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| 14:07.16 | tristanbob__ | anyone know if power-over-ethernet can power a PTZ camera? |
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| 14:24.29 | jsmith | tristanbob__: Sure, if you get the right camera |
| 14:25.43 | tristanbob__ | jsmith, yeah, my googling showed some results |
| 14:26.10 | tristanbob__ | I guess it would have to be a small camera, and one with slow turn speed |
| 14:26.23 | tristanbob__ | although they keep pushing more and more through poe now |
| 14:26.25 | jsmith | Typically, yes. |
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| 14:27.21 | goozbach | yay/boo vacation is over |
| 14:28.22 | tristanbob__ | PoE+ is 24 watts |
| 14:28.34 | tristanbob__ | IEEE 802.3at |
| 14:28.48 | tristanbob__ | uses two of the four pairs for power |
| 14:30.57 | tristanbob__ | http://electronicdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=15371 |
| 14:31.10 | tristanbob__ | that article even suggests 60 watts is possible |
| 14:35.12 | tristanbob__ | http://www.axis.com/products/video/about_networkvideo/poe.htm |
| 14:35.30 | tristanbob__ | "Outdoor cameras as well as PTZ and dome cameras have a power consumption that normally exceeds this, making PoE functionality less suitable." |
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| 14:50.35 | Jayce^ | goozbach: http://www.designverb.com/2009/07/11/stefans-stormtroopers-a-day/ |
| 14:50.39 | Jayce^ | wb :) |
| 14:50.48 | goozbach | Jayce^: saw that |
| 14:50.51 | goozbach | nice, no? |
| 14:51.01 | Jayce^ | just making sure :) |
| 14:51.10 | Jayce^ | favorite is the 'piglet' one I think |
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| 15:51.49 | goozbach | Jayce^: the "not the droid" miniseries was great |
| 15:52.24 | JoshH | it looks like a big love episode is filming downtown |
| 15:52.46 | JoshH | tons of polygamists walking around |
| 15:54.02 | fungus | is jealous |
| 15:54.09 | fungus | I love polig watching. |
| 15:57.27 | JoshH | i've only ever seen a small handful around sl county, but this is a huge group |
| 15:57.34 | JoshH | must be the whole flds church or something |
| 15:59.44 | unum | there's a court case about the trust land |
| 16:01.43 | tristanbob | new version of crashplan out |
| 16:01.54 | tristanbob | not many new features, but can get twitter messages about backups |
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| 16:08.03 | markl_ | JoshH: are they real polygamists or actors |
| 16:08.13 | unum | real polygamist |
| 16:08.50 | JoshH | ya, i wasn't serious about it being a real bl episode |
| 16:10.05 | markl_ | ah ok |
| 16:10.25 | markl_ | my wife is addicted to that show |
| 16:10.37 | markl_ | i have to admit the last couple of episodes in the last season were pretty good |
| 16:10.40 | markl_ | for a soap opera |
| 16:11.08 | markl_ | and anything with Chet in it has got to be good |
| 16:11.34 | JoshH | i've seen it all, and like it quite a bit, but it does have a pretty slow moving story arc |
| 16:11.48 | markl_ | ya it is the anti-Heroes |
| 16:12.13 | markl_ | miss 2 episodes of heroes and you have no idea who is a good guy or a bad guy |
| 16:12.27 | JoshH | ya, same with 24 |
| 16:13.17 | JoshH | there's a lot of good shows on hbo/showtime these days |
| 16:13.49 | JoshH | i like true blood quite a bit |
| 16:13.59 | JoshH | nurse jackie and hung are pretty good/funny |
| 16:14.11 | JoshH | entourage is decent so far this season |
| 16:22.58 | maquis | i think nurse jackie is the one where the script for the first episode is available as a free kindle book |
| 16:23.14 | maquis | not really sure... i don't watch tv... but i think that's what it is |
| 16:23.40 | maquis | yeah... here it is |
| 16:23.42 | maquis | http://www.amazon.com/Nurse-Jackie-on-SHOWTIME/dp/B002ASAEJM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=digital-text&qid=1248884603&sr=1-1 |
| 16:24.32 | JoshH | i can't imagine reading a script for the show on a kindle giving you the same effect |
| 16:31.50 | maquis | no, but its still cool |
| 16:32.09 | maquis | i havent read it, but i enjoy some star trek episode scripts i have |
| 16:32.13 | maquis | and free is good, no? |
| 16:40.09 | levi | Free is good if it's something you want. |
| 16:40.29 | levi | There's still a price in time to pay to consume something. |
| 16:42.43 | stderr | http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/hackers-iphone-apple-technology-security-hackers.html?utm_campaign=grims&utm_medium=gri.ms-twitter&utm_source=direct-gri.ms&utm_content=bookmarklet-twitter |
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| 17:47.28 | sjansen | http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.php |
| 17:51.30 | sjansen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken |
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| 18:08.27 | maquis | levi: that's true |
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| 18:08.44 | maquis | levi: but free is generally quite good |
| 18:13.32 | levi | It is a good price. |
| 18:16.02 | maquis | gets most of her kindle books for free |
| 18:19.57 | levi | If I had a kindle, I would probably do the same. |
| 18:20.09 | levi | I'm reading Quicksilver right now, though. |
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| 18:29.08 | maquis | is currently reading... uh... midnight sun (again) and foreign affairs magazine... |
| 18:29.48 | maquis | haven't really figured out the next book, but count of monte cristo, les miserables, don quixote, and a book that i can't remember the name of, but my mom recommended it last night are all warring for that spot |
| 18:32.55 | maquis | ah... castles in the air... that's the one my mom suggested |
| 18:34.00 | maquis | is embarrassed by the writing quality of reviews on amazon |
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| 19:18.48 | sjansen | I realized today that the Kindle spells the doom of the nascent free book market. |
| 19:19.00 | maquis | sjansen: why do you say that? |
| 19:20.03 | sjansen | For a short period in time, authors could make their books available online as a promotion, confident that enough people would prefer the convenience of the dead tree version. |
| 19:20.27 | maquis | sjansen: lots of authors *still* make their books available online as a promotion. usually in pdf format |
| 19:20.43 | maquis | and then you can buy the book in other formats |
| 19:20.44 | sjansen | Now the kindle provides a close enough approximation that snagging a PDF and putting it on the kindle will meet their needs. |
| 19:21.13 | maquis | not really... if you want good performance and good formatting, pdf sucks |
| 19:21.30 | sjansen | They do for now because the kindle hasn't achieved deep penetration yet. But it's only a matter of time. |
| 19:21.41 | maquis | you almost always want it in a native format for your device |
| 19:22.15 | maquis | sjansen: plenty of kindle users (myself included) are willing to pay for a native format if it's going to have good formatting |
| 19:22.23 | maquis | even if a free pdf is available |
| 19:22.33 | sjansen | Says the Amazon employee. PDF on the Kindle DX is a matter of time, and if Amazon doesn't continue to improve PDF support, someone else will. |
| 19:22.51 | maquis | sjansen: pdf is on the dx... i'll admit i've never used pdf on the dx |
| 19:22.52 | sjansen | s/matter of time/already pretty good/ |
| 19:23.01 | maquis | but, i've heard mixed reviews about it |
| 19:23.11 | maquis | hopefully we will improve support... |
| 19:23.21 | maquis | i honestly know nothing about the future of the kindle |
| 19:23.37 | maquis | but i follow the discussions of it pretty closely on blogs, forums, etc |
| 19:24.27 | maquis | the thing is, e-readers have been around for a while. it wasn't until the kindle that they really became popular, from what i can see |
| 19:25.15 | sjansen | I've seen PDF on the DX. It's not amazing, but quite usable. |
| 19:25.27 | maquis | hopefully that trend will continue, but will open up more (currently, all the ebook stores are very non-open when it comes to non-public-domain works... the main exception being small publishers like baen... |
| 19:25.40 | maquis | really? that's good to hear. i've honestly never seen the pdf myself |
| 19:25.56 | levi | Native pdf support is pretty much the answer to nice formatting, so long as your screen form factor matches the pdf paper size. |
| 19:26.38 | maquis | levi: honestly, i don't think that pdf is the best solution |
| 19:26.51 | maquis | pdf is a rather bulky format imho |
| 19:26.56 | levi | For some reasonable definition of 'matches' that would depend on your screen resolution, aspect ratio, etc. |
| 19:27.19 | maquis | i think html or a derivative of html is better... from what i've seen, most of the popular formats seem to be in that category |
| 19:27.21 | levi | PDF was designed for exactly this sort of thing. |
| 19:27.46 | maquis | reflowable text is *way* nice, particularly if you want to be able to resize the text at all |
| 19:27.54 | maquis | and not have to pan |
| 19:29.57 | levi | Reflowable text pretty much destroys the formatting argument. |
| 19:29.57 | sjansen | Maquis, do you actually know any details of the PDF format? HTML is _way_ fatter than PDF. |
| 19:30.36 | sjansen | HTML is also _way_ slower than PDF. |
| 19:30.38 | maquis | sjansen: i don't know much about it, but i've seen a pdf document and a mobi version of the same document side by side... and the filesize for the pdf was about 5x the mobi format one |
| 19:31.34 | maquis | sjansen: i don't know the details of the format, i'm just going off of my personal experience with documents that i've dealt with |
| 19:31.42 | sjansen | But because HTML so anemic, it gives the impression of being lighter. |
| 19:32.31 | sjansen | Dealing with reflowable text is a giant PITA when authoring certain types of content. I know from experience. |
| 19:33.23 | maquis | i've also opened pdf and mobi versions of the same file on the same machine, and at least with those files, the mobi version was faster. perhaps my experience is not as extensive as it should be, but everything i've seen points that way |
| 19:33.25 | levi | maquis: Personal experience is a poor basis for technical argument. You are an insufficient sample size. |
| 19:33.29 | sjansen | PDF is random access and compressed with small overhead for markup. HTML linear access, generally uncompressed, and markup heavy. |
| 19:33.48 | maquis | sjansen: i'm not saying to use straight html |
| 19:33.52 | maquis | i said something based loosely off of html |
| 19:33.57 | sjansen | And probably using a crappy program to generate the PDF. |
| 19:34.16 | maquis | levi: i agree... but i've heard plenty of other people express the same opinion |
| 19:34.31 | maquis | sjansen: perhaps. i can't argue that |
| 19:34.54 | levi | PDF preserves document formatting, typography, layout, etc. It is a publishing format. HTML and its ilk only have very crude methods of doing any of that stuff. |
| 19:35.13 | sjansen | Plenty of people don't know the details of the PDF standard. It's a rocking format designed in a time when 8MB RAM was beefy. |
| 19:36.06 | maquis | i'll admit that i don't know much of anything about the pdf standard |
| 19:36.11 | sjansen | The _only_ advantage of HTML is a lower learning curve for lazy programmers. |
| 19:36.12 | levi | maquis: Lots of people are ignorant about these things, and think HTML is automatically better because it 1) gives them more control and 2) isn't specified by some 'evil corporation'. |
| 19:36.16 | maquis | and yes, pdf does do a lot more formatting |
| 19:36.37 | levi | maquis: That should read 'pdf does formatting, while html does not' |
| 19:36.59 | maquis | but i've personally had significantly better experiences with mobi format (which is loosely based on html) than i have with pdf |
| 19:37.10 | sjansen | And PDF is much nicer to CPU cycles. Hence power consumption. |
| 19:37.44 | levi | I've had a ton of crappy experience trying to read ebooks that were based on a format that didn't include nice typography. |
| 19:38.50 | levi | And I've had a lot of delightful reading experiences with PDF thanks to its support for real typography and layout. |
| 19:39.01 | maquis | levi: what type of machine were you reading on? |
| 19:39.10 | maquis | and what size of screen did you have? |
| 19:39.13 | levi | maquis: A computer, of course. |
| 19:39.52 | sjansen | If you're reading Anne of Green Gables, pretty much any format will work. If your reading TCP Illustrated, proper formatting and a decent screen size makes a big difference. |
| 19:40.17 | levi | Realistically, pdf doesn't make sense on a small form-factor device until books are specifically published in pdf for that form-factor with the layout and typography all specialized for it. |
| 19:40.28 | jsmith-lunch | levi: Amen, brother! |
| 19:40.34 | maquis | the only computer i've read on for any length of time was my olpc. |
| 19:41.09 | maquis | there, i had to either deal with really tiny font, or do a lot of panning |
| 19:41.23 | sjansen | With properly formatted documents, PDF has everything needed to kick everyone else's butt. |
| 19:41.38 | levi | maquis: Clearly you were not using PDF documents specifically designed for your device. Thus the failure. |
| 19:42.19 | levi | The Kindle is poised to create a marketplace for books specifically published for it. PDF is a far superior format in that case. |
| 19:42.20 | maquis | and while the formatting was a little better than the prc books, it wasn't that much different, and i still found that those documents tended to be larger than equivalent mobi documents. granted, in that case, i think most of the pdfs i was dealing with were scanned from books |
| 19:42.57 | maquis | perhaps that's where the problem with a lot of pdfs is... a lot fo the pdfs for ebooks that i've found were not converted from the digital text, but were scans of a physical copy of the text |
| 19:43.10 | maquis | those tend to be giant |
| 19:43.16 | levi | That would be a problem, yes. |
| 19:43.52 | maquis | and perhaps the other ones i've used were just poorly created |
| 19:44.10 | levi | Or created for a form-factor other than the one you were reading them on. |
| 19:44.26 | maquis | but i've never seen well-created pdfs, i guess... because they were almost always larger in size than the mobi version of the same document |
| 19:44.42 | maquis | levi: true... but what if you want to use the same book on multiple form-factors? |
| 19:44.58 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Is Kimball going to be kick banned from the Plug list? |
| 19:45.12 | maquis | or you want to be able to read a book with smaller font while you're just sitting at home, but want the font larger while i'm running on a treadmill |
| 19:45.22 | maquis | (actual use case i've had) |
| 19:46.36 | sjansen | Adobe has a "reflowable PDF" solution, but I've never used it. |
| 19:47.35 | sjansen | Reflowability is the only advantage of alternate format, but not what you focused on until recently. |
| 19:48.23 | levi | Perhaps you could solve the problem by offering the book in several formats, possibly all in a single container or downloaded on demand. |
| 19:48.26 | maquis | sjansen: like i said... it's possible that every single pdf file i've looked at next to a mobi file was poorly created |
| 19:49.18 | maquis | i don't know the details of the format well enough to comment on whether the size issue i've seen is due to the format or due to all of the pdfs being poorly created |
| 19:49.33 | sjansen | levi's proposal isn't as crazy as it sounds. Creating reflowable versions of certain technical documents is a giant PITA. |
| 19:49.55 | maquis | levi's proposal is great |
| 19:50.04 | maquis | i wish more companies would do that |
| 19:50.39 | maquis | but from what i've seen, most places don't have that option :( |
| 19:50.55 | maquis | i'll also add in here that i really haven't read technical documents on my kindle... or on my computer really |
| 19:50.56 | levi | ebook publishing is in its infancy, really. |
| 19:51.02 | maquis | scott has, but i haven't |
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| 19:52.34 | levi | Weird, I haven't got any email from Plug since the middle of last month. |
| 19:54.25 | jsmith | levi: Come to think of it, I haven't either... |
| 19:54.33 | levi | I must have got unsubscribed. |
| 19:54.37 | jsmith | levi: Maybe that's the great void in my life? |
| 19:54.48 | levi | jsmith: Must be! |
| 19:55.34 | jsmith | PLUG, learning more about Erlang, or something else... not sure what it is :-p |
| 19:57.15 | levi | jsmith: Ahh, Erlang. I need to get back to that one sometime. |
| 19:57.21 | levi | I'm digging into Scala right now. |
| 19:59.45 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Um, community vote. If you want him out, he's out. |
| 20:00.30 | maquis | rsimpkins: what's the reason behind that? |
| 20:00.44 | rsimpkins | maquis: spam harvester. |
| 20:01.00 | maquis | harvesting plug list? |
| 20:01.02 | maquis | ick |
| 20:01.04 | sjansen | Kimball Larson harvest plug addresses and spammed them. |
| 20:01.27 | maquis | that's bad |
| 20:01.39 | maquis | isn't on plug anymore, but would be quite ticked if she was |
| 20:04.24 | rsimpkins | I left a message with Kimball's wife. |
| 20:04.39 | rsimpkins | Let her know her husband broke the rules of our list, and I would like to speak with him. |
| 20:04.51 | rsimpkins | We'll see if I get a call back. |
| 20:06.50 | Sargun | o.O |
| 20:07.19 | Sargun | only hopes you're on a personal basis with this kimball fellow. |
| 20:08.11 | maquis | y? |
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| 20:12.25 | sjansen | jsmith: You're learning erlang too? |
| 20:12.47 | rsimpkins | blarg - my mailer gummed up that message. Oh well. |
| 20:12.48 | levi | Who *isn't* learning erlang? ;) |
| 20:13.02 | maquis | ooh!! me! me! |
| 20:13.29 | jsmith | sjansen: Well, I'm not sure I've *learned* anything yet... but I'm hoping that one day it'll sink in :-p |
| 20:16.58 | Jayce^ | jsmith: so you're on the same track as me :) |
| 20:17.39 | stderr | meh |
| 20:17.41 | jsmith | Jayce^: If only! Shoot... I'd feel very luckily to ever be in the same league as you... |
| 20:17.53 | stderr | might take a stab at Scala if I ever find the time |
| 20:20.13 | levi | Scala is well worth looking at. It's a nice compromise language. |
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| 20:38.32 | rsimpkins | All - sent an e-mail re: Kimball Larsen. Please let me know what you guys think. |
| 20:38.52 | sjansen | Burn him! Burn the witch! |
| 20:39.37 | rsimpkins | sjansen: First we have to see if he floats. |
| 20:39.57 | maquis | that way we know whether he's made of wood |
| 20:40.01 | sjansen | But I already know he's a witch. He turned me into a newt. |
| 20:40.17 | goozbach | *beat* |
| 20:40.23 | goozbach | *stare* |
| 20:40.33 | goozbach | *raise eyebrows* |
| 20:40.52 | sjansen | I got better. |
| 20:40.58 | unum | I'm sticking by my quote |
| 20:41.51 | unum | though I am confused by the two different stories |
| 20:42.44 | rsimpkins | unum: Well, he came clean on the phone and felt like a complete moron. |
| 20:42.49 | rsimpkins | unum: Up to you though. |
| 20:43.46 | unum | I figured it was something like that |
| 20:43.51 | unum | I've done dumb things before |
| 20:43.59 | levi | So, basically he lied in his response to the list? |
| 20:44.46 | rsimpkins | It sounds like he didn't tell the whole truth, no. |
| 20:44.53 | rsimpkins | He was probably trying to save ego. |
| 20:46.17 | levi | I am sympathetic to people who make stupid decisions, but less so for those who lie when confronted about it. |
| 20:46.54 | rsimpkins | levi: He lied once, and told the truth once. |
| 20:47.19 | rsimpkins | The reason why we know he lied is because he decided that he would tell the truth. |
| 20:48.30 | levi | This is true, but the initial lie is still a bit of a black mark. I am inclined to forgive him, but it's the initial lie that bothers me more than the spam. |
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| 20:49.10 | unum | levi: agreed |
| 20:49.12 | rsimpkins | levi: You'll notice he did say: "I'll also look into |
| 20:49.14 | rsimpkins | how those addresses got on the list in the first place." |
| 20:49.43 | rsimpkins | Well, they got on there because he scanned his inbox and gathered all addresses he could find. |
| 20:50.21 | unum | ok how do I get a list of installed perl modules |
| 20:50.25 | unum | cpan modules |
| 20:50.30 | rsimpkins | levi, unum - if it would help you guys decide I'm sure you could call and talk with him. He was willing to talk about it. |
| 20:50.34 | levi | The message was clearly an attempt to deflect blame from himself to some unspecified third party. |
| 20:50.46 | unum | rsimpkins: I'm fine with letting him back |
| 20:51.59 | levi | I am too. |
| 20:52.11 | rsimpkins | So far that is 7 yeas, and 0 nays. |
| 20:53.28 | rsimpkins | and a vote for suspension for a while. |
| 20:54.13 | sjansen | Like read only access, or a scarlet A attached to each message. |
| 20:54.20 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:54.28 | levi | Not sure what the point of that would be. |
| 20:54.30 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 20:54.41 | rsimpkins | Yeah, he's either going to do it again - or not. |
| 20:54.48 | rsimpkins | And if he does it again, he's gone forever. |
| 20:54.57 | sjansen | Perhaps we could start each meeting by throwing rotten fruit at him. |
| 20:55.31 | Sargun | makes an account just to vote for 2. |
| 20:55.33 | levi | Given that his domain registration info lists his home as in ID, I doubt he'll be at many meetings. |
| 20:55.42 | levi | Sargun: You don't count. :P |
| 20:55.47 | Sargun | s/2/1/ |
| 20:56.00 | Sargun | :-P |
| 20:56.51 | Sargun | isn't ibot supposed to act on s/ |
| 20:56.56 | Sargun | ibot fail |
| 20:56.57 | ibot | it has been said that fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. standing in the fire. |
| 20:57.01 | Sargun | s/fail/unfail/ |
| 20:57.20 | rsimpkins | Sounds like most people are willing to forgive this infraction. So, we'll go with that option. If he does it again - permaban. |
| 20:57.24 | Sargun | wonders if ibot doesn't consider ACTIONS s/ worthy. |
| 20:57.32 | rsimpkins | Everyone cool with that? |
| 20:57.40 | levi | Sure. |
| 20:58.17 | maquis | i'm not on the list, so i don't count, but i agree with levi's comment that the 2 different explanations are more concerning to me than the actual action (which is also bad) |
| 20:58.52 | goozbach | I must not have seen the spam |
| 20:59.11 | unum | when was the last time you posted to the list? |
| 20:59.22 | goozbach | once or twice this year |
| 20:59.25 | goozbach | it's been a while |
| 20:59.43 | unum | he probably only got people who posted recently |
| 21:00.16 | unum | there figured out how to google it |
| 21:00.25 | unum | guess it wasn't really that hard |
| 21:01.23 | Jayce^ | goozbach: the spam, and the first messages all responding on the list got filtered for me |
| 21:03.45 | levi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.34 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Did I get unsubscribed as well? |
| 21:05.15 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Never mind... mind got re-routed to a different folder... false alarm. |
| 21:06.22 | rsimpkins | levi: I don't see that address anywhere in there. |
| 21:06.33 | rsimpkins | Want me to subscribe it? |
| 21:12.36 | levi | rsimpkins: No, I already resubscribed with a different address. |
| 21:12.49 | levi | rsimpkins: I was just curious why it got unsubscribed in the first place. |
| 21:12.58 | levi | Maybe the cold.org mailserver went down for a while. |
| 21:13.30 | goozbach | my mailserver is dead |
| 21:13.36 | goozbach | I need to re-subscribe |
| 21:13.43 | goozbach | but I want to fix the MTA first |
| 21:13.46 | goozbach | but then I need time |
| 21:14.40 | jsmith | ~busy goozbach minutes |
| 21:14.46 | jsmith | ~buy goozbach minutes |
| 21:14.47 | ibot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen minutess for goozbach |
| 21:14.54 | goozbach | that'd be nice |
| 21:14.56 | jsmith | Well, close... |
| 21:15.05 | goozbach | ~buy goozbach food as he hasn't had lunch |
| 21:15.06 | ibot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen food as he hasn't had lunchs for goozbach |
| 21:15.14 | goozbach | nice |
| 21:16.01 | jsmith | goozbach: I'd send you a donut, but my kids just ate the last one :-( |
| 21:16.36 | rsimpkins | levi: Might have been lost some how during the server migration. |
| 21:16.52 | levi | jsmith: Do you have a book on Erlang or anything? |
| 21:18.38 | CSJewell | Hello, everybody - introducing myself. I'm Curtis Jewell, working on Strawberry Perl, and just noticed this IRC group on Freenode a few days back. I live in Fielding (up by the ID border) so may not be able to come to physical meetings very easily. |
| 21:19.39 | sjansen | The new O'Reilly book is better than the PragProg book, but both complement each other. |
| 21:20.11 | sjansen | CSJewell: Welcome. Many members are virtual. |
| 21:21.16 | levi | Hi, CSJewell. |
| 21:21.32 | sjansen | ~welcome CSJewell |
| 21:21.33 | ibot | Howdy, CSJewell! |
| 21:21.46 | sjansen | ~greet CSJewell |
| 21:21.47 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on CSJewell |
| 21:22.20 | unum | CSJewell: usu used to have group, not sure if they meet much these days |
| 21:22.26 | unum | but you are welcome to hang out here any time |
| 21:22.45 | goozbach | CSJewell: you can find the USU'ers on #linux of fslc.usu.edu |
| 21:23.14 | unum | goozbach: oh sure give him a useful way of finding them |
| 21:23.33 | unum | guess who in here was their public relations officer for two years |
| 21:23.37 | rsimpkins | waves at CSJewell. |
| 21:24.03 | levi | What's Strawberry Perl? |
| 21:24.19 | CSJewell | Other than the fact that when I had a computer I had enough control of to pick the OS, I ran FreeBSD... but I don't think they'd mind that much. |
| 21:24.37 | jsmith | levi: O'Reilly has an "Erlang Programming" book that just came out |
| 21:24.43 | unum | CSJewell: they had a president who was a bsd guy |
| 21:25.00 | CSJewell | Strawberry Perl is a distribution of Perl for Windows that includes a gcc compilation toolchain. |
| 21:25.07 | unum | the server admin is from garland |
| 21:25.08 | jsmith | levi: (I'm reading it via my Safari account) |
| 21:25.50 | levi | jsmith: Cool. :) There's an O'Reilly Scala book coming out in October, too, but you can read that one online for free. |
| 21:26.14 | sjansen | (re: erlang books) The new O'Reilly book is better than the PragProg book, but both complement each other. |
| 21:26.29 | CSJewell | That way, it can compile most of the Perl modules that require a C compiler. |
| 21:26.47 | CSJewell | I'll have to check that out on another day. |
| 21:27.37 | levi | sjansen: I read the sample chapters from the PragProg one, but didn't buy the full book. |
| 21:27.38 | rsimpkins | Okay, now that the spam crisis is over - I'd like some vim guru help. |
| 21:28.20 | sjansen | rsimpkins: No one used Vim anymore. We all switched to pico. |
| 21:28.23 | rsimpkins | I have a big long text file with one text entry on each line. I need to add 3 lines of text under each of those entries (on every line). Is there a cool vim trick for this, or should I just write a script? |
| 21:28.36 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I know you use ed, so shuddup. |
| 21:29.04 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Or have you finally gone beyond ed to use a magnetized needle? |
| 21:29.33 | levi | He uses butterflies. |
| 21:29.37 | rsimpkins | Oh, the text I need to add is the same. Just 3 lines under every line. |
| 21:30.05 | stderr | %s/$/line1\nline2\nline3\n/ ? |
| 21:30.19 | stderr | actually probably a prefixed \n as well |
| 21:30.20 | sjansen | Raw mental power, actually. But tuning the rhythm of my brain wave I can control the shape of my own electromagnetic field. |
| 21:30.56 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Do you mean "add" as in math? Or join text? |
| 21:31.01 | rsimpkins | sjansen: You can no longer blame any mistakes on fat-fingers then. ;-) |
| 21:31.13 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I need to insert three lines of text under every line. |
| 21:31.26 | rsimpkins | Not changing the original line. |
| 21:31.54 | rsimpkins | I can do it in a script very fast - just curious if there was a cool way in vim to do it - that would bend my mind a little. |
| 21:32.22 | sjansen | stderr's approach might work if it doesn't search the inserted text |
| 21:33.21 | sjansen | Just have to remember how to insert raw key sequences... |
| 21:34.35 | stderr | Ah, use \r instead of \n. I always forget that. |
| 21:34.51 | stderr | so %s/$/\rline2\rline2\rline3/ |
| 21:35.05 | sjansen | sed -ir 's/$/\n1\n2\n3/' foo.txt |
| 21:35.33 | goozbach | rsimpkins: %s/$/^Mline1^Mline2^Mline3/ |
| 21:35.59 | goozbach | where ^m is actually "ctrl-v, <return>" |
| 21:38.01 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/vidcard.jpg |
| 21:38.15 | tensai | I don't think those capacitors shouldn't look like that |
| 21:38.42 | tensai | might explain the loud pop my wife heard and now why the system won't boot |
| 21:38.46 | tensai | s/shouldn't/should/ |
| 21:38.53 | RyanE | rsimpkins: Thx for the email furrners block list. Finally put it in postfix, it's helping. |
| 21:39.09 | stderr | tensai: nice. |
| 21:39.36 | rsimpkins | RyanE: Glad to hear it. Please let me know if you have any white lists or anything I should add. |
| 21:40.15 | levi | tensai: Yow. |
| 21:40.24 | levi | tensai: I just had a video card die, too, but it was less dramatic. |
| 21:40.41 | tensai | this mythtv is going to be the death of me |
| 21:40.57 | tensai | I just replaced the hard drive last week |
| 21:41.02 | RyanE | tensai: had a neighbor's PC do the *exact same* thing... same capacitors, could be the same board, from the looks of it. |
| 21:41.43 | RyanE | tensai: Mine was giving me grief as well. Upgraded to Jaunty, found my video card was not supported, had to downgrade back to Intrepid. Supid Ubuntu. |
| 21:41.51 | RyanE | s/Supid/Stupid/ |
| 21:42.00 | tensai | my theory is that my power is really poor and a combination of over- and under-voltages are causing hardware problems |
| 21:42.11 | tensai | I was going to put a ups in this week too :'( |
| 21:42.24 | RyanE | my issue is heat, and I just dropped a UPS on mine after last night's 'blip'... |
| 21:42.31 | tensai | RyanE: ubuntu proper or mythbuntu? |
| 21:42.40 | RyanE | this time, ubuntu proper. |
| 21:42.45 | levi | My video card died because the fan siezed up, I think. |
| 21:42.55 | RyanE | I've tried mythbuntu, as well as a diff myth distro a couple of years ago. |
| 21:43.18 | RyanE | I just replaced the p/s in mine as well. The 120MM fan had gummed up and was no longer turning. |
| 21:43.23 | RyanE | bad things happened. |
| 21:43.41 | levi | Yeah, electronic devices like their fans to keep running. |
| 21:44.05 | tensai | I replaced the power supply a few months ago too |
| 21:44.16 | RyanE | this happens when you run a PC 24x7x4-5 years with 3 NTSC tuners and 2 HD's... |
| 21:44.45 | RyanE | tensai: these things come in 3's, so you should be good, right? :) |
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| 22:23.44 | JoshH | man, what an embarrassing situation for kimball larsen heh |
| 22:24.01 | JoshH | but if he scanned his inbox, then the part about "You have elected to receive it by providing your |
| 22:24.05 | JoshH | contact information to our partners." is a lie too |
| 22:41.52 | stderr | who pumps their entire address library into a mass-mailer? |
| 22:45.21 | Sargun | |
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| 23:09.47 | harleypig | Is anyone aware of a mod_perl module or program that will take an apache configuration and dump it in a format such that it can be read back in via the <Perl> tags in an httpd.conf file? |
| 23:36.11 | tensai | harleypig: I heard you were going to write one ;) |
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| 23:53.46 | harleypig | tensai: uh huh |
| 23:54.06 | harleypig | Might end having to do that. |
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