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| 02:30.21 | goozbach | me thinks the problem stems from Miss Faraday more and less from the computers themselves... :) |
| 02:30.48 | Sargun_screen | ? |
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| 02:39.31 | goozbach | maquis understands what I'm saying |
| 02:41.32 | Sargun_screen | heh |
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| 05:19.44 | tensai | elg: ping |
| 05:23.53 | tensai | ~wake elg |
| 05:23.54 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on elg and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 07:10.16 | Supaplex | ~wake electrical substation powering ibot |
| 07:10.17 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on electrical substation powering ibot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 07:28.14 | Sargun | o.O |
| 07:28.26 | Sargun | Supaplex, you woke "ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION POWERING iBOT" |
| 07:28.38 | Supaplex | ibot shorted it out. :) |
| 07:28.53 | Supaplex | ... must have a ups or something. |
| 07:31.10 | Sargun | Supaplex, what do you know about BGPd and NAT failover? |
| 07:32.30 | Supaplex | you'd have to sync nat/session states to the fail over device before it could transparently assume them. otherwise existing sessions would have to be reset. could cause interesting issues with stateless traffic. (udp etc) |
| 07:36.57 | Sargun | hm |
| 07:37.08 | Sargun | This is turning out to be a lot more complicated than I thought |
| 07:37.11 | Sargun | and I'm sleepy. |
| 07:40.09 | Supaplex | but JUNOS with enhanced services does session replication between cluster nodes. |
| 07:40.23 | Supaplex | stateful firewall + NAT + transparent failover |
| 07:40.32 | Sargun | yeah |
| 07:40.34 | Supaplex | and everything else you'd expect from JUNOS. |
| 07:40.38 | Sargun | I'm trying to do it with Vyatta |
| 07:40.40 | Sargun | We're fucking poor. |
| 07:40.51 | Sargun | And everything if falling apart underneath me. |
| 07:40.54 | Sargun | It's quite nice. |
| 07:41.08 | Supaplex | ^.^ yikes. |
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| 08:57.22 | levidos | hello |
| 08:57.40 | levidos | can anyone help me with bind9 troubleshooting, please? |
| 09:00.17 | Sargun | no |
| 09:00.45 | Supaplex | ~lart bind9 |
| 09:00.45 | ibot | --purges bind9 |
| 09:00.53 | Supaplex | problem solved. :) |
| 09:01.00 | Supaplex | ^5's ibot and Sargun |
| 09:02.49 | Supaplex | !htasq |
| 09:02.55 | Supaplex | ~htasq |
| 09:02.56 | ibot | it has been said that htasq is "How to ask smart questions." A fantastic FAQ regarding more effective ways to asking support/help related questions. If someone suggested it, you should search for it online, study it, and come back with wiser before asking a less effective question. |
| 09:03.18 | Supaplex | ~htasq =~ s/with wiser/wiser/ |
| 09:03.18 | ibot | Supaplex: OK |
| 10:08.45 | elg | tensai: catch me tonight |
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| 13:36.52 | elg | -lart tensai |
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| 13:43.00 | jsmith | elg: That's just mean :-) |
| 13:56.28 | elg | <-- not really impressed with disney world |
| 13:56.33 | tensai | jsmith: it's fine since I never use tums |
| 13:57.27 | tensai | my wife keeps trying to drag me off to disneyland but I'm just not interested |
| 13:57.29 | jsmith | elg: That's because you didn't take the Segway tour |
| 13:58.07 | elg | disneyworld: all the boring parts of disneyland strung together and multiplied, plus it's hot and humid |
| 13:58.20 | elg | disneyland: all the boring parts of theme parks that are actually cool |
| 13:59.22 | elg | i think there's two ways to enjoy disneyworld: be rich enough to really truly not worry about money and be able to dish out the money for the special stuff and dining and such |
| 13:59.50 | elg | or live there and sneak in/get deals/work there/whatever and go during the winter or whenever it's not busy |
| 14:00.08 | elg | i suppose being a 10 year old child is a pretty good strategy too |
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| 15:02.13 | synic | eggyknap: you using bucardo? |
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| 15:23.09 | eggyknap | synic: yep, in several places. |
| 15:23.23 | eggyknap | disclaimer: I work for the company that wrote it, and am a committer on the project |
| 15:26.38 | goozbach | wishes he could just up and switch from mysql to postgres |
| 15:26.41 | unum | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/07/AR2009050702839.html?nav=rss_politics |
| 15:26.43 | brac | [Mayor's lip hair in shave-or-save battle - washingtonpost.com] |
| 15:27.42 | unum | I should stop by on my way home from work |
| 15:27.48 | jsmith | goozbach: I feel for you, man... |
| 15:29.18 | unum | ^Migs^: what did you do to your server? |
| 15:29.34 | ^Migs^ | what server? |
| 15:29.39 | goozbach | sequoia looks promising |
| 15:29.47 | unum | are you the one that works for alpine? |
| 15:30.01 | goozbach | move to that as middleware, then off to postgres or whatever other database I want. |
| 15:30.03 | ^Migs^ | No |
| 15:30.05 | ^Migs^ | I work for Weber |
| 15:30.14 | unum | oops, who was it that worked for alpine? |
| 15:31.01 | ^Migs^ | I believe it was sjansen |
| 15:31.07 | jsmith | goozbach: But.... it's.... uh.... 100% Java! |
| 15:31.13 | ^Migs^ | or Tene maybe |
| 15:31.20 | unum | thanks, sorry about the mix up |
| 15:31.31 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it was Tene doing the contract job |
| 15:31.45 | goozbach | jsmith: I know |
| 15:31.50 | ^Migs^ | Weber has a proper IT department. |
| 15:31.51 | goozbach | I'm saying the idea is good |
| 15:31.57 | goozbach | put middleware in place |
| 15:32.05 | goozbach | then it doesn't matter which DB we use |
| 15:32.45 | unum | Tene: what did you do to your server |
| 15:32.53 | unum | I guess he may not be there anymore |
| 15:33.06 | jsmith | goozbach: Depends on the middleware, and how much database-specific code you have written |
| 15:33.17 | jsmith | goozbach: It also impacts performance, for obvious reasons |
| 15:36.44 | goozbach | yeah, but poor performance is better than 1.5hour outagaes! |
| 15:37.01 | goozbach | it's 12 years of mysql specific code |
| 15:37.07 | goozbach | it's NGH |
| 15:37.08 | goozbach | at all |
| 15:37.13 | goozbach | ~NGH? |
| 15:37.34 | goozbach | ibot: nhg is <reply> Not Gonna Happen. |
| 15:37.35 | ibot | goozbach: okay |
| 15:37.39 | goozbach | ~NGH? |
| 15:37.47 | goozbach | ibot: ngh |
| 15:37.52 | goozbach | stupid bot |
| 15:39.21 | unum | goozbach: you typed nhg when you gave him the command |
| 15:39.27 | unum | ~NHG |
| 15:39.28 | ibot | Not Gonna Happen. |
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| 15:42.43 | goozbach | hah |
| 15:42.48 | goozbach | stupid goozbach |
| 15:45.27 | eggyknap | goozbach: late response, but the thing about sequoia is that it's query-based. Functions run in the query might not mean the same thing on each server in the cluster, for instance. |
| 15:45.32 | eggyknap | e.g. NOW() |
| 15:46.16 | eggyknap | Also, the difficulty with "it doesn't matter what database we use" is you can never use anything but the least-common denominator database. |
| 15:46.24 | goozbach | ahh |
| 15:46.31 | eggyknap | Or rather, anything but features that exist in the least-common denominator |
| 15:46.36 | goozbach | well anyhow I need a new master/master solution for mysql |
| 15:46.50 | goozbach | I've been using MMM but it's not reliable enough |
| 15:47.15 | goozbach | we've had three failures in the last couple months that the MMM script wasn't able to recover from properly |
| 15:47.38 | eggyknap | Frankly, master-master, unless well-designed, scares me. It's easy to mangle any multi-master asynchronous setup (including with Bucardo, I should add) |
| 15:47.50 | jsmith | goozbach: As long as you're re-writing things... don't forget that you may want to be prepared for something like Drizzle or Percona in a future anyway (/me laughs!) |
| 15:48.07 | jsmith | eggyknap: Amen, brother! |
| 15:48.26 | eggyknap | ...for some definition of "future", including "within the next, oh, century or so" |
| 15:49.18 | jsmith | eggyknap: Obviously :-) And while I'll probably never write anything for either Drizzle or Percona (knock on wood!), I don't wanna preclude goozbach from being prepared |
| 15:49.27 | jsmith | eggyknap: After all, I know that goozbach is a good Boy Scout |
| 15:49.33 | eggyknap | heh ;) |
| 15:54.28 | levi | jsmith: Are you the one that started the sprinkler controller thread? |
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| 15:56.02 | ^Migs^ | http://www.webertube.com/video/2113/-quot-slap-chop-quot--rap&media_edit=true |
| 15:56.36 | jsmith | levi: I hope not! I live in a place where heaven waters our lawn, not hoses! |
| 15:56.53 | jsmith | levi: That was Dave Smith |
| 15:57.23 | jsmith | levi: (And on a side note... we've had 3-1/2 inches of rain in the past eleven days) |
| 15:58.04 | levi | Ahh, yeah. |
| 15:58.12 | levi | I knew it was one of you Smith types. |
| 15:58.33 | jsmith | Hey, is Smith a new stereotype? What exactly do you mean by "Smith types"? |
| 15:59.09 | levi | I mean exactly that you've both got 'Smith' in your name, nothing more. :) |
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| 16:08.17 | goozbach | I was able to google Drizzle, but what's Percona? |
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| 16:10.01 | jsmith | YAS.... Yet Another Spork |
| 16:10.16 | goozbach | ohh |
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| 16:35.10 | Tene | unum: I did some contracting for alpine... why? |
| 16:35.46 | unum | Tene: I heard they were having some trouble with a server and just wanted to give you a bad time |
| 16:35.59 | unum | but if you don't work for them currently that takes the fun out of it |
| 16:36.13 | synic | have any of you worked with multipathd? |
| 16:36.26 | Tene | I've never worked for them? no. |
| 16:37.15 | unum | it doesn't sound like their IT guys are too bright.... |
| 16:40.27 | Tene | no comMent. I only met one. |
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| 17:50.54 | unum | this months exciting UGOTTA meeting is wikis |
| 17:51.34 | unum | I wonder if anyone will show, my blog meeting had decent results |
| 18:26.08 | levi | What's UGOTTA? |
| 18:44.24 | goozbach | http://io9.com/5249712/mega-shark-vs-giant-octopus-the-trailer?autoplay=true |
| 18:44.30 | goozbach | must see movie of the year! |
| 19:01.31 | Sargun | hi |
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| 19:33.31 | sjansen | ~ping google.com |
| 19:33.31 | ibot | pong google.com |
| 19:37.19 | sjansen | For some reason I can't reach google or gmail. |
| 19:37.31 | sjansen | It's so long since I've used anything else for search, I feel lost. |
| 19:37.42 | sjansen | ... |
| 19:37.48 | goozbach | sjansen: yahoo.com |
| 19:38.12 | sjansen | On a related note, turns out Hot Bot and Alta Vista still exist. |
| 19:38.13 | eightyeight | hold the phone. sjansen has a gmail account? |
| 19:38.27 | sinuhe | ask.com |
| 19:38.52 | goozbach | altavista? |
| 19:38.54 | goozbach | wow! |
| 19:39.38 | sjansen | Can't reach blogspot either. Isn't that a google product? |
| 19:40.16 | goozbach | yup |
| 19:40.24 | goozbach | aparently google DNS issues?? |
| 19:41.57 | sjansen | Not DNS. |
| 19:42.14 | sjansen | My guess is a routing issue upstream. |
| 19:43.22 | Sargun | There were a lot of DNS issues yesterday |
| 19:43.33 | fadein | it's the chinese! |
| 19:43.41 | fadein | or the russians |
| 19:44.24 | jsmith | sjansen: Hmmmn... I can get to Google sites just fine |
| 19:44.53 | jsmith | sjansen: Gmail, blogspot, the whole nine yards |
| 19:45.08 | goozbach | sjansen's ISP is seceeding from the internet! |
| 19:45.20 | goozbach | goodby sjansen, we'll miss you |
| 19:45.22 | sinuhe | goozbach: I'm getting the issue, too. |
| 19:45.35 | jsmith | Upstream provider problem? |
| 19:45.36 | Sargun | google.com has address 74.125.45.100 |
| 19:45.36 | Sargun | google.com has address 209.85.171.100 |
| 19:45.36 | Sargun | google.com has address 74.125.67.100 |
| 19:45.36 | Sargun | google.com mail is handled by 10 smtp2.google.com. |
| 19:45.36 | Sargun | google.com mail is handled by 10 smtp3.google.com. |
| 19:45.36 | Sargun | google.com mail is handled by 10 smtp4.google.com. |
| 19:45.38 | sjansen | sinuhe: Well, we are using the same Internet connection... |
| 19:45.38 | Sargun | google.com mail is handled by 10 smtp1.google.com. |
| 19:45.47 | sinuhe | sjansen: Precisely. |
| 19:45.51 | Sargun | everything is fine here |
| 19:45.52 | goozbach | sinuhe: farewell to thee as well |
| 19:46.54 | sjansen | sinuhe and I are on a qwest link. |
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| 19:47.31 | sjansen | tracepath shows the connection falling into a blackhole somewhere in Sprint's network. |
| 19:47.44 | goozbach | qwest! you'll rue the day you went up against Sprint! |
| 19:47.53 | goozbach | qwest and sprint fighting? |
| 19:47.55 | Sargun | I'd post to the outages-ml. |
| 19:48.43 | sjansen | Looks like Qwest just changed its peering. |
| 19:48.45 | Sargun | goozbach, unlikely that sprint would intentionally send malicious routes to a peer (Qwest) |
| 19:48.59 | sjansen | I was going to compare tracepath and traceroute. |
| 19:49.24 | sjansen | The traceroute paused for a moment, then went through AT&T instead of Sprint. |
| 19:49.28 | sjansen | Google is now working. |
| 19:49.34 | Sargun | I'm happily chugging along fine |
| 19:50.37 | sjansen | I choose to believe that my traceroute fixed the Internet. |
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| 20:35.47 | unum | so if you wanted to send out a few hundred text messages across a few states to people with a lot of different phone companies, how would you do it? |
| 20:38.48 | maquis | unum: email the phones |
| 20:39.36 | unum | maquis: is there a way to look up which service provider they have based off of the number? |
| 20:39.56 | jsmith | unum: Not a cheap way, no :-/ |
| 20:47.19 | unum | so you can just send the number to each providers email address and ignore the bounce backs :) |
| 20:58.16 | thesuperbigfrog | unum: if you don't mind an intermediate, twitter might work. Depends on your use case |
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| 21:05.20 | jsmith | unum: See #utaug |
| 21:11.00 | maquis | thesuperbigfrog: that's only if they want the messages |
| 21:11.15 | maquis | :) |
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| 23:45.50 | beelzebob | stupid perl question... I'm storing a filehandle in a hash, how can I read from it? |
| 23:46.02 | beelzebob | open ($hash{'fh'}, "who |"); |
| 23:46.16 | beelzebob | @output = <$hash{'fh'}>; <-does not work |
| 23:47.21 | beelzebob | I've looked up scads of dereferencing / filehandle stuff, but I can't find the magic incantation |
| 23:56.47 | beelzebob | looks like I have to use readline explicitely... |
| 23:59.54 | beelzebob | I'm not a perl person, but it seems like perl has too many 'shortcuts' |