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| 06:09.32 | Sargun | no |
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| 15:43.28 | elg | know what bugs me? when people assume their political viewpoint is so obvious that any opposing view must be selfish conspiracy |
| 15:44.53 | elg | i mean, i think we can all agree emacs isn't of the devil. if emacs isn't of the devil, then differing viewpoints on something as complicated as social or economic policy can't be either. |
| 15:49.48 | fozzmoo | elg: I know what you mean... |
| 15:49.53 | fozzmoo | And I'm guilty of that sometimes. |
| 15:50.37 | fozzmoo | In many cases, very good people with the best of intentions becomes cogs in a machine that is perpetrating nothing but evil. |
| 15:50.52 | fozzmoo | Or is doing really shady stuff. |
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| 15:51.13 | fozzmoo | Case in point: Bush's domestic surveillance. |
| 15:51.39 | fozzmoo | Case in point: Obama's Cap and Trade, TARP, Stimulus |
| 15:52.00 | fozzmoo | I guess TARP was Bush too, wasn't it? |
| 15:52.06 | fozzmoo | Anyway, yeah. |
| 15:52.43 | fozzmoo | The problem, IMO, is that people in govt are lacking a core set of principles anymore. |
| 15:53.32 | fozzmoo | I don't believe President Obama is intent on destroying our country, but he is doing it. :) |
| 15:53.36 | elg | i think the assumption that everything is sinister is a case in point |
| 15:54.18 | elg | the assumption that policies you don't agree with are speedily destroying the country smacks of another |
| 15:54.21 | fozzmoo | Right. Exactly. There may be people behind the scenes who are, in fact, sinister... |
| 15:54.41 | elg | and there may not |
| 15:55.17 | fozzmoo | I've seen and heard people on both sides of the political spectrum whose views do ring as sinister. |
| 15:55.25 | elg | i think there is enough to debate and argue for each side without falling back on some sinister unknown calling the shots on the opposing side |
| 15:55.48 | fozzmoo | For example, I caught myself listening to a woman who belongs to the Eagle Forum here in Utah spewing hate speech about gays. |
| 15:56.05 | fozzmoo | Almost everyone she was talking to were nodding their heads in agreement. |
| 15:56.29 | fozzmoo | She was talking about policy as a means to an end. |
| 15:56.32 | elg | sure, there are sinister people out there. and there are just stupid people. and biased people. and lots of governments where sinister stupid dictators run the show |
| 15:56.33 | fozzmoo | That's sinister. |
| 15:57.08 | elg | are they running our country? I don't think so. I'd need to see some proof other than "$POLITICIAN doesn't agree with me" |
| 15:57.31 | fozzmoo | And there are people, even in Obama's administration, who have been captured on video and/or audio that have said they DO want a public health care option that makes private health care unsustainable. |
| 15:58.24 | fozzmoo | I don't think we should wait until they're running the country to call them out. :) |
| 15:59.45 | elg | i think it's more effective to counter the policies you don't agree with than to call them out on being evil sinister aliens |
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| 16:00.14 | elg | if your policy views can't stand on their own, they're not worth defending |
| 16:00.43 | fozzmoo | Bye elg! |
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