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| 15:06.37 | ibot | --purges Tene |
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| 15:42.36 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 15:42.37 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of tiwula |
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| 16:28.47 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:28.47 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags levi into court suing for $200 million |
| 16:43.03 | stderr | http://www.noiseforfree.com/bpython/index.html |
| 16:43.05 | brac | [bpython - fancy curses interface to the Python interpreter] |
| 16:54.32 | elg | -chat |
| 16:54.33 | brac | Odd place. Roy, Utah. Must be going downhill. |
| 16:54.50 | elg | and with that, we have achieved sentience. |
| 16:55.01 | elg | or at least, sentence. |
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| 17:04.25 | tensai | ~sentence elg |
| 17:06.26 | tensai | ~sentence $elg is <action> slams down the gavel and sentences $elg to 10 years of hard labor |
| 17:06.27 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 17:08.01 | sjansen | ~sentence tensai |
| 17:08.01 | ibot | ACTION slams down the gavel and sentences tensai to 10 years of hard labor |
| 17:09.27 | sjansen | ibot: no, sentence $elg is <action> slams down the gavel and sentences $elg to 10 years of hard labor in a Windows only IT shop |
| 17:09.28 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 17:09.31 | sjansen | ~sentence tensai |
| 17:09.31 | ibot | ACTION slams down the gavel and sentences tensai to 10 years of hard labor in a Windows only IT shop |
| 17:09.52 | tensai | abcdcrceec |
| 17:10.08 | tensai | oops |
| 17:10.36 | sjansen | rushes off to ping scan tensai's network in attempt login to everything he finds |
| 17:11.44 | tensai | hah, that's not even my password. mine is "secret". |
| 17:12.20 | tensai | actually I was playing with the handwriting recognition on my phone |
| 17:18.28 | unum | mine is password1 after all it's one everyone uses how could that be bad |
| 17:18.51 | unum | in related news i'm switch back to windows and converting to catholiscm |
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| 17:19.32 | macnewbold | catholicism, fine. but windows? you should be disowned for that. |
| 17:19.41 | sjansen | Well that was impressive. CUPS just took down my X session. |
| 17:21.16 | macnewbold | wow |
| 17:21.26 | macnewbold | how? |
| 17:21.47 | tensai | now |
| 17:21.53 | tensai | brown |
| 17:21.55 | tensai | cow |
| 17:25.05 | sjansen | I tried to re-enable a printer that was disabled for no good reason. |
| 17:27.20 | tensai | not crashing X isn't a good reason? |
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| 18:12.39 | TehLaser | really needs to rig up some sort of "die X die" escape hatch. |
| 18:13.45 | elg | like ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 18:13.48 | TehLaser | X tends to lock up and make me crash my laptop to recover. |
| 18:14.00 | TehLaser | That doesn't work when X is out to lunch. |
| 18:14.11 | elg | if that doesn't work, what does? |
| 18:14.18 | TehLaser | More like alt-sysrq-R, but one that actually works. |
| 18:14.19 | elg | only the power button or perhaps ssh in |
| 18:14.34 | TehLaser | Yeah, ssh in, but being a laptop it isn't always networked. |
| 18:15.05 | TehLaser | Could add something to the keyboard driver in the kernel to do a killall X on some funny keychord. |
| 18:15.33 | TehLaser | or whatever the executable is actually called |
| 18:15.54 | elg | have any kids? they *will* find that funny keychord |
| 18:16.04 | TehLaser | yeah, they're good at that. :) |
| 18:16.49 | TehLaser | I do keep magic sysrq on though, so alt-sysrq-b is instadeath already. |
| 18:17.06 | TehLaser | Killing X is, relatively, no big deal. |
| 18:17.48 | TehLaser | always hated the ctrl-shift call when he was doing Windows support. |
| 18:18.58 | TehLaser | If you've not experienced that joy, hitting those keys switches your keyboard layout. |
| 18:19.01 | maquis | elg: lol |
| 18:19.10 | elg | is amused that neither facebook nor google thought it was noteworthy to mention that there's a desktop with a large monitor or dual monitors and a laptop provided |
| 18:19.41 | maquis | from what i've heard, it's true that no matter what the key combination is, a kid will find it |
| 18:20.08 | maquis | i've seen kids playing with locked phones manage to "accidentally" put in the unlock code |
| 18:20.13 | maquis | in record time, in fact |
| 18:20.14 | TehLaser | was so proud when his son, one at the time, crashed X for his first time. |
| 18:20.17 | TehLaser | Awwwwww....! |
| 18:20.48 | TehLaser | maquis: not to mention that you can call 911 on a locked phone. |
| 18:21.00 | maquis | TehLaser: yeah |
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| 18:21.13 | maquis | i always watch kids very closely when they're playing with my phone |
| 18:21.35 | maquis | and make sure i hit something before they manage to actually submit an attempt at the password |
| 18:21.41 | elg | i collect old phones to let my kids play with |
| 18:21.43 | TehLaser | shudders. |
| 18:21.51 | maquis | elg: yeah... that's a good way to go... |
| 18:21.53 | elg | but they don't seem to be as interested in those as the ones that beep and flash |
| 18:21.58 | TehLaser | My son, now 3, was playing in the drivers seat of a suburban the other day. |
| 18:22.05 | TehLaser | I thought this was safe on account of no keys. |
| 18:22.09 | maquis | TehLaser: uh oh... |
| 18:22.10 | eggyknap | synic: ping |
| 18:22.13 | TehLaser | He managed to get it into neutral without a key. |
| 18:22.18 | maquis | TehLaser: that's possible? |
| 18:22.31 | TehLaser | Rolled down the driveway, hit the curb, bounced, and hit a fire hydrant. |
| 18:22.38 | elg | remembers a time when we were in the car and got the car in neutral and rolled back a few feet |
| 18:22.40 | TehLaser | (across the street) |
| 18:22.45 | elg | we weren't 3, but yeah, you can do it. :) |
| 18:22.55 | elg | at least it used to be |
| 18:22.56 | TehLaser | It isn't supposed to me. |
| 18:23.20 | maquis | points to the parking brake... |
| 18:23.25 | elg | TehLaser: that's why you should never *ever* park on a hill. |
| 18:23.26 | TehLaser | drove a car once where the ignition had worn out to the point that the key fell out... while it was running. |
| 18:23.35 | elg | in fact, you should never even touch a car |
| 18:23.48 | elg | terror logic ftw |
| 18:23.53 | TehLaser | maquis: yeah, I toasted parking breaks that evening. |
| 18:24.19 | TehLaser | once managed to drive it to salt lake, but forgot the key and couldn't turn it off. :P |
| 18:24.49 | maquis | TehLaser: wow... |
| 18:26.50 | sjansen | elg: Recent version of Ubuntu and Fedora disable ctrl-alt-backspace. I can forgive Ubuntu for doing it, but not Fedora. |
| 18:27.15 | elg | ill-advised. but i'm sure you can reenable it |
| 18:28.35 | maquis | hmmm... that's good to know for the next time i'm helping someone debug something on an ubuntu box... |
| 18:28.56 | elg | "you don't know which version of ubuntu it is? hmm... try ctrl-alt-backspace" |
| 18:29.07 | elg | -lart gmail |
| 18:29.07 | brac | casts gmail into the fires of Mt. Doom. |
| 18:29.37 | sjansen | TehLaser: Actually, it is supposed to be possible to put a car in neutral without a key. By design. Learned this from a two truck operator. |
| 18:30.03 | goozbach | how did he do that? |
| 18:30.11 | unum | it's possible to put a stick shift in neutral with out a key |
| 18:30.20 | goozbach | operate two trucks!? |
| 18:30.27 | unum | I didn't know you could do that with an automatic |
| 18:30.29 | elg | at the same time? |
| 18:30.31 | TehLaser | This was an auto. |
| 18:30.33 | goozbach | some sort of drive by wire, mimic system? |
| 18:30.42 | elg | you can put a standard into any gear you want without a key |
| 18:30.52 | stderr | I had a jury-rigged 72 Land Cruiser when I was in college, the ignition was just a switch I set up on the console. My friends had a lot of fun hiding my car in various places. |
| 18:30.53 | TehLaser | s/two/tow/ |
| 18:32.02 | sjansen | s/two/tow/ |
| 18:32.18 | sjansen | ~lart goozbach |
| 18:32.18 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides goozbach with the sea of tranquility |
| 18:32.20 | TehLaser | I actually have no idea how Danny pulled it off. I certainly can't do it without the key. |
| 18:32.43 | sjansen | In the case of my car (automatic) this a recessed button near the shifter that has to be pressed first. |
| 18:33.16 | sjansen | Step 1) Find somthing to poke button. Step 2) Poke button. Step 3) Uhm... Profit?! |
| 18:33.17 | TehLaser | This besides the usual pull the handle toward you thing? |
| 18:33.39 | sjansen | The recessed button is to unlock the handle. |
| 18:33.41 | TehLaser | or the button on the side for a floor-mounted selector? |
| 18:33.42 | unum | I think you can do certain shifting with out pushing the button |
| 18:33.53 | TehLaser | you can, but not out of park, unum. |
| 18:33.57 | elg | was all excited to get a new accord, but it's looking more and more like my wife wants a minivan |
| 18:34.13 | elg | do they even make minivans with standard transmission? |
| 18:35.05 | sjansen | Awww, in't that sweet? Our little elg's all growed up and getting a minivan. :,) |
| 18:35.49 | stderr | doesn't sound like something to celebrate. |
| 18:35.50 | elg | but i'll get a motorcycle to commute, so i guess it all evens out |
| 18:35.56 | stderr | elg: european minivans have standards |
| 18:36.22 | elg | how would i get a european minivan? |
| 18:37.15 | unum | you should get a ferrari minivan |
| 18:37.21 | stderr | No idea, the only time I can recall seeing a minivan with a standard was in europe. I even noted how odd it was and the German guy I was with gave me some explanation, but I cannot recall the conversation now. |
| 18:37.28 | unum | or an old volkswagan van... |
| 18:42.29 | elg | well, forget standard. I'd be happy with a minivan where I can open the door and adjust the seat manually |
| 18:42.37 | elg | without having to wait for stupid slow assistive electronics |
| 18:58.10 | maquis | elg: my mom has a car where everything is computerized |
| 18:58.21 | Sargun | everything!? |
| 18:58.32 | maquis | Sargun: not *everything* but everything they could computerize |
| 18:58.37 | maquis | things like tire pressure, etc |
| 18:59.06 | Sargun | seat adjustment? |
| 18:59.08 | maquis | in the first 6 months, that car had to go in for service like 5-6 times |
| 18:59.10 | maquis | Sargun: yup |
| 18:59.21 | Sargun | What car does she have |
| 18:59.29 | maquis | seat adjustment is handled automatically based on what key you're using -- if you're using my mom's key, it automatically adjusts to her presets |
| 18:59.35 | maquis | Sargun: VW Touareg |
| 19:00.58 | elg | maquis: my grandma's minivanish thing has presets too. but I don't think it's by key. that's kind of neat |
| 19:01.22 | elg | do you set the presets once, or does it remember the last setting? i.e. if my wife borrowed my keys would my settings be messed up the next time I drove |
| 19:02.09 | maquis | elg: you set them once |
| 19:02.26 | elg | the biggest annoyance is the forward/back of seats. probably not as much an issue in a minivan or suv (where the seat is higher) but in a car like our honda, I can't even get into the car without adjusting the seat. I've got it down to a science - I can adjust it with my heel as I climb in. but if I had to wait 30 seconds for the seat to move before I could even get in... |
| 19:02.28 | maquis | you can adjust manually if you want to after that if you're using someone else's keys, but it doesn't change their settings |
| 19:02.29 | TehLaser | maquis: that's annoying. |
| 19:03.09 | TehLaser | I'm holy-crap-tall, and Mom's car is always tried to break my legs when she wanted me to run errands. |
| 19:03.17 | maquis | TehLaser: lol |
| 19:03.22 | maquis | you wouldn't like my car |
| 19:03.31 | elg | true that. that could be dangerous |
| 19:03.31 | maquis | my dad can't sit anywhere in my car comfortably |
| 19:04.14 | TehLaser | If a passenger airbag ever went off in most cars while I was sitting there it'd probably blow my kneecaps off. :( |
| 19:04.21 | maquis | but now days, my mom's car is always having some sort of complaint about something... recently, it's started claiming that there's a "defective tyre on board" <-- its way of saying that there's a tire problem) |
| 19:04.36 | maquis | all the problems it's had have been software problems, though |
| 19:04.38 | maquis | kind-of annoying |
| 19:04.42 | Jayce^ | TehLaser: I had a 'holy crap tall' roomate once, he drove a nissan pulsar with the seat all the way forward.. |
| 19:04.50 | Jayce^ | knees up in the air |
| 19:07.23 | TehLaser | maquis: is it an Audi? |
| 19:07.40 | TehLaser | Mom eventually got rid of that car, an Audi, after replacing the computer a half-dozen times. |
| 19:14.34 | maquis | TehLaser: nope... VW Touareg |
| 19:14.44 | maquis | it's a pretty nice car, actually... |
| 19:14.57 | TehLaser | So was the Audi, when it wasn't segfaulting. |
| 19:15.05 | maquis | valet parking attendants are always commenting to her about how excited they were to drive it... |
| 19:16.07 | maquis | the chassis is on hydraulics so it can be adjusted up and down (and it auto-adjusts based on the speed you're driving, too...) |
| 19:16.12 | maquis | my dad picked it out |
| 19:16.42 | maquis | my mom prefers simple cars, but my dad loves gadgets and fun stuff |
| 19:25.32 | tensai | stderr: friend of mine had a ford aerostar with a manual transmission. late 80's model I believe. |
| 19:27.39 | tensai | elg: I fought the minivan too, but I like my sienna |
| 19:28.26 | tensai | taking 3 kids on a road trip in a sedan is just asking for a murder/suicide |
| 19:28.46 | elg | it's not so much the style (my manhood isn't offended) and they are comfortable. it just seems difficult to find anything that could get worse mileage. except a big truck |
| 19:29.15 | elg | but the odyssey sticker claims not-terrible mileage |
| 19:29.22 | elg | so maybe i'm stereotyping |
| 19:29.31 | maquis | wonders if a minivan is better than an suv for kids... |
| 19:29.58 | maquis | or... maybe one of the weird suv/sedan things (smaller than a regular suv, but still bigger than a sedan?) |
| 19:30.09 | elg | like the outback? |
| 19:30.23 | maquis | elg: that might be what i'm thinking of? |
| 19:30.32 | maquis | i'm not really sure... just know i've seen them on the roads |
| 19:30.32 | elg | i think suv or suv/sedan thing either way you're looking at about the same seating arrangement as a sedan |
| 19:30.41 | elg | a little more headroom |
| 19:30.43 | elg | and more trunk room |
| 19:30.53 | elg | but basically the same as a sedan but worse mileage |
| 19:31.00 | elg | the minivans otoh have more seating |
| 19:31.03 | maquis | i certainly won't have to think about it for a few more years, but i probably will eventually ahve to start looking at options for that... |
| 19:31.22 | elg | a sedan is fine for 2 kids. |
| 19:31.22 | tensai | elg: we get 23ish |
| 19:31.26 | maquis | elg: that makes sense |
| 19:31.40 | elg | tensai: see, my '91 honda accord gets 35 highway |
| 19:31.47 | tensai | being able to put the kids all the way across the car from each other, that's priceless |
| 19:32.09 | tensai | elg: yeah, nothing out there will compete with that |
| 19:32.10 | elg | but, honda's website claims a measly 30 highway for the new ones. don't know if that's an underestimate, if I just drive totally awesome, or if they're worse |
| 19:32.30 | tensai | on a road trip to oregon we did average 28 |
| 19:32.50 | maquis | hates driving in oregon |
| 19:32.58 | elg | tensai: we grew up in a suburban, but we had to add a seatbelt even then. so we didn't have extra space. this whole "kids across the car" thing is a bit foreign to me |
| 19:33.02 | tensai | hates gassing up in oregon |
| 19:33.14 | unum | ya the girl had to stop me |
| 19:33.15 | JoshH | loves oregon |
| 19:33.26 | unum | wish I had gassed up on the other side of the river |
| 19:33.43 | maquis | whoever decided that the speed limit on the freeway in oregon should be 55, and they should pull you over for going 57 was insane |
| 19:33.48 | tensai | time for another rant about unions? :) |
| 19:34.12 | TehLaser | eh, speed is overrated. |
| 19:34.14 | tensai | maquis: that trip we actually drove the gorge on the washington side. it was fun. |
| 19:34.16 | JoshH | likes the slower pace of oregon freeways |
| 19:34.36 | elg | maquis: insane, or just criminally greedy? |
| 19:34.40 | unum | we have a location in oregon, two of our employees(califorinia transplants) have been sharing stories |
| 19:34.42 | JoshH | you don't fear for your life like you do driving in utah |
| 19:34.43 | maquis | elg: good point |
| 19:34.56 | TehLaser | tends to take legacy because he prefers 55 and doesn't get bothered by people tailgating. |
| 19:35.06 | TehLaser | At least not nearly as much. |
| 19:35.16 | elg | JoshH: in new mexico you can easily drive 75 on the freeways with no fear for your life. more if you don't mind breaking the limit |
| 19:35.17 | TehLaser | The skunks suck though. |
| 19:35.19 | maquis | JoshH: true... but it's annoying when you keep forgetting |
| 19:35.36 | elg | utah driving is not so much about speed as just stupid drivers. when you add speed to the mix, it gets even more scary |
| 19:35.47 | JoshH | i took legacy for fun, went about 60, and almost got rammed off the road by several minivans |
| 19:36.01 | TehLaser | Really? I never have that problem. |
| 19:36.03 | elg | cruise control ftw |
| 19:36.17 | JoshH | it was on a saturday too |
| 19:36.23 | TehLaser | lacks air conditioning at the moment, so he rolls his windows down. |
| 19:36.30 | unum | I think the scariest thing about driving in utah are the armed drivers |
| 19:36.40 | TehLaser | This works much better at 55 than at the 70-75-80 that 15 typically goes. |
| 19:36.42 | tensai | superdell ftw! |
| 19:36.48 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 19:37.18 | unum | tensai: I think I work with in a quarter mile of his house |
| 19:37.22 | unum | trembles |
| 19:37.29 | unum | at least I don't live here anymore |
| 19:38.00 | TehLaser | eh, guns don't really scare me as long as they're neither pointed at me or in my hands. |
| 19:38.29 | JoshH | or in the hands of morons |
| 19:38.41 | JoshH | like the guy whose concealed gun went off inside the olive garden when he leaned down |
| 19:38.56 | maquis | how'd he do that? |
| 19:39.10 | maquis | and... uh... what direction did it go off? |
| 19:39.13 | JoshH | not sure, something to do with his holster, his fatrolls, and his posture |
| 19:39.14 | TehLaser | Didn't know about the safety? |
| 19:39.16 | JoshH | down to the floor |
| 19:39.37 | maquis | ok... down to the floor is good... but still bad that it went off |
| 19:39.38 | whiteley | what the heck is scary about an armed driver? |
| 19:39.47 | ^Migs^ | not sure |
| 19:39.50 | JoshH | i'm for gun rights, but i can't stand idiots who think they need to pack one and don't have a clue |
| 19:40.01 | whiteley | TehLaser proper guns have no safety. |
| 19:40.02 | TehLaser | the potential for road rage to experience escalation, whiteley. |
| 19:40.02 | elg | whiteley: dunno. sounds better than a parapalegic driver to me |
| 19:40.16 | unum | JoshH: how about the guy that shot the toilet at carles |
| 19:40.27 | JoshH | the only gun incidents i've heard about involving vehicles have been gang related, or superdell |
| 19:40.28 | tensai | I know Jayce^ likes to reload shells while driving |
| 19:40.43 | elg | ~rimshot |
| 19:40.44 | ibot | ba-dum CHH |
| 19:41.43 | unum | I live/work near superdell so I have fear |
| 19:42.10 | maquis | ~superdell? |
| 19:42.14 | maquis | ~superdell |
| 19:42.26 | maquis | ~wiki superdell |
| 19:43.03 | TehLaser | Didn't he run for governor or something? |
| 19:43.20 | unum | yes he did |
| 19:43.38 | unum | in one of his recent blog posts it looks like he might be running for city mayor |
| 19:43.48 | unum | which is why I was trying to figure out what city he lives in |
| 19:44.10 | Jayce^ | he was recently living in Saratoga |
| 19:44.32 | unum | whew that makes me feel better |
| 19:44.39 | TehLaser | got a robocall where he was going on about cars that ran on water and the evil oil conspiracy last election cycle. |
| 19:44.48 | TehLaser | It was... surreal. |
| 19:44.49 | unum | his governor application had an address with in two blocks of where I live |
| 19:44.55 | unum | his gun shop is near by |
| 19:45.16 | unum | TehLaser: did you get the one where he reffered to huntsman as the anti-christ |
| 19:45.50 | unum | "if we outlaw abortion we will have cars that run on whater" |
| 19:46.02 | whiteley | his 'bill of non-rights' was good, though not originally his. |
| 19:46.03 | unum | the funny thing is the LDS church has never pushed for laws against abortion |
| 19:46.20 | Jayce^ | they won't, that's not their position |
| 19:46.41 | unum | Jayce^: you know that, I know that, why doesn't anyone else know that |
| 19:46.45 | TehLaser | unum: nooooo... |
| 19:46.55 | TehLaser | I didn't listen to the whole thing though. |
| 19:47.07 | Jayce^ | unum: most do, they aren't completely against it, but they are against our current policies for it |
| 19:47.10 | unum | he changed it after people complained |
| 19:47.14 | whiteley | http://dellschanze.blogspot.com/2008/08/new-bill-of-non-rights.html |
| 19:47.41 | unum | but on his blog he'll still refer to huntsman as the anti-christ |
| 19:48.08 | TehLaser | is quite sad that Huntsman is leaving. |
| 19:48.24 | Jayce^ | eg, it's not a 'Right'... it is something that is a medical necessity at times |
| 19:48.31 | unum | dell fits my sterotype of a constitutionalist quite well |
| 19:48.38 | sjansen | ~lart Obama for stealing Huntsman |
| 19:48.38 | ibot | crushes Obama with a full height scsi disk for stealing Huntsman |
| 19:48.57 | sjansen | You know he's just getting back at Utah for not voting for him, don't you? |
| 19:49.08 | TehLaser | I rather suspect that Obama's trying to get him out of the way for 2012, actually. |
| 19:49.18 | unum | ya I think that was part of it |
| 19:49.23 | unum | but he was also a really good choice |
| 19:49.30 | TehLaser | Sure he could still run, but not as effectivley as if he were still governor. |
| 19:49.37 | TehLaser | unum: yeah, quite two-birds. |
| 19:50.29 | unum | I think he got more than two birds. it also appeals to independents since he's being bipartison |
| 19:50.49 | unum | it will be really interesting to see which way the republican party goes in 2012 |
| 19:51.19 | unum | I think the huntsman/powell's will have to win in the end |
| 19:51.21 | Jayce^ | eg, do they just become another democrat party (moreso) or actually grow a pair and stand for something :) |
| 19:51.29 | TehLaser | Probably "damn mexicans" |
| 19:52.27 | unum | I think they need to drop the religious wing of the party and focus on the pro-business/libertarian stuff |
| 19:52.40 | unum | the religious stuff is going to kill them if they stick to it |
| 19:52.45 | TehLaser | The national party seems to be heading in that direction lately, but maybe that's just the supreme court appointment rubbing the wrong way. |
| 19:53.29 | unum | they spent the last eight years voting for greater deficits. a lot of people are going to have to do an about face to pull it off. |
| 19:53.44 | unum | of course bennet is giving it his best. |
| 19:53.44 | Jayce^ | unum: that's the same thing they said about reagan, he was the 'crazy' taking things right... he was going to lose the party... I figure it was the one time they came closer to the correct direction |
| 19:53.57 | sjansen | So your saying that for the good of the Republican party, someone should convince Palin to start her own party? |
| 19:54.13 | unum | sjansen: Palin and Limbaugh |
| 19:54.24 | TehLaser | Neowhigs? |
| 19:54.31 | Jayce^ | sjansen: sure, I'd like to see more parties that actually have something to stand for, even the ones I don't agree in |
| 19:54.36 | Jayce^ | better than what we have now |
| 19:54.45 | unum | Jayce^: I'm saying they need to get back to talking about economics |
| 19:55.10 | TehLaser | unum: s/talking/actually doing something/ |
| 19:55.20 | unum | TehLaser: good point |
| 19:55.34 | unum | I wonder how much the civil liberties stuff bothers people. |
| 19:55.56 | unum | most right wingers don't seem to know about that stuff because they only get their news from organizations that filter that stuff |
| 19:56.07 | Jayce^ | unum: riiiiiiight |
| 19:56.31 | unum | Jayce^: hey I know the Obama has mostly let us civil libertarians down |
| 19:56.31 | TehLaser | Yeah. Plenty of talk about that lately, just about everywhere. |
| 19:56.42 | unum | which means the right might actually hear about that stuff now |
| 19:57.13 | Jayce^ | funny, I remember hearing it a *lot*.... |
| 19:57.32 | unum | about the domestic wiretapping? |
| 19:57.45 | Jayce^ | yes... amazing aint it.. |
| 19:57.49 | unum | the secret NSA rooms at AT&T? |
| 19:58.01 | sjansen | proposes forcefully relocating Limbaugh, Palin, O'Reilly, Ann Coulter and Nancy Grace to California before renaming it Crazistan and making it independent |
| 19:58.21 | Jayce^ | unum: you might find this hard to believe, but other people than you do *read* and *think* |
| 19:58.49 | unum | Jayce^: most right wing people I talk to don't read |
| 19:58.53 | unum | they tell me so frequently |
| 19:59.02 | unum | they get all of their news from talk radio |
| 19:59.12 | Jayce^ | unum: you are so full of crap in your own world, you'll need the space elevator to reach reality again |
| 19:59.26 | unum | the last four right wing people I have talked to about politics(out side of this room) have told me that |
| 19:59.29 | Jayce^ | you've painted your world to be the way you want |
| 19:59.47 | Jayce^ | just keep comforting yourself in bigotry, it's ok really... |
| 19:59.55 | TehLaser | was pretty impressed when even Dad stopped saying "He's the president, he must know something he can't tell us. We just have to trust him." about Bush and started asking questions about civil liberties. |
| 20:00.13 | unum | I'm not saying there aren't well read libertarians(I met a lot taking polisci at USU) |
| 20:00.53 | whiteley | unum is the guy who is afraid of armed drivers ... 'nuf said. |
| 20:01.09 | Jayce^ | whiteley: I know, I love being the one he fears :) |
| 20:01.39 | TehLaser | arming a stereotypical Utah driver is not something I like to think about. |
| 20:01.56 | TehLaser | A sane armed driver is fine. |
| 20:02.06 | unum | fears them -> http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7557222&page=1 |
| 20:02.09 | TehLaser | I'm just not so sure about the sane part around here. |
| 20:02.13 | sjansen | Beleiving in stereotypical Utah drivers doesn't help your case. |
| 20:02.17 | Jayce^ | TehLaser: shall we go back to the discussion the other day about who defines sanity :) |
| 20:02.27 | sjansen | I've driven a lot of places and seen bad driving in several of them. |
| 20:02.31 | Jayce^ | according to a few folks in here I'm the insane one aroudn here |
| 20:02.31 | TehLaser | wasn't here, but lets not. |
| 20:03.17 | Jayce^ | sjansen: good old brasilian drivers :) though I must say Phillipino's take the cake |
| 20:03.17 | sjansen | It's fun to complain about Utah drivers, but just about everyone complains about their local drivers. |
| 20:03.37 | Jayce^ | jeepnies <sp?> cause nightmares |
| 20:03.51 | TehLaser | Yes, and a hypermajority of drivers believe they're above-average drivers. |
| 20:04.01 | TehLaser | jeepnies? |
| 20:04.03 | Jayce^ | sjansen: and every western state complains about the CA drivers |
| 20:04.38 | Jayce^ | TehLaser: old/modified jeeps and such in the phillipenes, they have right of way.. period... |
| 20:04.47 | Jayce^ | even against each other :) |
| 20:07.08 | sjansen | unum: That article is tragic, but doesn't prove anything. |
| 20:08.24 | Sargun | CA drivers suck, I'll agree |
| 20:08.42 | unum | sjansen: I just said I was scared of them |
| 20:08.44 | unum | that's all |
| 20:09.37 | sjansen | You might just as well be afraid of the chupacabra. |
| 20:10.12 | tensai | chupacabra, where?a!? |
| 20:10.39 | unum | I believe that regulating fire arms is ineffective, but I do wonder what we can do to fix the culture that creates people like that |
| 20:11.01 | sjansen | At this point, there's more evidence supporting the chupacabra theory than the crazy, gun toting Utah driver theory. |
| 20:11.33 | unum | I think superdell makes the case for the crazy, gun toting Utah driver |
| 20:11.46 | Jayce^ | sjansen: when you were in brasil, did you ever hear of the Tres coracoes theories? |
| 20:12.01 | sjansen | Jayce^: Do tell. |
| 20:12.20 | Jayce^ | kinda the equivilant of our area 51, but they also think there is a chupacabra there |
| 20:12.27 | sjansen | unum: My point exactly. You have one data point, chupacabra has many. |
| 20:12.29 | Jayce^ | lotsa alien/ufo stories |
| 20:12.43 | Jayce^ | in southern MG, my mision |
| 20:12.48 | unum | sjansen: I'm just saying one exists. and he scares me. |
| 20:12.51 | Jayce^ | Pele's hometown |
| 20:13.01 | unum | I wasn't the one that said all of them were crazy |
| 20:13.16 | unum | it only takes one to shoot me. |
| 20:13.18 | sjansen | Besides, I'd hardly call Super Dell a Utahn. He might live here currently, but it's obvious he was grown in a vat by aliens. |
| 20:13.51 | sinuhe | sjansen: Super Dell would not be out of place in some towns in central Utah. |
| 20:14.08 | unum | I'd feel a lot better if I knew he was currently residing in utah valley, I never drive down there |
| 20:14.08 | sinuhe | I'm not contesting the vat, however |
| 20:14.35 | sinuhe | unum: Utah valley is not that crazy. |
| 20:14.47 | unum | ya, La Verkin would be a pretty good fit |
| 20:15.05 | unum | sinuhe: I may not have a representive sample for my utah valley fear |
| 20:17.01 | sjansen | unum: No, it just makes you feel better about yourself to make broad assumption about others, doesn't it? |
| 20:17.30 | unum | sjansen: no it just makes me feel better about where I live |
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| 20:28.13 | Jayce^ | feh, hate it when things go all wrong at once... |
| 20:28.24 | sjansen | ~taunt Jayce^ |
| 20:28.24 | ibot | ACTION taunts Jayce^ a second time |
| 20:28.35 | Jayce^ | was installing new drives into a raid-1, mirror off a bunch of old data, etc.. |
| 20:28.53 | Jayce^ | one of the new drives immediately starts clicking as I'm copying over... |
| 20:29.12 | Jayce^ | figure not that bad, I have one extra, will just finish the copy, then swap it |
| 20:29.24 | Jayce^ | then all of the sudden big errors start flying... |
| 20:29.51 | Jayce^ | one of the drives I still have to copy from dies.. hard.. |
| 20:29.56 | Jayce^ | full lockup hard |
| 20:30.17 | Jayce^ | was my home dir :( |
| 20:31.03 | Jayce^ | somehow if I now have it plugged in, my driver *freaks* and begins massive spewage before totally locking the system |
| 20:49.16 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA |
| 21:14.52 | elg | -lart emcn |
| 21:14.52 | brac | forces emcn to use emacs for text editing |
| 21:14.57 | elg | missed |
| 21:14.59 | elg | drat |
| 21:16.19 | TehLaser | Anyone know a good rent lawyer to write a nastygram to my landlady? |
| 21:16.41 | TehLaser | She just decided she's keeping my $1000 deposit because she can. |
| 21:17.30 | Jayce^ | you could check some of the legalzoom/et al for cheap pre-written ones |
| 21:17.34 | Jayce^ | common case |
| 21:17.48 | Jayce^ | most of those are contracts, but some have basic response templates |
| 21:19.29 | synic | eggyknap: pong |
| 21:20.01 | TehLaser | The letterhead it's written on is probably more important than the text. |
| 21:20.51 | TehLaser | I mostly need her to realize I'm not just going to go away. Proof that I paid a lawyer should do that. |
| 21:23.19 | elg | the company that manages our apts has a reputation for being tight with the deposit. we've pondered just not bothering cleaning and all that and let them keep it |
| 21:23.49 | elg | since the alternative is bust our chops trying to clean it and still not getting much of the deposit |
| 21:27.53 | tensai | elg: they might just send you a bill for the extra cleaning costs |
| 21:28.10 | elg | well we'd check the contract of course, and do our contractual part |
| 21:29.31 | tensai | elg: I assume they have monthly cleaning inspections like they do at byu right? |
| 21:29.39 | elg | ha! |
| 21:29.53 | unum | they inspect the apartments at BYU once a month? |
| 21:29.56 | tensai | I mean, that's not just some outrageous invasion of privacy that byu manages to get away with |
| 21:29.59 | unum | that places never ceases to amaze me |
| 21:30.23 | elg | unum: yup. most singles places |
| 21:30.37 | elg | happily lived with family and didn't have to deal with the housing situation |
| 21:30.47 | unum | at USU I think they did it towards the end of the semester |
| 21:30.52 | unum | but that was only in the dorms |
| 21:31.01 | unum | i lived in one place for 5 years and the guy never checked it |
| 21:31.08 | tensai | that's why most byu students get married so early. so they can leave anywhere they want. |
| 21:31.14 | elg | I don't know if I could have stomached it. But I shouldn't kid myself. I was as willing to roll over as any zoobie when I was that youn |
| 21:31.15 | elg | g |
| 21:31.31 | sjansen | When I was a freshman, I resented the monthly cleaning checks. Eventually sad experience taught me to appreciate them. |
| 21:31.46 | unum | with the wrong roommates I would want one |
| 21:32.47 | tensai | s/leave/live/ |
| 21:35.13 | ^Migs^ | I'm pretty sure there's other reasons, tensai |
| 21:36.18 | ^Migs^ | And BYU is a private university. They can do what they want. If you don't like it, don't attend the school. |
| 21:36.54 | ^Migs^ | They're pretty upfront about the rules. There's no room to complain about rules you agree to follow in the first place. |
| 21:38.52 | unum | I think tensai was just trying to be funny |
| 21:39.51 | elg | that a whole bunch of zoobies are clamoring to agree to their crazy terms doesn't mean the terms aren't insane. it just means the zoobies are. :) |
| 21:39.53 | tensai | depends on which part. yes they do have inspections. yes I think it's crazy they get away with it. |
| 21:39.56 | bgerber | I wish they had them when I attended. We were a student apartment till they rented to an old drunk. |
| 21:40.12 | bgerber | Saddly I had to share a room with them. It made study really hard. |
| 21:40.22 | unum | I forgot tensai was the one who made the earlier statement |
| 21:40.53 | unum | bgerber: they didn't make all the students move out? |
| 21:40.54 | bgerber | we had 5 BYU students and one 50+ man who was always drunk. |
| 21:41.36 | bgerber | We had year contracts. The 6 person they forced on us only had a month to month. |
| 21:41.55 | bgerber | the 6 was the drunk. |
| 21:42.43 | bgerber | We complained but it did not good. If I remember he smoked in the room even though the apartment was non smoking. |
| 21:43.28 | ^Migs^ | BYU is hardly the strictest college out there, anyway |
| 21:44.06 | ^Migs^ | when did you attend, bgerber? |
| 21:44.35 | bgerber | 1978-79 |
| 21:45.18 | ^Migs^ | whoa, I wasn't even alive then |
| 21:45.39 | ^Migs^ | erm, I mean, cool |
| 21:45.49 | sjansen | ~punish ^Migs^ |
| 21:45.50 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to install and use Windows |
| 21:46.01 | ^Migs^ | ~migs sjansen |
| 21:46.02 | ibot | ACTION forces sjansen to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 21:46.29 | sjansen | goes rummaging around for his shotgun and shouting-at-kids shoes |
| 21:48.34 | bgerber | then u of u |
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| 22:26.53 | maquis | ^Migs^: byu is *definitely* not the strictest college |
| 22:27.21 | maquis | i read about one where students had to sign out in order to go off-campus on a weekend, and they had to list exactly where they were going, who they would be with, etc |
| 22:27.44 | maquis | and if the school found out they weren't where they said they'd be, they could get into trouble.... |
| 22:28.14 | maquis | but they weren't allowed to go to certain places (like public beaches, because some people might be wearing too scanty of swimsuits there) |
| 22:28.27 | maquis | and males and females (even brothers/sisters) couldn't have any physical contact whatsoever |
| 22:30.14 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I think I know which one you're talking about...some Christian school |
| 22:30.18 | ^Migs^ | crap, what's it called? |
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| 22:31.04 | ^Migs^ | Penascola Christian College...that's it |
| 22:31.54 | ^Migs^ | and what's more, it isn't even accredited |
| 22:31.54 | maquis | yeah |
| 22:31.54 | ^Migs^ | at least BYU has a good rep |
| 22:31.54 | ^Migs^ | http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i29/29a04001.htm |
| 22:32.12 | maquis | and liberty university just banned the college democrats from their campus... |
| 22:32.19 | maquis | so, yeah... byu isn't that bad overall :) |
| 22:32.33 | ^Migs^ | "Even couples who are not talking or touching can be reprimanded. Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" â staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies." While the rule does not appear in written form, most students interviewed for this article were familiar with the concept." |
| 22:32.35 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 22:33.07 | ^Migs^ | I fail to see what's wrong with banning democrats from any campus |
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| 22:33.48 | maquis | ^Migs^: lol... i remember reading that one at some point... |
| 22:33.52 | maquis | got a laugh out of it... |
| 22:34.10 | maquis | it's so sad and wrong that it's actually funny that they can get into trouble for that |
| 22:34.49 | maquis | if that was against the rules at byu... uh... 90% of the student body would be in trouble |
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| 22:35.51 | ^Migs^ | again, they CHOOSE to be there |
| 22:36.05 | ^Migs^ | so obviously they can't complain if they break the rules they agreed to follow. No one to blame but themselves. |
| 22:48.32 | maquis | ^Migs^: sure, but i wouldn't be surprised if some have family pressure, etc... |
| 22:49.02 | maquis | i've seen enough kids at byu who really didn't want to be there, wanted to go someplace else, but ended up there due to family pressure |
| 22:53.49 | maquis | http://notalwaysright.com/it-only-works-if-youre-the-fed/2033 |
| 22:54.01 | maquis | http://notalwaysright.com/wham-bam-thank-you/2035 |
| 22:54.36 | maquis | people scare me |
| 22:55.00 | maquis | the most frightening thing about notalwaysright.com is that it's generally true |
| 23:20.05 | elg | wow that college is worse than being a missionary |
| 23:31.10 | maquis | elg: i recommend reading about it... it's amazing... |
| 23:39.12 | maquis | vim question |
| 23:39.38 | maquis | is there some way to let vim know that when i say ':q' with multiple buffers open, I don't want it to close them all? |
| 23:40.35 | maquis | i keep hitting :q instead of :bw, and then i lose all the buffers i have open (assuming they don't have unsaved changes) |
| 23:40.39 | maquis | which is a massive pain |
| 23:41.15 | maquis | particularly when working with a new codebase where i don't yet know where files are |
| 23:42.02 | jsmith-teaching | Hmmmmn... vim seems to keep my buffers for me between sessions |
| 23:42.39 | maquis | jsmith: really? do you have something in your vimrc that tells it to do that? or some specific vim plugin? |
| 23:44.40 | jsmith | maquis: No, my vimrc is pretty stripped down... |
| 23:44.53 | maquis | and no plugins? |
| 23:44.56 | maquis | hmmm |
| 23:45.02 | maquis | it doesn't save that for me :( |
| 23:47.10 | jsmith | Don't know what to tell you |
| 23:48.19 | maquis | :( |