| 00:00.31 | bonez46 | Sargun_Screen: ah, so true.. look at that Stimulus package.. |
| 00:00.39 | bonez46 | easy sell..... |
| 00:01.52 | Sargun_Screen | HAhah |
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| 01:54.03 | jordo | Anyone running their own mail server on Comcast? |
| 02:00.18 | unum | I was |
| 02:00.57 | unum | first I gave up and turned mine into a smart host(because a lot of place reject comcast style ip's, even if it's business class) |
| 02:01.04 | unum | then I give up and moved to linode |
| 02:01.41 | unum | 1) because comcast service is so unreliable I couldn't get my email for several hours a day |
| 02:01.49 | unum | 2) my server burst into flames |
| 02:02.05 | unum | fortunately I was well on my way into a linode migration |
| 02:02.11 | unum | which I HIGHLY recommend by the way |
| 02:03.51 | unum | even though there home page is being really slow right now... |
| 02:04.04 | unum | hmmm all my pages are fine |
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| 02:08.24 | unum | darn guess I don't get give out my refferal code this time |
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| 02:10.54 | jordo | hmmm... linode.com? |
| 02:12.01 | goozbach | jordo: worth it |
| 02:13.24 | jordo | unum: how does Linode compare to Verio? |
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| 02:17.17 | jordo | unum: Anyway, the point is that I'm trying to learn how to configure postfix to be able to deliver mail and run my own mail server. Do they have Postfix available? |
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| 02:20.29 | goozbach | jordo: you get your own virtual machine, and can run anything you can install on it |
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| 02:21.27 | jordo | Well if anyone has a referral code I'll check it out for a month. goozbach, unum |
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| 04:29.49 | Zelut | regarding linode: I have two and I've been very pleased all around. |
| 04:45.55 | eightyeight | he speaks! |
| 04:46.11 | eightyeight | or types. whichever |
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| 13:08.03 | ^Migs^ | http://corrupted-files.com/ |
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| 14:03.16 | eightyeight | how does that work, when your professor wants a printed copy? |
| 14:03.55 | ^Migs^ | it doesn't work |
| 14:04.57 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 14:06.08 | ^Migs^ | You can also do stuff like check when the file originated if a non-tech-savvy student emails it to you |
| 14:06.13 | ^Migs^ | there's always ways to make sure |
| 14:06.56 | eightyeight | 1) i personally have never had a professor ask for _just_ a digital copy of homework. they've always wanted a physical copy |
| 14:07.19 | eightyeight | 2) don't assume your professors are stupid. do you honestly think they aren't aware of this? |
| 14:08.05 | ^Migs^ | I know. That's a quick way to fail the class. |
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| 14:09.39 | ^Migs^ | Or, you could just set up blogs or something for your students...make them post their assignments online |
| 14:10.06 | ^Migs^ | that solves the no-physical-copy issue, lets you have a paperless classroom, and makes sure they can't upload a corrupted file |
| 14:10.26 | ^Migs^ | I don't think anyone falls for the "My Internet's not working!!!!!" excuse anymore |
| 14:10.29 | sjansen | And forces students to surrender their privacy for the sake of convenience. |
| 14:10.46 | ^Migs^ | no it doesn't |
| 14:10.50 | ^Migs^ | you can password protect the posts |
| 14:11.17 | ^Migs^ | most students wouldn't care |
| 14:11.38 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Why do you hate students? |
| 14:12.38 | goozbach | just use .LRN |
| 14:13.34 | ^Migs^ | I hate students? |
| 14:13.42 | ^Migs^ | yeah...I guess I kind of do... |
| 14:13.46 | ^Migs^ | lousy ungrateful students |
| 14:14.20 | ^Migs^ | how does .LRN compare to Moodle anyway? |
| 14:15.19 | ^Migs^ | we use Moodle in our district...I like it, though I don't like the backend design |
| 14:16.33 | ^Migs^ | it still uses a table-based layout, which is a nightmare for theme customization |
| 14:34.52 | sjansen | Oh my. |
| 14:35.48 | sjansen | In one of our labs, we have students install XFCE 4 on RHEL5. |
| 14:36.44 | sjansen | As one of the students clicked around, I discovered that XFCE's file manager has a special icon to flag directories the student can't open (permissions). |
| 14:41.15 | goozbach | doesn't gnome have the same thing? |
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| 14:57.27 | sjansen | It's supposed to be a smiley face covering its eyes. |
| 14:57.50 | sjansen | From a distance, though, the first thing it made me think of was goatse. |
| 14:58.13 | sjansen | (Sorry for the delay, helping students.) |
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| 15:00.31 | elg | http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3522 |
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| 15:23.17 | tensai | is it worth voting in arin elections? |
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| 16:10.24 | sjansen | Coult it hurt voting in arin elections? |
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| 16:10.55 | sjansen | Maybe you could sell your vote. |
| 16:13.07 | tensai | is a random vote better or worse than no vote at all? |
| 16:21.27 | eightyeight | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/20/anti_sec_spoof/ |
| 16:21.30 | brac | [Anti-Sec spoof threatens s'kiddie mayhem ⢠The Register] |
| 16:21.45 | jalbretsen | what are we voting for in the arin elections? |
| 16:21.51 | jalbretsen | king of the internets? |
| 16:45.11 | Sargun | is talking to ARIN right now |
| 16:46.50 | Sargun | is not talking to them anymore |
| 16:55.26 | Sargun | (09:54:25) Sargun Dhillon: We can get dinner or something after work? |
| 16:55.26 | Sargun | (09:54:54) Ari Chopelas: hm? |
| 16:55.29 | Sargun | can someone decode what the "hm" means? |
| 16:55.37 | Sargun | hates how teenage girls are cryptic |
| 17:05.29 | tensai | Sargun: it means she didn't hear you clearly. try typing louder. |
| 17:09.35 | Sargun | slaps tensai |
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| 17:37.03 | maquis | Sargun: this is why you shouldn't ask someone out over a text-based medium |
| 17:38.48 | maquis | it's *way* easier to decrypt when you actually talk to them |
| 17:38.48 | maquis | and anyways, it's better etiquette |
| 17:38.48 | maquis | as for the "hm?", try being a bit more direct. |
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| 17:39.27 | maquis | for example, "would you like to go get dinner after work?" or "can i take you to dinner after work?" |
| 17:39.29 | maquis | (the second one is a bit more clear to the girl, because then she doesn't need to worry about whether she's paying or you are paying... etc) |
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| 17:39.29 | maquis | the more clarity you provide, the less awkwardness you create for her |
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| 17:39.50 | maquis | Sargun: that help? |
| 17:40.20 | Sargun | a little bit |
| 17:41.11 | maquis | Sargun: girls don't always make sense... in my experience, the best solution is to be really clear about what you're asking, and if you don't understand their response, ask for clarification |
| 17:41.36 | Sargun | knows show running-config? |
| 17:41.57 | maquis | usually we don't intend to be unclear, and if we do intend to be unclear, guys still have the right to expect clarification if they ask for it |
| 17:42.06 | Sargun | Yeah, I realize that, but it's hard to be , uhm, straight-forward when you have no clue what you're doing |
| 17:42.11 | Sargun | http://pastebin.com/d4cd7ff5b < Mostly the interesting part is >line 96. |
| 17:43.24 | eightyeight | tires of the "M$" and "Micro$oft" referrences |
| 17:43.30 | eightyeight | really, quite annoying |
| 17:43.58 | maquis | Sargun: good... you got her phone number |
| 17:44.24 | Sargun | Ok... |
| 17:44.30 | Sargun | doesn't know how long to wait before I call |
| 17:45.04 | Sargun | s/I call/calling/ |
| 17:45.05 | maquis | Sargun: you mentioned setting something up tomorrow afternoon... that might be a good time to call... before she goes to work |
| 17:45.22 | Sargun | Aight |
| 17:45.33 | maquis | you don't want to call while she's at work, but before she heads to work (maybe a touch before noon?) |
| 17:45.47 | Sargun | That seems reasonable. |
| 17:45.58 | unum | Sargun: or do like me and give up |
| 17:46.01 | maquis | then see if she thinks she's still available for dinner, and if she is, figure out a time/place to meet |
| 17:46.03 | Sargun | unum, No. |
| 17:46.04 | maquis | unum: no |
| 17:46.07 | unum | sit at home and play video games all night |
| 17:46.20 | unum | it's too hard and never gets you anywhere anyways |
| 17:46.26 | Sargun | I don't play video games, I write phone system control systems when I get frustrated with women |
| 17:46.28 | Sargun | brb. |
| 17:46.43 | maquis | Sargun: once you've gotten the girl's number and expressed an interest in getting together, if you don't call within 2-3 days, she'll probably feel like you weren't actually interested |
| 17:46.43 | unum | even better that pays |
| 17:47.31 | maquis | generally, you don't want to call the same day you got the number, unless you said you would, but the following day is usually good. |
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| 17:49.53 | eightyeight | i'm with unum |
| 17:49.56 | eightyeight | http://lh6.ggpht.com/rob.j.scott/R0psBnCd03I/AAAAAAAAAU8/zG9vc3_g6jQ/jpg00000_thumb%5B11%5D |
| 17:52.00 | eightyeight | although, that equation isn't accurate, even if it is humorous |
| 17:52.24 | unum | eightyeight: does your wife know about your feelings? |
| 17:52.25 | eightyeight | "love of money" = sqrt(evil), not money itself |
| 17:53.22 | eightyeight | unum: i can tell you this. apparently, i'm a polygamist as the computer has been termed "the second wife" |
| 17:53.32 | Sargun | maquis, Ok, sounds good. |
| 17:53.35 | Sargun | maquis, Thanks |
| 17:53.45 | unum | eightyeight: from what I know of that relationship I believe that |
| 17:55.08 | unum | :) |
| 17:55.50 | Sargun | Ok, uhm, I'm going to risk sounding like an asshole, but there is another girl, she's 16 (turning 17 in a little over 2 weeks). |
| 17:56.01 | Sargun | We've been on like 2 dates |
| 17:56.24 | Sargun | and going on dates in this town is difficult to say the least (it's a rich suburb) |
| 17:56.52 | Sargun | Though, her parents don't trust me taking her out to other cities, for understandable reasons |
| 17:57.04 | Sargun | How do I get them to trust me? |
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| 17:58.18 | maquis | Sargun: always get her home on time, be nice at all times, be respectful toward them... follow any rule they set for now |
| 17:58.36 | maquis | over time, as they see that you're responsible and willing to abide by their rules, they'll generally open up a bit |
| 17:58.40 | unum | sargun how old are you? |
| 17:58.46 | Sargun | unum, 18, and 6 months. |
| 17:59.01 | Sargun | maquis, Oh, I was afraid you'd say that |
| 17:59.14 | maquis | Sargun: it's also good to be open with both girls about the fact that you're not serious with either of them... just so that you don't give the wrong impression |
| 17:59.15 | unum | I just don't expect parents to trust their 16 year old daughter with anyone |
| 17:59.27 | maquis | Sargun: i'm saying that because it's the only way i know of that will work with most parents |
| 17:59.39 | Sargun | maquis, I might make it serious... |
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| 18:00.21 | Sargun | unum, If I were them I wouldn't trust me |
| 18:00.37 | Sargun | maquis, but, nonetheless, sounds like a good idea |
| 18:00.37 | unum | I wouldn't have the patience to make it serious with a 16 year old |
| 18:00.43 | unum | two years of serious dating with someone I'm not allowed too touch, I couldn't do it |
| 18:00.50 | Sargun | Rather: I cannot make it serious with Ari, she's moving away in under a month |
| 18:01.07 | Sargun | unum, It's only a misdemeanour |
| 18:01.16 | maquis | Sargun: if you're going on dates with 2 different girls, they both need to know, at least as long as that's happening |
| 18:01.51 | Sargun | unum, Well, 1 year, 15 days. |
| 18:02.04 | jalbretsen | unless you are going on a date with them at the same time |
| 18:02.06 | Sargun | until she's legal. |
| 18:02.38 | Sargun | maquis, Well, I'm actually dating another girl as well, but that's different. |
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| 18:03.16 | Sargun | So, I mean technically, I'm dating alana, and lakshmi, and if Ari works out, it would be three |
| 18:03.17 | Sargun | We'll see. |
| 18:03.26 | maquis | Sargun: as long as they all know, and are all okay with it, it's fine |
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| 18:03.44 | Sargun | maquis, Yes, I can see this getting very ugly, very quickly though |
| 18:03.45 | maquis | in fact, that might be good with the younger girl's parents, if they know you aren't super-serious |
| 18:04.44 | Sargun | or they might think I'm a "man-whore" |
| 18:04.58 | maquis | Sargun: it's possible |
| 18:05.29 | maquis | i think if you're open with everyone about it, and you're not doing anything overly physical, most parents will be okay. if you're being physical with multiple girls, then the parents are likely to throw a fit |
| 18:05.58 | Sargun | Well, I'm sleeping with lakshmi |
| 18:06.15 | Sargun | and that's all |
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| 18:06.58 | maquis | hopes that lakshmi is not the girl whose parents you're trying to get good responses from |
| 18:07.01 | Sargun | haha |
| 18:07.09 | Sargun | No, Alana is the 16 year old. |
| 18:07.20 | maquis | ok... |
| 18:07.24 | Sargun | Ari is the one going to college in less than a month |
| 18:07.39 | maquis | so, likely, alana's parents would *not* be happy to know htat you're sleeping with another girl, just so you know |
| 18:07.52 | Sargun | Yes, I don't intend to tell them this |
| 18:09.11 | maquis | just be careful about things... anything you're hiding from any party in the group can come back and bite you and make everything much worse |
| 18:09.46 | maquis | i'm not gonna push my values on you, and i'm guessing you've got an idea of what my values are, but just be careful so you don't get bitten by anything |
| 18:11.10 | Sargun | I've been here long enough to understand your values |
| 18:11.18 | Sargun | I really appreciate your help. |
| 18:11.20 | maquis | np |
| 18:11.54 | Sargun | The situation is definitely, uhm, odd |
| 18:13.21 | levi | Sargun, the teenage man-whore. |
| 18:13.35 | Sargun | ~lart levi |
| 18:13.35 | ibot | pours gasoline all over levi, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
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| 18:14.57 | Sargun | maquis, So, when I came here 4 years ago, did you really expect this? |
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| 18:16.08 | levi | Expect that you'd be asking for advice about girls on IRC? |
| 18:16.28 | levi | I'm pretty sure you've been asking for advice about girls on IRC for a long time now. |
| 18:17.16 | Sargun_Screen | levi: No, being the teenage man-whore |
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| 18:17.56 | levi | You're not really a teenage man-whore. You're a wannabe teenage man-whore, which I think is the default state of teenage boys. |
| 18:18.35 | Sargun_Screen | ah, ok, understood. |
| 18:19.16 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: whatever happened to nick125? you guys still doing that vps? |
| 18:20.19 | maquis | Sargun: i never expected that, but i wasn't surprised :) |
| 18:20.38 | maquis | i understand that guys have questions because girls can be confusing |
| 18:20.52 | maquis | :) |
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| 18:24.35 | Sargun | macnewbold, s/can be/are/ |
| 18:24.38 | Sargun | maquis, |
| 18:26.22 | levi | s/girls/people/ |
| 18:26.26 | maquis | yeah |
| 18:26.52 | levi | Girls are just the only people that teenage boys are particularly interested in understanding. |
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| 19:00.18 | elg | levi: ping |
| 19:00.37 | elg | or anyone with a mac |
| 19:01.10 | levi | elg: pong |
| 19:01.17 | levi | Wassup? |
| 19:01.18 | elg | have garbage band installed? |
| 19:01.20 | elg | I need /Applications/GarageBand.app/Contents/MacOS/ChapterTool |
| 19:01.28 | levi | Sorry, nope. |
| 19:02.10 | levi | I just recently did a fresh reinstall, as all my free space was so badly fragmented that the whole dynamic swapfile thing made it terribly slow. |
| 19:02.26 | levi | It's only got a 30Gb drive or something in it. |
| 19:02.54 | maquis | you had to do a fresh reinstall of a mac/ |
| 19:03.01 | levi | I so want a new MacBook, but can't justify the expense right now. |
| 19:03.28 | levi | 'maquis Technically I didn't have to, but it was easier that way than trying to sort through everything. |
| 19:03.37 | levi | Oops. |
| 19:04.41 | maquis | levi: ah |
| 19:04.49 | maquis | levi: i like my thinkpad :) |
| 19:05.13 | maquis | we've got a T42 and an X61 |
| 19:05.17 | levi | Windows machines have exactly the same problem regarding dynamic swapfiles. |
| 19:05.26 | maquis | the X61 is a tablet |
| 19:05.31 | maquis | levi: i don't run it as a win machine :) |
| 19:05.35 | levi | Linux machines with dedicated swap partitions are immune, thankfully. |
| 19:06.00 | levi | I don't mind my Thinkpad from work, but I like the new MacBooks better. |
| 19:06.16 | maquis | is quite impressed with how much power she can get from a low-end "vista-ready" laptop when she sticks linux on it |
| 19:06.24 | maquis | :P |
| 19:07.01 | maquis | the x61 tablet is reasonably lower-end compared to most thinkpads (at least this one, since it has the lower spec options), but it's still *way* more powerful than my linux setup needs |
| 19:07.55 | levi | I don't think my Thinkpad is "vista-ready", but it runs about the same speed in XP, Windows 7, and Linux. :P |
| 19:08.08 | levi | All depends on what apps I want to run. |
| 19:09.08 | levi | Windows 7 can run its fancy visual effects, but Linux can't. |
| 19:09.28 | levi | I mostly run it in XP and Linux, though. |
| 19:11.16 | levi | I still find the Linux graphics and audio situation to be disappointing. |
| 19:12.20 | levi | Linux is a totally kickass backend server, a pretty good workstation (if it has the apps you need to work) and a mediocre to poor desktop. |
| 19:12.32 | maquis | levi: that's an interesting argument |
| 19:12.47 | levi | Well, it's my opinion, not really an argument. |
| 19:12.56 | maquis | i have found that for people who are used to working with windows, it's a hard transition to linux as a desktop |
| 19:13.10 | maquis | for me, though, i prefer it as a desktop |
| 19:14.20 | maquis | expects that her little girl will probably be pretty comfortable with linux from an early age... |
| 19:14.31 | levi | Your definition of 'desktop' is probably not the same as most people's. |
| 19:14.36 | maquis | levi: true... |
| 19:14.45 | levi | I'll bet it's closer to 'workstation'. |
| 19:14.47 | maquis | the needs i have for a desktop are not normal needs for a desktop |
| 19:15.14 | eightyeight | levi: whate are the differences between 'workstation' and 'desktop'? |
| 19:15.21 | maquis | i think i like a combination of workstation + games + media |
| 19:15.40 | maquis | but my game interests are not the typical WoW types of games |
| 19:17.38 | levi | eightyeight: A workstation is more oriented towards getting some sort of a technical job done (programming, engineering design, etc.) while a desktop is more oriented towards media, web browsing, games, office apps, etc. |
| 19:18.15 | eightyeight | in that regard, i would think it works better as a desktop than workstation |
| 19:18.22 | levi | Those are my definitions, anyway. The terms are fuzzy enough that they could be used as synonymous. |
| 19:18.43 | levi | s/synonymous/synonyms/ |
| 19:19.22 | levi | eightyeight: What's your reasoning behind that? |
| 19:20.24 | eightyeight | it's missing solid audio/video/photo editing solutions. cad and cas solutions are slim pickings |
| 19:20.38 | eightyeight | lacks good collaboration software with others in a workgroup too |
| 19:20.54 | eightyeight | general browsing and email seem to be up to par though |
| 19:21.42 | eightyeight | gaming sucks, no doubt. 3d accel is there, _if_ you have the right hardware. wirless is spotty pending your hardware too |
| 19:21.45 | levi | Like I said, it depends on what work you're doing. |
| 19:21.56 | eightyeight | sound is in a miserable state, but pulseaudio is promising |
| 19:21.56 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 19:22.04 | levi | If you're programming, it makes an excellent workstation. |
| 19:22.09 | eightyeight | agreed |
| 19:22.52 | levi | Unless you're programming an embedded system that only has Windows toolchain support or something. :P |
| 19:23.52 | levi | If your desktop needs are fairly spartan and you can deal with the crappiness of Gnome/KDE, it makes an okay desktop, if your hardware is supported. |
| 19:25.38 | eightyeight | i like the mac hardware, and their os, but i don't care for the vendor lock-in attitude of apple |
| 19:25.59 | eightyeight | really, when you've been on mac os x for some time, then you get back to gnome? heh. it's less exciting |
| 19:27.32 | levi | Current Gnome and KDE only really look exciting compared to old versions of Gnome and KDE. |
| 19:27.46 | eightyeight | although, there needs to be a solid terminal for os x. term and iterm are both pretty lack lustre. and iterm recently bloated its codebase for looks, which was disappointing |
| 19:28.00 | levi | Terminal.app works fine for me. |
| 19:28.15 | levi | I don't use tabbed terminals, though. |
| 19:28.38 | eightyeight | i never use tabs |
| 19:28.55 | RyanE | tabs? That's what screen is for. |
| 19:29.03 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 19:29.38 | levi | That's what cmd-~ is for. |
| 19:29.48 | maquis | levi: so, for me, gnome and kde being "exciting" is usually a bad thing :) |
| 19:30.12 | levi | maquis: Are you still running those silly minimalist window managers? |
| 19:31.32 | maquis | when i use my mom's mac, it usually seems to me like there's just too much eye-candy and most of it is kinda pointless |
| 19:31.35 | maquis | levi: yup... evil |
| 19:31.48 | eightyeight | i give openbox fair assessment, but i always migrate back to gnome, due to power management |
| 19:32.01 | eightyeight | maquis: you do get over the "buzz" of the max os x bling |
| 19:32.16 | eightyeight | although spaces is a beautiful app. why can't we have that goodness? |
| 19:33.04 | levi | At least the eye candy in OS X is smooth and tends to stay out of the way. |
| 19:34.09 | eightyeight | spaces and dashboard are slick. i get tired of the blue bubble style though. "aqua". seems to cartoonish to me |
| 19:34.38 | tensai | maquis: my kids do just fine with linux. my oldest also uses windows at school and has no problems. that's what I expected though. |
| 19:35.28 | maquis | tensai: yeah... that's what i'm expecting too... :) |
| 19:35.35 | levi | I'm not a huge aqua fan, either, but I'm used to it and at least it's graphically polished. |
| 19:36.35 | maquis | seeing as she's going to be introduced to linux pretty early, i'm guessing she'll be pretty familiar with computers... |
| 19:36.50 | tensai | maquis: I wrote some programs for my kids that I really need to post online somewhere |
| 19:37.05 | levi | I'm not in a huge hurry to introduce my kids to computers anymore. |
| 19:37.21 | tensai | my kids are in a hurry to do whatever daddy and mommy are doing |
| 19:37.27 | eightyeight | i must say i'm looking forward to 10.6. taking an entire release _just_ for improvements on speed and reliability is pretty slick |
| 19:37.29 | tensai | they're into email now |
| 19:37.41 | levi | I'm much more anxious to introduce them to mowing the lawn, weeding gardens, painting walls, etc. ;) |
| 19:38.08 | eightyeight | it would be nice to see distributions do the same. i guess debian stable does that to a degree |
| 19:39.10 | levi | Not quite the same, since all of the parts it's built on are happily marching onward while they're stabilizing. |
| 19:39.30 | tensai | levi: once they push the lawn mower into the fence, crush your cabbages and paint on the carpet you'll change your mind |
| 19:40.27 | eightyeight | levi: yeah. i'm just thinking of the work on fixing all the known release bugs on existing packages in testing |
| 19:40.40 | levi | Man, what did I have these kids for, then? ;) |
| 19:42.24 | eightyeight | i'm just hoping my kids turn out to be thinkers, then doers, rather than just doers. :) |
| 19:42.39 | levi | Or just thinkers. |
| 19:42.46 | ^Migs^ | I hope my kids just turn out normal |
| 19:43.22 | levi | I hope my kids turn out normal enough, but not *too* normal. ;) |
| 19:43.50 | eightyeight | yeah. thinkers i guess is okay, as long as the thinking isn't day dreaming. :) |
| 19:44.48 | unum | I'm going to try and help my kids develop better social skills than I did |
| 19:44.50 | levi | No, being smart without the discipline to do anything is awful. |
| 19:45.01 | unum | actually the more like my best friend |
| 19:45.10 | unum | he had decent social skill and was still a nice guy |
| 19:45.25 | eightyeight | oh, yeah. i see what you mean. yes. just thinking doesn't do much without the follow up action |
| 19:46.15 | eightyeight | i guess if they're thinking about a homework math problem, or how to solve a social situation, is good. but they should act on it eventually |
| 19:46.30 | tensai | it's hard to let your kids be themselves rather than trying to make them be a better version of yourself |
| 19:46.31 | levi | You can be dumb and happy, but I don't think you can be lazy/inactive and really happy. |
| 19:47.29 | eightyeight | tensai: i think that's what i'm suffering from. i day dreamed in school, and still do today. i don't sit and just "think" much. my brain wanders too much. hard to control |
| 19:48.35 | levi | I daydreamed in school a lot, too. I think it can actually be a good thing, but you have to learn to work with/around it rather than trying to force it. |
| 19:49.32 | unum | or drug it |
| 19:50.21 | eightyeight | when i was on the mish, the president asked us to actually think about our investigators, lessons, doctrine, etc when not teaching |
| 19:50.36 | eightyeight | he challenged us to do it for a full week. don't day dream. think. |
| 19:50.40 | eightyeight | it was exhausting |
| 19:51.48 | eightyeight | i've had jobs, where thinking about solving a programming problem or algorithm was required past the normal work hours |
| 19:52.06 | eightyeight | for me, it was hard to stay focused for long |
| 19:52.18 | unum | you brain works on it subconsicously |
| 19:52.29 | unum | I don't consicously think about work once I leave :) |
| 19:52.39 | unum | though sometimes before I come in |
| 19:53.00 | unum | dreams are actually your brain brain storming about possible problems and how to solve them |
| 19:53.26 | eightyeight | i have solved algorithms that plagued me for hours in a dream |
| 19:53.46 | eightyeight | when i awoke, it always made me chuckle at how simple the solution was |
| 19:54.58 | eightyeight | which, shows you how inexperienced i am at solving such problems |
| 19:56.34 | levi | Focusing on things can be counterproductive, regardless of what your mish pres says. Screw it, daydream, and let your mind do its thing. |
| 19:57.24 | levi | It'll mean your productivity is bursty, but you won't get burnt out and you'll do good work instead of crap work. |
| 19:57.52 | eightyeight | well, the idea was to train the mind, rather than let it wander |
| 19:58.02 | eightyeight | so, when you needed to think, you could, and do it well |
| 19:58.13 | levi | Maybe that works for some people. |
| 20:00.22 | levi | There was that whole cognition theory of 'mappers' vs. 'packers'. |
| 20:00.56 | levi | I'm not sure it isn't a load of garbage, but it was interesting. |
| 20:03.41 | levi | Anyway, I'm pretty sure a more productive way of training your mind would be to learn how to free up your subconscious mind to do its thing rather than trying to tie it up going through rote patterns with your conscious mind. |
| 20:37.38 | Sargun | tensai, I'm getting my v6 subnet today |
| 20:37.58 | Sargun | It's a /48 |
| 20:38.18 | tensai | PI? |
| 20:39.38 | Sargun | sure |
| 20:39.53 | tensai | do you have somebody to route it? |
| 20:39.57 | Sargun | he.net |
| 20:40.08 | Sargun | they're our upstream |
| 20:40.12 | Sargun | (C) |
| 20:40.18 | tensai | nic |
| 20:40.19 | tensai | e |
| 20:41.10 | tensai | Sargun: bgp peering? |
| 20:42.00 | Sargun | of course |
| 20:42.03 | Sargun | we're as19866 |
| 20:42.08 | goozbach | ~metar kxta |
| 20:42.16 | tensai | ~whois as19866 |
| 20:42.42 | tensai | ah, so not yours personally then? |
| 21:25.17 | eightyeight | uhh... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/license-agreement-fo.html |
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| 22:17.37 | tensai | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8161026.stm |
| 22:17.40 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Taser-hit man burst into flames] |
| 22:19.10 | tensai | while morbidly humerous, it sounds like the police used the taser appropriately |
| 22:20.51 | eightyeight | that's what i'm reading |
| 22:21.04 | eightyeight | taser or firearm, which would have been worse, probably |
| 22:21.42 | eightyeight | it seems the victim's sister isn't blaming police either, which is a surprise |
| 22:24.33 | Jayce^ | hrm, so I need something simple like 'grep -v 'foo' /bar/baz > /bar/baz' that will actually work, bonus if there is a way to lock it... |
| 22:24.43 | Jayce^ | basically stripping a line from a file |
| 22:26.31 | goozbach | stripping a line from a file? |
| 22:26.33 | goozbach | sed? |
| 22:27.23 | goozbach | http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/31181-delete-line-file-sed.html |
| 22:28.11 | tensai | eightyeight: and that's exactly what a taser is for, a less lethal choice when a gun is the only other option |
| 22:28.41 | Jayce^ | I'd started with something like that, (the tmpfile version).. was trying to get around moving it.. checking into ex |
| 22:29.00 | eightyeight | tensai: yup |
| 22:29.37 | Jayce^ | nifty |
| 22:32.01 | unum | so in the mafia war games on face book you can "pimp" people |
| 22:32.25 | unum | i don't know what this means, but logging in and seeing a girl say "please pimp me" causes some strange thoughts |
| 22:33.12 | tensai | I bet it was exciting to see him explode in flames though |
| 22:36.00 | eightyeight | heh |
| 22:36.36 | eightyeight | putting it out by your hands tells me the fire was minimal, rather than being entirely consumed |
| 22:37.37 | goozbach | sed -ie? |
| 22:39.53 | goozbach | [dcarter@ord-mandell foo]$ grep waterdog tmpwords |
| 22:39.53 | goozbach | waterdog |
| 22:39.53 | goozbach | waterdogs |
| 22:39.53 | goozbach | [dcarter@ord-mandell foo]$ sed -ie '/waterdog/d' tmpwords |
| 22:39.54 | goozbach | [dcarter@ord-mandell foo]$ grep waterdog tmpwords |
| 22:40.07 | goozbach | put anchors around it and voila, you've done it |
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| 22:58.45 | tensai | yay. my family was exposed to mrsa and may potentially be infected. what a wonderful summer experience. |
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