| 01:24.17 | rsimpkins | I just got zfs-fuse working. I wish people would understand how cool this is. |
| 01:24.22 | rsimpkins | Maybe I should do a plug presentation. |
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| 08:58.12 | Supaplex | Sargun: booyah |
| 08:58.19 | Sargun | hi Supaplex |
| 08:58.23 | Sargun | I got two ex4200s in the mail |
| 08:58.30 | Sargun | I'm waiting for two more |
| 08:58.31 | Supaplex | kewwwwwll :) |
| 08:58.33 | Sargun | and two ex3200s |
| 08:58.58 | Sargun | the ex3200s are on backorder |
| 09:03.38 | Supaplex | http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=758 |
| 09:03.41 | brac | [Questionable Content: New comics every Monday through Friday] |
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| 15:40.13 | sjansen | http://www.erlang-factory.com/conference/London2009/speakers/SimonPeytonJones <-- Best compiler bug ever. |
| 15:40.15 | brac | [Erlang Factory - Simon Peyton-Jones, Researcher at Microsoft Research, Cambridge] |
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| 15:41.44 | sjansen | If tried to compile with an earlier version of the Haskell compiler and you code contained a typo, the compiler would report the type then then delete the source file. |
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| 15:53.17 | maquis | sjansen: ouch |
| 15:56.20 | maquis | sjansen: is that adding injury to insult there? |
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| 15:56.55 | elg | chuckles at apple. did they seriously think they could play china with the iPhone? |
| 16:03.49 | sjansen | ~injure maquis |
| 16:03.51 | sjansen | ~insult maquis |
| 16:04.21 | sjansen | Oh my... |
| 16:04.34 | elg | who knew? |
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| 16:13.41 | maquis | curls up in a corner and cries |
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| 16:30.57 | Sargun | maquis? |
| 16:37.22 | TehLaser | Sargun: <ibot> maquis is nothing but a penguin-molesting pile of boil-brained rat retch |
| 16:45.55 | maquis | Sargun: ? |
| 16:46.01 | maquis | Sargun: oh... |
| 16:46.03 | maquis | you missed it |
| 16:46.19 | maquis | ibot insulted me... |
| 16:52.37 | sjansen | maquis: What do you have against penguins? |
| 17:02.58 | ^Migs^ | haha, some of the answers on here are hilarious: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistahardware/thread/720108ee-0a9c-4090-b62d-bbd5cb1a7605 |
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| 17:44.53 | bonez46 | jalbretsen: I knew an 'Albretsen' here in town, in Salt Lake.. a CPA iirc |
| 17:45.26 | jalbretsen | there are a few of us around |
| 17:45.43 | unum | I didn't realize camp williams was in utah valley |
| 17:46.05 | jalbretsen | don't know one that is a CPA though |
| 17:46.26 | jalbretsen | I know one that is RHCE. And another that has a bunch of certs to fix cars... |
| 17:47.25 | rsimpkins | I love how this executes without so much as a warning: zpool destroy importantvolume |
| 17:48.11 | sjansen | didn't know Omniture was using Solaris |
| 17:48.34 | rsimpkins | What, something sjansen doesn't know!?? |
| 17:48.39 | rsimpkins | rings fire alarm. |
| 17:48.56 | rsimpkins | :-) We are looking at it. |
| 17:49.19 | rsimpkins | Omniture used to use solaris isntead of Linux. |
| 18:13.18 | TehLaser | ^Migs^: well, technically information (in an information-theoretic sense) can be considered a sort of energy, which might--through matter/energy equivalancy--be said to have mass. |
| 18:13.35 | TehLaser | Good luck measuring it though. |
| 18:16.44 | goozbach | but what about the people we claim have very little information in their heads? |
| 18:16.52 | goozbach | why do we call them "DENSE"? |
| 18:18.47 | sjansen | Because they have so much of something else already in their head, information can not penetrate. |
| 18:19.50 | stderr | they're not porous. |
| 18:25.34 | sjansen | Well... porous could imply an inability to retain information. |
| 18:25.49 | sjansen | Better to describe the opposite of dense as absorbent. |
| 18:27.28 | harleypig | http://www.catonmat.net/blog/low-level-bit-hacks-you-absolutely-must-know/ |
| 18:28.15 | sjansen | "Man, that goozbach sure is absorbent." "Like a Viva paper towel, man." |
| 18:35.34 | Sargun | hahaha |
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| 18:55.42 | rsimpkins | rsync hardlinking != snapshots. |
| 18:56.08 | rsimpkins | I'm desperate for a decent performing 'modern' file system for Linux. |
| 19:01.04 | tensai | what don't you like about the current crop? |
| 19:03.49 | sjansen | btrfs isn't considered stable |
| 19:03.58 | sjansen | everything else isn't as cool as zfs |
| 19:04.16 | rsimpkins | zfs is amazing. I like the idea of taking the solaris kernel, and putting the GNU tools on it. |
| 19:04.33 | tensai | I'd love to give those two a try |
| 19:04.35 | rsimpkins | ZFS has it's quirks though. |
| 19:05.00 | sjansen | Based on my exposure to it, I wouldn't call the Solaris kernel amazing. |
| 19:05.01 | rsimpkins | tensai: Nexenta does it. |
| 19:05.24 | rsimpkins | sjansen: It is all about these blasted licences we created. |
| 19:05.32 | sjansen | Does Nexenta use apt? |
| 19:05.36 | rsimpkins | sjansen: This guy can't share with this other guy. Open is no longer really open. |
| 19:06.00 | sjansen | 'Cause the Open Solaris package manage sucks. Horribly. |
| 19:06.27 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I believe it does use apt, yes. |
| 19:06.59 | rsimpkins | My main beef with solaris, that makes it nearly impossible to use, is hardware support (or lack thereof). |
| 19:07.05 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Whatever. That's mostly just a Solaris problem. Stick with a decent kernel and and you won't have a problem. |
| 19:07.08 | rsimpkins | I can't run slowlaris on anything I own. |
| 19:07.54 | rsimpkins | sjansen: What even comes close to competing with ZFS in the open source filesystem space? Do you know of any alternatives? |
| 19:08.09 | sjansen | None that are considered production worthy yet, no. |
| 19:09.04 | sjansen | But that's like saying "do you know of anything that even comes close to Orcle in the open source database space"? |
| 19:09.25 | sjansen | Most people don't need Oracle, they need Postgresql (or, heaven forbid, MySQL). |
| 19:09.44 | jalbretsen | Friends don't let friends use MySQL? |
| 19:10.12 | rsimpkins | I hardly thinkg ZFS can be compred to oracle. ;) |
| 19:10.36 | rsimpkins | Compared to commercial filesystems available, zfs is still a lightweight. |
| 19:11.43 | rsimpkins | I'm hoping that out of know where Sun will convert all their CDDL licenced stuff to GPL, right before the sale to Oracle is finalized. |
| 19:12.01 | sjansen | Scary big code base? Check. Lots of features most people don't need? Check. Tries to do more than it probably should? Check. Free (beer) version? Check. Expensive commercial support? Okay, few are as obscene as Oracle, but now that Sun owns them... |
| 19:13.05 | rsimpkins | sjansen: There is only one solid solution we need. Snapshots. The rocksolid COW kind that don't require extra partition space and whacky set up. |
| 19:13.46 | rsimpkins | of course, decent quotas that don't get corrupt when you look at them funny would be a nice bonus. |
| 19:14.22 | fungus | don't forget the simple/beautiful volume provisioning |
| 19:14.39 | sjansen | If snapshots are so important to you, keep an eye on NILFS. It hasn't been getting as much press as btrfs, but looks to be pretty sweet once its ready. |
| 19:14.43 | fungus | and self-healing filesystems |
| 19:14.54 | rsimpkins | That's nice, but I'd be glad to jump through hoops for snapshots that you can actually use for something besdies just freezing a fs for backups. |
| 19:15.23 | rsimpkins | fungus: Shhh. Don't let my bits know then can get corrupt just sitting there. They might try it. |
| 19:15.27 | fungus | hehe |
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| 19:17.10 | fungus | I personally put up with the abusive solaris so I can get sweet love of zfs |
| 19:17.17 | rsimpkins | Haha, I realized I said "out of know where." That's sweet. |
| 19:17.43 | rsimpkins | fungus: Let me know if you ever try nexenta |
| 19:18.11 | fungus | Probably not, I got Sun hardware + fancy support contract |
| 19:19.36 | rsimpkins | Ahh. |
| 19:20.45 | fungus | cool, nexenta looks just like Sun's new foray into unified storage. |
| 19:20.52 | fungus | I don't know which came first though. |
| 19:26.31 | sjansen | ~punish Ubuntu for its stupid release names |
| 19:26.32 | ibot | ACTION resizes Ubuntu's tty to 40x24 for its stupid release names |
| 19:33.49 | maquis | sjansen: is there a new release name? |
| 19:33.59 | maquis | i think as long as they stay alphabetical, i can keep them straight... |
| 19:34.36 | sjansen | No. Ubuntu's stupid insistence on using names instead of numbers resulted in my configuring the wrong PPA. |
| 19:34.57 | sjansen | Okay, what's the name of the most recent LTS release? And the one before that? |
| 19:35.27 | maquis | sjansen: oh... |
| 19:35.41 | maquis | ~LTS |
| 19:35.42 | ibot | i heard lts is Leaning Toothpick Syndrome. |
| 19:35.42 | sjansen | I will never understand why, when they have such awesome version numbers, Ubuntu insists on using its stupid release names for everything. |
| 19:36.10 | maquis | sjansen: i'm assuming you're referring to something else with "LTS"? |
| 19:36.18 | sjansen | Long Term Support |
| 19:36.30 | sjansen | You know, if you wanted to use Ubuntu for anything other than dinking around on your laptop? |
| 19:36.38 | maquis | oh... |
| 19:36.44 | maquis | i don't use ubuntu |
| 19:36.55 | sjansen | So what's the most recent version of Ubuntu? |
| 19:37.02 | maquis | although, i think the most recent normal releases would be intrepid ibitz |
| 19:37.05 | sjansen | Without googling. |
| 19:37.07 | maquis | and the one before that was hardy heron? |
| 19:37.26 | maquis | might have spelling wrong on ibitz |
| 19:37.28 | tensai | maquis: ibez |
| 19:37.32 | sjansen | Actually the most recent is either Jaunty or Karmic, depending on how you measure things. |
| 19:37.33 | maquis | tensai: thanks |
| 19:37.34 | maquis | :) |
| 19:37.40 | maquis | oh... |
| 19:37.47 | maquis | right... jaunty.. forgot about that |
| 19:37.52 | maquis | what's karmic? kanagroo? |
| 19:37.57 | sjansen | What's the most recent version of Fedora? |
| 19:38.11 | maquis | uh... FC 8? |
| 19:38.25 | sjansen | Now you're doing it on purpose. |
| 19:38.32 | maquis | sjansen: no... i'm not |
| 19:38.34 | maquis | i run debian |
| 19:38.35 | tensai | sjansen: she's consistent anyway |
| 19:38.45 | maquis | i just need to know stable/unstable/testing |
| 19:39.12 | tensai | maquis: ah, there's the problem. hint: some distros release more than once every 5 years. |
| 19:39.14 | sjansen | Anyway, Ubuntu's release names are annoying and stupid. |
| 19:39.32 | maquis | tensai: i used to run gentoo... that one was even easier |
| 19:39.33 | maquis | :) |
| 19:39.58 | sjansen | "I'm running Gentoo." "Oh, which version?" "Broken." |
| 19:40.24 | maquis | sjansen: you mean other people run "broken" on their systems? i thought that was just me... |
| 19:40.40 | maquis | granted, i seem to manage to run "broken" regardless of the distro |
| 19:42.28 | jalbretsen | I don't even pay attention to the names of Ubuntu |
| 19:42.36 | jalbretsen | 9.04... |
| 19:42.43 | jalbretsen | 6.06 and 8.10 are the LTS |
| 19:43.08 | jalbretsen | I don't care about the names of Ubuntu. Or Fedora. Couldn't tell you either |
| 19:43.38 | jalbretsen | name of release does not equate to if the release works. Except for Gentoo Broken |
| 19:44.26 | sjansen | Actually, 6.06 and 8.04 are LTS. |
| 19:47.00 | jalbretsen | oh, you're right. A voice in me is saying LTS was supposed to be 8.04 and they moved it to 8.10. Maybe it was supposed to be 7.10 and they moved it to 8.04. Or maybe it's the crack I'm smoking |
| 19:51.16 | jalbretsen | meh, can't find history on it. Must be the crack |
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| 20:33.04 | tensai | anybody else not able to load wikipedia? |
| 20:36.06 | tensai | it finally loaded but it's really slow |
| 20:47.49 | sjansen | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/drew_court/ |
| 20:47.53 | sjansen | Finally, some sanity. |
| 20:51.37 | tensai | ah, apparently there's an EU wikipedia problem and traffic has been rerouted to the US, causing those servers to slow down |
| 20:55.59 | RyanE | tensai: did you look that up on Wikipedia? :) |
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