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| 15:35.15 | markl_ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/28/micron_idt_pcie_ssd/ |
| 15:35.23 | markl_ | ack wrong link |
| 15:35.34 | markl_ | i meant: http://www.cardpartner.com/app/the-linux-foundation |
| 15:35.42 | markl_ | hopefully i'm not the last one to see that |
| 16:00.04 | levi | I wonder if that's the same Linux-related credit card that I first saw... geez, it must have been around 10 years ago. |
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| 16:28.59 | Jayce^ | mrpull: yt? |
| 16:32.55 | mrpull | i am |
| 16:45.45 | tensai | levi: I think it is the same one. I got those all the time while I was a linux journal subscriber. |
| 16:46.13 | tensai | wait, hang on. that was for the linux fund. this is the linux foundation. that might be different. |
| 16:46.32 | levi | Ah, yeah, I think it is different. |
| 16:46.40 | levi | Same general idea, though. |
| 16:48.06 | tensai | both appear to be legit |
| 16:49.04 | levi | So Linux Fund is still around, too? |
| 16:50.30 | tensai | yeah. randal schwartz is always talking about it on floss weekly. |
| 16:50.39 | tensai | he's on their board |
| 16:50.44 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 16:51.03 | levi | I tried listening to FLOSS Weekly once, but it didn't hold my interest. |
| 16:51.49 | tensai | the topics are pretty varied. some I skip through. |
| 16:52.31 | levi | Randal seems to be quite into Squeak Smalltalk these days. |
| 16:52.41 | stderr | Jayce^: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dataw0lf/3765512047/ pic of the eagle at west yellowstone |
| 16:53.14 | Jayce^ | was about to make a joke about too bad it was shot with a nikon, then I saw the olympus... what's up with that :) |
| 16:53.23 | tensai | they did a squeak show a while back |
| 16:53.57 | levi | There are a bunch of eagles that live near my parents' house in Washington. You can get pretty close to them while kayaking. Unfortunately, my parents got rid of their kayaks. |
| 16:53.58 | tensai | http://www.twit.tv/floss21 |
| 16:54.10 | levi | tensai: I think that may have been the one I tried to listen to. :) |
| 16:54.16 | stderr | Jayce^: well we were hiking / rafting for a lot of the trip, I just brought my point and shoot |
| 16:54.23 | Jayce^ | much safer |
| 16:54.28 | tensai | I've seen quite a few bald eagles along the snake river |
| 16:54.35 | stderr | yea they're all over the snake |
| 16:54.53 | tensai | I like it :) |
| 16:54.54 | Jayce^ | up there I usually see more goldens (on the upper part) |
| 16:54.54 | stderr | we had one burst out of a nest right above our heads while kayaking down it |
| 16:59.07 | stderr | I was hoping to get some good pictures of a trumpeter swan |
| 17:03.53 | tensai | I see those occasionally too but it's really hit or miss |
| 17:04.11 | tensai | amazingly, swan valley is actually often populated by swans |
| 17:05.16 | stderr | I've always had luck at Moose Pond |
| 17:26.22 | Jayce^ | wow.... http://code.openark.org/blog/mysql/auto-scaling-scaled-sql-graphs-concluded/comment-page-1 |
| 17:28.00 | stderr | O_O |
| 17:45.39 | levi | Jayce^: Crazy. |
| 18:04.17 | Sargun | Does Gmail support folders? |
| 18:05.46 | jsmith | Sargun: You use "labels" instead of folders, unless you're using IMAP |
| 18:05.46 | levi | So, peas are remarkably yummy when you grow them yourself. |
| 18:05.55 | jsmith | levi: So is watermelon :-) |
| 18:06.03 | Sargun | jsmith, Ok, so they still don't support foldrs |
| 18:06.18 | levi | Haven't tried watermelon, but we did have a couple of yummy melons of another sort last year. |
| 18:06.21 | jsmith | Sargun: Labels are essentially the same thing... if you're using IMAP, then labels show up as folders |
| 18:06.27 | Sargun | is moving over all his mail from gmail to swishmail |
| 18:06.32 | Sargun | I'll see how bad swishmail is. |
| 18:06.32 | levi | But peas are easy, and we've got a TON of them. |
| 18:06.40 | jsmith | levi: We just had our second watermelon from our garden this year |
| 18:07.11 | Sargun | jsmith, It seems like the only mail solution which works for me is the one I create, too bad building my own mail cluster is $ |
| 18:07.29 | levi | Sargun: What is swishmail? |
| 18:07.38 | Sargun | levi, Mail hosting company |
| 18:07.51 | levi | jsmith: I'm jealous. :) We're going to have a ton of tomatoes soon. They're just starting to ripen. |
| 18:08.04 | levi | Sargun: Duh. What's special about it? |
| 18:08.10 | jsmith | levi: Oh, we've had tomatoes for weeks now... In fact, I just had a couple with my lunch |
| 18:08.44 | levi | Ours started off a bit slow. |
| 18:09.10 | levi | We kept them pruned, though, so hopefully they'll be able to focus on fruit instead of foliage now. |
| 18:11.04 | Sargun | levi, They have a Top10 uptime according to netcraft |
| 18:11.06 | harleypig | Does anyone have some decent pointers to a software based watchdog timer for a redhat installation? |
| 18:12.25 | harleypig | It looks like there's supposed to be one installed already, but as far as I can tell, it's just a character device, and there isn't even a /dev/watchdog ... |
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| 18:13.07 | sjansen | ~seen elg |
| 18:13.11 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@c-76-113-12-41.hsd1.nm.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 23h 51m 36s ago, saying: 'it also has a tap (openvpn) adapter in device manager, which doesn't show up in network connections'. |
| 18:13.21 | harleypig | sjansen: redbeard2 said I should ask you what you know about watchdogs in a redhat system. |
| 18:13.41 | sjansen | not much |
| 18:13.48 | harleypig | well, dangit |
| 18:14.00 | redbeard2 | sjansen: don't be modest |
| 18:14.07 | levi | I imagine elg is looking for somewhere to live now. |
| 18:14.14 | sjansen | I know hardware watchdogs are more foolproof, software are cheaper. |
| 18:14.17 | harleypig | I asked a question right before you joined: |
| 18:14.22 | harleypig | Does anyone have some decent pointers to a software based watchdog timer for a redhat installation? |
| 18:14.25 | harleypig | It looks like there's supposed to be one installed already, but as far as I can tell, it's just a character device, and there isn't even a /dev/watchdog ... |
| 18:14.30 | Sargun | sjansen, They're cheap, and built into most modern servers |
| 18:15.22 | sjansen | Didn't Alan Cox write the first Linux watchdog driver? |
| 18:15.36 | harleypig | I'm not even sure how to find out what I have, if I have a software or a hardware watchgod. |
| 18:15.47 | harleypig | sjansen: yeah, I was just reading the article from LJ on that. |
| 18:15.55 | harleypig | redbeard2 linked it for me |
| 18:20.09 | sjansen | I assume you've already looked at the watchdog package? |
| 18:21.59 | sjansen | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446123 |
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| 18:28.14 | unum | I have to wonder how many faxe officers out there pulling people over |
| 18:28.27 | unum | because you see stories about them pulling over real officers from time to tim |
| 18:29.31 | harleypig | sjansen: looking (lost connectivity for a few minutes) |
| 18:31.07 | harleypig | hmmm ... yum list | grep -i watch doesn't show a watchdog package |
| 18:31.51 | sjansen | yum search watchdog |
| 18:32.20 | harleypig | no matches found, and epel is installed |
| 18:33.23 | sjansen | watchdog.i386 5.3.1-7.el5 base |
| 18:33.47 | sjansen | Interesting 'cause I do, and RH has bugzilla entries for it. |
| 18:34.34 | harleypig | cat /etc/*release shows Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5 (Tikanga) ... too old maybe? |
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| 18:36.25 | sjansen | maybe |
| 18:36.39 | sjansen | Any reason you aren't running 5.3? |
| 18:37.15 | harleypig | I'm not the one who's maintaining the system. |
| 18:37.28 | harleypig | points at redbeard2 |
| 18:38.06 | harleypig | Actually, the system is a medium priority server, so it's not high on anyone's list except mine. |
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| 19:23.20 | toofer | why would I be able to login via SSH and su -, but not run any other commands? |
| 19:24.13 | toofer | My session just stalls. |
| 19:28.34 | maquis | like... you can't run ls? |
| 19:28.37 | maquis | or cat? |
| 19:29.33 | toofer | Exactly, but I was able to run pwd. |
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| 19:29.44 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:29.47 | maquis | pwd's a good one |
| 19:29.49 | maquis | and su - works? |
| 19:29.53 | toofer | yep |
| 19:29.55 | maquis | once you su -, can you run stuff? |
| 19:30.03 | toofer | Get the same issue |
| 19:30.11 | maquis | weird |
| 19:30.14 | maquis | lemme see here... |
| 19:30.17 | unum | it prompts for your password |
| 19:30.19 | opapo | how do you find out the filesystem of a disk |
| 19:30.22 | unum | you type your password |
| 19:30.25 | unum | you get a prompt |
| 19:30.30 | unum | type a differnt command |
| 19:30.31 | maquis | what all commands have you tried besides su and pwd? |
| 19:30.35 | unum | and then it freezes? |
| 19:30.46 | maquis | and can you su without the -? or su to another user? |
| 19:30.47 | unum | opapo: cfdisk |
| 19:30.48 | toofer | unum: correcto mundo |
| 19:30.54 | opapo | thanks |
| 19:31.12 | toofer | maquis: one sec while I try |
| 19:31.36 | maquis | toofer: i'm just trying to see if i can find anything in common about the commands that work vs the ones that don't |
| 19:31.42 | unum | toofer: what happens if you try df -h |
| 19:31.52 | maquis | and... did you change anything recently? (i signed on recently, so i may have missed that) |
| 19:31.56 | toofer | unum: completes |
| 19:32.18 | maquis | toofer: anything suspicious in df -h? |
| 19:32.26 | toofer | maquis: i added a webadmin group and added my root user to it with vigr. |
| 19:32.50 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:32.56 | toofer | maquis: nothing suspicious that I see. |
| 19:33.03 | maquis | so, pwd doesn't require knowing anything about groups, right? |
| 19:33.16 | maquis | and su - doesn't, but sudo does |
| 19:33.22 | unum | not sure why you add the root user to any group.... |
| 19:33.26 | unum | but that shouldn't be the issue |
| 19:33.26 | maquis | ls will check group permissions, probably |
| 19:33.42 | unum | ah |
| 19:33.53 | maquis | df probably doesn't have to check permissions |
| 19:33.59 | maquis | at least not group permissions |
| 19:34.06 | maquis | unum: is my logic making any sense at all? |
| 19:34.12 | unum | maquis: yes it is |
| 19:34.18 | maquis | ok... just checking |
| 19:34.18 | unum | may the group file is corrupted |
| 19:34.19 | maquis | :) |
| 19:34.40 | maquis | i'd definitely check the group file and see if something got messed up there |
| 19:35.03 | maquis | the problem is... if it has the same problem while su -'d, you're gonna have some problems checking that file, probably |
| 19:35.15 | unum | ya |
| 19:35.30 | maquis | at least til you can get single-user mode or something like that |
| 19:35.41 | toofer | maquis: Yeah, you're logic sounds good to me. |
| 19:36.47 | maquis | is glad that she's making sense, at least |
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| 19:45.02 | sjansen | Do the commands nor run at all, or just take a long time? |
| 19:45.41 | sjansen | Mysterious slow downs with seemingly random but consistent commands is usually an authentication/authorization issue. |
| 19:46.37 | sjansen | Are you using network user accounts (LDAP, NIS, etc.)? Could be a timeout as the client tries and fails to talk to the auth server. |
| 19:48.00 | sjansen | vigr should prevent syntax errors in the group file, although there could be semantic errors |
| 19:48.36 | maquis | remembers the last time she edited /etc/sudoers without visudo and cringes |
| 19:49.27 | sjansen | pwd is a bash builtin, most commands aren't, but if it were something like disk corruption I'd have expected an error message |
| 19:50.18 | sjansen | Anything weird about your setup? Running off a USB disk? Root partition on an NFS server? |
| 19:56.55 | toofer | sjansen: sorry for the delay, nothing really special. It's just my DHCP/DNS server. I have iptables blocking access from the WAN for SSH only. No other services blocked. |
| 19:59.26 | toofer | sjansen: I run a small internal site from there as well. I created a new default group last night called webadmin and modified some files to have that group. I then added root to that group with vigr. |
| 20:00.22 | toofer | Everything seems to be running still so I'll probably just wait 'til I'm on site to check it out. Hopefully removing root from that group will resolve it. |
| 20:03.56 | tensai | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:03.56 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses sjansen's head to break the homerun record |
| 20:04.22 | sjansen | ~punish tensai |
| 20:04.23 | ibot | ACTION forces tensai to install and use Windows |
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| 20:48.00 | sjansen | is totally missing Brazil's socialized health care today |
| 20:48.29 | levi | sjansen: Commie. |
| 20:48.40 | sjansen | Sue me. |
| 20:48.51 | levi | sjansen: Why don't you love Freedom? |
| 20:49.10 | levi | ~sue sjansen |
| 20:49.11 | ibot | ACTION acting on orders from an unspecified client, drags sjansen into court suing for $200 million |
| 20:49.23 | maquis | sjansen: why are you missing it? |
| 20:49.27 | sjansen | I'm fine with freedom. I just hate our health care system. |
| 20:50.09 | levi | Me too. I hate going to the doctor because I'm always worried I'm going to have to fight some battle with the insurance company afterward. |
| 20:50.21 | sjansen | I broke my finger last night. After getting it set, because of the type of break, the doctor recommended I see a specialist. |
| 20:50.39 | maquis | i don't like our insurance system, but i don't like the idea of the government being in charge of it either |
| 20:51.01 | sjansen | Cue hoop jumping trying to find someone in network. |
| 20:51.21 | maquis | (granted, i have an odd perspective due to growing up as the child of a doctor, and hearing all types of stories about the wonders of the bits of health care the government *does* deal with |
| 20:51.29 | sjansen | Believe me, it isn't as scary as some people pretend. |
| 20:51.57 | sjansen | I got better health care in a third world country. That's just plain pathetic for us. |
| 20:52.05 | maquis | sjansen: you can tell me that again after i've spent a year with tricare for insurance, and i'll see if i agree then |
| 20:52.39 | maquis | doesn't want to change to tricare... |
| 20:53.33 | unum | oh that reminds me I have to go pay a doctor bill |
| 20:53.47 | unum | my employer decided to wait a week before telling me my copays went up |
| 20:54.49 | harleypig | I'm running an nmap against my voip phone ... anyone got any pointers on how I might safely hack it? |
| 20:55.06 | levi | Tricare worked for me. |
| 20:55.16 | maquis | i wish that instead of companies deciding on the insurance provider, each individual/family selected the provider and/or plan... then if i want higher-quality coverage, i can get it, and if i don't think i need that much coverage, i don't have to pay for it |
| 20:55.41 | jshipley_ | unum: fun, I found out earlier this year that my deductibles went up, my coverage went down, and my payments went up. This was on a group plan too, so it pretty much sucked for everybody. |
| 20:55.46 | maquis | with the employer making that choice, there's no incentive to the insurance company to provide good quality |
| 20:56.14 | levi | I want big for-profit insurance companies entirely out of the equation. |
| 20:56.41 | sjansen | I think we've effectively proven that employer provided health care is a bad idea. |
| 20:56.42 | jshipley | levi: Why don't you love Freedom? |
| 20:57.20 | levi | jshipley: I love the freedom of not having to stress about health care. |
| 20:57.30 | maquis | levi: i don't want the government deciding whether i can get an expensive procedure that's considered preventative |
| 20:57.46 | jshipley | sjansen: due to the fact that my employer pays a good chunk of my premiums, employer provided health care is still better than the alternative |
| 20:58.10 | levi | maquis: You'd prefer that a big corporation decided that? |
| 20:58.12 | maquis | my current insurance company is quite good, and if my doctor recommends it, they'll go along with it |
| 20:58.25 | jshipley | maquis: I like the idea of the government making that decision better than I like the idea of an insurance company making it. |
| 20:58.49 | sjansen | I see it kinda like bankruptcy law. Strictly speaking, bankruptcy law reduces personal responsibility, but by helping people to manage risk it makes our society stronger and improves everyone's standard of living. |
| 20:58.53 | levi | I think it's funny that you trust big corporations more than you trust the government. |
| 20:59.04 | maquis | jshipley: maybe i've just had really good luck, but if i could choose the company (and yes, i would pay more for a company that would allow that), then that gives me some option |
| 20:59.30 | maquis | levi: i'm coming at this from seeing what my dad's seen in the medical industry as far as what the government provides |
| 20:59.38 | sjansen | Tying insurance to jobs is stupid. Its sends exactly the wrong signal. |
| 20:59.45 | maquis | and also seeing things like how the VA hospital has been run and such |
| 20:59.54 | levi | maquis: And that's mostly irrelevant, because the entire system would be changed. |
| 21:00.16 | maquis | if the government can't take care of medical care for the people they're currently handling, why should i believe that they'll do better for me? |
| 21:00.38 | levi | maquis: Because the ones they're handling now are, by definition, the worst possible cases. |
| 21:00.46 | maquis | levi: if i could see exactly how it would be changed, then maybe that would change my view on it |
| 21:00.48 | levi | People who are old and poor. |
| 21:01.00 | maquis | levi: veterans and military people are old and poor? |
| 21:01.14 | maquis | families of people who are overseas in iraq and afghanistan don't deserve good health care? |
| 21:01.20 | levi | maquis: If people would quit rejecting the idea out of hand, we'd get to the point with concrete proposals. |
| 21:01.33 | sjansen | Employer provided insurance hides from many people just how broken our system is. |
| 21:01.52 | maquis | levi: sorry... my past experience doesn't make me feel comfortable with it |
| 21:02.12 | levi | maquis: I was referring to medicare/medicaid |
| 21:02.41 | sjansen | "I'll just stay here sucking at the teet of Super Big Co instead of going out and finding a job where I could make a bigger contribution because Small Innovative Co has lousy insurance." |
| 21:02.43 | maquis | levi: my dad has worked with people on medicare/medicaid... i've seen a good bit about what the military benefits are, and i've read about the VA hospital stuff |
| 21:02.48 | levi | maquis: Like I said, your past experience is with something different. |
| 21:03.03 | maquis | sjansen: that's not what i'm suggesting either... |
| 21:03.28 | maquis | levi: sure... but if they can't handle that correctly, it makes me wonder how they'd handle something way bigger |
| 21:03.35 | sjansen | That's what's happening with our current system. |
| 21:03.41 | levi | maquis: medicare/medicaid are people that pretty much can't get private insurance because it's not profitable. When that's most of the pool you're covering, it makes the problem a LOT more challenging than when you have the entire population. |
| 21:03.51 | maquis | sjansen: my suggestion is each family gets their own (perhaps with government subsidy) |
| 21:04.18 | harleypig | all health care should be free ... |
| 21:04.19 | sjansen | So long as everyone _must_ have it and can't be rejected. |
| 21:04.22 | maquis | levi: ok... so, let's ignore medicare/medicaid and talk about the military ones |
| 21:04.24 | harleypig | doctor's should volunteer their time |
| 21:04.33 | harleypig | hospitals should donate their equipment |
| 21:04.41 | harleypig | sick people should stay home |
| 21:04.44 | harleypig | :> |
| 21:04.58 | harleypig | goes back to lurking |
| 21:05.10 | sjansen | Like Levi is trying to point out, letting companies cherry pick the most profitable clients is not a recipe foe anything other than lining pockets of a lucky few. |
| 21:07.14 | sjansen | I didn't say anything about doctors working for free. I pay taxes. And I would be sad if most of the insurance industry had to find new careers. |
| 21:07.42 | sjansen | When you look at the numbers, our system is stupid. |
| 21:08.01 | harleypig | sjansen: Ignore what I said ... i was being a ptia |
| 21:08.07 | harleypig | s/ptia/pita/ |
| 21:08.12 | sjansen | When you experience the alternative, our system is inferior for all but the lucky few. |
| 21:08.25 | harleypig | ls -al |
| 21:08.26 | sjansen | s/would/wouldn't/ |
| 21:09.33 | levi | The very well off do better in our system. There's probably a rough parity among the moderately well off, and those who do okay but aren't really well off (along with the legions of poor) get shafted. |
| 21:09.37 | sjansen | Socialized health care is not as scary as some feat mongers would have you believe. |
| 21:10.02 | levi | And it works best when the entire population participates. |
| 21:10.21 | levi | For reasons that are obvious when you think of it from a statistical point of view. |
| 21:12.08 | stderr | http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3060320 |
| 21:13.38 | unum | jshipley: they do that every year here |
| 21:13.42 | unum | so I should have expected it |
| 21:14.04 | unum | just would have been nice to know when it happened, and not two weeks later |
| 21:14.17 | levi | stderr: Hah. |
| 21:14.29 | sjansen | Wow. Idiot. |
| 21:17.04 | stderr | ;) |
| 21:18.13 | unum | to think people in here watch that guy :) |
| 21:18.30 | unum | I wonder if the daily show will pick up on that |
| 21:18.40 | unum | or that sounds like a good one for colbert |
| 21:19.36 | levi | So, how many of you have looked at the Google Wave stuff? |
| 21:19.51 | stderr | haven't had time, really. |
| 21:20.48 | jsmith | levi: I've spent a bit of time looking at the API and such |
| 21:20.52 | levi | It actually looks like pretty cool stuff. |
| 21:26.53 | levi | I was thinking a while back about the design for a collaborative learning/programming site, and wave looks like it would be very useful for it. |
| 22:00.23 | eightyeight | ~poke sinuhe |
| 22:00.24 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sinuhe, pokes sinuhe repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:04.25 | sinuhe | ~poke eightyeight |
| 22:04.26 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind eightyeight, pokes eightyeight repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:06.01 | eightyeight | sinuhe: check your jabber |
| 22:06.25 | eightyeight | sinuhe: meh. hold on |
| 22:43.29 | *** join/#utah EeeBull (n=jerrybow@174-23-51-170.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:43.55 | EeeBull | Hello Utah! |
| 22:44.35 | levi | Hello, EeeBull. |
| 22:45.04 | EeeBull | So, whatsw going on in this channel? |
| 22:45.21 | levi | Are you Evil with a plugged nose, or are you a bovine EeePC user? ;) |
| 22:45.46 | EeeBull | both??? |
| 22:45.59 | levi | Not a lot is going on at present. |
| 22:47.01 | EeeBull | any one good with #! and samba? |
| 22:47.47 | levi | Sorry, I have been successful at avoiding understanding how samba configuration really works. |
| 22:48.33 | stderr | Jayce^: can you recommend any good mma/boxing gyms in the SL area? |
| 22:48.43 | Jayce^ | not a clue |
| 22:48.54 | stderr | durn |
| 22:49.04 | EeeBull | gotcha. i have an all linux home and have got my 2 ubuntu pc's to mount to each other.... just my crunchbang linux doesnt want to ..... |
| 22:49.07 | Jayce^ | my old neighbor used to go to one in provo, but he's not there anymore |
| 22:49.12 | EeeBull | stderr: what area? |
| 22:49.24 | stderr | EeeBull: Salt Lake, preferably. |
| 22:49.44 | EeeBull | Our sister school is Absolute MMA |
| 22:49.48 | levi | I've never heard of #! before, at least in the context of Linux distributions. |
| 22:50.12 | EeeBull | #! is crunchbang and it is a ubuntu distro |
| 22:50.16 | stderr | EeeBull: BJJ preferably or ? |
| 22:50.20 | stderr | preference* |
| 22:50.33 | levi | Wow, a distro based on a distro that's based on Debian. |
| 22:50.33 | EeeBull | Bjj, with MMA |
| 22:50.39 | levi | What's the point of #!? |
| 22:50.47 | EeeBull | levi: there are tons of those |
| 22:51.07 | EeeBull | it uses openbox |
| 22:51.12 | stderr | EeeBull: right, but what sort of MMA? |
| 22:51.22 | stderr | BJJ with traditional boxing? Thai? Judo? |
| 22:51.36 | stderr | focus on striking or grappling? |
| 22:51.53 | stderr | I'd prefer more striking training, my grappling technique is fairly good |
| 22:52.38 | EeeBull | http://www.absolutemma.com/ |
| 22:52.59 | stderr | I was looking at these guys and they don't look half-bad: http://www.eliteperformancegym.com/ |
| 22:53.33 | EeeBull | elite is a nice gym.... |
| 22:53.44 | EeeBull | Jeremy Horn is cool.... |
| 22:54.44 | EeeBull | what style of grappling? |
| 22:54.52 | EeeBull | do you do... that is.... |
| 22:55.38 | stderr | I've done classes in BJJ and Judo, as well as Krav Maga |
| 22:55.50 | EeeBull | http://crunchbanglinux.org/ |
| 22:56.10 | stderr | they call the "#" a "crunch"? |
| 22:56.11 | stderr | odd. |
| 22:56.18 | stderr | I always thought it was "hash bang" |
| 22:56.50 | maquis | i've always called it sh-bang |
| 22:57.10 | stderr | yea that's just a derivative of hash bang, though, I thought |
| 22:57.13 | maquis | (derived from hash-bang, but sounding fun) |
| 22:57.17 | stderr | yea |
| 22:57.22 | JoshH | i've always said pound sign exclamation mark |
| 22:57.28 | JoshH | not really, but i think that sometimes |
| 22:57.47 | EeeBull | I am a Behring Jiu jitsu practitioner under Paul Tom... |
| 22:58.28 | EeeBull | I mjust came on this channel to see about networking #!....ha |
| 22:58.46 | stderr | cool |
| 22:59.43 | EeeBull | Utah is definitely a mma state if you go to an irc channel and that is the discussion.... |
| 23:00.33 | levi | It's more often about paintball, politics, or other random things. |
| 23:00.40 | EeeBull | i see.... |
| 23:00.54 | levi | Occasionally we talk about Linux and other software stuff. :) |
| 23:00.56 | maquis | actual techie questions tend to be somewhat off-topic... :P |
| 23:01.00 | Jayce^ | goozbach: http://www.designverb.com/2009/07/11/stefans-stormtroopers-a-day/ |
| 23:01.16 | maquis | EeeBull: don't worry... it's not just utah that is weird like this |
| 23:01.39 | maquis | honestly, i'd be interested in seeing exactly what percentage of people active in the channel are actually living in utah |
| 23:01.49 | EeeBull | I use #! due to i am running a few things and am bouncing between 8-11% cpu usage |
| 23:02.09 | EeeBull | sweet fast light on the resources |
| 23:02.20 | maquis | EeeBull: i run debian with evilwm... |
| 23:02.30 | maquis | :P |
| 23:02.33 | levi | At least maquis isn't running gentoo anymore. :) |
| 23:02.44 | eightyeight | i thought maquis was a bsd user |
| 23:02.47 | maquis | levi: true... |
| 23:02.47 | EeeBull | i am working my way to pure debian |
| 23:02.49 | Jayce^ | maquis: with stderr moving back, let's see how many of us stay here :) |
| 23:02.53 | JoshH | at least she was never running suse |
| 23:02.59 | maquis | eightyeight: i've been a bsd user a number of times in the past |
| 23:02.59 | eightyeight | heh |
| 23:03.02 | maquis | JoshH: that's true |
| 23:03.05 | JoshH | i wish i could move to oregon |
| 23:03.13 | stderr | Jayce^: haha |
| 23:03.21 | maquis | Jayce^: still |
| 23:03.27 | eightyeight | maquis: no longer works well for you, or just running something different, or...? |
| 23:03.28 | maquis | we've got a lot of us out-of-towners here |
| 23:03.29 | levi | There are a number of places I'd kind of like to move to, but Utah works for now. |
| 23:03.49 | maquis | eightyeight: i had some hardware that was not supported at all |
| 23:03.52 | EeeBull | moving fro eeebuntu to crunchbang was a slight challengs....I am getting better at CLI |
| 23:04.10 | levi | Time to head home. |
| 23:04.16 | maquis | so, i decided to move back toward linux for a bit rather than fight my hardware |
| 23:04.18 | eightyeight | ditto |
| 23:04.22 | EeeBull | oh, and eeebuntu is another distro of a distro |
| 23:04.40 | maquis | eightyeight: you switched off of bsd too? |
| 23:04.43 | maquis | what are you on these days? |
| 23:05.02 | eightyeight | maquis: oh. heh. meant ditto, as in time to go home |
| 23:05.07 | EeeBull | you guys use conky? |
| 23:05.08 | maquis | oh... lol |
| 23:05.11 | maquis | EeeBull: i do |
| 23:05.11 | eightyeight | maquis: actually, i'm just starting with bsd |
| 23:05.21 | maquis | eightyeight: ah... it's got some very nice stuff |
| 23:05.44 | maquis | i like the fact that it's better about standards, and i think ports is one of the nicest package management systems |
| 23:05.47 | eightyeight | i like some of the philosophies. some other things i think are a bit silly. and it's lacking in some other areas |
| 23:06.07 | eightyeight | but, it's intruging |
| 23:06.13 | eightyeight | and i'm eager to learn |
| 23:06.23 | eightyeight | but, i must be off. babysitting duty calls. :) |
| 23:06.38 | maquis | eightyeight: the other thing that bugged me besides hardware was that there was some app i was trying to get working, and i ended up spending a week hacking code and makefiles trying to get it working |
| 23:06.41 | EeeBull | well, showertime and then bjj... see ya guys later.... i will frequent this channel.... |
| 23:06.42 | maquis | lol... have fun babysitting :P |
| 23:06.54 | maquis | EeeBull: cool. nice to meet you |
| 23:07.00 | EeeBull | see ya!!! |
| 23:07.20 | eightyeight | maquis: the thing that bugged me, with freebsd, was that i had to install ia32libs on a 64-bit when i wasn't installing any 32-bit app |
| 23:07.24 | EeeBull | me/ just set channel to autojoin |
| 23:07.35 | EeeBull | oh, i did that wrong |
| 23:07.36 | eightyeight | and i also had to install the linux compatibility stuffs on an upgrade |
| 23:07.41 | eightyeight | all seemed a bit odd |
| 23:08.00 | EeeBull | added channel to autojoin |
| 23:08.09 | eightyeight | anyway |
| 23:08.34 | *** part/#utah EeeBull (n=jerrybow@174-23-51-170.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:20.03 | maquis | eightyeight: yeah... that's annoying stuff |
| 23:20.21 | maquis | i think all my machines are running 32-bit currently, but yeah |
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| 23:59.31 | maquis | notes that it's probably bad if you listen to the animaniacs educational songs and find errors... |