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| 15:59.12 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 15:59.13 | ibot | drops a baby grand on fungus |
| 16:04.47 | jalbretsen | darn sjansens |
| 16:08.53 | manithree | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/07/microsoft-issues-patent-promise-dispels-mono-concerns.ars |
| 16:08.55 | brac | [Microsoft issues patent promise, dispels Mono legal concerns - Ars Technica] |
| 16:09.07 | manithree | Anybody less c#-averse today? |
| 16:09.34 | sjansen | C#? Is that a type of rash? |
| 16:09.44 | manithree | Depends on who you ask |
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| 16:11.51 | sjansen | To answer your question seriously, yes I'm more willing to consider C# now. |
| 16:13.34 | manithree | So am I. |
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| 16:32.23 | WoodsDog | does anyone know if using nvidia SLI, do you need to have 2 cards that are the same, or two chipsets that are the same? |
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| 17:28.34 | levi | Ugh, C#. |
| 17:30.08 | levi | Not the most terrible language in the world, but not something I'd really want to use right now. And the recent move by Microsoft strikes me as a very good thing, but has no effect on my likelihood of using C#. |
| 17:31.15 | manithree | levi: so your distaste for c# is technical, not legal |
| 17:33.59 | levi | Yes. |
| 17:34.43 | levi | And it's not so much C# that I have a distaste for as it is working with gigantic software systems and layers upon layers of APIs and libraries. |
| 17:39.44 | levi | I'm a fan of open source software, but I am by no means a free software purist. |
| 17:40.12 | levi | I don't really hate Microsoft and Windows, either, though it's certainly not my first pick in operating systems. |
| 17:42.23 | RyanE | C# isn't that bad of a language, but I think you pretty much *need* a full IDE to efficiently develop with it, due to the large number of libraries you're referring to. |
| 17:42.50 | levi | Anyway, I mostly write straight C for embedded systems at work, and I tinker around with new or unique languages for fun. So, C# doesn't really fit in very well. |
| 17:43.26 | RyanE | I agree. If we didn't use it at work, I wouldn't know much about it, either. |
| 17:43.42 | RyanE | fortunately, most of the time, I don't work on the Windows GUI, so not much C#. |
| 17:53.09 | levi | I did use it for a couple of class assignments. |
| 18:09.57 | goozbach | ibot: rot13 Gur novyvgl gb haqrefgnaq gung guvf vf ABG fgebat rapelcgvba |
| 18:09.57 | ibot | The ability to understand that this is NOT strong encryption |
| 18:10.12 | goozbach | that was a requirement of a job posting I just saw |
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| 18:14.49 | Supaplex | haha. I was thinking that was rot13 even before I saw the keyword. |
| 18:16.06 | Supaplex | levi: my feelings for microsoft/windows/etc is largely apathy. I don't need them, and they're no threat, so why waste thought on them at all? :) |
| 18:19.51 | goozbach | I've almost gotten to the point I can read rot13 natively |
| 18:19.56 | goozbach | for small words anywho |
| 18:20.16 | JoshH | my thoughts on windows is that it's a pita to use for anything but gaming |
| 18:20.24 | JoshH | i hate doing any kind of sysadmin or network work with it |
| 18:21.12 | JoshH | also, it creates a lot of family tech support headaches, more so than mac or linux |
| 18:21.13 | Supaplex | indeed. |
| 18:22.49 | ^Migs^ | the other day my neighbor asked me to help him fix his laptop |
| 18:22.56 | ^Migs^ | problem is, he was running Vista. I was stumbling around like an idiot. |
| 18:23.34 | WoodsDog | JoshH, I love linux, but I think that linux on my mom's computer or grandma's computer would cause more tech headaches than windows. |
| 18:23.42 | WoodsDog | I can't comment on OS X... |
| 18:23.48 | JoshH | depends |
| 18:24.12 | JoshH | as an example, my aunt called me because she said "i installed some weather program and then my screensaver stopped working" |
| 18:24.22 | JoshH | now, i never did call her back on that one, but i'm sure if she had ubuntu it wouldn't have happened |
| 18:24.40 | ^Migs^ | erm |
| 18:24.46 | WoodsDog | because there is no good weather program ? :) |
| 18:24.51 | ^Migs^ | have you actually done tech support with Windows users who've switched Linux? |
| 18:24.54 | ^Migs^ | it's usually not pretty |
| 18:25.16 | WoodsDog | j/k....i think it'd be hell walking my mom through tech support on linux. |
| 18:25.32 | ^Migs^ | People who switch to Linux because they want to try it out are one thing. People who switch because they're not given an option are another. |
| 18:25.35 | WoodsDog | "now, drop to a shell, and type in the command....put the spaces where i tell you to" |
| 18:25.46 | Supaplex | ssh moms-pc.woodsdog.org |
| 18:25.50 | sjansen | You have to know the user. I think my mother is right on the borderline of people that can be switched no problem. |
| 18:26.07 | ^Migs^ | of course, Google's Chrome OS will solve everything |
| 18:26.10 | sjansen | WoodsDog: You picked the wrong distro if that's necessary. |
| 18:26.13 | goozbach | I install vncserver on windows so I can support |
| 18:26.22 | goozbach | or I used to |
| 18:26.22 | WoodsDog | sjansen, wrong distro? |
| 18:26.28 | goozbach | I refuse to do so now |
| 18:26.35 | goozbach | I tell them to call dell or apple |
| 18:27.10 | sjansen | If you think someone can be safely switched to Linux, you should recommend a distro that won't require them to touch the command line. |
| 18:27.11 | rsimpkins | You feel a need to come to PLUG tonight. |
| 18:27.34 | WoodsDog | hmm..then i'm not that good at troubleshooting linux without a command prompt. |
| 18:27.52 | sjansen | If you pick a distro that can't be reasonably fixed without touching the command line, you picked the wrong distro. |
| 18:28.01 | rsimpkins | You can't explain it, but you have this intense desire to show off the latest hotness you've been working on. |
| 18:28.47 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Are you saying we're having a wet t-shirt contest at PLUG tonight? |
| 18:29.03 | ^Migs^ | erm |
| 18:29.05 | rsimpkins | sjansen: have you been hitting the gym? Ready to shake it a little? |
| 18:29.06 | ^Migs^ | that depends on the user, sjansen |
| 18:29.11 | WoodsDog | depends who's in the wet t-shirt |
| 18:29.30 | ^Migs^ | For grandma using Linux, yes. As for me, I prefer command lines usually. |
| 18:29.41 | sjansen | No gym. But I can shake it. |
| 18:30.08 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Of course. |
| 18:30.45 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Sweet. Hopefully you'll pontificate for at least 3 minutes why awk is a bad tool to use. Giving the reasons why it should be removed from your system. And so forth. |
| 18:30.56 | sjansen | I'm just saying, if you're going to switch you mom to $DISTRO, you'd better make sure that $DISTRO comes locked down well enough that any damage she does can be undone from the GUI. |
| 18:31.26 | WoodsDog | i don't keep up on my distros...which ones (examples) would that be sjansen? |
| 18:32.04 | WoodsDog | rsimpkins, I might have to come and defend awk. |
| 18:32.11 | WoodsDog | awk is great! |
| 18:32.19 | sjansen | While Ubuntu isn't my personal favorite, I think it's the most mom friendly. |
| 18:32.44 | rsimpkins | I put my wife on Ubuntu, she didn't like it. She wanted windows back. |
| 18:32.51 | sjansen | I prefer Fedora, but there's no way I put it in the hands of a novice. Too much tendency to go boom occasionally. |
| 18:33.00 | WoodsDog | is really thinking how mom would do on ubuntu. |
| 18:33.21 | WoodsDog | it'd be tough...she gets frustrated quickly by technology she doesn't understand |
| 18:33.36 | JoshH | ubuntu/fedora/etc are good for moms etc because all they need is a mail client that won't break in all the ways outlook breaks, and a browser that won't allow their computer to become infested. if they want to have stupid little weather programs, too bad |
| 18:33.51 | rsimpkins | WoodsDog: That's exactly the kind of people who should keep buying MS products. ;-) |
| 18:34.01 | WoodsDog | who's mom uses a mail client? don't they all use web mail clients? |
| 18:34.06 | WoodsDog | (other than work) |
| 18:34.11 | sjansen | rsimpkins: You forced Linux on her, or she chose to try it? One the biggest reasons Linux fails is the user resents it. |
| 18:34.30 | JoshH | in that case woodsdog, it's even easier |
| 18:34.35 | WoodsDog | she needs to stay on ms...i don't want to deal with the headaches of supporting her on linux. |
| 18:34.49 | JoshH | for someone who likes to install random crap on their own, linux is bad |
| 18:35.02 | JoshH | for someone who does the same 3 simple activities every day and never deviates, linux is great |
| 18:35.22 | sjansen | *shrug* There's no way I support anyone who installs random crap on Windows. |
| 18:35.26 | JoshH | me neither |
| 18:35.28 | WoodsDog | yeah..i can just see the first time she plugs in her digital camera, and something doesn't automount right. |
| 18:35.44 | rsimpkins | sjansen: She didn't resent it. She actually figured out a lot of really cool stuff while using Linux. It added to her overall technical skill. She chose windows after using Linux for about 3 months. |
| 18:35.47 | JoshH | i've never had a problem with digital camers on linux |
| 18:35.53 | WoodsDog | "alright mom, bust out the command. Do an dmesg to see what device the kernel recognizes it as" |
| 18:36.10 | JoshH | unless you count my sony handycam, which i haven't bothered messing with on linux since my wife does all the video and it works fine on her imac |
| 18:36.56 | sjansen | WoodsDog: Again, wrong distro. Decent modern distros will automatically recognize the camera and maybe even launch an app if there's any hope of the camera working at all. |
| 18:37.13 | sjansen | "Do you see a camera icon on the desktop? Okay, now click on it." |
| 18:37.27 | WoodsDog | sjansen, sure...but the first time it doesn't go right...and that does happen. |
| 18:37.39 | WoodsDog | or she pulls it out fast, and plugs it back in... |
| 18:37.51 | WoodsDog | i'm just saying there could be possibilty of it getting screwed up. |
| 18:38.23 | WoodsDog | i'm going to take heat from you guys on this one...I'm not happy with unzipping files in linux. i always use the command line to do it. |
| 18:38.42 | sjansen | So much better than "Did the camera come with a CD? Okay, that's the driver disc. Put the disc in the drive, wait for it to mount, then plug in the camera. Now click on the 'I agree to give you my first child button', now click the next button. Wait what was that error? Could you read that again? Crap, looks like we're going to have to reboot and try this again." |
| 18:38.51 | rsimpkins | WoodsDog: You don't like using the CLI to 'unzip' files? |
| 18:39.08 | WoodsDog | i use the cli to unzip files...i'm not happy with the gui programs |
| 18:39.36 | sjansen | s/mount/open an annoying window with the camera manufacturers name in it/ |
| 18:39.48 | JoshH | sjansen, exactly |
| 18:40.29 | rsimpkins | I use Linux for my servers, windows for gaming and music production, a linux laptop for work, a windows desktop for work (corp apps), and not a mac in sight. I dislike mac osx quite a bit. |
| 18:40.39 | rsimpkins | puts on flame retartant underwear. |
| 18:41.13 | rsimpkins | Except, I spelled retardant wrong. |
| 18:41.26 | JoshH | i'd like osx more if macports had a lot more stuff |
| 18:41.28 | sjansen | http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-barack-obama-invest-country1.jpg?w=400&h=280 |
| 18:41.45 | WoodsDog | this is an example. I am using gnome in the latest ubuntu. |
| 18:41.51 | WoodsDog | i have a zip file on my desktop. |
| 18:41.58 | WoodsDog | i double click it, and file roller comes up. |
| 18:42.12 | JoshH | digital cameras are easy to deal with on any os, for the most part |
| 18:42.21 | WoodsDog | i hit the extract button, and another window comes up. I hit the extract again to make it go...and nothing happens. |
| 18:42.23 | JoshH | once someone learns how to get their pics, they don't need much help |
| 18:42.37 | WoodsDog | at this point, the command line comes out, and i'm happy to do it on my own. |
| 18:42.57 | WoodsDog | JoshH. I will admit that my family hasn't tried linux. Does yours? |
| 18:43.23 | JoshH | my wife has figured out how to get a few things done on my linux box without much help |
| 18:43.33 | WoodsDog | nice...my wife would freak |
| 18:43.34 | JoshH | she's not too techie, but isn't completely illiterate or anything either |
| 18:43.52 | WoodsDog | my wife has a tough time figuring out stuff in windows though |
| 18:44.14 | JoshH | that's the thign |
| 18:44.25 | JoshH | most people who aren't technical couldn't do anything beyond the basics in any OS on their own |
| 18:44.36 | JoshH | so they might as well use the most stable and secure one |
| 18:45.34 | WoodsDog | that's where you and i disagree. I think it's easier to keep her on windows than have her move to linux. |
| 18:46.06 | sjansen | Wife is the hardest to switch. Can't just force it anyone, and unlike everyone else, can't refuse to provide to support either. |
| 18:46.16 | WoodsDog | yup :) |
| 18:47.04 | WoodsDog | like it or not, the world runs on windows, and there would be compatibility issues if she switched. Her family sends her word docs, ppt presentations (stupid emails, of course) |
| 18:47.09 | WoodsDog | and her work is all windows based. |
| 18:47.16 | WoodsDog | so that would confuse her even more |
| 18:47.23 | JoshH | my wife would be perfectly happy with linux |
| 18:47.42 | JoshH | but she needs photoshop and lightroom |
| 18:47.59 | WoodsDog | leaves out gimp jokes |
| 18:48.01 | JoshH | well, she doesn't NEED them anymore, but wouldn't want to switch to gimp at this point |
| 18:49.22 | JoshH | woodsdog, honestly, the compatibility issue is overblown |
| 18:49.33 | JoshH | i've never had a word doc that didn't look fine in openoffice or abiword |
| 18:49.36 | JoshH | same with presentations |
| 18:51.13 | WoodsDog | oh..and sound. |
| 18:51.19 | WoodsDog | sound would drive her crazy. |
| 18:51.26 | rsimpkins | JoshH: Have you tried to open an office 2008 file with the new custom formatting features yet? |
| 18:51.41 | WoodsDog | sound in linux really stinks... |
| 18:51.53 | JoshH | probably not |
| 18:51.57 | JoshH | most stuff i open is pretty simple |
| 18:52.07 | JoshH | obviously there will be cases where the linux apps won't work right |
| 18:52.34 | rsimpkins | JoshH: Office 2008 gums up the works pretty bad, and I must admit - I like office 2008. Best office suite yet. |
| 18:52.56 | JoshH | i do like microsoft office itself |
| 18:52.59 | rsimpkins | I put down the freakin' $150 to buy a copy. |
| 18:52.59 | JoshH | but it's not worth using windows for |
| 18:53.16 | rsimpkins | Not just that, no. |
| 18:53.27 | JoshH | maybe if my job involved spreadsheets and word processing all day |
| 18:53.40 | JoshH | but in that case, i'd probably kill myself |
| 18:53.58 | JoshH | or at least switch careers |
| 18:54.01 | rsimpkins | The first time I tried to open an excel 2008 file from people at work inside open office, I drove straight to wally world and got me a copy. |
| 18:54.09 | rsimpkins | I was in a fowl mood. :S |
| 18:54.14 | WoodsDog | i hate to say it, but i run windows at home, for the games the multimedia. I have a creative x-fi where the drivers are a lot better than the linux version. I have wanted to switch to linux full time at home, but I just can't. |
| 18:54.49 | JoshH | nothing wrong with that |
| 18:55.00 | JoshH | if i was into media stuff i'd probably use a mac full time |
| 18:55.20 | JoshH | but as a systems/network admin, i can't imagine not having a nix |
| 18:55.37 | JoshH | and for my personal needs, it's my favorite desktop too |
| 18:55.39 | WoodsDog | completely agree...im on linux 9-5 every day..and i love it for my job |
| 18:56.07 | JoshH | i wouldn't want to be a windows programmer either |
| 18:56.14 | JoshH | just preference though |
| 18:58.58 | harleypig | anyone know of a decent deli near enough draper for a lunch run? |
| 18:59.23 | JoshH | i doubt there is a decent one down there |
| 18:59.30 | JoshH | go to caputos in slc |
| 19:00.00 | harleypig | the key element here being "lunch run" ... not "long lunch" :] |
| 19:00.25 | JoshH | draper has a cafe rio though |
| 19:00.46 | harleypig | JoshH: yeah, but it's not a deli |
| 19:01.25 | harleypig | I'm in the mood for a sandwhich that isn't Quizno's, Subway's or Einsteins ... |
| 19:01.34 | JoshH | is there a jimmy john's in draper? |
| 19:01.41 | harleypig | Gandolfo's is ok ... but I'm kind of tired of Gandolfo's too. |
| 19:01.56 | harleypig | *shrug* never heard of it. |
| 19:02.08 | harleypig | googles |
| 19:02.31 | JoshH | i know it's downtown and on fort union in midvale |
| 19:02.37 | JoshH | their sandwiches are awesome |
| 19:02.39 | JoshH | and cheap |
| 19:02.42 | levi | I run Windows at home, too. Haven't tried getting my wife to run Linux. There'd be no point... Windows does what she needs, and it's already there. I put Linux on a computer I built for her dad, but that's because I didn't want to spend extra on a Windows license. I think he's installed Windows on it now, though he kind of liked Linux. |
| 19:02.45 | JoshH | and they deliver very fast |
| 19:03.16 | levi | My wife isn't terribly fond of OS X on the iBook she uses downstairs, but she has never really bothered to try and learn it either. |
| 19:03.18 | harleypig | feh .. I have to register to even access their site ... |
| 19:03.38 | JoshH | you do? |
| 19:03.46 | whiteley | my wife hasn't used Windows in 9 years. She's using Mac now, but used Linux exclusively for about 5 years. |
| 19:03.52 | JoshH | well, looks like there is one in lehi and midvale |
| 19:04.10 | JoshH | and american fark |
| 19:04.11 | whiteley | she used to mock her family when they had Windows problems, and encouraged them to switch to Linux. |
| 19:04.26 | JoshH | that's a good woman |
| 19:05.07 | rsimpkins | Does anyone here use horde/imp? |
| 19:05.36 | levi | Sounds like a couple of corewar warriors. |
| 19:05.41 | harleypig | JoshH: I like data poisoning. :> Looks like there isn't one close enough ... i guess it's gandolfos |
| 19:06.08 | JoshH | i like the whitestone bridge there |
| 19:06.11 | JoshH | and the godfather |
| 19:23.02 | rsimpkins | Wow, horde/imp still does not have a message highlighting feature. |
| 19:23.18 | rsimpkins | Why oh why would you not use and love message highlighting. |
| 19:25.31 | rsimpkins | Or automatic formatting, or whatever your client calls it. |
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| 20:39.41 | bonez46 | elg: I have asked before.. but where would you find help in making really good authentically german.. rye bread? ideas? |
| 20:39.50 | elg | samartha.net |
| 20:40.02 | bonez46 | ok.. |
| 20:40.11 | elg | specifically, http://samartha.net/SD/index.html |
| 20:40.15 | brac | [Bread and Sourdough Main Page] |
| 20:40.43 | elg | i haven't tried it, not having any particular interest in german rye bread |
| 20:41.21 | elg | call me uncivilized or naive if you like. :) I haven't ever had any that I know of |
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| 20:51.13 | harleypig | doesn't elg stand for elg likes german? |
| 20:51.17 | harleypig | ducks |
| 20:55.55 | sjansen | Nope. elg like gummy (bears). |
| 20:55.57 | elg | elg likes girls |
| 20:56.04 | elg | and grapes |
| 20:56.42 | zzzirk | elg looks goofy? |
| 20:56.53 | elg | always |
| 20:57.59 | elg | so what's the deal with extended stay places? |
| 20:58.09 | harleypig | http://mosnews.com/weird/2009/07/07/strongvagina/ |
| 20:58.10 | levi | So, I'm designing a circuit to hook up my head unit (with no line-out or aux-in) and two aux sources into a pair of amplifiers. |
| 20:58.35 | levi | elg: What about them? |
| 20:58.47 | elg | they seem to be nicer and yet cheaper. what's the catch? |
| 20:58.55 | levi | elg: I've lived in extended stay places for a while. |
| 20:59.10 | jsmith | elg: They're usually not taken care of as well... and they only change your linens once a week |
| 20:59.27 | jsmith | elg: And the hallways usually smell like armpits... |
| 20:59.47 | elg | mmm, armpits |
| 20:59.50 | jsmith | elg: But if you can get past those minor things, they're usually a decent alternative to expensive per-night places |
| 20:59.55 | levi | The ones I stayed at were like renting a condo, not like staying in a hotel for a long time. |
| 21:00.08 | levi | But they were probably not the same ones you're looking at. |
| 21:00.18 | elg | well the linens doesn't bother me. we change ours less than once a week |
| 21:00.28 | elg | i'm looking at anything near palo alto |
| 21:00.34 | elg | for a week possibly 2 or 3 |
| 21:00.37 | elg | but hopefully only a week or less |
| 21:01.04 | levi | Several times my family stayed in various places like that when we moved and were looking for a house. |
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| 21:01.47 | levi | My parents recently put up a woman who was looking for a house in their home for a couple of weeks. |
| 21:02.29 | levi | Might be harder to find people who would want a family with young kids disrupting their lives, though. ;) |
| 21:02.42 | elg | yeah, except for family we're past the bumming threshold ;) |
| 21:03.00 | harleypig | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8g5wb/a_privilege_escalation_flaw_in_udev/?sort=controversial |
| 21:03.03 | harleypig | feh |
| 21:03.05 | harleypig | http://www.examiner.com/x-8310-Trendy-Living-Examiner~y2009m7d7-Worlds-strongest-vagina-discovered |
| 21:03.27 | levi | You keep posting links like that. Why would I follow them? |
| 21:03.53 | harleypig | It's sfw! |
| 21:04.17 | levi | Sure, but it doesn't really sound like something I'd want to know more about, you know? |
| 21:04.35 | harleypig | why not? |
| 21:04.36 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.17 | elg | harleypig: you've been exposed. now we all know that you also look at websites about linux security |
| 21:05.41 | harleypig | no I don't!!! ummm ... that was ... umm .. someone else |
| 21:05.46 | harleypig | yeah, that's the ticket |
| 21:05.59 | elg | hurry and clear your history |
| 21:06.09 | goozbach | harleypig: next you're gonna tell us it's for "research" |
| 21:06.24 | goozbach | stating that most porn sites you visit are hosted on Linux or something |
| 21:06.32 | harleypig | no, no ... I just look at the pictures |
| 21:06.41 | elg | suuure |
| 21:07.50 | sjansen | elg: I could rearrange stuff in my outdoor storage closet. As long as you don't let the apartment management catch you living in it, you're welcome to stay there. |
| 21:08.13 | levi | sjansen: Are you near Palo Alto now? |
| 21:08.15 | elg | you have an outdoor storage closet in silicon valley? |
| 21:08.35 | sjansen | Nope. But if you're willing to commute from Bountiful... |
| 21:08.53 | elg | you're so kind |
| 21:09.03 | jsmith | sjansen: I know several people that commute (or have commuted) from SLC to San Jose |
| 21:09.15 | jsmith | sjansen: It was cheaper to fly than to live there |
| 21:10.59 | elg | there's a guy in our ward that commutes to somewhere in cali |
| 21:11.08 | elg | flies back on the weekends |
| 21:11.25 | elg | but i think it's mostly so he doesn't raise his family in corrupt ca |
| 21:11.29 | elg | or something silly like that |
| 21:11.36 | goozbach | I essentially commuted from Magna for 2 years |
| 21:11.38 | elg | but cost may be a factor |
| 21:12.21 | sjansen | elg: Have you contacted Sco++? Perhaps he has an outdoor storage closet you can crash in. |
| 21:12.31 | sjansen | goozbach: Magna? Essentially? |
| 21:12.56 | goozbach | sounded better in my head |
| 21:13.08 | goozbach | I meant to say I commuted by plane from Magna ut for 2 years |
| 21:13.16 | goozbach | to various parts of the country |
| 21:14.02 | sjansen | Doing what? |
| 21:14.15 | sjansen | Oh, wait... |
| 21:16.29 | goozbach | being a guru |
| 21:17.26 | sjansen | Yeah. For some reason I read Magna and thought Hurricane. |
| 21:18.33 | JoshH | elg: if his excuse is that he doesn't want to raise his family in corrupt ca, what it really means is he has a mistress in ca that he wants to hide from his wife |
| 21:19.44 | elg | that's one way to look at it. but although southern nm is different from utah, in enough ways it's the same (esp. among members of the church) that I don't have any reason to doubt his reasons |
| 21:19.56 | elg | plus he might hate ca traffic |
| 21:19.59 | elg | who knows |
| 21:20.07 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.41 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.45 | JoshH | heh |
| 21:20.54 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.03 | sjansen | But I'll deny it if anyone ever asks. |
| 21:21.04 | elg | very profound sjansen |
| 21:21.05 | JoshH | i was just in LA over the weekend, and traffic is definitely a good reason not to live there |
| 21:21.15 | JoshH | never been to northern cal though |
| 21:21.19 | JoshH | probably not nearly as bad |
| 21:22.06 | sjansen | If I had to live in CA, I'd probably choose Sacramento. But SF is nice to visit. |
| 21:22.19 | sjansen | LA... I'm not a fan of LA. |
| 21:22.23 | JoshH | i could live in LA, if i made enough money to live somewhere nice |
| 21:22.28 | JoshH | i like lots of things about it |
| 21:22.40 | JoshH | santa monica/venice are awesome |
| 21:22.40 | elg | i'd live in the LA area if I could live on the beach |
| 21:22.43 | elg | and work near the beach |
| 21:22.46 | elg | if I had to work at all |
| 21:22.53 | elg | as long as you don't go inland it's quite nice :) |
| 21:22.55 | sjansen | And Mountain View is a really cute little town. |
| 21:23.00 | JoshH | i wouldn't want to get an IOU instead of a tax refund though |
| 21:23.28 | sjansen | I wouldn't want to get an IOU instead of a paycheck. |
| 21:23.41 | JoshH | that too |
| 21:23.55 | sjansen | Especially with a lot of banks refusing to accept them. |
| 21:24.05 | JoshH | also, the smog is pretty bad, as are the wildfires |
| 21:24.19 | JoshH | i really do love the beaches though |
| 21:24.41 | elg | being on the beach mostly mitigates the smog |
| 21:24.47 | JoshH | and the bevmo stores are just awesome |
| 21:25.41 | JoshH | my step-grandma lives in valencia, that area is quite nice |
| 21:25.52 | levi | I don't think LA smog is much worse than Salt Lake Valley smog these days. |
| 21:26.05 | levi | The CARB regulations made a big difference in air quality. |
| 21:26.07 | JoshH | it's not as bad as our winter inversion at it's worst |
| 21:26.13 | elg | and certainly not worse than utah valley was when geneva was going |
| 21:26.24 | JoshH | but last weekend, from the griffith observatory, i could barely see downtown through the gray air |
| 21:26.37 | JoshH | it's more clear there during the fall though |
| 21:27.28 | JoshH | but the traffic is worse than the air, as far as reasons not to live there |
| 21:28.14 | elg | ya |
| 21:28.31 | JoshH | and it's not even just in the city itself |
| 21:28.46 | JoshH | i-15 all the way from vegas has more traffic than a city street in slc |
| 21:29.01 | elg | bay area has a little better public transit than la, but it still sucks unless you're going to/from downtown |
| 21:29.07 | JoshH | and the traffic jam heading towards ca from vegas when i was driving home looked nightmarish |
| 21:29.24 | JoshH | there's just way too many cars |
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| 21:59.40 | bonez46 | any virtual box users here? I ask only because the #vbox room is rather lifeless.. |
| 22:01.22 | sjansen | *sigh* It's always sad discovering a vital language feature isn't supported in you enterprise Linux release. |
| 22:02.14 | sjansen | Nobody uses VirtualBox anymore. All the cool kids are using Fedora + virt-manager + KVM. |
| 22:02.49 | sjansen | In fact, I heard a rumor that VirtualBox got so lonely it started working at McDonald's just for the company. |
| 22:18.19 | jshipley | sjansen: I heard that VirtualBox was pretty geeky, and managed to snag a job at Oracle. |
| 22:46.56 | sjansen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window |
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| 23:04.35 | ccjoe | Is the presentation material from the PLUG KVM meeting online somewhere? |
| 23:14.34 | bonez46 | sjansen: in all seriousness.. Ok, I have 3 or 4 apps that must run in windows xp.. or newer.. if not virtual box, then what about that other combination? |
| 23:14.44 | bonez46 | do you run apps using that virt manager and kvm? |
| 23:36.13 | harleypig | I'm trying to get the following command to work and it's hanging ... can anyone give me some pointers as to why? |
| 23:36.36 | harleypig | cat /home/harleypig/.ssh/harleypig_key.dsa.pub | ssh X.Y.Z.A -P 24021 "umask 077 ; test -d .ssh || mkdir .ssh ; cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
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