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| 01:36.43 | ccdude14 | More people that I would have previously assumed, how quaint |
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| 03:02.02 | eightyeight | ahh, the irc impatient |
| 03:02.12 | eightyeight | ~patience ccdude14 |
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| 15:14.30 | ^Migs^ | http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/ |
| 15:14.31 | brac | [Save The Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus] |
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| 15:19.22 | ^Migs^ | whoa, there's a gunman on Princeton's campus |
| 15:23.21 | JoshH | link? |
| 15:23.36 | ^Migs^ | http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S24/40/41M01/index.xml?section=topstories |
| 15:24.14 | JoshH | ah |
| 15:24.29 | JoshH | probably nothing major |
| 15:24.31 | JoshH | hopefully |
| 15:24.49 | ^Migs^ | I hope so |
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| 15:40.11 | jsmith-teaching | ^Migs^: All clear (false alarm) from Princeton |
| 15:44.28 | ^Migs^ | glad to hear it |
| 15:47.31 | eightyeight | xen dom0 possibly going into the mainline kernel, eh? interesting |
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| 16:02.35 | unum | oooh apple banned an app because it linked to a parody by brad templeton |
| 16:02.40 | unum | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/06/03/006206/Apple-Bans-RSS-Reader-Due-To-Bad-Word-In-Feed-Link?art_pos=12 |
| 16:02.51 | unum | that's one way to make sure your censorship gets some press |
| 16:03.29 | eightyeight | the great thing is, you can still visit the site with safari |
| 16:03.37 | eightyeight | which is bundled with the iphone by default |
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| 16:22.53 | maquis | eightyeight: well.. they also banned an app due to including music that was explicit |
| 16:23.08 | maquis | but you could buy the same explicit music from the itunes store on the iphone |
| 16:23.33 | eightyeight | yup |
| 16:23.37 | maquis | so... yeah |
| 16:23.58 | maquis | they don't really know what they're doing with that censorship, i think |
| 16:24.06 | eightyeight | story aftor story shows how screwed up their app approval process is |
| 16:24.32 | maquis | wonders how closely they're controlling Tap Tap's music |
| 16:25.23 | JoshH | i'm waiting to submit the request for my porn app |
| 16:26.09 | eightyeight | if you get it approved, make sure to submit the story to techdirt. they'll have a heyday with that |
| 16:27.08 | JoshH | it will be after my murder simulator app |
| 16:36.08 | elg | is leaning to FB over Google. am I insane? |
| 16:40.33 | Tene | FB? |
| 16:40.38 | elg | facebook |
| 16:40.49 | Tene | leaning to FB? |
| 16:40.55 | elg | i have offers from both |
| 16:41.06 | Tene | Oh, job. |
| 16:41.15 | Tene | I thought you meant use. |
| 16:41.24 | Tene | FB is in SF, right? |
| 16:41.27 | elg | the google offer is for the Site Reliability Engineering team (glorified superscale sysadmin stuff) |
| 16:41.28 | elg | yeah |
| 16:41.46 | JoshH | i'd pick google |
| 16:41.47 | Tene | SF is pretty nice. I'm thinking of moving there. |
| 16:41.54 | JoshH | FB will probably die off sooner |
| 16:41.58 | jsmith-teaching | elg: Wow... I thought it would be hard for FB to match the side benefits that Google offers |
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| 16:42.10 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 16:42.23 | JoshH | aren't both in SF area? |
| 16:42.35 | JoshH | i guess google is all over |
| 16:42.38 | elg | they don't have quite the perks google does, the most glaring perk missing is the shuttle busses (but FB is right off the public transit lines and they do subsidize public transit) |
| 16:42.39 | eightyeight | elg: weren't you teaching college or something? |
| 16:43.00 | elg | for some definition of teaching, yeah. :) I've been TA and occasionally a summer class |
| 16:43.08 | eightyeight | ahh. i see |
| 16:43.10 | elg | but that's just grad student stuff, not real |
| 16:43.22 | JoshH | do you want to work somewhere where people post poinless minute details of their lives, or somewhere that does useful stuff? |
| 16:43.27 | elg | what facebook has is the small company environment still |
| 16:43.46 | mgeary | hey, i've got a client asking me for something. I'd like to see if anyone here has any recommendations... They want something that can be installed on a (Windows) Desktop machine. It would be hardwired to monitor an RSS feed, and would give some sort of visual indicator when a new entry was detected, and upon click would take the user to the blog. |
| 16:43.58 | elg | google is something like 10k engineers. the best 10k-person company but still a big company and with that comes things that even google can't wholly mitigate |
| 16:44.36 | elg | that, and I don't know how excited I can get about automation/sysadmin when compared to creating new software |
| 16:45.05 | JoshH | just create the next google maps |
| 16:45.19 | eightyeight | so, what is facebook offering compared to google in terms of job? development vs sysadmin? |
| 16:45.37 | JoshH | you could probably move over to development later |
| 16:46.11 | elg | i think officially my position is something to do with machine learning, but yeah basically it's development. i talked with a fb engineer who said I'd have plenty of opportunity to put my sysadmin experience to work, so there'd be a mix |
| 16:46.42 | JoshH | well which one pays more? |
| 16:46.48 | elg | same engineer worked at google for 3.5 years. apparently they have a high demand for SREs (people with sysadmin and software experience) |
| 16:47.26 | elg | google pays abt 5 or 10k more (depending on how you interpret the bonus structures) but FB's equity plan (vests 1/4 per year) is much larger, even if FB doesn't do all that great |
| 16:47.50 | stderr | have you interviewed at Google yet? |
| 16:47.54 | elg | so moving from SRE to software engineer is swimming upstream |
| 16:48.00 | elg | yeah, I have offers in hand from both |
| 16:48.14 | eightyeight | i think i'd go to google |
| 16:48.24 | stderr | I interviewed for something similar to the position you're talking about, didn't end up taking it though because the pay wasn't nearly as good as I thought it would be. |
| 16:48.50 | JoshH | i'd go for google |
| 16:48.54 | maquis | elg: you don't want to come up north? |
| 16:49.23 | JoshH | i do |
| 16:49.24 | elg | my wife is anti-cloudy |
| 16:49.25 | Tene | maquis: amazon hiring sysadmins right now? |
| 16:49.39 | eightyeight | just for the stability. i'm not convinced facebook will be around in 5 years. what about health, dental, vision, etc? |
| 16:49.48 | JoshH | indeed, eightyeight |
| 16:49.54 | elg | health benefits are comparable. I don't know if I want to be around in 5 years |
| 16:50.01 | JoshH | it's only a matter of time before some other social networking site is a little better and supplants it |
| 16:50.06 | fungus | isn't stability somewhat overrated in todays market (as long as you are good) |
| 16:50.20 | eightyeight | fungus: given the current economy? |
| 16:50.23 | elg | I'll probably be itchin' to get back into research or academia. or maybe not if I enjoy it. either way, it wouldn't be hard to land a job somewhere else if I have been at facebook |
| 16:50.40 | maquis | Tene: i don't know anything about sysadmins... |
| 16:50.40 | tensai | elg: unless everybody else at facebook is doing the same |
| 16:50.45 | elg | I also have two other offers that aren't as exciting, boeing and AST |
| 16:51.07 | elg | tensai: everyone at facebook wouldn't be content to end up in Utah ;-) |
| 16:51.18 | JoshH | boeing would be cool, but i'd be scared of a pink slip every day |
| 16:51.22 | eightyeight | elg: just curious, but how did you land these offers? through a recruiter? dice? monster? |
| 16:51.29 | elg | i applied for them. |
| 16:51.34 | maquis | JoshH: agreed about boeing |
| 16:51.35 | elg | just directly |
| 16:51.42 | tensai | elg: dave sure talks up ast |
| 16:51.58 | elg | i think the area i'd be in would be secure at boeing, but I think the really-big corp. culture would be stifling |
| 16:52.04 | elg | I was very impressed with ast |
| 16:52.08 | TehLaser | has considered going up north. Wife loves rain. |
| 16:52.17 | maquis | elg: sorry your wife's anti-cloudy... things are nice up here |
| 16:52.20 | elg | if I didn't want to steer clear of utah |
| 16:52.23 | maquis | TehLaser: it is nice here |
| 16:52.30 | eightyeight | i can't stand big culture. i can't wait to leave my current job |
| 16:52.33 | elg | I love cloudy. I'd go to the seattle area in a heartbeat :) |
| 16:52.46 | tensai | ~rain on elg |
| 16:52.47 | elg | but I don't mind sunny either so I guess I lose |
| 16:52.53 | JoshH | i'd go to bay, portland, or seattle in a heartbeat, if moving with a family was a simple matter |
| 16:53.54 | maquis | JoshH: you seriously considering it? or just saying you'd enjoy it? |
| 16:54.13 | JoshH | i'd enjoy it, and will probably consider it seriously in a few years |
| 16:54.29 | JoshH | i'm stuck here for now |
| 16:54.47 | JoshH | utah could be so great, but the politics here are just so bad for my blood pressure |
| 16:54.59 | TehLaser | That's what /ignore is for. |
| 16:55.10 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:55.27 | TehLaser | Things get much better if you /ignore Buttars |
| 16:55.40 | JoshH | also, i don't care much for snow |
| 16:56.13 | maquis | JoshH: we've had a lot of snow up here recently in the winters... our weather has generally become more severe, unfortunately |
| 16:56.13 | JoshH | but that's a minor issue |
| 16:56.28 | JoshH | i can handle snow, but i'd prefer a more mild winter |
| 16:56.36 | JoshH | basically, i like it in the mountains, but not on the roads |
| 16:56.49 | maquis | looks out her window at the cargo ships out in the sound, with the mountatins beyond them, on this beautiful sunny day... |
| 16:56.53 | maquis | :P |
| 16:56.56 | JoshH | this is my favorite time of year, when the mountains are lush and green, with snow on the peaks |
| 16:57.11 | TehLaser | is tired of the dry. :/ |
| 16:57.26 | JoshH | maquis: get pics of your view |
| 17:00.16 | maquis | JoshH: kinda got one, but my phone isn't the best source... |
| 17:00.28 | maquis | in fact, it kinda sucks |
| 17:00.37 | JoshH | it will do |
| 17:00.48 | JoshH | i don't even have a window |
| 17:00.52 | JoshH | just a skylight |
| 17:00.56 | maquis | lemme see real quick if my friend has any good pics from his SLR on his website first :P |
| 17:01.23 | TehLaser | You have a skylight? |
| 17:01.31 | JoshH | ya |
| 17:01.37 | JoshH | actually 2 |
| 17:01.48 | JoshH | but i have to cover all but a small portion, or it gets way too sunny |
| 17:05.35 | ^Migs^ | http://j.photos.cx/geronimo-645.gif |
| 17:05.54 | elg | "I'm a guy who sees nothing good having come from the Internet. Period." Michael Lynton, CEO of Sony Pictures |
| 17:05.55 | maquis | JoshH: bad pic... but here it is: http://tuxgirl.smugmug.com/gallery/8429887_cWbDf#553863660_V2nuV-A-LB |
| 17:07.27 | stderr | Seattle is pretty fantastic. |
| 17:07.32 | tensai | maquis: don't forget to mention your 1 hour+ commute |
| 17:08.56 | JoshH | that is a pretty cool view, past the parking lot |
| 17:09.00 | JoshH | definitely looks like a nice day |
| 17:09.18 | maquis | JoshH: it's beautiful today |
| 17:09.49 | elg | is going to talk to an SRE at google a little later today |
| 17:10.01 | elg | get a better picture of what SREs do |
| 17:10.23 | JoshH | read slashdot, chat in irc, take naps, eat free food |
| 17:10.46 | elg | haha |
| 17:11.25 | fungus | My view from my window http://tinyurl.com/qebfax |
| 17:12.00 | elg | applying to FB was a slick move though. I just happened to do it by chance. but if I hadn't I would have taken the google NY job in a heartbeat and wouldn't be looking at google in mountain view (which location we prefer) |
| 17:12.36 | maquis | fungus: that's nice, too |
| 17:12.42 | maquis | i like the little lake there |
| 17:12.54 | tensai | my window is covered up to keep that horrible light out |
| 17:13.00 | fungus | yeah, it's really nice for talking a long walk |
| 17:13.39 | JoshH | ya, i don't have a good view, but i can go for nice walks downtown |
| 17:14.00 | JoshH | or drive to liberty park or city creek pretty easily if i want to walk there |
| 17:14.32 | unum | I'm with in a half mile of the jordon river trail |
| 17:14.36 | Sargun_screen | dwaokdawodpkawpodkwadpoawk |
| 17:14.45 | Sargun_screen | elg: why do you wanna work at large companies? |
| 17:15.45 | elg | I don't necessarily want to forever. maybe not even past a few years. but I want to take a dip in that stream |
| 17:15.49 | fungus | unum: me too. where do you work? |
| 17:16.31 | elg | if i were really passionate about {teaching,small companies,defense contracts,research,large companies,sysadmin,web dev} i wouldn't be so indecided |
| 17:16.42 | elg | about things in general |
| 17:16.55 | elg | cs degree, sysadmin, cs grad school, ???, profit! |
| 17:17.18 | elg | not exactly the direct road |
| 17:19.28 | sjansen | Wow, that's the first time a hot sauce has ever given me the hiccups. |
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| 17:23.27 | neybar | so I just setup a mirror raid with mdadm. I didn't setup any partitions on the disks that I'm using, I ran mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 1 -r 2 /dev/sdd, and then /dev/sdb. Now I'm finding that since I didn't setup a partition and set it as a type of "FD" I can't automount the mirror on reboot |
| 17:24.02 | neybar | I can't seem to get mdadm to let me fail out a drive so that I can partition it correctly and add it back in. |
| 17:24.54 | neybar | It just tells me: mdadm --manage --fail /dev/md0 /dev/sdd |
| 17:24.54 | neybar | mdadm: set device faulty failed for /dev/sdd: No such device |
| 17:25.19 | neybar | the fun part though is that I'm currently using the raid and there is data on it. |
| 17:29.22 | maquis | neybar: i assume you've backed that data up... :) |
| 17:29.30 | maquis | (outside of the raid) |
| 17:29.41 | neybar | yes |
| 17:29.44 | maquis | :) |
| 17:29.52 | maquis | i just wouldn't mess with anything without that step :P |
| 17:29.54 | neybar | I'd rather not completely rebuild it though :) |
| 17:30.35 | maquis | agreed... that's always my view... i never want to have to use my backup... and rarely have to... but... |
| 17:37.15 | JoshH | http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/StHillary/lazy.jpg |
| 17:37.22 | brac | [Recent image by StHillary on Photobucket] |
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| 17:41.52 | elg | haha. but look at his mom, pushing him around the store (doing the work for two) hasn't made her a stunning example of fitness. So I call bull on the cause/effect relationship |
| 17:44.18 | stderr | Well, pushing him around in a cart is just a symptom of said relationship. |
| 17:46.45 | elg | as is fatness |
| 17:50.39 | stderr | ah. agreed. |
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| 18:02.06 | stderr | aw. David Eddings died :( |
| 18:02.31 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://utos.org/irc | Log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | UTOSC - http://tinyurl.com/utosc2009-venue | Like Plug, but real timey. |
| 18:03.34 | sjansen | neybar: It can be done. |
| 18:03.36 | Jayce^ | awww |
| 18:03.56 | Jayce^ | well, at least he didn't die halfway through one of his good series |
| 18:05.22 | stderr | yea. he stopped writing after his wife died a couple years ago. |
| 18:06.55 | sjansen | neybar: If you're still having trouble later this afternoon, maybe I can throw together a VM and verify the necessary steps. |
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| 18:14.45 | ^Migs^ | http://notalwaysright.com/one-foot-in-the-grave-one-hand-on-the-printing-press/2037 |
| 18:22.38 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.51 | maquis | ^Migs^: i thought the ones yesterday were much more entertaining... the one with the woman who couldn't provide any physical description of her baby's father was quite frightening... and the one about the guy who withdrew his money from the bank, and then argued that he had to have more in there because he still had checks.... well... |
| 18:27.57 | maquis | that says a lot about americans |
| 18:28.03 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
| 18:28.11 | ^Migs^ | meh, it's not just americans on that site |
| 18:28.23 | ^Migs^ | frankly, I think the worst ones tend to be European |
| 18:28.33 | maquis | true... |
| 18:28.44 | ^Migs^ | actually, that baby's father one was from London |
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| 18:28.57 | maquis | it's frightening how many items on there have people not understanding that they're out of money because they still have checks |
| 18:29.04 | ^Migs^ | haha yeah |
| 18:43.21 | jsmith-teaching | maquis: Or, as the saying goes... "There's always too much month at the end of the money" |
| 18:43.41 | maquis | jsmith-teaching: yeah |
| 18:43.59 | maquis | it just concerns me how many people don't understand how money works |
| 18:44.21 | tensai | s/money/<fill in basic principle here>/ |
| 18:44.28 | maquis | i mean... i've talked to people who didn't see anything wrong with payday loans |
| 18:46.20 | ^Migs^ | holy crap: http://gizmodo.com/5277456/stem-cell-contact-lenses-cure-blindness-in-less-than-a-month?autoplay=true |
| 18:49.49 | maquis | tensai: i guess it's true for any principle, but i just see it so often with money |
| 18:52.54 | ^Migs^ | lol http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090603102819AA1tazD |
| 18:52.58 | ^Migs^ | great parenting there |
| 18:54.50 | maquis | ack!!!! |
| 18:54.52 | maquis | that's horrid |
| 18:55.01 | maquis | that's a parent writing that? |
| 18:55.16 | ^Migs^ | presumably |
| 18:55.28 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't rule out snickering teenager, though |
| 18:56.00 | maquis | *shudder* |
| 18:56.18 | maquis | i guess i can imagine some parent doing that... but... uh... |
| 19:02.15 | TehLaser | I've recently had to stop using the magic plastic card that gets me whatever I want and start regularly taking cash out of the ATM. |
| 19:02.20 | TehLaser | Money's realer that way. |
| 19:04.26 | unum | some people recommend that for better budgetting |
| 19:04.35 | unum | plus there's the privacy issues |
| 19:04.42 | unum | I continue to use my card |
| 19:05.09 | TehLaser | It's not so much budgeting as awareness. |
| 19:05.23 | TehLaser | Noticing your wallet getting thinner. |
| 19:06.11 | maquis | uses a card for points that translate to gift cards... |
| 19:06.12 | TehLaser | Online banking helps, but the variable processing delays make that suck, and keeping a register is a pain. |
| 19:06.50 | unum | I should put my self on an eating out cash budget |
| 19:06.50 | TehLaser | I wonder if hooking up one of those glowy spheres to an account balance might produce a similar effect. |
| 19:06.53 | unum | that's my main problem |
| 19:07.12 | maquis | unum: that's our main problem too |
| 19:07.51 | maquis | particularly when i had really bad "morning" sickness, it was easier than trying to cook something quickly |
| 19:09.11 | unum | my allergies have been killing me |
| 19:09.22 | unum | I spend most of the evening laying down |
| 19:11.15 | TehLaser | Mine were really bad this season, but are mostly done now. |
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| 19:19.22 | goozbach | we use the envlope system |
| 19:19.45 | goozbach | each time we budget, the ammounts go into envolopes, when the cash is gone, it's gone |
| 19:20.16 | jsmith-teaching | We use the "I earn it and don't get to spend it" method |
| 19:22.37 | sjansen | I prefer to always use my card, but then I've also been using GnuCash for years. |
| 19:23.11 | sjansen | Keeping track of every single transaction was a pain at first, but after a few months it becomes habit. |
| 19:23.33 | sjansen | Let me tell you, it's awesome knowing exactly where all my money is going. |
| 19:24.15 | sjansen | I especially love being able to create custom charts and reports. |
| 19:41.25 | maquis | is still trying to find the best way to keep track of all the expenses |
| 19:41.46 | maquis | tried using a couple different ways to handle the budget, but haven't found the one that works best for us |
| 19:41.58 | TehLaser | sjansen: I did that, until I realized that half my money goes to wal-mart. |
| 19:42.22 | TehLaser | And that tells me approximately nothing about what I'm actually buying. |
| 19:42.45 | maquis | TehLaser: i bet you can record what you bought... right? |
| 19:43.23 | maquis | keeps thinking that when she's not working full time, she'll have more time to keep track of stuff |
| 19:45.50 | sjansen | TehLaser: *shrug* I enter what I bought, not where I bought it. Admittedly, that can be more of a hassle when I mix purchases. |
| 19:47.59 | sjansen | Funny thing is, I started using GnuCash so I'd have a baseline to create a budget. |
| 19:48.37 | sjansen | Years later, I've got great records but still haven't gotten around to creating a budget. |
| 19:48.45 | ^Migs^ | We do budgets, but I'm going to have to start using GnuCash |
| 19:50.03 | maquis | sjansen: as long as you can ensure that consistently there's more going in than going out, that's at least a basic budget |
| 19:50.41 | sjansen | I'm single. My bank account is going going up each month. And I know where all my money is going. Haven't really needed a budget yet. |
| 19:51.33 | maquis | :) |
| 19:51.39 | ^Migs^ | why doesn't my bank account go up? |
| 19:51.44 | ^Migs^ | oh right, the family |
| 19:51.51 | sjansen | Looking over the charts of my month-to-month expenses, I can't imagine how anyone could possible create a budget without first collecting good data. |
| 19:51.52 | unum | mine went up until I bought a condo |
| 19:51.53 | ^Migs^ | dang freeloaders |
| 19:52.35 | unum | ya I tried to do a budget before I started keeping track of my cash |
| 19:52.36 | ^Migs^ | the only aspect I don't still have good data on is groceries |
| 19:52.58 | unum | it became really clear why the whole "budget in my head" thing didn'twork |
| 19:53.17 | maquis | ^Migs^: interesting... |
| 19:53.22 | maquis | groceries are the easiest for me to estimate |
| 19:53.32 | unum | I failed to budget for car, medical, gifts |
| 19:53.41 | unum | ya gifts didn't even occur to me |
| 19:53.41 | ^Migs^ | our average is about $700/month, though that includes restaurants, too |
| 19:54.01 | sjansen | It's amazing how much utilties, auto, indidentals, etc. can vary month to month. Adjusting the budget every month for the first year is basically a less transparent form of collecting data. |
| 19:54.05 | maquis | gifts are the hard one to figure out |
| 19:54.11 | ^Migs^ | I make sure that all my monthly expenses are taken out right at the beginning of the month, though, when I get my paycheck |
| 19:54.20 | ^Migs^ | makes it easy to see exactly how much you have left around the 5th of the month or so |
| 19:54.22 | unum | sjansen: ya that's basically what I'm doing |
| 19:55.13 | sjansen | If you use the GnuCash recommended template of accounts, it has a really great break down for expenses. |
| 19:57.52 | maquis | sjansen: does gnucash just store its data in a file in your homedir or something like that? |
| 19:58.26 | sjansen | I'd recommend giving it an entire directory and turning on automatic backups. |
| 19:58.46 | maquis | just curious... if it's something i can have on our nfs mount, that would make it easier so that i can use it from any of our machines |
| 19:58.56 | maquis | cool... that'd be good |
| 19:59.07 | sjansen | I think it can also work with postgres, but I've never tried. |
| 19:59.27 | TehLaser | Gnucash was a royal pain to set up for multiple users when I tried it. |
| 19:59.52 | TehLaser | It didn't set permissions right when it copied the file. |
| 20:00.14 | TehLaser | I eventually put in a cron job to fix them up frequently. |
| 20:00.39 | maquis | TehLaser: i'm thinking one user, multiple machines |
| 20:01.23 | TehLaser | ah, that should be fine. |
| 20:01.39 | TehLaser | just does ssh -X for that sort of thing. |
| 20:02.28 | maquis | TehLaser: *shrug*... i've been enjoying running NFS in our house for everything. combined with a (currently not behaving nicely) print server, it's great for being able to do anything from anywhere |
| 20:03.07 | TehLaser | Yeah, I ought to try that oneathesedays. |
| 20:03.33 | TehLaser | I've been limping along with sshfs. |
| 20:03.53 | maquis | heh |
| 20:04.03 | maquis | nfs isn't actually that bad, imho |
| 20:04.19 | sjansen | Dude! NFS is _so_ easy to setup. (As long as you don't care about security.) |
| 20:05.30 | TehLaser | I'm coexisting with a bunch of windows users right now. :/ |
| 20:05.54 | maquis | oh... |
| 20:06.06 | TehLaser | With some really annoying security software that's screwing up everything. |
| 20:06.22 | sjansen | Samba isn't too much harder to setup... as long as you don't care about security. ;-) |
| 20:07.04 | TehLaser | It is when the paranoid firewalls keep reconfiguring themselves to block it. |
| 20:07.43 | TehLaser | Or producing popups or something that someone is clicking "go away" on without reading. |
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| 20:46.45 | ^Migs^ | http://www.totalfilm.com/news/fox-to-remake-alien |
| 20:46.48 | brac | [Film news Fox to remake Alien? | TotalFilm.com] |
| 20:48.02 | Jayce^ | same people are also doing an A-Team movie |
| 20:49.09 | RyanE | I pity da fool! |
| 20:50.45 | unum | http://slashweb.org/programming/25-best-programmer-webcomic-strips.html |
| 20:50.47 | brac | [25 Best Programmer WebComic Strips] |
| 20:50.55 | unum | mostly xkcd |
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| 21:15.52 | ^Migs^ | dangit, every time I listen to the Elder Scrolls: Oblivion soundtrack I get nostalgic and want to play it, but I don't want to play it unless I can play my old character, except I overmodded and effectively crashed my old game |
| 21:16.27 | ^Migs^ | I logged over 300 hours on that game, and I still never explored the eastern part |
| 21:22.47 | eightyeight | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/06/google-sandboxing-for-chrome-on-mac-os-x-a-piece-of-cake.ars |
| 21:22.48 | brac | [Google: sandboxing for Chrome on Mac OS X a piece of cake - Ars Technica] |
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| 21:24.47 | eggyknap | synic: ping |
| 21:26.05 | eightyeight | there are some security features linux could learn from bsd, like sandbox_init() and hiding pids you don't own |
| 21:26.40 | ^Migs^ | why do they start calling it "Chromium" in the middle of the article? |
| 21:26.54 | eightyeight | chromium is the upstream to google chrome |
| 21:27.09 | ^Migs^ | oic |
| 21:27.14 | eightyeight | code.google.com/chromium |
| 21:27.32 | synic | eggyknap: pong |
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| 22:55.02 | maquis | ~beat vim |
| 22:55.02 | ibot | ACTION beats vim with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 22:55.20 | maquis | ~lart vim for not reading my mind and knowing that i meant :bw instead of :q |
| 22:55.20 | ibot | executes killall -KILL vim for not reading my mind and knowing that i meant :bw instead of :q |
| 22:55.40 | maquis | grrr... |
| 23:02.13 | jsmith-teaching | maquis: "To save and restore the buffer list across Vim session, include the '%' flag in the 'viminfo' option. Note that if Vim is invoked with a filename argument, then the buffer list will not be restored from the last session. To use buffer lists across sessions, invoke Vim without passing filename arguments. " |
| 23:03.16 | jsmith-teaching | maquis: (from http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Vim_buffer_FAQ) |
| 23:08.28 | maquis | jsmith-teaching: interesting |
| 23:08.44 | jsmith-teaching | maquis: I thought you'd say that |
| 23:08.51 | maquis | i'm actually currently trying to teach vim that :q means to close a single buffer if there's more than one buffer open |
| 23:09.21 | maquis | jsmith-teaching: unfortunately, i already lost all my buffers from this last time, so i'm going to make sure it doesn't happen again :) |
| 23:09.33 | jsmith-teaching | maquis: I understand... :-( |
| 23:09.55 | maquis | ok... so, now i've got vim into the state where i can't quit it... so... i just need to detect when there's only one buffer open :) |
| 23:10.24 | jsmith-teaching | Gotcha |
| 23:14.29 | maquis | ha |
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| 23:14.36 | maquis | worked around it for now |
| 23:14.48 | maquis | need to still learn how to detect # of buffers, but i can now exit vim |
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