of skin on roof of my mouth which is just torn up |
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| 18:14.31 | maquis | doesn't understand why.... |
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| 18:14.36 | maquis | why'd you do that? |
| 18:14.49 | Sargun | maquis, because, it's hot. ;-) |
| 18:16.57 | Sargun | maquis, do you smoke? |
| 18:17.27 | maquis | Sargun: no... i don't smoke... and "it's hot" is part of the reason *not* to do it, i would think... |
| 18:17.45 | Sargun | maquis, It was meant to be a pun |
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| 19:05.31 | sjansen | I'm bored. |
| 19:05.44 | sjansen | Quick, someone say something controversial! |
| 19:06.17 | levi | sjansen: emacs is the best editor ever! |
| 19:06.54 | sjansen | levi: Epic Fail. I said controversial, not obviously false. |
| 19:07.45 | levi | sjansen: You need to check your inference engine, because you seem to have got your truth values reversed. |
| 19:10.19 | goozbach | sjansen: go play splitter2 |
| 19:10.30 | goozbach | http://www.kongregate.com/games/CasualCollective/splitter-2 |
| 19:28.49 | sjansen | [sjansen@simplicity ~]$ cat editors.pl |
| 19:28.49 | sjansen | editor(vim). |
| 19:28.49 | sjansen | editor(emacs). |
| 19:28.49 | sjansen | requires_lisp(emacs). |
| 19:28.49 | sjansen | best_editor(X) :- editor(X), \+ requires_lisp(X). |
| 19:28.50 | sjansen | [sjansen@simplicity ~]$ pl |
| 19:28.52 | sjansen | ?- [editors]. |
| 19:28.54 | sjansen | % editors compiled 0.00 sec, 1,672 bytes |
| 19:28.56 | sjansen | true. |
| 19:28.58 | sjansen | ?- best_editor(X). |
| 19:29.00 | sjansen | X = vim . |
| 19:37.45 | levi | sjansen: You've got a spurious proposition in there, buddy. :) |
| 19:39.43 | goozbach | sjansen: stop being inflamitory and play splitter |
| 19:39.48 | goozbach | the day will just fly by |
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| 20:19.31 | levi | This looks pretty cool: http://julian.togelius.com/mariocompetition2009/ |
| 20:20.03 | mecworks | Facebook -> Settings -> Language Tab -> select 'English (Pirate)' in drop down list |
| 20:20.29 | mecworks | I think it's my language of choice for now. |
| 20:20.50 | maquis | has never used facebook |
| 20:26.19 | levi | maquis: It's like twitter+chat+photo sharing+silly games. |
| 20:26.57 | unum | plus polls |
| 20:27.02 | unum | I took the political compass one |
| 20:31.31 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 20:31.35 | maquis | i don't use twitter... |
| 20:32.00 | levi | Okay, it's like a really brief blog entry that describes your current status. |
| 20:32.20 | levi | Or whatever else you want to broadcast to your friends. |
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| 20:48.11 | rsimpkins | I use IRC for that. |
| 20:48.30 | maquis | irc :) |
| 20:48.46 | sjansen | Friends? |
| 20:48.53 | maquis | irc |
| 20:49.20 | rsimpkins | sjansen: they are imaginary, but super loyal. |
| 20:51.59 | maquis | grumbles at her ulnar nerve |
| 20:52.41 | goozbach | sjansen: kinda like dogs |
| 20:53.05 | goozbach | but with two legs and two arms instead of four legs and a bark |
| 20:53.17 | maquis | and they talk |
| 20:53.42 | goozbach | sometimes |
| 20:55.44 | toofer | They even eat your food so you don't have too. Wait that's roommates. |
| 20:56.55 | goozbach | toofer: roommates != friends |
| 20:56.58 | goozbach | in some cases |
| 20:58.48 | thaddeusq | http://xkcd.com/619/ |
| 21:02.33 | toofer | goozbach: hence the last part of my comment ;P |
| 21:07.22 | toofer | I was just thinking about this the Oracle purchase of Sun again. ( http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/018363 ). Has anyone heard what will become of MySQL? According to MySQL's site they are functioning normally it seems. But to me it's like MS owning Apple at this point. |
| 21:20.01 | sjansen | MySQL is not to Oracle as Apple is to MS |
| 21:20.54 | sjansen | AmigaOS is to Windows as MySQL is to Oracle |
| 21:21.02 | jshipley | Is it more like Boeing owning Sig Manufacturing? |
| 21:22.03 | sjansen | Mopeds are to Hummers as MySQL is to Oracle |
| 21:22.06 | levi | MySQL is like a little toy database to Oracle, I'm sure. |
| 21:22.35 | JoshH | oracle sucks though (to work with) |
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| 21:22.41 | JoshH | mysql kinda does, but at least it's simple |
| 21:23.07 | levi | Being easy to work with probably isn't one of their primary design goals. |
| 21:23.39 | sjansen | Oracle could very easily use MySQL as a gateway drug. "I see your using MySQL. Don't you think you've grown large enough to use a real database?" |
| 21:24.12 | JoshH | mysql is used in some pretty big enterprises though, which is why for all of its problems, i think it's tough to argue that it isn't a "real database" |
| 21:24.40 | levi | Wow, Perl 6 will supposedly have a "useful and usable" release by Spring 2010. |
| 21:24.57 | levi | Not all enterprises need a "real database" |
| 21:25.30 | goozbach | we are sure exceeding mysql's power at my work |
| 21:25.48 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.50 | JoshH | are you switching to somethign else? |
| 21:26.05 | sjansen | MySQL is a glorified filesystem. Many large enterprises also use filesystems. That doesn't mean a filesystem can match the feature set of an Oracle DB. |
| 21:26.26 | JoshH | glorified filesystem, i like that |
| 21:26.28 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.55 | JoshH | don't get me wrong, i'm not really trying to defend it |
| 21:26.59 | eggyknap | Meh... straight PostgreSQL is fine, unless you're already using Oracle and don't want to port everything. |
| 21:27.00 | JoshH | but i think calling it a toy is a bit harsh |
| 21:27.14 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.10 | sjansen | What's a good F/OSS solution for server maintenance tracking? At a minimum, a calendar with recurring tasks and change log. |
| 22:25.21 | JoshH | maintenance? what's that |
| 22:25.41 | levi | sjansen: org-mode in emacs |
| 22:25.58 | levi | Along with the changelog mode. |
| 22:26.16 | sjansen | Ugh. I knew someone was going to suggest an ad-hoc collection of unrelated apps, but org-mode? |
| 22:29.13 | levi | org-mode is awesome. |
| 22:30.05 | levi | I presume you've never seriously tried it. |
| 22:31.10 | JoshH | is there anything you don't use emacs for? |
| 22:33.44 | stderr | writing HTML emails |
| 22:35.52 | rsimpkins | sjansen: There are several open source project management and PIM apps that support recurring tasks |
| 22:36.15 | rsimpkins | I don't know of one speifically built just for server maintenance though. Let me know if you find one. |
| 22:36.49 | levi | I use it for reading HTML email, though. |
| 22:37.00 | levi | And sending text email. |
| 22:37.12 | stderr | :P |
| 22:37.15 | levi | And chatting on IRC. |
| 22:37.27 | levi | And programming, of course. |
| 22:38.21 | rsimpkins | Isn't your pinky sore from hitting ctrl/meta all the time? |
| 22:40.13 | sjansen | org-mode sounds awesome in theory, but every time I try to use it I discover I don't know emacs well enough so I get bored and give up. |
| 22:40.53 | rsimpkins | sjansen: change management is actually the harder problem. |
| 22:41.02 | rsimpkins | sjansen: It implies that you have an inventory management system as well. |
| 22:44.16 | rsimpkins | We use a home grown app here that does inventory, change, monitoring, and performance. Oddly enough, I do not know of any recurring tasks that involve people. They are all automated. |
| 22:44.47 | rsimpkins | I suppose if I needed a reminder, I would look at cron. |
| 22:45.06 | maquis | agrees with rsimpkins... |
| 22:45.09 | JoshH | my daily recurring task: get out of bed |
| 22:45.27 | maquis | i generally prefer not having a giant tool that does a million things' |
| 22:49.24 | levi | rsimpkins: Does your thumb get sore from hitting the space bar all the time? How about your pinky that has to hit enter all the time? Or the one that has to hit 'a' all the time? |
| 22:50.07 | levi | maquis: Better get rid of your computer, then. |
| 22:51.03 | rsimpkins | levi: My thumb is more robust than my pinky. But I guess some people are all thumbs. |
| 22:51.45 | stderr | dang levi, wearing the troll hat today? |
| 22:52.30 | levi | stderr: What? I actually use org-mode to keep track of todo tasks. |
| 22:52.36 | rsimpkins | Levi just thinks outside the box. |
| 22:52.59 | stderr | levi: Oh, c'mon. "Better get rid of your computer, then" ? |
| 22:53.25 | levi | stderr: What's a computer if not a tool that does lots of tasks? I mean, that's the whole point. |
| 22:53.29 | stderr | you know damn well that there's reasoning behind keeping apps concise and focused on one task. Per the *nix fascination of the channel. |
| 22:53.38 | RyanE | "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays" |
| 22:53.46 | rsimpkins | shoots self. |
| 22:55.16 | levi | stderr: There's reasoning behind it, yes. It's even good reasoning. But it doesn't invalidate the idea of a meta-tool that brings together a bunch of single-purpose tools in a common framework. |
| 22:55.25 | sjansen | RyanE: http://www.hulu.com/search?query=Dead+Like+Me ? |
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| 22:56.32 | RyanE | www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/quotes |
| 22:56.33 | JoshH | i'm fine with a great tool that does lots of things, as long as it isn't emacs |
| 22:56.34 | stderr | sjansen: Office Space, but Dead Like Me kicks butt. |
| 22:56.46 | RyanE | stderr: Ding! |
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| 23:53.59 | Sargun_Screen | RyanE: Hey, you might know the answer to this |
| 23:54.24 | Sargun_Screen | where can I find a device that's similar to the defcon badge (1 or 2 IOs, with radio) or the openbeacon tag? |