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| 14:48.38 | sjansen | http://dbmsmusings.blogspot.com/2009/07/announcing-release-of-hadoopdb-longer.html |
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| 14:52.29 | sjansen | ~steal elg's voice |
| 14:52.30 | ibot | ACTION grabs elg's voice and gives it to sjansen |
| 14:55.00 | eightyeight | heh. that's the last thing we need |
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| 16:28.56 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://utos.org/irc | Log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | UTOSC 2009 Call for Papers is now open! - http://ping.fm/fpjyX | When a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port... |
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| 17:25.50 | eightyeight | anyone have ear to a rhel 6 release date? |
| 17:27.41 | goozbach | sjansen: I just saw the no-read icon in XFCE |
| 17:27.44 | goozbach | ohh boy |
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| 17:54.33 | elg | goozbach: link? |
| 17:55.08 | goozbach | elg: I just installed XFCE |
| 17:55.12 | goozbach | don't have a link |
| 17:55.27 | elg | guess you'll have to describe it |
| 17:55.57 | goozbach | it's supposed to be a smiley face covering its eyes |
| 17:56.13 | goozbach | but it looks a lot like a certian gross-out picture |
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| 17:58.06 | JoshH | screenshot |
| 18:00.55 | goozbach | aparently it's been fixed in the version for Fedora !! |
| 18:00.57 | goozbach | er 11 |
| 18:01.09 | goozbach | I don't have a centos 5.3 box up to take a screenshot |
| 18:06.19 | jsmith-teaching | has a lab full of CentOS 5.3 boxes at his disposal, but doesn't have time |
| 18:07.46 | goozbach | jsmith-teaching: give me ssh access |
| 18:08.12 | goozbach | NM I'll just boot the box and do it |
| 18:08.17 | JoshH | yay |
| 18:08.25 | JoshH | saves me from having to install and start xfce |
| 18:19.31 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.10 | JoshH | haha |
| 18:20.11 | JoshH | it does |
| 18:22.26 | Jayce^ | oh man.. |
| 18:22.32 | Jayce^ | goatse |
| 18:22.51 | elg | ~rlart |
| 18:22.52 | ibot | cuts rsimpkins into thin stripes |
| 18:23.41 | elg | sweet |
| 18:23.48 | elg | it's only supposed to get up to 91°F here today |
| 18:23.54 | elg | practically winter |
| 18:24.55 | JoshH | 91 here right now |
| 18:25.55 | elg | in a week i'll be enjoying bay area weather. can't wait |
| 18:26.04 | elg | == trunky |
| 18:26.10 | JoshH | i'm jealous |
| 18:26.16 | JoshH | the bay is cool |
| 18:30.38 | levi | elg: Figured out where you're going to live and everything? |
| 18:30.46 | elg | no |
| 18:31.00 | elg | next week we'll be scrambling to nail down a place |
| 18:31.03 | JoshH | a loft in sf |
| 18:31.09 | elg | decided against sight-unseen |
| 18:31.19 | JoshH | walk right outside and get good chinese food |
| 18:31.23 | elg | my wie wants something suburban mcmansiony |
| 18:31.42 | levi | Not surprising. :) |
| 18:31.42 | elg | i want something with a decent commute, and wouldn't mind something cosmopolitan but i'll defer to her on style |
| 18:31.48 | JoshH | tell her you wear the pants |
| 18:32.14 | elg | i've thought about living in half moon bay |
| 18:32.40 | elg | looks like the commute would be manageable - 30-45 minutes, but it'd be all in my own car no train |
| 18:32.44 | JoshH | what exact city will your office be in? |
| 18:32.48 | elg | palo alto |
| 18:33.11 | elg | i've heard living north and commuting south (when driving) is smart |
| 18:33.42 | elg | i recently learned that fb gives employees a caltrain pass and has a shuttle from the palo alto station, so I'm going to try to live close to the line |
| 18:33.42 | levi | Isn't north where wine country is? |
| 18:34.04 | elg | you might be thinking of napa. north bay |
| 18:34.10 | levi | Yeah. |
| 18:34.13 | rsimpkins | I like the bay area. The cost of living is insane though. |
| 18:34.13 | elg | and maybe south once you get out of the urban area |
| 18:34.15 | elg | palo alto is sw |
| 18:34.36 | elg | fb is hiring good people like crazy |
| 18:34.44 | levi | I'd LOVE to live there if I could make megabucks. |
| 18:35.02 | rsimpkins | elg: You're going to work for fb? |
| 18:35.05 | elg | yeah |
| 18:35.09 | levi | I probably wouldn't even mind working for fb. ;) |
| 18:35.19 | rsimpkins | I talked with them at the mysql conference in san jose in april. |
| 18:35.25 | rsimpkins | They do some great work. |
| 18:35.33 | elg | levi: :-) |
| 18:35.49 | levi | Not sure if I could convince them to hire me, though. |
| 18:36.02 | JoshH | i had a friend who lived in milpitas and loved it, it seems reasonably close to PA |
| 18:36.38 | elg | JoshH: yeah, milpitas is ok, but the commute from there is on the busiest freeway |
| 18:36.51 | elg | but, accd to google maps 30 minutes |
| 18:36.57 | elg | when traffic isn't backed u |
| 18:37.08 | levi | That's the hitch, isn't it? |
| 18:37.13 | elg | i'm hoping for something between san mateo and mountain view/sunnyvale |
| 18:37.38 | elg | and near a caltrain station. walk or bike to the train would be ideal |
| 18:37.59 | elg | most of the stuff on craigslist that my wife likes is in south san jose |
| 18:38.19 | levi | It's hard to tell how much you'll really like a place just from listings. |
| 18:38.28 | elg | yeah |
| 18:38.47 | elg | not to mention the area |
| 18:39.09 | maquis | elg: i had a cousin who lived in napa for a while. she really liked it there |
| 18:39.13 | levi | Yup. Have you got a place to stay while you're looking? |
| 18:39.20 | elg | yeah, motel |
| 18:39.47 | levi | Napa valley is beautiful. I went to a conference there a few years ago. I'm sure it's ridiculously expensive. :) |
| 18:39.58 | JoshH | did you guys go out there and check it out at least? |
| 18:40.33 | elg | just when i went out to interview. i didn't check out housing but i drove around the immediate area of palo alto |
| 18:40.35 | maquis | my cousin lived up someplace a little outside of napa that was a bit more country-ish... had a townhouse/condo/something-or-other up there |
| 18:41.03 | maquis | notes that elg probably doesn't want to go to merced area, but that part's nice, too |
| 18:41.08 | maquis | thinks that's too far away |
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| 18:41.54 | JoshH | if i were you, i would just get a 6-12 month lease on an apartment, and house hunt while you are there |
| 18:42.41 | levi | elg: You might talk to Ammon Skidmore. He works at Apple in Cupertino and bought a house in the area recently. |
| 18:42.48 | elg | we hate moving, so we hope to find a place that we'll stay in at least for now |
| 18:43.37 | elg | not planning on buying currently. not sure if we'll stay there more than a couple years and no money for a down payment, but if we like it then in a year or two we might consider it |
| 18:44.01 | JoshH | http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cas/1274531091.html |
| 18:44.06 | levi | Well, he was renting for quite a while before and knows the area pretty well. |
| 18:44.15 | levi | He commutes to work by bicycle. |
| 18:44.31 | elg | another branch of the plan is stay there for a few years, vest the stock, then go somewhere cheaper near family and live well |
| 18:44.37 | JoshH | i'd love to commute by bike year round |
| 18:45.06 | maquis | elg: nice... :) |
| 18:46.21 | elg | i think i'll really like the area though and might be more than happy to stay |
| 18:52.51 | levi | Apparently Ammon's house is in San Bruno. |
| 18:53.28 | elg | and he bikes to cupertino? |
| 18:53.31 | elg | that's quite a haul |
| 18:53.34 | eightyeight | goozbach: hope you didn't mind that dent. too funny to not share |
| 18:53.43 | levi | Well, he was into bicycle racing for a while. |
| 18:54.05 | levi | He's about 1000ft from a Caltrain station, too. |
| 18:55.10 | elg | see, biking from a caltrain stop to cupertino would be a reasonable bike commute |
| 18:55.22 | elg | more than my out of shape body could handle presently, but doable |
| 18:56.54 | goozbach | eightyeight: yeah, it's alright |
| 18:57.16 | levi | It's only 30 miles, not a terribly long bike ride for a racer. |
| 18:57.30 | levi | I sometimes do 15 or so during lunch. |
| 18:57.45 | JoshH | wow |
| 18:57.54 | JoshH | even in the summer? |
| 18:57.59 | levi | Yeah. |
| 18:58.10 | JoshH | do you shower before going back to work? |
| 18:58.18 | levi | Sometimes. |
| 18:58.26 | elg | levi sweats parentheses |
| 18:58.31 | levi | I've always got deodorant handy, though. :) |
| 18:58.40 | JoshH | my main issue with biking to work would be going to work all sweaty |
| 18:58.52 | JoshH | but since i've never ridden a bike to work, i'm not sure how much of an issue it would be |
| 18:59.07 | levi | You definitely get sweaty. |
| 18:59.37 | JoshH | there are people that bike here, but they live like 4 blocks away |
| 18:59.38 | levi | If you can shower there, it's no big deal. Some people take towel baths in the bathroom, or use wet wipes to clean up while changing. |
| 18:59.51 | goozbach | I'm supprised that there's not a perl module for the disqus API |
| 19:06.14 | maquis | 'round here, lots of people bike to work |
| 19:06.38 | maquis | but most of them live a lot closer to work than i do |
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| 19:53.31 | sjansen | goozbach: disqus? |
| 19:55.17 | goozbach | sjansen: it's a drop-in javascript based commenting system for the web |
| 19:55.50 | sjansen | Javascript? Bah. Everyone should just use SMTP. |
| 19:55.51 | goozbach | http://www.windley.com/archives/2009/07/automatically_building_configuring_and_maintaining_complex_infrastructure.shtml#comments |
| 19:57.05 | goozbach | I'm wanting to build a new system for my blog which puts disqus comments in-line as opposed to fetched via javascript |
| 19:57.12 | goozbach | you can do it with the API |
| 19:57.25 | goozbach | however there isn't a Perl interface... YET. |
| 20:01.38 | goozbach | what's the new hotness to create a perl module framework instead of h2xs? |
| 20:03.00 | goozbach | NM I found it |
| 20:03.04 | goozbach | Module::Starter |
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| 20:37.59 | elg | sigh |
| 20:38.08 | elg | "unfortunately, the homesteading act has gone the way of the wind. The enviornmentalists don't want expantion and they have Obama in their pockets." |
| 20:38.19 | sjansen | huh? |
| 20:38.26 | elg | too bad we can't choose our family |
| 20:38.41 | sjansen | You mean that's not a quote from the onion? |
| 20:38.51 | elg | one of my aunts is convinced obama is the devil incarnate and has been spewing drivel like that on facebook |
| 20:39.45 | elg | the funny thing is a couple of her friends (apparently from high school) have been boldy discussing the opposite end. one is a phd and the other about as close to feminist as you can get in utah (from what I've seen of their comments) |
| 20:40.26 | sjansen | Feminist? Is that like a female communist? |
| 20:40.29 | elg | has unrealistic hopes that some of his family will come out of the dark ages |
| 20:40.32 | elg | :) |
| 20:41.12 | elg | i don't mind if you want to be a conscious conservative or liberal (me, I'm moderate these days), as long as you base it on something other than hyperbolic fanaticism |
| 20:42.14 | rsimpkins | I am a fanatic. |
| 20:42.14 | levi | No kidding. |
| 20:42.14 | levi | I had to leave a family website to get away from hyperbolic fanaticism. |
| 20:42.35 | elg | rsimpkins: but are you a hyperbolic fanatic? |
| 20:42.43 | levi | Hmm, the F-22 was cancelled. |
| 20:43.40 | unum | ya :( |
| 20:43.46 | rsimpkins | elg: I'm a conservative liberal. |
| 20:43.50 | unum | though they did build a lot of them already |
| 20:43.59 | elg | in favor of the f-35 |
| 20:44.12 | levi | In truth, I'd much rather see that money spent elsewhere, but I'm a sucker for high-tech fighter jets. |
| 20:44.15 | elg | apparently the f-22 hasn't been a whole lot of good in the recent military actions |
| 20:44.17 | rsimpkins | Have you ever flown an F-22? |
| 20:44.22 | unum | in favor of building the f-35 sooner |
| 20:44.26 | unum | levi: I'm with you |
| 20:44.42 | levi | I grew up on military bases, going to airshows, etc. |
| 20:44.52 | unum | elg: not much use for an airplane that can shoot down EVERYTHING, when there's nothing to shoot down |
| 20:44.54 | levi | Military gear is just *cool*. |
| 20:45.00 | unum | levi: I grew up in Layton |
| 20:45.03 | elg | :) |
| 20:45.23 | unum | so I practically grew up on a military base |
| 20:45.25 | tensai | the f22 is apparently vulnerable to rain and can't fly in inclement weather |
| 20:45.34 | unum | half my family works there now |
| 20:45.42 | rsimpkins | tensai: I think it is made out of paper. |
| 20:45.42 | unum | and half my ward did growing up |
| 20:45.59 | unum | I know the b2 had that problem |
| 20:46.48 | unum | the f-22 would only be useful in a war against russia or china |
| 20:47.00 | unum | the f-35 will be sufficient for anything else |
| 20:47.14 | levi | Turns out a girl I went to high school with in Dugway went on to be a B2 pilot. |
| 20:47.21 | unum | that's assuming we don't go to war with our western allies |
| 20:47.38 | unum | or Isreal |
| 20:47.55 | unum | who have a nasty habbit of upgrading our airplanes after we give them to them |
| 20:48.33 | rsimpkins | Let's give north korea half of our f22s. Then, next july 4th, we can arrange a country wide air show. North korea gets first strike, then it's on. |
| 20:49.13 | unum | we could give them half our f16s and shoot them out of the sky with our much lower number of f22s |
| 20:49.21 | unum | have you read about the practices with the f22s |
| 20:50.36 | rsimpkins | unum: ??? |
| 20:51.39 | unum | they have had sever f15 try to "shoot" down an f22, the f22 has shot them all done before they even saw the f22 |
| 20:52.11 | elg | this is weird. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/07/22/ultrasounds-on-facebook-tmi/ |
| 20:52.48 | elg | i can't fathom what's TMI about a sonogram. |
| 20:53.03 | elg | they all look the same |
| 20:54.32 | levi | Huh. |
| 20:54.38 | unum | you are looking at her reproductive parts |
| 20:54.38 | levi | Someone's a little sensitive, I guess. |
| 20:56.26 | unum | though if a uterus turns you on.... |
| 20:58.38 | elg | a 2d slice of a uterus pales in comparison to even a modest-dressing utah valley girl |
| 20:58.55 | elg | i think the author is uncomfortable with her reproductiveness |
| 20:59.11 | elg | -chat |
| 20:59.11 | brac | Or if someone here needs a little confused... is 1B a branch from the full 21T in LVM - first off - isn't it? |
| 20:59.20 | unum | I think a lot of women are prying to having a baby |
| 20:59.32 | unum | then afterward they seem to be a lot more comfortable with a lot of things..... |
| 20:59.48 | elg | syntax error |
| 20:59.59 | levi | It seems odd that someone would be fine seeing a bare pregnant belly but not a 2-d black and white slice of uterus & fetus. |
| 21:00.09 | unum | s/prying/like that prior |
| 21:00.14 | unum | I really messed that one up |
| 21:00.36 | unum | levi: I didn't see her say bare |
| 21:00.43 | unum | so I wonder if she would be ok if it was bare |
| 21:01.09 | elg | i don't get the feeling that she's coming at it from the prudish angle |
| 21:01.47 | elg | more like the "don't remind me I'm a woman and women have children" angle |
| 21:01.56 | elg | but that could be way off too |
| 21:02.11 | unum | I think it's an intmacy issue |
| 21:02.25 | sjansen | Perhaps by TMI she means: "I don't care". |
| 21:02.29 | unum | because she points out that she's sharing it with people she knew in middle school |
| 21:02.51 | elg | she doesn't want to be that intimate with her "friends", I get that but I fail to see how a sonogram is in any real sense intimate. but I'm not a woman I guess |
| 21:03.08 | sjansen | She looks at the picture and remembers all the times she was forced to pretend she could actually see something a child instead of a TV tuned to static. |
| 21:03.37 | elg | there are 4 limbs^Wlights! |
| 21:04.18 | levi | This looks cool: http://www.treehugger.com/galleries/2009/07/build-a-geodesic-dome-solar-greenhouse-grow-your-own-food.php |
| 21:04.30 | brac | [Build a Geodesic Dome Solar Greenhouse to Grow Your Own Food : TreeHugger] |
| 21:05.50 | sjansen | She also seems to be concerned about the possibly of miscarriage. Better for her friend to suffer in silence than let anyone now what happened. (I guess.) |
| 21:07.35 | tensai | sjansen: I read that as well, but the same is true pictures or no. if you merely announce it as a status update you've still put yourself out there. |
| 21:08.48 | tensai | which was why my wife wanted to wait until at least the 2nd trimester before telling anybody, even (especially) her mom |
| 21:46.43 | unum | so I have a bunch of different people all using the same login |
| 21:46.49 | unum | that login connects them to a script |
| 21:47.02 | unum | actually let me put it differently |
| 21:47.17 | unum | nm |
| 21:48.03 | unum | darn last log doesn't give me what I need |
| 21:48.18 | unum | I need something like lastlog but will show me all current logins |
| 21:50.47 | goozbach | w |
| 21:50.49 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:51.02 | goozbach | who |
| 21:55.05 | unum | thanks I forgot about that |
| 22:04.42 | eggyknap | Mutt people: How can I search my sent items folder by recipient? Normal searching (i.e. w/ the '/' key) doesn't seem to search recipient addrs. |
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| 22:13.07 | Tene | What are the pros/cons of always gpg-signing my email? |
| 22:20.32 | maquis | Tene: pro: people know that if it's not signed, it's not from you. con: people can prove that an email came from you |
| 22:28.02 | tensai | Tene: some people will be confused by your signature, especially if you use a detached sig. they'll try to open up the attachment and fail. |
| 22:28.51 | tensai | Tene: long ago I signed some email to somebody using groupwise. when he replied, groupwise tried to use s/mime because it saw the signature, but s/mime wasn't configured and so it threw errors. |
| 22:29.11 | Tene | Interesting. |
| 22:29.14 | tensai | can't say if groupwise still does something so foolish. possible since it's a crufty beast. |
| 22:29.47 | tensai | for the most part I'm not aware of any significant problems with it though |
| 22:36.14 | levi | It also makes you look really geeky and/or paranoid. I'm not sure whether you count that as a pro or con. :) |
| 22:39.42 | maquis | removes plausible deniability |
| 22:43.13 | levi | This is way cool: http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_405695.html |
| 22:43.18 | brac | [Young programmers win big] |
| 22:46.07 | TimRiker | spam alert: We're looking for someone to do Android builds in South Jordan. If anyone is interested in full time work with Android, holler. Tim@Rikers.org or Tim@Saygus.com - experience with SIP, asterisk, etc. a plus. |
| 22:46.55 | levi | Sounds like a cool project. |
| 22:48.10 | jsmith-teaching | TimRiker: Oooooh.... |
| 22:48.28 | RyanE | does sound cool. |
| 23:00.20 | tristanbob_ | ssds are MUCH faster than moores law |
| 23:00.28 | tristanbob_ | 2x speed increase, 60% cost reduction, in 9 months |
| 23:00.32 | tristanbob_ | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/168770/intel_says_its_new_ssds_are_faster_cheaper.html |
| 23:02.12 | levi | tristanbob_: Moore's Law doesn't directly reference cost or speed, though. It's about density of transitors. |
| 23:02.35 | tristanbob_ | levi, true, but irrelevant to my point |
| 23:02.46 | levi | Well, say what you mean. :) |
| 23:03.08 | tristanbob_ | sorry, I am human :( working on cyborg implants as we speak |
| 23:03.28 | Sargun | TimRiker, south jordan? https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/jo.html |
| 23:03.29 | levi | Moore's law clearly applies to SSDs, since they are made of transistors and are built based on the same processes as any other chip. |
| 23:03.57 | tristanbob_ | hmmm - so why is it faster then? |
| 23:04.15 | levi | Better controllers, more cache, etc. |
| 23:04.33 | levi | And part of it is smaller processes, of course, but that's following Moore's law just like it is for CPUs. |
| 23:05.22 | levi | Flash is not a new technology, but SSDs are. There's a good bit of stuff between the actual gates and the interface to the CPU that effects how it performs. |
| 23:05.35 | levi | s/effects/affects/ |
| 23:08.55 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 23:08.56 | ibot | ~pong |
| 23:10.17 | levi | The design of that stuff has been getting a lot better. They're becoming a lot cheaper due to the fact that people are using them now and economies of scale are extremely important to semiconductor products, as they tend to have astronomical up-front development costs followed by relatively low per-unit costs afterward. |
| 23:11.28 | levi | Anyway, I agree that the SSD situation is exciting, and I'm thinking of trying one out as a boot device when I build my next computer. |
| 23:16.40 | harleypig | anyone familiar with mod_perl and can give me some pointers available? |
| 23:20.09 | harleypig | TimRiker: You're working on the DickTracy watchphone! Cool! |
| 23:20.18 | tristanbob_ | levi, yeah, I guess that is my point. SSDs are exciting. They are the next big breakthrough in PC performance |
| 23:21.04 | harleypig | Will it be compatible with T-Mobiles G1 or is ithardware specific? |
| 23:21.54 | TimRiker | harleypig: new hardware. software compatible with the g1 (mostly) |
| 23:22.07 | tensai | harleypig: jayce and goozbach know mod_perl |
| 23:22.40 | TimRiker | Sargun: uh, not that jordan. south jordan is a township just south of salt lake city. |
| 23:24.40 | harleypig | TimRiker: very cool |
| 23:24.51 | harleypig | tensai: yeah, but they aren't responding |
| 23:24.59 | harleypig | probably on their way home. |
| 23:25.19 | TimRiker | it could be. it'll have some features that no other "phone" has, android or otherwise. |
| 23:26.44 | romanovic | anyone familiar with the UMA mobile phone feature? Its the only way my blackberry gets reception at home. |
| 23:27.01 | romanovic | i was hoping to try one of the android phones, but they don't appear to support UMA |
| 23:28.13 | romanovic | buying a non-uma phone means sacrificing cell service at home :( |
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| 23:29.27 | TimRiker | romanovic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlicensed_Mobile_Access and yes, that's another thing I'd like to get working. |
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