| 01:30.13 | eggyknap | beelzebob: perhapse <${$hash{fh}}> |
| 01:30.22 | eggyknap | should know this right off, but is tired today |
| 01:32.06 | tensai | is enjoying 5000ms RTTs |
| 01:32.11 | tensai | sure makes the voip sound trippy |
| 01:36.40 | Sargun_screen | tensai: why do you have that much latency? |
| 01:38.14 | tensai | Sargun_screen: dunno. that's why I called my ISP. |
| 01:38.37 | tensai | but they just dumped me to voicemail and now my latency has recovered |
| 01:40.31 | Sargun_screen | lol |
| 01:40.48 | Sargun_screen | must love the internet |
| 01:42.57 | jsmith | tensai: Sounds like my ISP |
| 01:43.23 | tensai | jsmith: the latency part or the voicemail part? |
| 01:43.29 | tensai | or heaven forbid, both |
| 01:44.01 | jsmith | tensai: The latency part... I'd never even get to voicemail.... just the same annoying hold music for hours on end |
| 01:45.26 | tensai | it's bad enough I'm even considering moving to cable. not quite bad enough to think about returning to qwest though, but I'm getting there. |
| 01:45.54 | Tene | Anyone in here fond of VNV Nation? |
| 01:56.48 | Sargun_screen | what is vnv nation |
| 02:19.03 | beelzebob | eggyknap: I already got it: @output = readline $hash{'fh'}; |
| 02:19.06 | beelzebob | :) |
| 02:22.29 | tristanbob | anyone recommend a webcam for skype-type activities |
| 02:24.41 | Sargun_screen | playstation eye |
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| 02:58.11 | Zelut | Anyone know why I can't get perl to find modules via a macports installed version of perl? |
| 02:58.35 | Zelut | i've tried the port installation and cpan installation, but when I run my script it fails on unable to find WWW::Mechanize. |
| 03:00.14 | eggyknap | Presumably Mechanize.pm exists in a WWW directory somewhere, then? |
| 03:03.19 | Zelut | its in /opt/local/lib/... but its not looking at the ports path for perl |
| 03:03.32 | tensai | use lib /opt/local/lib/? |
| 03:03.57 | Zelut | which perl shows the macports version.. but modules aren't looking there. |
| 03:04.00 | Zelut | tensai: i'll try that |
| 03:05.16 | tensai | that would be use lib "/opt/local/lib"; |
| 03:05.37 | tensai | Zelut: slight syntax correction |
| 03:05.51 | tensai | that's what I get for shooting from the hib |
| 03:05.55 | tensai | s/b/p/ |
| 03:06.02 | Zelut | well its now looking in that path, but its not finding it.. |
| 03:06.04 | Zelut | http://pastebin.com/d244d030c |
| 03:06.37 | Zelut | opt/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.9/WWW/Mechanize.pm ..perhaps I need a longer path--more specific. |
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| 03:08.50 | tensai | it probably would work with /opt/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.9 |
| 03:09.02 | tensai | to be honest I'm not sure how all the site_perl and versioning stuff works |
| 03:09.38 | Zelut | I suppose I could try to pull out the macports perl and try core perl + cpan.. |
| 03:09.49 | tensai | once time I had a non-cpan module installed and after I upgraded perl the module stopped being found. I had to reinstall the module to get the directories were correct. |
| 03:09.58 | eggyknap | Alternatively, modify your $INC environment variable. |
| 03:10.22 | Zelut | eggyknap: I apparently have no $INC env variable.. |
| 03:10.28 | tensai | eggyknap: as I understand it, that's what use lib does |
| 03:10.50 | eggyknap | Then set one, and put /opt/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.9 in it :) But yes, "use lib" should do the same thing, IIUI |
| 03:10.59 | Zelut | http://pastebin.com/d57f3fa12 |
| 03:11.09 | tensai | Zelut: you can see that your @INC shows the perl version is 5.8.8 but your module is referencing 5.8.9 |
| 03:11.46 | Zelut | tensai: even after adding the use lib "/path/to/5.8.9/" its still not finding it. |
| 03:11.51 | eggyknap | Also, I'd kill the "WWW/" in the /opt/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.9 entry |
| 03:12.03 | tensai | yeah, what he said |
| 03:12.12 | eggyknap | Anyway, I have a messy kitchen with my name on it. Gotta run. Enjoy, all... |
| 03:12.23 | tensai | you could also symlink 5.8.8 to 5.8.9 |
| 03:12.32 | Zelut | @INC contains: /opt/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.9/ |
| 03:12.36 | Zelut | ..still no joy |
| 03:13.02 | tensai | you could move WWW to one of those paths |
| 03:13.43 | tensai | I'd go for /Library/Perl |
| 03:15.03 | tensai | jsmith-away: they called back and left me a voicemail just after they closed |
| 03:19.46 | Zelut | hmm.. I can't pull out the macports Perl unless I yank out a bunch of other stuff too. |
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| 03:23.26 | Zelut | ha! figured out what my problem was. |
| 03:24.01 | Zelut | I just pulled this script over from another machine. first line: #!/usr/bin/perl. change that to my perl and things start working. |
| 03:24.04 | Zelut | oops |
| 03:26.20 | tensai | elg: 13 pedals (a full octave) |
| 03:26.30 | elg | that's not too bad |
| 03:26.37 | elg | you can practice some music with that |
| 03:26.37 | tensai | elg: I'm gonna go give it a try tomorrow |
| 03:26.40 | elg | not all, but sme |
| 03:27.20 | tensai | hymns certainly. those tend to be pretty simple. |
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| 03:27.36 | elg | what was that? my mouse got nibbly |
| 03:27.52 | tensai | elg: that x button in the corner of the window does that |
| 03:28.21 | tensai | I'm trying my hand at lilyponding the fugue from bwv 552 |
| 03:28.30 | elg | sniggers. "We aren't perfect. We often swear, act unresponsively, and can certainly be characterized as unprofessional a lot of the time" |
| 03:28.37 | elg | i think he means irresponsibly |
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| 03:28.51 | elg | i think what rock star programmers certainly *don't* do is act "unresponsively" |
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| 03:50.56 | dataw0lf | elg: haha, excellent point. |
| 03:51.32 | dataw0lf | does anyone know if they use an embedded language for individual tracks? Lua? Python? Custom DSL perhaps? |
| 03:51.40 | dataw0lf | never looked into it. |
| 03:51.48 | elg | tracks? |
| 03:52.34 | dataw0lf | man. I'm drinking. I read that as "rock band". |
| 03:52.41 | dataw0lf | The joke even makes sense. |
| 03:52.42 | dataw0lf | Whew. |
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| 03:56.03 | dataw0lf | I briefly scanned the window and saw "x button", "practice some music", and your statement. Pretty ridiculous. |
| 03:59.25 | elg | tensai: that's ambitious |
| 03:59.44 | elg | dataw0lf: i still don't get it, but I'm sure it's hilarious. ;-) |
| 03:59.47 | elg | ~laugh |
| 03:59.48 | ibot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 04:00.26 | dataw0lf | elg: The Rock Band game. I thought you were quoting a Rock Band developer. |
| 04:00.39 | tensai | I can see that |
| 04:00.54 | tensai | elg: yes, possibly. just doing one page for now (25 measures). we'll see. |
| 04:00.57 | dataw0lf | (it helps that I've been reading Dan Schmidt's site lately - smart Rock Band developer) |
| 04:01.11 | elg | wonders if he should talk himself into springing the $10 for internet in his room |
| 04:01.12 | dataw0lf | sup tensai |
| 04:01.15 | elg | (it's free in the lobby) |
| 04:01.23 | dataw0lf | elg: where you at? |
| 04:01.27 | elg | frisco |
| 04:01.30 | elg | palo alto actually |
| 04:01.31 | dataw0lf | besides the lobby :) |
| 04:01.34 | dataw0lf | ah sweet. |
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| 04:01.45 | dataw0lf | need to go down to frisco for dentistry this weekend. |
| 04:01.50 | dataw0lf | (I'm in Tahoe/Reno) |
| 04:01.50 | elg | it's really nice here. trees everywhere, green, beautiful weather |
| 04:01.58 | dataw0lf | yea great area. |
| 04:02.02 | tensai | it impresses me that you're even considering $10 for Internet |
| 04:02.21 | dataw0lf | tensai: internet in underwear is not to be underestimated. |
| 04:02.35 | tensai | true true, but this is elg after all |
| 04:02.50 | elg | interviewed at facebook today |
| 04:02.58 | dataw0lf | oh nice. but... php? |
| 04:03.15 | elg | not all their code is php, but yeah |
| 04:03.16 | tensai | something tells me they don't hire phd candidates to code php |
| 04:03.36 | dataw0lf | tensai: well I'm sure facebook's PHP is better than... well, PHP. |
| 04:03.40 | elg | most of the backend stuff where I'd probably end up is in c++ |
| 04:03.58 | elg | they also use java, python, and erlang |
| 04:04.04 | dataw0lf | erlang? really? |
| 04:04.13 | elg | yeah. the chat stuff is all erlang iirc |
| 04:04.17 | tensai | dataw0lf: I would sure hope so. it is possible to write decent php. it just oh so easy to not. |
| 04:04.18 | elg | the backend of it at least |
| 04:04.20 | dataw0lf | wow, that's cool. |
| 04:04.37 | elg | i think ruby 1.8.6 is also on the list |
| 04:04.42 | dataw0lf | tensai: indeed. it's like trying to shoot around an elephant in between you and a target. |
| 04:04.45 | elg | but nobody i've talked to yet uses ruby |
| 04:04.49 | dataw0lf | 1.9++ |
| 04:05.19 | elg | the odd thing about the interview is that afaict I didn't talk to anybody in charge of anything |
| 04:05.23 | tensai | ~dataw0lf++ |
| 04:05.25 | dataw0lf | I've been smarmy of Ruby in the past but I've grown to love and respect it in the past couple years. |
| 04:05.32 | elg | 4 devs interviewed me at varying levels of technicalness |
| 04:05.41 | elg | maybe they were 4 supervisor-ish devs |
| 04:05.42 | dataw0lf | elg: well, I don't know if that's a bad thing or not. |
| 04:05.47 | elg | they weren't on the same project |
| 04:06.03 | elg | and the recruiter. it was all preplanned |
| 04:06.13 | tensai | as if they *knew* you were coming |
| 04:06.19 | dataw0lf | dun dun duuuuuun |
| 04:06.35 | elg | dataw0lf: i used to be a ruby fanboi in the past, and now I simply like it and like to use it in the appropriate places |
| 04:06.45 | elg | so i guess we could both be said to have moved to center ;) |
| 04:06.48 | dataw0lf | QuinStreet was similar when I interviewed there. Four devs, then a marketing team leader (which was a hilarious interview) |
| 04:06.55 | dataw0lf | elg: haha, indeed. |
| 04:07.07 | dataw0lf | I still use Python for _almost_ anything. |
| 04:07.14 | dataw0lf | But there's so many cool things in Ruby! |
| 04:07.26 | dataw0lf | RSpec, Shoes, Camping, etc |
| 04:07.35 | elg | ~heart camping |
| 04:07.36 | ibot | I ⤠camping |
| 04:07.42 | elg | camping is so hilariously useful |
| 04:08.09 | dataw0lf | indeed. I've written like ten Camping apps at the newspaper I've worked at. |
| 04:08.12 | elg | i still use ruby for just about everything I need to whip up out of momentum |
| 04:08.14 | dataw0lf | <3 it |
| 04:08.45 | dataw0lf | s/I've worked/I work/ |
| 04:08.56 | tensai | ruby is cool. I just never got into it and perl serves all the needs I have. |
| 04:09.04 | dataw0lf | elg: any RSpec or BDD in general? |
| 04:09.14 | elg | tensai: so they're going to let me know the next step or whatever in a week or two |
| 04:09.26 | dataw0lf | oh, Cucumber++ too |
| 04:09.34 | elg | i participated on a little project that used rspec. I wasn't overly impressed |
| 04:09.46 | dataw0lf | really? I'm in love with the DSL. |
| 04:10.02 | elg | i got the whole "words are important" thing and all, but to me it just boiled down to a different testing syntax and the one I already knew already worked fine |
| 04:10.31 | dataw0lf | it's true for the most part. BDD stresses mocks more, I think, though. |
| 04:10.48 | dataw0lf | I dunno, BDD definitely makes the "test-first" paradigm easier for me conceptually. |
| 04:10.50 | elg | but the tests I tend to write (I tend to undertest by any "serious" rubyist's standards) were behavior tests already |
| 04:11.05 | dataw0lf | yea, I tend to undertest too. |
| 04:11.06 | elg | yeah, I don't write tests that don't test behavior |
| 04:11.09 | elg | there's no point |
| 04:11.12 | dataw0lf | agreed |
| 04:11.35 | tensai | I guess I do use some ruby with Puppet. the puppet config is some kind of extended ruby syntax. |
| 04:11.49 | dataw0lf | tensai: that's what Ruby is best at. "extended syntax". |
| 04:12.15 | tensai | Puppet rocks, so I believe it |
| 04:12.48 | dataw0lf | I came on here at this newspaper as a Python guy and the other lead developer is a Ruby guy. I've really picked up a lot of good habits/skills from him, I'm pretty thankful. |
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| 04:12.55 | elg | oh, and I got an invite to interview at google |
| 04:13.05 | dataw0lf | elg: I interviewed at Google. |
| 04:13.18 | elg | "in the next week or two" as of last friday |
| 04:13.24 | dataw0lf | it was fairly intense, I was pretty impressed. |
| 04:13.29 | elg | but he hasn't returned my email ... |
| 04:13.40 | elg | so probably next week at this rate |
| 04:13.53 | elg | at the manhattan office |
| 04:14.05 | elg | facebook wasn't as intense as I'd anticipated |
| 04:14.25 | dataw0lf | I was pretty amazed I got so far and was accepted at the Google interview so much (haven't finished my B.S.) |
| 04:14.36 | dataw0lf | pretty casual at facebook? |
| 04:14.39 | elg | oh, it was hard at times - one interviewer asked a genuinely hard question (and he was freakin' brilliant. the others were smart but he was brilliant) |
| 04:14.54 | dataw0lf | haha, yea, you definitely notice that divide. |
| 04:15.04 | elg | another asked me to code up a linear equation system solver |
| 04:15.17 | elg | which made me look real dumb as I couldn't even remember how to solve a linear equation system by hand |
| 04:15.22 | elg | was never any good at linear algebra |
| 04:15.35 | dataw0lf | haha, hear, hear. |
| 04:15.37 | elg | but once i had her remind me how to do it by hand I did the code well enough I think |
| 04:15.54 | dataw0lf | yea I always need that push with the theoretical math stuff. |
| 04:16.38 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> http://utos.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | UTOSC 2009 Dates and Venue - http://tinyurl.com/utosc2009-venue | findlay has tied the knot. congrats! |
| 04:16.48 | dataw0lf | oh wow, congrats findlay. |
| 04:17.46 | dataw0lf | elg: I'm about to finish my B.S. though, taking some classes over the internet here, and then a couple I HAVE to finish at Purdue. |
| 04:17.54 | dataw0lf | Should be finished by December though. |
| 04:17.59 | dataw0lf | crosses his fingers. |
| 04:18.08 | dataw0lf | Hard to do when you're working full-time professionally. |
| 04:18.10 | elg | it's cool to be invited even without an offer |
| 04:18.52 | dataw0lf | so what position were you interviewing for? backend stuff like what? database stuff? caching engine? ? |
| 04:19.09 | tensai | dataw0lf: levi just completed his BS |
| 04:19.31 | dataw0lf | tensai: yea, I think I saw that in here. Pretty awesome. |
| 04:19.31 | elg | at facebook? it's a machine learning type position, so backend stuff, but I get the impression it's more of a "join the team as an engineer" sort of thing |
| 04:19.40 | dataw0lf | elg: ah gotcha. |
| 04:19.44 | elg | like google |
| 04:19.47 | tensai | if I hadn't finished mine then, I doubt I ever would have later |
| 04:19.47 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 04:19.55 | dataw0lf | tensai: it's hard, hehe. |
| 04:19.57 | elg | but maybe not quite as detached as google, since the whole thing is smaller |
| 04:20.01 | tensai | definitely in awe of anybody who can |
| 04:20.35 | dataw0lf | I did some classes while I was in the military but I was deployed so much... hard to complete compiler theory when you're boots in the sand 18 hours out of the day. |
| 04:21.07 | tensai | also in awe of that :) |
| 04:21.49 | dataw0lf | psh, I neglected my CS knowledge so much in the Army, I spent another year out of it making up what I had forgotten. Should've stayed more on top of it. |
| 04:22.57 | dataw0lf | elg: I'm sure facebook would be an awesome company to work for, I'm pretty impressed with their generations of APIs/base, no matter what the users say ;-) |
| 04:23.39 | elg | the unanimous consensus of all the fb peeps I've talked to about what's so great about working there is the short development cycle |
| 04:23.45 | tensai | elg: if it counts for anything tell them you're the one who convinced me to join facebook |
| 04:23.58 | elg | an idea can go from ethereal to live within a week, and they all seem to really like that. |
| 04:24.05 | elg | hehe |
| 04:24.19 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 04:24.45 | dataw0lf | tensai: what's your full name? I'm gonna add you :P |
| 04:26.56 | elg | well i'm going to bed now so the internet question is moot (gotta leave at 7 to catch the plane home) |
| 04:27.10 | elg | i got up at 3:30 this morning |
| 04:27.12 | elg | or 5:30 |
| 04:27.13 | elg | or 2:30 |
| 04:27.17 | elg | depending on which time zone |
| 04:27.43 | elg | went from living in eastern to mountain to pacific in the space of 24 hours |
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| 05:25.32 | dataw0lf | aw yea, I'm up to 50 pullups. |
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| 08:28.52 | keldwud | oh wait, n/m |
| 08:30.41 | Sargun | who are you |
| 08:31.38 | keldwud | nobody important |
| 08:31.42 | keldwud | who are you? |
| 08:32.13 | keldwud | maybe there is something wrong with my memory, because I seem to remember a Sargun |
| 08:32.43 | Sargun | ~seen keldwud |
| 08:32.44 | ibot | keldwud is currently on #utah (6m 32s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 31s, last said: 'maybe there is something wrong with my memory, because I seem to remember a Sargun'. |
| 08:32.48 | Sargun | ah? |
| 08:33.25 | keldwud | it's been more than a few months |
| 08:33.40 | keldwud | hey, what's your favorite light-weight terminal? |
| 08:33.49 | keldwud | I'm not happy with the default terminal in ubuntu |
| 08:35.07 | Sargun | Terminal |
| 08:35.13 | Sargun | I like Konsole |
| 08:35.16 | keldwud | mrxvt? |
| 08:35.19 | Sargun | Terminal is pretty light weight |
| 08:35.39 | keldwud | that's the one I'm not liking |
| 08:35.42 | Sargun | ah |
| 08:35.43 | Sargun | fail |
| 08:35.46 | keldwud | yeah |
| 08:36.03 | keldwud | I had one that I installed on my xandros dist, but I forgot what it was |
| 08:36.17 | keldwud | terminal fails with default settings for nethack |
| 08:36.30 | Sargun | you play nethack? |
| 08:36.58 | keldwud | maybe I should try xterm |
| 08:37.06 | keldwud | yes, I play nethack. We've had this discussion before |
| 08:37.32 | keldwud | I'm really concerned that maybe I'm normal if I can remember speaking to you in this channel before |
| 08:37.39 | keldwud | *not normal |
| 08:41.04 | Sargun | We did talk |
| 08:41.37 | keldwud | ah, ok :) |
| 08:42.01 | keldwud | yes, I play nethack. Haven't played in months, though. Getting back into the groove, hopefully. |
| 08:42.17 | keldwud | been trying out that Battle for Wesnoth game. |
| 08:45.54 | Sargun | uhm, how old are you |
| 08:46.18 | keldwud | a/s/l plz |
| 08:46.26 | keldwud | laughs |
| 08:46.45 | Sargun | ... |
| 08:46.52 | Sargun | I'm guessing you're 11? |
| 08:47.19 | keldwud | yes, with a comment like a/s/l that proves my maturity level is far beneath the norm. Also, you totally just burned me. |
| 08:47.39 | keldwud | By pointing out that I am not acting nor typing like a mature adult. ;) |
| 08:48.03 | keldwud | That would place you somewhere between the ages of 17 and 23 |
| 08:48.21 | keldwud | That joke is a favorite of that age group. |
| 08:49.32 | Sargun | Well, I was being sarcastic. |
| 08:49.37 | keldwud | :) |
| 08:49.38 | Sargun | Haha |
| 08:49.49 | Sargun | you pinned me. |
| 08:49.50 | Sargun | 18. |
| 08:50.04 | keldwud | You can definitely peg me at 11 because my favorite jokes are "Your mom" and "your face" |
| 08:50.08 | Sargun | I'm guessing you're an old man, and trying to be young again, remembering your old nethack day. |
| 08:50.09 | Sargun | days |
| 08:50.16 | keldwud | haha. Nothing of the sort. |
| 08:50.47 | keldwud | I may have played it a few times before, but only in the last year have I started to really explore the game |
| 08:50.57 | keldwud | I was too young to appreciate it before |
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| 14:54.56 | goozbach | heeeddo |
| 15:03.23 | jsmith | goozbach: Buenos tacos, amigo... |
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| 15:46.41 | Sargun_screen | good tacoss, friend? |
| 15:48.49 | goozbach | yes, bood gagos? |
| 15:50.11 | Sargun_screen | gagos? |
| 15:50.29 | Sargun_screen | tacos that make you gag? |
| 15:50.53 | goozbach | not gag |
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| 15:51.03 | goozbach | my brain hurt |
| 15:51.24 | Sargun_screen | you have a brain? |
| 15:53.43 | jsmith | goozbach: You sound like you've got gauze in your mouth, too |
| 15:55.44 | goozbach | too? |
| 15:56.04 | goozbach | make you an obber you campt repusse? |
| 15:57.46 | jsmith | Well, I know that too much MySQL will do that to you :-p |
| 15:57.58 | jsmith | makes goozbach's brain hurt even worse |
| 15:59.01 | goozbach | jsmith: I wrote a F5 load balancer monitor for mysql yesterday |
| 15:59.04 | goozbach | how did you know? |
| 15:59.30 | jsmith | goozbach: Because you told the cloud |
| 15:59.42 | jsmith | goozbach: and the cloud told me! |
| 15:59.46 | goozbach | ohh yeah twittenti |
| 16:00.11 | jsmith | The good ol' twitterati |
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| 16:08.33 | synic | eggyknap: so, do you guys do custom bucardo setups for companies? |
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| 16:10.43 | eggyknap | synic: yep. |
| 16:11.05 | synic | I see, what's the rate? |
| 16:11.44 | eggyknap | Good question :) I just do the setups, not the sales. Mind if I hook you up w/ someone who does? |
| 16:12.10 | synic | that'd be great |
| 16:13.23 | eggyknap | Gimme a sec to find the folks in question. I'm in the midst of a phone demo, and might get sidetracked in the middle of my trying... :) |
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| 17:23.29 | dataw0lf | oooO bucardo. |
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| 18:30.17 | Sargun | How many people here have wanted to strangle a vendor? |
| 18:32.03 | dataw0lf | one time I knocked over a vending machine |
| 18:39.03 | Sargun | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 18:39.03 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into dataw0lf's ear |
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| 19:13.23 | sjansen | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090513/ap_on_fe_st/odd_rotten_office_food |
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| 20:22.57 | jsmith | sjansen: I'll try to hold back my comments regarding AT&T :-p |
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| 20:33.43 | sjansen | jsmith: Are you implying that _you_ planted the moldy food? |
| 20:34.19 | jsmith | sjansen: If I did, it would be really stinky now, as I haven't been to San Jose in over a year :-p |
| 20:34.58 | sjansen | No doubt stinky enough to send people to the hospital. |
| 20:37.35 | jsmith | Well, I did have some really good Malasian food last time I was there... |
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| 20:56.50 | goozbach | oh boy! |
| 21:05.03 | eightyeight | will */50 * * * * run every 50 minutes, like you'd think, or will cron reset at the hour, causing it to run 50 past the hour every hour? |
| 21:06.08 | eightyeight | rather than wait 100 minutes, i figure it would be faster to ask here |
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| 21:13.57 | unum | I'm going to say once an hour at 50 after |
| 21:16.56 | unum | http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1242042&page=1 |
| 21:18.51 | goozbach | eightyeight: fifty after the hour every hour |
| 21:19.00 | goozbach | as I understand the cron format |
| 21:19.27 | goozbach | (the "/" format is the same as 0,50 ...) |
| 21:19.48 | eightyeight | if i do '*/3 * * * *' then it will run every 3 minutes |
| 21:20.51 | jsmith | goozbach: The slash is *not* the same as a comma |
| 21:21.05 | eightyeight | but, 60 is divisible by 3 |
| 21:21.17 | jsmith | goozbach: But /50 means "If the minute is evenly divisible by 50 with no remainder" |
| 21:21.29 | goozbach | from the cron 5 manpage: |
| 21:21.31 | goozbach | Step values can be used in conjunction with ranges. Following a range with "<number>" specifies skips of |
| 21:21.33 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.35 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.35 | jsmith | goozbach: So, since 50 is the online minute evenly divisible by 50, it will run at 50 after the hour |
| 21:21.37 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.18 | eightyeight | ultimately, we'll see what cron will do. i have one setup for */31 |
| 21:22.44 | goozbach | the way I read it is start with <range> and skip the "divisor" |
| 21:23.14 | goozbach | */2 is the same as 0-60/2 which is the same as 0,2,4,6,8,10... |
| 21:23.51 | jsmith | goozbach: Right, because 0, 2, 4, 6 are all evenly divisible by 2 |
| 21:24.14 | goozbach | it's not a divisior it's an iterater value |
| 21:24.19 | goozbach | that's my contention |
| 21:25.07 | goozbach | pseudocode to turn a "*/2" into comma values as follows: |
| 21:25.21 | unum | so */50 should run at exactly the same time as 0,50 as goozbach said |
| 21:25.27 | goozbach | turn * into "first"-"last" |
| 21:25.29 | unum | even though /!=, |
| 21:25.37 | maquis | yawns |
| 21:25.47 | goozbach | minute field first last is 0 and 60 |
| 21:25.58 | goozbach | so it becomes 0-60/2 |
| 21:25.59 | jsmith | unum: I agree.... / != , but they'd both run at (and only at) 50 after the hour |
| 21:26.08 | goozbach | 0 and 50 |
| 21:26.12 | jsmith | 0-59, but who is counting :-p |
| 21:26.23 | unum | why wouldn't they run at 0 |
| 21:26.39 | goozbach | start at 0 add "divsor" to value and write until reaching "last" |
| 21:27.11 | goozbach | 0, (+2)2, (+2)4, (+2)6,.... |
| 21:27.27 | goozbach | hence */50 is 0-60/50 |
| 21:27.32 | goozbach | or 0,50 ..... |
| 21:27.51 | eightyeight | 00:50, 01:40, 02:30, etc? |
| 21:27.56 | unum | no |
| 21:28.12 | goozbach | nope |
| 21:28.20 | unum | 00:00,00:50,01:00,01:50 |
| 21:28.35 | goozbach | real time would be: 00:00, 00:50, 01:00, 01:50 |
| 21:28.51 | eightyeight | right |
| 21:29.33 | goozbach | not adding 50 each time because of the logic which says "go from 'first' to 'last'" |
| 21:29.41 | goozbach | 50+50 > 60 |
| 21:29.44 | eightyeight | understood |
| 21:29.46 | goozbach | so it doesn't get set |
| 21:30.12 | goozbach | only way I know of doing something every 50sec is like this: |
| 21:30.25 | goozbach | while true; do |
| 21:30.44 | goozbach | echo "50 min have passed" |
| 21:31.04 | goozbach | sleep 3000 |
| 21:31.06 | goozbach | done |
| 21:31.49 | unum | or run the script every ten minutes and have counter that you reset after 5 times |
| 21:32.23 | unum | or have some other way of telling when the script was last ran |
| 21:33.00 | eightyeight | */10 would work, if the logic in the script was implemented correctly |
| 21:33.12 | goozbach | have it run every 10 min and look at date |
| 21:33.30 | goozbach | ohh nevermind |
| 21:33.37 | goozbach | my thought was going elsewhere |
| 21:34.12 | unum | if you are copying file somewhere you can look at the modification date |
| 21:34.34 | goozbach | lockfile with last run date |
| 21:34.41 | goozbach | run every ten minutes |
| 21:34.53 | goozbach | exit if not elapased 50 min |
| 21:35.20 | unum | ya you could just touch it |
| 21:36.51 | goozbach | yeah I suppose so |
| 21:37.06 | goozbach | but then there's the case where someone/something updates the modtime |
| 21:37.23 | goozbach | having the value *INSIDE* the file protects it somewhat |
| 21:37.50 | eightyeight | interesting discussion nonetheless |
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| 22:37.05 | elg | http://www.myregisblog.com/2009/05/new-autobiography.html |
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| 22:43.16 | sjansen | To the tune of Waltzing Matilda: |
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| 22:43.42 | sjansen | o/~ Oopsing Fedora, Oopsing Fedora, You'll come a oopsing Fedora with me... ~/o |
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| 22:45.38 | eightyeight | elg: what is the point of that post? |
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| 22:45.46 | elg | it's a pun |
| 22:45.57 | eightyeight | he doesn't like seal? the booked is sealed? |
| 22:45.58 | elg | "I cannot read a seal(ed) book" |
| 22:46.01 | eightyeight | ok |
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| 23:21.17 | wps_ | good afternoon, getns |
| 23:21.22 | wps_ | may I ask a favor? |
| 23:21.27 | wps_ | My mom is a finalist is a messiest food storage pantry contest |
| 23:21.30 | wps_ | She is neck and neck with one other contestant |
| 23:21.35 | wps_ | Would you be willing to follow this link and vote for her? |
| 23:21.51 | mgeary | dude, totally! |
| 23:21.58 | mgeary | that's way cool |
| 23:22.03 | wps_ | :) |
| 23:22.04 | wps_ | her name is "Cathryn S." |
| 23:22.10 | wps_ | http://www.shelfreliance.com/blog/ |
| 23:22.24 | wps_ | I believe she should win the contest, but not just because she is my mother. Her food storage room has no shelves. All of her stores are pilled waist deep on the floor. You canât even get into the room to retrieve items, let alone consider rotating stock. While the other contestants do have messy pantries, they at least have shelves. My mom needs these shelves and I believe deserves to win the most. It's also not fair that they put up a collage of |
| 23:23.16 | Jayce^ | notes that he's already voted :) |
| 23:24.20 | mgeary | voted |
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| 23:35.43 | Sargun_screen | did not vote. |
| 23:36.14 | mgeary | do it |
| 23:36.17 | mgeary | she's only 1 vote shy now |
| 23:36.22 | Sargun_screen | I'm working on it. |
| 23:36.23 | Sargun_screen | I have a slow connection. |
| 23:36.28 | mgeary | well, one vote shy of a tie |
| 23:36.37 | Sargun_screen | Whose idea was this? |
| 23:36.38 | mgeary | though i think the thing runs for a few more days |
| 23:36.50 | mgeary | wps' mom is in the competition |
| 23:37.01 | Sargun_screen | ponders the idea of pulling a 4chan. |
| 23:37.10 | mgeary | heh |
| 23:37.11 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.11 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.11 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.11 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.11 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.12 | mgeary | that might backfire |
| 23:37.21 | mgeary | hey, she's got the lead now |
| 23:37.41 | Sargun_screen | your mom's picture isn't very good though :-/ |
| 23:37.49 | mgeary | it's not my mom's, it's wps' |
| 23:37.52 | Sargun_screen | she needs a wider shot. |
| 23:37.59 | Sargun_screen | Let's call you wPS. |
| 23:38.00 | Sargun_screen | WPS |
| 23:38.13 | Sargun_screen | Anyways, she needs a better photograph. |
| 23:38.32 | mgeary | knows wps from #uphpu |
| 23:38.43 | mgeary | but i aint him |
| 23:38.51 | mgeary | just ask herlo, jsmith-away, dataw0lf, etc. |
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| 23:49.38 | dataw0lf | mgeary: communicating with Sargun is only slightly better than trying to have a conversation with a bot. |
| 23:49.52 | mgeary | hahah |
| 23:52.35 | Sargun_screen | She's 40 votes ahead. |
| 23:52.53 | mgeary | never mess with a nerd's mom |