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| 14:50.17 | RyanE | /clear/clear |
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| 15:15.23 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 15:15.24 | ibot | puts toofer into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of toofer's hair of |
| 15:16.41 | toofer | harshness |
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| 15:18.13 | sjansen | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/opinion/12rich.html?_r=1 |
| 15:18.17 | brac | [Op-Ed Columnist - She Broke the G.O.P. and Now She Owns It - NYTimes.com] |
| 15:19.03 | sjansen | Palin bails on Alaska and that _improves_ her chances to become the Republican presidential candidate???!!! |
| 15:19.21 | sjansen | The Republican party is deeply, deeply messed up right now. |
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| 15:23.18 | sinuhe | McCain nearly had my vote locked in until Palin came along. |
| 15:24.43 | tensai | palin sealed the deal for my vote...for obama |
| 15:25.48 | sjansen | http://roflrazzi.com/2009/07/10/celebrity-pictures-cruise-miscavige-scientology-heat/ |
| 15:46.22 | Migs | omg this is funny: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/12/first-person-shooter.html |
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| 16:21.03 | sjansen | Okay, what the heck is up with interviewing Shuttleworth about the future of GNOME? |
| 16:21.16 | sinuhe | sjansen: Reference? |
| 16:21.40 | sjansen | He's not on the board. He doesn't fund a majority of the developers. All he did was create a money losing distro and grow a great head of hair. |
| 16:22.06 | sjansen | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/13/0820238/Shuttleworths-Take-On-GNOME-30-Coordination-with-Debian?art_pos=8&art_pos=8 |
| 16:22.55 | sjansen | It seems every few months some new online mag is interviewing Shuttleworth so he uses the opportunity to pontificate on the future of GNOME. |
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| 16:36.36 | JoshH | i wonder the same thing |
| 16:36.43 | JoshH | i don't care about shuttleworth's thoughts on pretty much anything |
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| 16:37.07 | JoshH | all i care about is whether his bank account still has enough to pay for ubuntu |
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| 17:32.39 | levi | The interview is not really about Gnome 3.0, it's more about how Gnome 3.0 fits into the Ubuntu world. |
| 17:33.02 | _crush | I still wish they would have kept the ability to change the login screen |
| 17:37.28 | kemotaha | Any of the Neverblock guys here? |
| 17:37.43 | Jayce^ | goozbach is |
| 17:37.58 | kemotaha | but is he here :) |
| 17:41.39 | goozbach | I'm always here |
| 18:27.08 | sjansen | ~lart sinuhe for singing a Jackson song |
| 18:27.08 | ibot | beats sinuhe over the head with a microkernel for singing a Jackson song |
| 18:27.28 | sinuhe | sjansen: Jackson song? I don't think so. |
| 18:27.39 | sjansen | Too late. |
| 18:27.47 | sjansen | Never back down. Never apologize. |
| 18:29.41 | sjansen | http://infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/true-it-confessions-643 |
| 18:32.15 | eightyeight | who is jackson? |
| 18:34.32 | tensai | steve jackson, the game designer |
| 18:35.26 | eightyeight | what does he sing? |
| 18:35.54 | tensai | the gurps song |
| 18:36.34 | stderr | "I hate the FBI" |
| 18:36.57 | stderr | or, rather "I hate the Secret Service" |
| 18:37.31 | eightyeight | i hate the riaa, mpaa, tsa, fcc, ftc and many, many others. does that count? |
| 18:37.57 | tensai | were you made a scape goat by them? did they shut down your company on specious charges? |
| 18:38.09 | eightyeight | no. i read techdirt |
| 18:39.51 | tensai | I recommend bruce sterling's the hacker crackdown |
| 18:40.04 | tensai | the cory doctorow reading is good, imho. http://www.archive.org/details/CoryDoctorowPodcast86 |
| 18:41.32 | tensai | actually, this is a better link. http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/13/podcast-of-bruce-ste.html |
| 18:41.53 | Migs | hahaha http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww211/jeep2003/2075oid.jpg |
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| 18:53.03 | _crush | that's not that long of a swim.... |
| 18:55.03 | stderr | tensai: great book. ++ |
| 18:58.44 | eightyeight | sjansen: how do you know ubuntu is a money losing distro? |
| 19:00.59 | sjansen | There would have been more fanfare about it breaking even. |
| 19:01.41 | sjansen | Shuttleworth has made a big deal about it eventually being self sustaining. They would have sung it from the roof tops if they'd reached that point yet. |
| 19:04.54 | sjansen | http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/al-lewis-wells-fargo-bank-sues/ |
| 19:05.29 | eightyeight | with it bringting in $30mil annually, i would expect it to break even in a couple years |
| 19:19.30 | goozbach | http://notalwaysright.com/the-hole-in-his-logic/2206 |
| 19:28.57 | levi | Wow, Radio Shack has upped their hobby electronics inventory. |
| 19:29.31 | Migs | that's gotta be fake, goozbach |
| 19:35.48 | jsmith | levi: Seriously? |
| 19:35.59 | levi | Yeah, I was shocked. |
| 19:36.16 | jsmith | levi: They've doubled it from two resisters and a plastic box to three resisters, two photocells, and a wire-wrap tool? |
| 19:36.41 | levi | They've got a set of drawers full of various components, plus a good chunk of wall space. |
| 19:37.44 | Jayce^ | jsmith: they added one of those wal-mart/harbor freight wiring kit sets. |
| 19:38.07 | levi | I got a project box, a small PC board, a barrier strip terminal block, and some wire. |
| 19:38.54 | levi | But they had drawers full of resistors, capacitors, switches (4 drawers of different kinds of switches! But no DP3T ones. :( ) etc. |
| 19:40.15 | levi | They had 3 or 4 different kinds of electronics kits for kids, too. |
| 19:40.33 | levi | And a fairly recent edition of 'Getting Started in Electronics'. |
| 19:40.33 | Jayce^ | that's cool, maybe I'll have to actually go back there then.. |
| 19:41.24 | jsmith | levi: Thanks for the info... may have to check it out |
| 19:42.17 | levi | I was looking for PC boards, and a sales guy asked if I needed help. And he knew where the PC boards where when I asked. |
| 19:42.33 | Jayce^ | just in case levi, *which* radio shack.. |
| 19:42.46 | Jayce^ | 'cause it sure doesnt' sound like any I've visited post-childhood |
| 19:42.59 | levi | It was the one next to the Smiths Marketplace on 90th and Redwood. |
| 19:44.06 | levi | I know, I found the whole experience kind of unsettling, like I was returning to my youth when I'd dog-ear Radio Shack catalogs and dream of building walkie-talkies or something. |
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| 20:01.15 | levi | Ooh, I got a Google Voice invitation. |
| 20:01.58 | Jayce^ | you didnt' have one before? |
| 20:02.04 | levi | Nope. |
| 20:02.29 | RyanE | levi: I think they've opened it up, and are working through the backlog, I got one last week, and had been waiting for a while. |
| 20:07.38 | goozbach | I have a question... |
| 20:07.47 | goozbach | why is a tool like Facter written in ruby |
| 20:07.49 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:08.06 | goozbach | when it's only true purpose is to call out to system binaries and record the output. |
| 20:08.15 | levi | Because someone likes to write stuff in Ruby? |
| 20:09.08 | goozbach | yeah |
| 20:09.57 | levi | Because people are wising up to the fact that programming in shell SUCKS? |
| 20:14.04 | sjansen | Because Facter is part of Puppet and Puppet is written it Ruby. |
| 20:14.34 | sjansen | Mixing languages reduces the number of developers who can work on the entire stack. |
| 20:16.28 | levi | Man, google voice's site is slow. |
| 20:18.39 | RyanE | sjansen: Yeah, that way you don't have a lot of goofballs in there messing up your code. I'm going to write in APL with full graphical symbols! Woot! |
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| 20:57.43 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 20:57.57 | goozbach | why the sigh chicken fry? |
| 20:57.57 | sjansen | Call me anal, but it bugs me when people use the wrong name for distros. |
| 20:58.54 | sjansen | [Oracle] Enterprise Linux == RHEL clone |
| 20:59.19 | sjansen | Oracle Unbreakable Linux == Oracle services for customers running Linux |
| 20:59.36 | goozbach | that's Oracle's fault |
| 20:59.42 | eightyeight | heh. i'd say |
| 20:59.48 | goozbach | I didn't know there was a difference |
| 20:59.57 | goozbach | their marketing is broken |
| 21:13.46 | _crush | sjansen: i'd call you that name, but I feel it's unwarranted |
| 21:17.15 | eightyeight | it's "redhat" |
| 21:17.52 | JoshH | everything is either redhat or debian |
| 21:18.07 | JoshH | except for stuff like slackware and gentoo and arch and so forth that only weird people use |
| 21:18.37 | JoshH | and just forget about suse |
| 21:18.52 | eightyeight | is referring to intentionally losing the space |
| 21:19.00 | eightyeight | JoshH: you mean SuSE? |
| 21:19.03 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 21:19.09 | sjansen | ~lart eightyeight |
| 21:19.09 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of eightyeight |
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| 21:19.13 | sjansen | ~punish eightyeight |
| 21:19.14 | ibot | ACTION forces eightyeight to install and use Windows |
| 21:19.21 | JoshH | i've always refused to honor the proper capitalization of it |
| 21:19.25 | JoshH | and i think it's actually SUSE now |
| 21:19.29 | sjansen | Red Hat |
| 21:19.30 | sjansen | SUSE |
| 21:19.33 | JoshH | but i don't even want to know, because i'm proud of my suse ignorance |
| 21:19.34 | sjansen | openSUSE |
| 21:19.39 | eightyeight | sjansen: "redhat" according to their logo |
| 21:20.10 | _crush | One thing I never understood about suse is their absurd package management mess |
| 21:20.37 | sjansen | ~silence eightyeight |
| 21:20.38 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in eightyeight's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 21:20.42 | JoshH | the company itself is called Red Hat |
| 21:20.54 | sjansen | Red Hat Enterprise Linux |
| 21:20.55 | JoshH | the distro might be redhat |
| 21:20.58 | eightyeight | JoshH: i know. i'm pushing sjansen's buttons |
| 21:21.01 | _crush | When I tried it (11.1) there were 3 different ones working in parallel. I couldn't figure out why they didn't either stick with the old one and fix it or just drop it and move to the new one |
| 21:22.18 | sjansen | RH wants everyone to use all four words, but as far as I'm concerned, RHEL and Red Hat are also correct. |
| 21:22.18 | eightyeight | i find the four word thing funny |
| 21:22.19 | sjansen | _crush: Three different whats? |
| 21:22.23 | _crush | sjansen: package managers. there was still yast, yast2, and zypper |
| 21:22.24 | eightyeight | they are pushing their new "RHEV" product, not "Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization" |
| 21:22.46 | sjansen | yast and yast2 are the same program |
| 21:22.49 | eightyeight | _crush: yast is the tui to yast2 |
| 21:23.03 | sjansen | yast will launch in curses mode, yast2 will launch in GUI mode by default |
| 21:23.36 | eightyeight | however, i'm with you on zypper. and did you know yum is available in their repo? |
| 21:23.42 | sjansen | IIRC, in the background yast is just using the zypper libraries. |
| 21:23.55 | _crush | that makes sense for a headless server, but i still didn't understand the transition with zypper and yast2 |
| 21:23.56 | sjansen | So, really, they have only one package manager. |
| 21:24.14 | sjansen | zypper is more powerful. yast is for people afraid to learn anything new. |
| 21:24.30 | eightyeight | sjansen: you can call zypp and yast separatley, though. both performing package management duties |
| 21:24.34 | _crush | it just got hasling when some sites would provide a walkthough using yast2, others yast, and another with zypper |
| 21:24.37 | sjansen | eightyeight: RHEV, good point |
| 21:24.55 | jsmith | _crush: What, and leave out "rug"? |
| 21:24.57 | JoshH | anyone actually use suse, who doesn't teach classes on it? |
| 21:25.18 | sinuhe | JoshH: I've heard of such a thing. |
| 21:25.27 | eightyeight | sontek did at one point. dunno if he's even using gnu/linux these days |
| 21:25.40 | sjansen | jshipley: zypper replaces rug (good riddance) |
| 21:25.57 | _crush | JoshH: Utah Valley University still uses SLES9 because one of the professors there co-authored it but said he didn't make enough money from it so they still had to use it in their cirriculum |
| 21:26.13 | JoshH | glad i don't go there then |
| 21:26.28 | _crush | he didn't make money because only the frist one or two semesters of the class that used that book actually paid for a new copy, since then, everyone buys used so he never sees a dime |
| 21:26.39 | fungus | sigh, I still have 4 or 5 sles servers. |
| 21:26.43 | fungus | :( |
| 21:26.56 | eightyeight | there's a part of me that feel hypocritical for not running suse, being a utah-based product, now |
| 21:27.04 | _crush | don't worry fungus, i'm a masochist and have a Fedora 11 server |
| 21:27.11 | JoshH | i don't even consider it utah based at all |
| 21:27.14 | eightyeight | seeing as though i shop utah-based products at the grocery store |
| 21:27.38 | eightyeight | JoshH: not technically, no. but, seeing as though novell owns it now, and they're in provo... |
| 21:27.49 | fungus | I am not going to buy an inferior product just because it was made in Utah. |
| 21:28.05 | eightyeight | i won't either |
| 21:28.12 | JoshH | i don't even consider provo to be local |
| 21:28.14 | JoshH | more like another planet |
| 21:28.19 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:28.35 | JoshH | or maybe slc is the other planet |
| 21:28.58 | _crush | so you get a sinking feeling in your stomach when you drive in/through provo? |
| 21:29.02 | JoshH | and it's not like novell is actually based there |
| 21:29.31 | JoshH | also, novell sucks |
| 21:30.07 | eightyeight | i'm just saying, opensuse/sled/sles is now the utah product. "aren't you from utah? you don't run suse?" |
| 21:30.18 | fungus | I disagree, Novell doesn't suck in general. They only suck specifically. |
| 21:30.24 | eightyeight | nope. i don't. can't see why i would want to |
| 21:31.38 | fungus | Novell has done much good in it's lifetime, and still does. just not sles |
| 21:32.05 | eightyeight | sles isn't entirely novell's fault, though |
| 21:32.11 | eightyeight | it sucked before novell got 'em |
| 21:32.15 | RyanE | heh. I thought you said "just not sales". |
| 21:32.48 | fungus | hehe |
| 21:33.22 | JoshH | i liked novell back when they had the ximianized open office version, which was in debian |
| 21:33.27 | JoshH | and it's cool that the banshee guy works there |
| 21:33.28 | JoshH | but that's about it |
| 21:34.20 | eightyeight | JoshH: you on sid? |
| 21:34.32 | JoshH | no |
| 21:34.35 | JoshH | not these days |
| 21:34.41 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:35.02 | eightyeight | testing? stable? |
| 21:35.14 | JoshH | stable on my servers, ubuntu on my desktop/workstation |
| 21:35.19 | eightyeight | ahh |
| 21:35.55 | eightyeight | i failed to specify your desktop |
| 21:36.07 | JoshH | sid takes too much babysitting of upgrades after a while |
| 21:36.44 | JoshH | i'd rather just not have to worry about it for 6 months, then do a full upgrade |
| 21:37.00 | eightyeight | i removed ubuntu because of that reason |
| 21:37.26 | eightyeight | i didn't like babysitting an upgrade for 2 hours, while it downloaded everything, and dpkg asked what i wanted to do with configs |
| 21:37.57 | JoshH | well, it doesn't take me that long, at least not at work |
| 21:39.00 | eightyeight | i must say, that's the biggest annoyance i have with dpkg |
| 21:39.16 | eightyeight | it should be 100% automated, not asking me a thing during an upgrade |
| 21:39.29 | eightyeight | create .new configs, and i'll parse through them when it finishes |
| 21:39.31 | JoshH | but ya, it comes down to whether you prefer constant rolling updates, some that need manual massaging, or a full upgrade twice a year |
| 21:39.37 | sjansen | SLES has improved _a lot_ since Novell bought them. |
| 21:39.48 | JoshH | well it only asks you if you changed a stock config |
| 21:39.50 | sjansen | s/a lot/alot/ |
| 21:40.08 | JoshH | if you never changed the stock config, it should replace without asking you, and if you did change it, it should ask you what you want to do |
| 21:40.13 | eightyeight | JoshH: right. it shouldn't though, is my point |
| 21:40.26 | JoshH | but it would be nice if you could have a default to keep your custom configs without asking |
| 21:41.54 | sjansen | Thanks to Novell/Ximian, GNOME is actually usable on SLES. |
| 21:42.09 | sjansen | Thanks to Novell, the crack is slowly being removed from SLES. |
| 21:42.20 | sjansen | There's just a lot of crack to remove. |
| 21:42.31 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.34 | sinuhe | ponders Novell removing the crack from anything. |
| 21:42.44 | RyanE | crack team of ex-commandos? |
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| 21:48.03 | tensai | crack teams of crack commandos |
| 21:49.51 | goozbach | crack team of crack addicts? |
| 21:50.22 | Jayce^ | harleypig's crack! |
| 21:50.44 | eightyeight | gah! |
| 21:50.54 | eightyeight | Jayce^: isn't this channel family-friendly? |
| 21:50.57 | eightyeight | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 21:50.57 | ibot | slaps Jayce^ upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:58.17 | Imortallis | ninjas are cool |
| 21:58.44 | goozbach | crack ninjas |
| 21:58.49 | goozbach | interesting idea |
| 21:58.55 | goozbach | Imortallis: you can stay |
| 21:59.00 | sjansen | ~language Jayce^ |
| 21:59.01 | ibot | ACTION grabs Jayce^ by the ear and washes Jayce^'s mouth out with soap |
| 21:59.17 | sinuhe | What have I done? |
| 21:59.19 | Imortallis | although i dont think it would be easy to crack ninjas... |
| 21:59.27 | Imortallis | i think they would be cracking you |
| 22:00.53 | sjansen | ~crack Imortallis |
| 22:00.54 | ibot | ACTION cracks Imortallis 's rock in half and then proceeds to shatter the halves into tiny pieces |
| 22:01.08 | Imortallis | rofl |
| 22:04.16 | tensai | ~shatter sjansen |
| 22:04.17 | ibot | ACTION dips sjansen into liquid hydrogen and then hurls the sjansensicle to the floor. |
| 22:05.05 | sjansen | ~pout |
| 22:05.05 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, pout is To protrude the lips in an expression of displeasure or sulkiness. |
| 22:15.16 | stderr | alright if you've never heard of this site, for the love of baby Jesus don't visit it. But hilarious: http://imgur.com/0vmLH.jpg |
| 22:21.59 | sjansen | ~love stderr |
| 22:21.59 | ibot | If you love stderr so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 22:22.32 | stderr | flutters his eyelashes |
| 22:22.48 | fungus | OMG!!! |
| 22:22.52 | fungus | EEK |
| 22:22.59 | JoshH | grandpa! |
| 22:23.00 | fungus | gouges eyes out |
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| 22:25.50 | stderr | tried to warn you... |
| 22:26.06 | fungus | eww, old people shouldn't be allowed to do porn. |
| 22:26.22 | stderr | I don't invoke little baby Jesus very often, and when I do, take it to heart. |
| 22:26.26 | Migs | stderr: SFW? |
| 22:26.31 | stderr | Migs: Absolutely not. |
| 22:26.33 | fungus | NSFW! |
| 22:26.44 | Migs | yeah right, I'm just going to give it a looksie anyway... |
| 22:26.55 | stderr | ... |
| 22:27.44 | Migs | hey, that's my neighbor Phil |
| 22:28.06 | stderr | you spent enough time looking at it to identify someone? |
| 22:28.06 | JoshH | Migs, maybe you would enjoy meatspin.com |
| 22:28.07 | stderr | ~shun Migs |
| 22:28.08 | ibot | You are dead to me, Migs. |
| 22:28.26 | Migs | meatspin should have a high score |
| 22:29.11 | JoshH | on some forums i host, whenever i have a troll or loser or whatever, i use a rewriterule that matches their ip and sends them to meatspin |
| 22:29.28 | JoshH | so much better than banning |
| 22:40.58 | fungus | meatspin... i'm curious but I don't dare. |
| 22:44.11 | JoshH | i hate people who "ftp site" so bad |
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| 23:33.28 | Sargun_screen | o.O |
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