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| 16:17.07 | elg | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529709,00.html?test=latestnews |
| 16:17.11 | elg | why you should use ruby |
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| 16:17.32 | Lars-UT | ~pimpslap ibot |
| 16:17.33 | ibot | lars-ut pimpslaps ibot. ouch! |
| 16:18.08 | elg | -chat |
| 16:18.08 | brac | Anyone over double my rate for Windows 7, Or KDE 4? ;; WISPS Mean Cable and satellite together. |
| 16:18.14 | Lars-UT | maquis: Skullcandy? Really? Show your ears some love! |
| 16:22.21 | eightyeight | elg: well, children shouldn't be playing with pythons as much as they shouldn't play with choking hazards, such as rubies |
| 16:22.25 | Sargun | Lars-UT, Skull Candy headphones are gross. |
| 16:22.42 | elg | eightyeight: maybe your rubies are choking hazards. mine are too big |
| 16:22.55 | Sargun | eightyeight, finding a tame python is a pretty easy task |
| 16:23.29 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:23.37 | elg | Sargun: you're in the bay area right? what's the best ISP(s)? |
| 16:23.50 | Sargun | elg, for what |
| 16:23.54 | elg | home |
| 16:24.22 | Sargun | Order by priority: Speed, Cost, Reliability, Service (Greatest to least) |
| 16:24.44 | elg | preferably linux/server friendly but I'm not going to be running anything vital |
| 16:25.30 | elg | reliability (at the level of I'm not going to be offline more than a few minutes or an hour tops), cost, service (as in not idiots, but I don't need to interact with service much), speed |
| 16:26.13 | elg | just bare-bones geek-friendly ISP |
| 16:26.21 | Sargun | Sonic.net |
| 16:26.38 | JoshH | yep, sonic.net |
| 16:27.03 | Sargun | They're by far the most reliable, their service is OK at best, their speed sucks because they don't challenge T |
| 16:27.12 | Sargun | and they're cheap. |
| 16:27.25 | Sargun | if speed mattered more, I would say dslextreme |
| 16:27.25 | elg | challenge T? |
| 16:27.29 | Sargun | T = AT&T |
| 16:28.18 | Sargun | T carries Sonic.net's ATM, so T decides the quality of the local loop. |
| 16:28.33 | Sargun | Anyways, if cost didn't matter, I would say speakeasy |
| 16:28.45 | Sargun | and if reliability doesn't matter, comcraptic. |
| 16:29.12 | Sargun | elg, Are you moving to the bay area? |
| 16:29.13 | elg | comcast hasn't been too bad here, but I can imagine lots of reasons it would be worse there |
| 16:29.16 | elg | yup |
| 16:29.40 | Sargun | Cool. Where? |
| 16:29.42 | JoshH | comcast is bad everywhere, if you care about having servers at home |
| 16:29.43 | maquis | anyone know of some ISPs that wouldn't have a problem with giving me reverse DNS so i can get a mail server that doesn't get blocked by lots of places? |
| 16:29.45 | JoshH | if you don't, they are fine |
| 16:29.54 | elg | cost isn't too important, but neither are speed and service as long as it's sufficient |
| 16:30.10 | Sargun | JoshH, I know a lot of people who get comcast business loops, they seem to work |
| 16:30.13 | elg | maquis: xmission :) |
| 16:30.18 | maquis | JoshH: i haven't had too many problems with having a web server on comcast, but i'm looking to see whether someone else would be better |
| 16:30.22 | maquis | elg: not available for us :P |
| 16:30.24 | goozbach | elg: I love speakeasy |
| 16:30.28 | goozbach | very geek friendly |
| 16:30.31 | goozbach | but not cheap |
| 16:30.32 | JoshH | in seattle? try hemp.net |
| 16:30.40 | maquis | JoshH: interesting... never heard of them |
| 16:31.15 | JoshH | speakeasy does that as well, iirc |
| 16:31.30 | Sargun | Speakeasy is based out of Seattle, aren't they? |
| 16:31.36 | JoshH | ya |
| 16:32.23 | elg | so sonic.net says they have up to 18mbps (way more than I need), are you saying AT&T screws that up in practice? |
| 16:32.27 | goozbach | I have a 6meg speakeasy account |
| 16:32.42 | Sargun | elg, They really don't have 18mbps |
| 16:32.43 | goozbach | on an AT&T line |
| 16:32.46 | goozbach | naked dsl |
| 16:32.53 | goozbach | really zippy |
| 16:32.54 | Sargun | that's a joke. |
| 16:33.01 | Sargun | elg, Oh, and if cost really isn't a problem, get your own frame relay |
| 16:33.26 | Sargun | or fiber |
| 16:33.27 | JoshH | sonic.net is like the xmission of the bay area, but they have their own dslam's and stuff, and support adsl2 |
| 16:33.29 | Sargun | or something insane like that. |
| 16:33.41 | Sargun | JoshH, only recently did Sonic.net become a CLEC |
| 16:33.51 | elg | heh |
| 16:33.53 | Sargun | and their coverage of the bay area, is uh, weak. |
| 16:34.07 | elg | btw i'll probably be in the south bay area |
| 16:34.22 | JoshH | xmission's offsite dns server is colocated at sonic.net |
| 16:34.36 | Sargun | JoshH, I think Dane and the Xmission guy are friends |
| 16:35.28 | JoshH | the old xm network admin was friends with a sonic admin through nanog, and they set it up |
| 16:35.49 | JoshH | sonic has a server at xmission as well |
| 16:37.43 | Lars-UT | is looking for some side jobs in Windows end user hell - specifically XP malware cleanup, XP rebuilds, and hardware upgrades - I'm not cheap, but I've got Windoze skills - and some latent Linux knowledge. |
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| 16:38.25 | JoshH | i wouldn't do that kind of work for any price, unless it was obscenely high |
| 16:38.28 | JoshH | i value my mental health |
| 16:38.33 | Jayce^ | ~mock Lars-UT 's job skills |
| 16:38.34 | ibot | ACTION pulls Lars-UT 's job skills's pants down and shows the world Lars-UT 's job skills's pink spotted underwear |
| 16:38.38 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:38.55 | JoshH | if i just had to reinstall windows to fix all the problems, that would be fine though, as long as the pay was still incredible |
| 16:39.07 | Lars-UT | ~mock Jayce^ 's new mode of transportation |
| 16:39.08 | ibot | ACTION pulls Jayce^ 's new mode of transportation's pants down and shows the world Jayce^ 's new mode of transportation's pink spotted underwear |
| 16:39.20 | Jayce^ | :-D |
| 16:39.21 | elg | Jayce^ got a little scooter? |
| 16:39.27 | Lars-UT | nope... |
| 16:39.29 | Jayce^ | no, |
| 16:39.46 | Jayce^ | I do have an old bike that I ride a lot in the summer... but that's not what he's referring to |
| 16:39.56 | goozbach | might as well be an old scooter.... |
| 16:40.10 | goozbach | but I guess at least it's not a Ford |
| 16:40.13 | Jayce^ | hey, it's a 750... |
| 16:40.22 | Jayce^ | ah, yeah you've seen the new one then :) |
| 16:40.52 | Lars-UT | I've only heard of the legend... |
| 16:41.09 | goozbach | anyone have ideas on how to increase the speed of removing a large (500GB or so) directory? |
| 16:41.10 | Jayce^ | gotta get some good pics.. instead of just the quick phone ones from yesterday |
| 16:41.22 | goozbach | rm -rf takes approx 5-7 minutes |
| 16:41.26 | Jayce^ | goozbach: use a different filesystem :) |
| 16:41.30 | goozbach | and it is slowing down my deploy |
| 16:41.42 | goozbach | Jayce^: ext3 is slow in the removal |
| 16:41.46 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 16:41.50 | goozbach | which one would you suggest? |
| 16:41.50 | Jayce^ | slow in a lot of things |
| 16:42.01 | elg | goozbach: use a different filesystem? |
| 16:42.02 | Jayce^ | <3 xfs |
| 16:42.17 | goozbach | I should try it with XFS |
| 16:42.30 | elg | ~heart xfs |
| 16:42.31 | ibot | I ⤠xfs |
| 16:42.49 | Jayce^ | google around, there are some good pages with benchmarks between the filesystems on stuff like that |
| 16:42.54 | goozbach | problem stems from the fact I'd have to re-build a server to shrink the main FS to make room for xfs |
| 16:43.20 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT: you doing lunch today? mike is trying to talk me into picking him up so he can se the toy |
| 16:43.55 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: thinking about it... |
| 16:44.24 | goozbach | us.archive.ubuntu.com is *WAY* slow today |
| 16:44.39 | goozbach | I'm sad I had to nuke my local debian/ubuntu mirror |
| 16:45.10 | goozbach | good grief 20+ minutes to install conTeX |
| 16:45.37 | Sargun | goozbach, from orbit/ |
| 16:45.46 | Sargun | elg, who are you planning on working for |
| 16:46.02 | elg | facebook |
| 16:46.10 | Sargun | meh |
| 16:46.12 | Sargun | as? |
| 16:46.13 | Jayce^ | has already started clearing his 'private' info before elg gets there |
| 16:46.22 | elg | :-D |
| 16:46.29 | Sargun | hahah |
| 16:46.31 | elg | software engineer |
| 16:49.04 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: Let's go a little bit before noon. |
| 16:49.29 | Jayce^ | yeah, you guys walking, or expecting me to pick your lazy butts up? |
| 16:50.55 | Lars-UT | I'd prefer to walk. |
| 16:51.30 | Lars-UT | I think Mike wants to ride in the new hotness, though. |
| 16:52.58 | Jayce^ | 'tis hot, for sure |
| 16:54.32 | elg | -metar kpvu |
| 16:54.33 | brac | KPVU 011550Z 00000KT 15SM BKN120 24/11 A3006 |
| 16:54.41 | elg | that's not hot, wusses |
| 16:54.55 | elg | oh, his car ;-) |
| 16:55.03 | goozbach | black paint |
| 16:55.11 | goozbach | does it have tinted windows? |
| 16:56.15 | goozbach | 33 adults and 11 kids for our 4th of July party have RSVP'ed |
| 16:56.18 | goozbach | oh boy |
| 16:56.24 | goozbach | this is gonna be "FUN" |
| 16:56.25 | elg | w00t |
| 16:56.38 | goozbach | last year we had approx 20 |
| 16:56.48 | Sargun | elg, I hope you're a flaming liberal. |
| 16:57.20 | elg | why do you hope that? |
| 16:57.35 | elg | what if i'm a smoldering moderate? |
| 16:58.01 | Jayce^ | elg: would that be called a 'smudge' then? or an 'ember' ? |
| 16:58.23 | elg | are you calling me charcoal? |
| 16:58.37 | Jayce^ | smoke? |
| 16:58.43 | Jayce^ | ash? |
| 16:58.46 | jsmith | elg: I thought you had agreed to join my "radical moderates" party?!? |
| 16:59.26 | elg | is there ice cream? I always join parties with ice cream |
| 16:59.29 | elg | like goozbach's |
| 17:00.05 | jsmith | Sure... |
| 17:00.13 | jsmith | We have free ice cream at our conventions |
| 17:01.39 | goozbach | elg: I was gonna make ice cream |
| 17:01.56 | goozbach | but there are too many people bringing desserts, it would be too much |
| 17:02.01 | jsmith | goozbach: I made some really good sorbet a couple of weeks ago... does that count? |
| 17:02.19 | goozbach | yeup |
| 17:02.45 | Sargun | goozbach, you can't ever have too much dessert |
| 17:02.48 | jsmith | Watermelon sorbet, even :-) |
| 17:02.51 | goozbach | I watched Alton Brown's ice cream episode yesterday to get all geared up to make it and then the wife said we didn't need it |
| 17:03.14 | elg | nonsense |
| 17:03.17 | elg | you always need ice cream |
| 17:03.20 | Jayce^ | agreed |
| 17:03.23 | Sargun | _always_ |
| 17:03.24 | elg | just make some and keep it to yourself |
| 17:03.28 | elg | your own private stash |
| 17:03.52 | goozbach | lunchtime for goozbach |
| 17:04.04 | Jayce^ | bah, gmail killed off right side-labels :( |
| 17:04.57 | Jayce^ | and before rolling out the new drag-drop/more features for labels to me |
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| 17:06.20 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: We'll start walking to the Novell cafeteria at 11:30am |
| 17:07.36 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: should be there by 11:40 |
| 17:08.08 | Jayce^ | slow slow slow :) |
| 17:14.14 | Lars-UT | wouldn't want to leave you all by yourself in that big scary place |
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| 17:29.49 | _crush | so uh...how about the Buzz, or Bezz, or whatever they call that baseball team? |
| 17:30.02 | unum | I think it's the bees this year |
| 17:33.24 | _crush | Yeah, how 'bout them?... |
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| 17:35.44 | unum | _crush: they play games :) |
| 17:39.39 | goozbach | baseball games |
| 17:42.44 | _crush | It all makes sense now... |
| 17:45.29 | tensai | maquis: buy a circuit from me and I'll set up reverse dns for you |
| 17:46.53 | JoshH | tensai: do you let residential customers manage their reverse dns? |
| 17:49.53 | tensai | JoshH: we don't have any self-management actually. but if somebody asks, we'll update it for them. |
| 17:50.24 | tensai | I would *like* to have self-management |
| 17:51.31 | tensai | and if we did we probably wouldn't offer it to our residential customers, but again if they asked |
| 17:53.53 | maquis | tensai: you guys support seattle? |
| 17:54.05 | maquis | and how much? |
| 17:57.42 | levi | elg: Oh no, Von is going to write more about economics. :/ |
| 17:57.57 | elg | must be summer |
| 17:58.30 | elg | he'll have a new baby in a month or so |
| 17:58.59 | tensai | maquis: sorry, no seattle. I could get you a circuit in cody wyoming. is that close enough? |
| 17:59.08 | JoshH | heh |
| 18:05.42 | levi | In case anyone is counting, we're currently experiencing *deflation*, not hyperinflation. And the inflation rate is still decreasing. |
| 18:06.17 | levi | I won't pretend to know if we're going to experience hyperinflation in the future, though. |
| 18:10.30 | _crush | deflation...I assume of the economy? |
| 18:10.35 | levi | Yes. |
| 18:11.27 | _crush | Ah. Can someone let the gasoline companies know so they can bring the price back down below $2? |
| 18:11.44 | levi | The inflation rate for May 2009 (calculated the way the government does it) was -1.28% |
| 18:11.58 | levi | Well, it's summertime. Gas goes up in the summer anyway. :/ |
| 18:12.51 | maquis | wonders if someone can let the food companies know that too |
| 18:13.09 | maquis | tensai: need seattle |
| 18:14.28 | _crush | levi: it seems like it goes up for summer and winter holidays at a fast rate due to "demand", but from what I hear on the news people drive less. So I never got why they still inflate the prices |
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| 18:15.54 | JoshH | just because they can |
| 18:17.01 | maquis | gas companies will raise prices as high as they want until we get really good reliable alternative forms of transportation |
| 18:17.11 | levi | I can't say I really understand gas pricing, either. |
| 18:17.14 | JoshH | i want socialized gas, for cheap |
| 18:17.23 | maquis | (preferably with multiple companies serving the same areas and providing some competition) |
| 18:18.02 | maquis | we have one company that provides bus service between the area i live and the area where i work |
| 18:18.26 | maquis | they recently appear to have gotten rid of all their experienced good employees, and hired a bunch of brand new people who are horrid |
| 18:18.49 | maquis | we complained every day for 2 weeks that one of the new drivers never bothered to start her route until about 40 minutes after it was suppoesd to run |
| 18:19.23 | maquis | if you were lucky enough to get a reply at all, it was "oh, there's traffic" |
| 18:19.52 | maquis | yeah... well, there was traffic before they changed drivers on us, and the previous driver was able to at least start his route within 10 minutes of on-time every day |
| 18:21.36 | JoshH | i've gone through bus phases here in slc, and they always get slowed down by morons who take 4 minutes to count their change, or extremely fat people who take 3 minutes to get up the steps onto the bus, or the driver needing to lower the bus and assist someone in a wheelchair, etc |
| 18:21.59 | maquis | JoshH: see, i don't mind those things as much |
| 18:22.10 | maquis | those are generally < 5 minute delays |
| 18:22.19 | JoshH | but they all add up |
| 18:22.22 | maquis | sure |
| 18:22.25 | JoshH | the drivers themselves are usually pretty good here |
| 18:22.44 | JoshH | but sometimes there will be an extremely late bus and you can only wonder why |
| 18:23.31 | maquis | my problem is the fact that the company that runs our bus system here in seattle doesn't have any competition, so they see no reason whatsoever to make any attempts at even being half-decent |
| 18:23.31 | _crush | I used to bus from Bountiful to Riverdale for work, sometimes I got a driver that acted like they were filming a remake of Speed |
| 18:24.13 | maquis | there was one driver we all really liked because he actually attempted to be friendly and nice, and was usually on-time... and they switched him off our route after a few weeks |
| 18:24.13 | JoshH | UTA has no competition here either |
| 18:24.33 | JoshH | for the most part, the service is ok, but they keep reducing routes and raising fares |
| 18:24.36 | _crush | that was always an interesting ride at 11 PM while i'm half asleep on my way home |
| 18:24.52 | maquis | JoshH: yeah... they've kept our routes pretty constant, but they keep raising the fares |
| 18:25.15 | maquis | i still ride because my company pays for the bus for us |
| 18:25.18 | JoshH | i guess it would be nice if there were competing bus companies, but i doubt anyone would be loyal to one or the other |
| 18:25.28 | JoshH | they would just go with whatever one happened to come along first that was goign to the right place |
| 18:25.38 | JoshH | assuming fare was similar |
| 18:25.40 | maquis | JoshH: true |
| 18:26.04 | maquis | i just *hate* it when the bus driver is 30-40 minutes late, and acts like it's nothing |
| 18:26.18 | JoshH | how long would it take you to drive to work? |
| 18:26.24 | maquis | about an hour each way |
| 18:26.28 | JoshH | yikes |
| 18:26.34 | JoshH | just cause of traffic, or distance? |
| 18:26.37 | maquis | traffic |
| 18:27.02 | maquis | actually, if my husband and i were going in at the same time, we could probably make it in 45 minutes thanks to the carpool lanes |
| 18:27.25 | JoshH | that is one nice thing about SLC, decent commutes |
| 18:27.32 | JoshH | unless you live down in utah county or something |
| 18:27.38 | maquis | JoshH: holidays without traffic, we can make it in about 20 minutes |
| 18:27.53 | _crush | JoshH: yes, it does suck down here |
| 18:28.44 | maquis | our bus is a commuter bus, so after it picks us up at 8:05, it has one more stop before it gets on the freeway, and then it's on the freeway til it gets to downtown. downtown, it has about 8 stops and we're the last one |
| 18:28.48 | JoshH | my time from leaving the front door to unlocking my workstation is 20 minutes total |
| 18:28.51 | maquis | so, it takes about an hour to get in on the bus from that bus |
| 18:29.50 | JoshH | what suburb do you live in? |
| 18:38.27 | maquis | JoshH: mukilteo |
| 18:38.30 | maquis | up by everett |
| 18:38.56 | Jayce^ | dang... http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/01/1332215/RIAA-Victory-Over-Usenetcom-In-Copyright-Case |
| 18:44.13 | _crush | that bites. why does the RIAA seem to make up arguments as they go and the courts just take it? |
| 18:44.34 | goozbach | _crush: cause they have lots of money |
| 18:45.23 | JoshH | also, i think it's safe to say the judge probably didn't understand how news works |
| 18:47.18 | _crush | I'll have to look for it again, but I remember reading some article where the RIAA tried to sue a guy even after he presented evidence that he didn't own a computer or a wireless network. That there wasn't a way he could have done it |
| 18:47.43 | _crush | but they went on with it until the guy proved in court that it was impossible for him to have done it, and suddenly the RIAA wanted to settle the matter out of court. |
| 18:51.01 | _crush | oh wait, it was a woman... |
| 18:51.01 | _crush | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090619/1255415291.shtml |
| 18:51.03 | brac | [Woman Who Owned No Computer, But Got Sued By The RIAA, 'Settles' | Techdirt] |
| 18:51.44 | maquis | _crush: the woman should've said "no" to the request to settle |
| 18:52.02 | _crush | I agree, I would have counter sued. |
| 18:52.19 | maquis | yeah... make it obvious what's going on here |
| 18:54.38 | _crush | It's obvious they are going for money, why not the people they sue when they shouldn't? |
| 18:57.31 | maquis | yeah |
| 18:58.21 | ^Migs^ | because they can't afford the RIAA's fancy lawyers |
| 18:58.32 | maquis | i've been very careful with keeping my music collection 'legal', but i'm not sure anyone with a computer and network connection can *prove* that they haven't infringed |
| 18:59.04 | maquis | especially if they're having to pay for lawyers and everything themselves |
| 19:00.17 | maquis | wonders what percentage of geeks would be willing to contribute money for lawyers to someone who was planning on taking a case all the way to the end... |
| 19:01.02 | maquis | personally, i find format-switching to be a very interesting topic, even more so than downloading |
| 19:05.15 | maquis | the whole idea of fair use gets pretty much smashed when you start looking at the dmca's restriction on cracking DRM, even for non-infringing use |
| 19:21.46 | tensai | maquis: but they don't want you to have fair use. once you realize that, the rationale for the dmca becomes quite clear. |
| 19:22.13 | _crush | yes, you aren't buying the product. you're paying for temporary restricted use |
| 19:22.28 | tensai | I would again recommend cory doctorow's speech on drm. http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt |
| 19:36.33 | maquis | tensai: i agree that that's the purpose, but i find the legalities involved to be interesting |
| 19:37.24 | tensai | it's a catch 22. you can have a copy for fair use purposes, but you're not allowed to make a copy. the mpaa's recommendation is to buy the vhs instead of the dvd. |
| 19:38.17 | tensai | all I know is that dvds all magically copied themselves to my mythtv box. it was pretty neat to watch. lots of sparklies and music. |
| 19:38.28 | tensai | s/dvds/my dvds/ |
| 19:50.31 | Lars-UT | scrolls back, sees the word "Seattle", and gets the song of the same name by PiL stuck in his head |
| 20:00.03 | maquis | tensai: lol |
| 20:00.56 | rsimpkins | Oh, you want to make a copy of my book for your personal use? You can't use a copy machine, that is not allowed, Besides I have a special watermark embedded in in page making it difficult/impossible. However, you can make a copy using clay tablets and a chisel. |
| 20:01.01 | rsimpkins | That should be sufficient. |
| 20:01.29 | rsimpkins | Or, you can just buy another copy. *hing* |
| 20:01.32 | rsimpkins | hint* |
| 20:01.38 | rsimpkins | craws back under his rock. |
| 20:01.46 | rsimpkins | I apparently can't type today. |
| 20:08.33 | tensai | I buy so few books it's really not even funny. but I can say that every book I've bought in the last year (2 of them), I read something from that author at the library previously and I would not have bought the book otherwise. |
| 20:09.04 | tensai | that would be robert ludlum and mark bittman |
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| 20:18.15 | beelzebob | response of the week from the datacenter this morning "I tried 3 identical chassis installed on 2-58-2 and same problem, no power, it seems that whenever the server is being sandwich, it lost it's power." |
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| 20:20.48 | beelzebob | is sandwich some kind of new lingo I'm not privy to? |
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| 20:23.04 | tensai | I can't even imagine what that's supposed to mean. is the server being pressed between two things, possibly bread like objects. |
| 20:26.09 | sjansen | No, they're filling the server with wads of bologna and can't figure out why it isn't helping. |
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| 20:37.44 | _crush | i'd go with sjansen's answer |
| 20:38.19 | Jayce^ | yeah, everybody knows bologna won't work, you need something much better than that... try pastrami |
| 20:41.59 | goozbach | prucutto(sp?) |
| 20:43.02 | sjansen | ~disparage goozbach |
| 20:45.16 | beelzebob | I thought maybe a software translator was at fault |
| 20:45.40 | jsmith | Jayce^: Only on a good pumpernickel (or dark rye), with sauerkraut |
| 20:45.41 | beelzebob | but I can't think of any synonyms for sandwich that would fit |
| 20:45.57 | Jayce^ | eek, no kraut.. you ruin it (but yes to the rye) |
| 20:46.18 | beelzebob | maybe the answer is related to the latest xkcd |
| 20:47.21 | beelzebob | "being sandwich" = "plugged in" ? |
| 20:47.47 | beelzebob | is really being sandwich to this hip scene |
| 20:48.31 | whiteinge | Dear Ask #utah, in a dual-monitor setup where the monitors are differently sized, are there any tricks/utilities/window-managers that solve the problem of getting your mouse caught on the "edge" of, or disappearing "under", the smaller desktop when mousing between them? |
| 20:50.12 | sjansen | starts craving a nice polish with kraut |
| 20:50.52 | jsmith | Jayce^: I'm talking about *good* kraut... not the typical "been sitting in a jar at the supermarket for six months" variety |
| 20:51.37 | jsmith | is craving the pickles his wife is making upstairs |
| 20:51.37 | Jayce^ | still feel the same, sorry |
| 20:54.00 | goozbach | bratwurst with kraut |
| 20:54.08 | tensai | stuffs a Jayce^ into a cabbage |
| 20:54.11 | goozbach | and stone ground ingelhoffer mustard |
| 20:54.26 | Jayce^ | once again, all but the kraut.. |
| 20:54.27 | goozbach | on a hawaiian egg bread bun |
| 20:54.47 | Jayce^ | be it german or korean, there is nothing good to be had in rotting your food... |
| 20:54.52 | tensai | jsmith: I enjoyed that kraut we had in hsv |
| 20:55.24 | tensai | tofu, soy sauce, miso? |
| 20:55.38 | tensai | all are deliciously rotten |
| 20:56.07 | jsmith | Jayce^: To each his own... |
| 20:59.32 | goozbach | heck wine, anything with vinegar |
| 20:59.32 | tensai | actually wikipedia lists proscuitto and salami as fermented products, just like kimchi and sauerkraut |
| 20:59.32 | goozbach | true: certian sausages |
| 20:59.38 | tensai | cheese, yogurt, sourdough, beer |
| 20:59.57 | goozbach | pepperoni |
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| 21:00.10 | goozbach | how could you forget cheese! |
| 21:00.13 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:00.21 | goozbach | that should have been an interrobang |
| 21:00.59 | tensai | interronewlinebang |
| 21:01.14 | Jayce^ | surprised proscuitto would be marked as fermented |
| 21:01.23 | Sargun | where is that guy when you need him |
| 21:01.33 | Sargun | Supaplex, |
| 21:01.34 | Jayce^ | aged != fermented in my mind |
| 21:01.34 | tensai | Sargun: over there |
| 21:03.54 | tensai | does seem somewhat out of place. I wish I knew more about proscuitto. |
| 21:04.44 | Jayce^ | afik it's basically just a ham (intrinsically aged, preserved) |
| 21:04.53 | Jayce^ | just a really good one :) |
| 21:04.58 | jsmith | And don't forget smoked! |
| 21:05.08 | Jayce^ | preserved :) |
| 21:05.28 | Jayce^ | of course, there is debate as to how much the actual smoking preserves vs just the brining process |
| 21:05.29 | jsmith | The good stuff is smoked every few days for *months* |
| 21:06.07 | goozbach | stop |
| 21:06.12 | goozbach | you're all making me hungry |
| 21:06.13 | Jayce^ | and soooo tasty |
| 21:06.20 | tensai | jsmith: depends on the recipe. some are smoked, some aren't. |
| 21:06.30 | jsmith | tensai: Good to know... |
| 21:06.57 | jsmith | isn't worthy to rub (virtual) shoulders with the #utah food gurus |
| 21:07.24 | tensai | one of my life goals is to cure a ham. another is to eat it (and possibly not die). |
| 21:07.45 | tensai | the death is optional, depending on the quality of the ham |
| 21:07.47 | jsmith | tensai: and a third is to come to Virginia and get a real country ham |
| 21:08.12 | Jayce^ | tensai: my wife hates it when we visit her dad out east, and visit the old historic places... I always stop at the smokehouses.... I can see the fear in her eyes |
| 21:08.31 | tensai | jsmith: you know I'd love it |
| 21:09.12 | jsmith | tensai: Hey, I may lead you astray with technology advice... but when it comes to food, I never lie :-) |
| 21:09.44 | tensai | Jayce^: there's a smokehouse between pocatello and blackfoot which always mocks me. stupid tobacco. |
| 21:09.55 | Jayce^ | hrm, if we can wrangle jsmith out for utos, and of course tensai will be down, maybe I should put some stuff in the smoker for game night :) |
| 21:10.10 | jsmith | Jayce^: Now that's what I'm talking about... |
| 21:10.13 | Jayce^ | tensai: wrong kinda smokehouse :) |
| 21:10.29 | jsmith | Jayce^: (and yes, I went ahead and put in a couple of talk proposals for UTOS) |
| 21:10.31 | Jayce^ | and I'll add the "No Relation" |
| 21:10.35 | tensai | Jayce^: every time I drive past it fools me |
| 21:10.47 | Jayce^ | since I know what you are talking about |
| 21:11.45 | Jayce^ | jsmith, tensai I do need to get you guys to try my baked beans though :) |
| 21:11.54 | Jayce^ | some powerful stuff there |
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| 21:14.28 | tensai | maquis: what can I buy for $1.90 so I get super saver shipping? |
| 21:14.54 | Jayce^ | tensai: the better amazon plugin, or greasmonkey script has a tool for helping with that :) |
| 21:15.18 | maquis | tensai: a box of bic pens? |
| 21:15.49 | maquis | i know there's somethinig called jungle search or something like that that's a nice interface to our search... |
| 21:16.02 | maquis | there's also book monk or something like that, but i think that one's only for kindle books |
| 21:16.02 | goozbach | Jayce^: I'd be down for utos gamenight w/ smoked meats and such |
| 21:16.21 | Jayce^ | gotta figure out when to smoke during the conf though :/ |
| 21:16.21 | maquis | unfortunately, we don't offer that ourselves, which is kinda stupid |
| 21:16.51 | goozbach | Jayce^: start it on weds, and bring it on thurs-friday |
| 22:08.42 | rsimpkins | Oh, is PLUG in a week? Whoops. :( |
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| 22:28.37 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Have you found someone to present yet? |
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| 23:15.35 | tensai | maquis: I found a 10" pie pan for $2.94 |
| 23:16.03 | maquis | tensai: whatcha usin it for? |
| 23:16.11 | maquis | usually ends up using foil disposable pie pans |
| 23:16.14 | tensai | pies I guess |
| 23:16.31 | tensai | it's something we need another of. we have just one pyrex one. |
| 23:16.32 | maquis | most of my pies end up going to someone else's house, and it's so much easier to not have to wrry about making sure i get the pan back |
| 23:17.37 | tensai | I saw the pens, but I just don't need any more. I stock up when I visit hotels. |
| 23:18.07 | tensai | btw, the search filters on amazon aren't the greatest |
| 23:18.22 | tensai | I was consistently getting results that should have been excluded |
| 23:18.54 | maquis | our search sucks, imho |
| 23:19.03 | tensai | so if you could have that fixed by monday, mmk? |
| 23:19.29 | stderr | I always end up buying some cheap camera filters when I need to bump myself up into super saver |
| 23:20.13 | maquis | tensai: i'll keep that in mind :P |
| 23:20.49 | tensai | stderr: that's a good one. need to upgrade to a camera that can accept filters first. |
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