| 00:01.36 | maquis | :) |
| 00:02.09 | harleypig | -A gives me more info, but it's not ASCII, or not completely so. I don't see any of the text that's on the page being displayed. |
| 00:07.49 | maquis | "paper bags and angry voices... under a sky of dust... another wave of tension... has more than filled me up..." o/~ |
| 00:08.55 | maquis | o/) |
| 00:09.02 | maquis | hmmm... that one might actually work better |
| 00:09.14 | maquis | i guess it may depend on fonts, though |
| 00:13.43 | harleypig | yay ... thanks to Sargun's help (and further perusing of the documents) I've found it: |
| 00:13.46 | harleypig | tcpdump -A -s 0 dst 192.168.50.170 or dst 192.168.50.86 |
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| 01:52.11 | systematical | anyone in here dealt with hashmap in java before? |
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| 02:08.57 | goozbach | harleypig: what about me |
| 02:09.03 | goozbach | I helped with the dst |
| 02:09.08 | goozbach | feels left out |
| 02:09.13 | goozbach | :) |
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| 15:45.01 | emcnabb | redbeard2, hey |
| 15:45.01 | redbeard2 | emcnabb: hey duder |
| 15:45.22 | emcnabb | I haven't seen your pings |
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| 16:47.11 | harleypig | happy sink o' the nile! |
| 16:54.31 | harleypig | http://pictureisunrelated.com/ |
| 16:55.11 | goozbach | isn't it "happy stink o' denial"? |
| 16:55.45 | harleypig | http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?edp=45824636 |
| 16:55.51 | harleypig | goozbach: heh |
| 16:56.12 | harleypig | HP 2133 Mini-Note 1GHz Netbook w/ Webcam $199 for the next 60 hours. |
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| 18:26.55 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkHm8uUuT0o |
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| 18:35.04 | sjansen | ~steal elg's voice |
| 18:35.04 | ibot | ACTION grabs elg's voice and gives it to sjansen |
| 18:35.08 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:35.08 | brac | resizes emcnabb's terminal to 40x24 |
| 18:35.18 | elg | ~glare sjansen |
| 18:35.19 | ibot | ACTION glares at sjansen |
| 18:35.28 | emcnabb | elg, get back to work |
| 18:35.32 | sjansen | ~mourn "the good old days" |
| 18:35.33 | ibot | ACTION lights some candles for "the good old days" |
| 18:35.54 | elg | watch it or i'll throw something out of the plane window tomorrow and hit your house |
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| 18:49.36 | goozbach | there you've stolen elg's voice |
| 19:11.34 | Sargun | steals goozbach's +o |
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| 19:16.38 | sjansen | ponders which great truths to reveal using elg's voice |
| 19:17.03 | goozbach | nothing quite like a commedically timed kick |
| 19:18.41 | Sargun | you have tourettes (sp?)? |
| 19:19.10 | elg | -chat |
| 19:19.11 | brac | Go read the whole nick / URL line, including any comments made in the next podcast in the butt of a reference for it in a while. I liked the early days, but these days than in our band either. |
| 19:20.11 | goozbach | how is elg going to talk now? |
| 19:20.17 | goozbach | what have i DONE!? |
| 19:20.26 | goozbach | he'll never dissertate properly now! |
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| 19:25.24 | sjansen | ~flunk elg |
| 19:25.25 | ibot | ACTION shoves a dunce cap on elg then encourages everyone to point and laugh |
| 19:39.57 | sjansen | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/keating/ |
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| 20:37.00 | harleypig | anyone had any experience using errordocument and scriptalias in a redhat environment? |
| 20:38.23 | sjansen | Still fighting that? |
| 20:38.33 | harleypig | yeah, but I've gotten further along. |
| 20:38.50 | harleypig | I think it's a problem with redhat. |
| 20:39.01 | harleypig | or, rather, redhat's distribution of apache. |
| 20:40.47 | harleypig | This script works fine with the same directives on my linode server using 2.2.8-1ubuntumumble but is having problems with 2.2.3-11elmumble on our rhel5 server. |
| 20:42.42 | harleypig | In both cases the code runs, emails and sms' are sent as expected. On the company server though, the client (firefox, konq, wget, GET) nothing but the headers are retrieved. |
| 20:44.24 | Sargun | I really have learned to dislike RH/CentOS |
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| 20:54.46 | sjansen | Sargun: I know what you mean. Enhanced security, long term maintenance, commitment to the community. I can see how it would make you feel inadequate in comparison. |
| 20:55.33 | Sargun | Well, rather RH modified software... especially, http://blog.vipul.net/2008/08/24/redhat-perl-what-a-tragedy/ |
| 20:57.29 | sjansen | *shrug* No one uses Perl anymore anyway. |
| 20:57.36 | goozbach | I use perl |
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| 20:57.42 | goozbach | perl is being used everywhere |
| 20:57.46 | gtresa1783h | hi |
| 20:57.57 | gtresa1783h | anyone here |
| 20:58.10 | harleypig | sjansen is trolling! |
| 20:58.15 | harleypig | gtresa1783h: nope |
| 20:58.24 | gtresa1783h | whats trolling mean? |
| 20:58.26 | harleypig | we're all bots. |
| 20:58.34 | gtresa1783h | ok |
| 20:58.49 | gtresa1783h | does anyone know of some websites like sourceforge.net that i can get some linux programs from.? |
| 20:58.54 | harleypig | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) |
| 20:59.07 | gtresa1783h | ok |
| 20:59.11 | harleypig | you mean sourceforge.net? |
| 20:59.24 | gtresa1783h | yes |
| 20:59.32 | harleypig | That's a good site for linux programs. |
| 20:59.53 | toofer | Sargun: btw, that bug has supposedly been closed if I'm reading this correctly, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379791 |
| 20:59.54 | gtresa1783h | yes but i came accross another one and i didnt bookmark it |
| 21:00.07 | harleypig | gtresa1783h: freshmeat.net ? |
| 21:00.14 | maquis | gtresa1783h: what distro you running? |
| 21:00.18 | Sargun | toofer, Its still in our production environment |
| 21:00.25 | maquis | and are there specific apps you're looking for? |
| 21:00.28 | gtresa1783h | i have ubuntu 9.04 |
| 21:00.32 | goozbach | gtresa1783h: freshmeat, sourceforge, github, google? |
| 21:00.34 | Sargun | toofer, and we cannot update because engineering doesn't support the update. |
| 21:00.40 | goozbach | apt-get? |
| 21:00.52 | gtresa1783h | i want some games |
| 21:00.55 | maquis | i find that if i know what i'm looking for, google is often a better source for me than looking just in freshmeat and sourceforge (although i do check aptitude first, of course) |
| 21:01.02 | gtresa1783h | not just open source but PD |
| 21:01.06 | maquis | gtresa1783h: bzflag and nethack are both good :) |
| 21:01.09 | toofer | Sargun: sucky |
| 21:01.13 | Sargun | toofer, Seconded. |
| 21:01.28 | gtresa1783h | ok thanks i'll try those |
| 21:01.34 | maquis | they're very different, btw |
| 21:01.42 | Sargun | Even though RH is supposed to be all backwards compatible and stuff, it occasionally breaks |
| 21:01.51 | maquis | bzflag is a tank game... you'll want to have your graphics card working for that one |
| 21:02.03 | gtresa1783h | i only have a laptop |
| 21:02.04 | maquis | nethack... you don't even need X working for... but it's exceptionally addictive |
| 21:02.12 | gtresa1783h | so prob wont work |
| 21:02.16 | maquis | gtresa1783h: you can get a graphics card working well enough for bzflag |
| 21:02.22 | maquis | on a laptop |
| 21:02.33 | gtresa1783h | mine is a intel built in thing |
| 21:02.38 | Sargun | BZFlag is awesome. |
| 21:02.44 | goozbach | oh yeah, and scorched3D |
| 21:02.54 | maquis | ooh... intel... that sucks... if you turn off all the special graphics, it kinda sorta works on an intel card, but it's pretty painful... |
| 21:02.57 | gtresa1783h | that was originally on the Amiga |
| 21:03.02 | goozbach | ohh loves me some scorched3d |
| 21:03.08 | Sargun | unless you have a larabee |
| 21:03.20 | maquis | nethack is worthwhile regardless, though... don't need nothing special for that... |
| 21:03.35 | gtresa1783h | ok thanks |
| 21:03.56 | gtresa1783h | do you know more web sites i'm looking for PD not open source |
| 21:04.18 | maquis | hmmm. |
| 21:04.42 | maquis | i generally play open source games.... you could try some of the non-free repos in ubuntu, though (they have those like debian does, right?) |
| 21:04.58 | Sargun | maquis, Isn't quake open source |
| 21:05.00 | gtresa1783h | i wouldn't knowi'm new to linux |
| 21:05.03 | Sargun | has a sad graphics card |
| 21:05.04 | maquis | i think the game released by the US army is PD, not open-source... |
| 21:05.14 | maquis | Sargun: dunno |
| 21:05.23 | maquis | doom's another option |
| 21:05.23 | Sargun | sh: lspci: command not found |
| 21:05.27 | Sargun | sh: /sbin/lspci: No such file or directory |
| 21:05.30 | Sargun | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 065c (rev a1) |
| 21:05.41 | Sargun | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96M [Quadro FX 770M] (rev a1) |
| 21:06.05 | maquis | Sargun: that's nvidia! i've always been able to get nvidia to work okay... |
| 21:06.22 | Sargun | maquis, looking problems. |
| 21:06.26 | gtresa1783h | do i type in that to find my graphic card.? --> /sbin/lspci: |
| 21:06.36 | Sargun | maquis, I mean, cooling problems. |
| 21:06.42 | maquis | gtresa: just run lspci |
| 21:06.43 | Sargun | gtresa1783h, post your lspci. |
| 21:06.53 | gtresa1783h | ok hold on |
| 21:07.07 | maquis | gtresa1783h: welcome to linux, btw... |
| 21:07.22 | Sargun | Just type "/exec -o /usr/sbin/lspci" >:-) (No, don't) |
| 21:07.23 | maquis | don't worry if we seem to be going too fast on stuff... just tell us to slow down and we can :) |
| 21:07.48 | maquis | and read all of what Sargun says (including the "no, don't") before running anything he suggests :P |
| 21:08.05 | gtresa1783h | ispci didnt work |
| 21:08.09 | Sargun | lspci |
| 21:08.13 | maquis | l like L |
| 21:08.16 | Sargun | gtresa1783h, running it as rood? |
| 21:08.18 | Sargun | root? |
| 21:08.23 | toofer | gtresa1783h: Don't paste here, paste in like postbin.com or something. It may cause a flood and kick you out. |
| 21:08.25 | Sargun | Man, I'm having word confusion problems |
| 21:08.31 | maquis | commands are almost always lowercase |
| 21:08.36 | gtresa1783h | ok |
| 21:08.43 | Sargun | toofer, I don't think we have flood control, except the +os |
| 21:08.54 | maquis | won't kick a newbie |
| 21:09.01 | toofer | Sargun: But the server has automatic flood control I think. |
| 21:09.15 | maquis | toofer: good point :) |
| 21:09.17 | goozbach | I suck so bad at nethack |
| 21:09.24 | gtresa1783h | ok hold on it worked, i though it was an i |
| 21:10.04 | harleypig | guana? |
| 21:10.18 | gtresa1783h | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 21:10.30 | gtresa1783h | thats what it says |
| 21:11.27 | gtresa1783h | it doesn't give any more info |
| 21:12.17 | Sargun | that's enough |
| 21:12.50 | gtresa1783h | ok all i can say is that i put 128mb of ram from the bios onto it |
| 21:13.27 | Sargun | VRAM is a terrible way to measure graphics performane |
| 21:13.30 | Sargun | performance |
| 21:13.39 | gtresa1783h | i have a lot of programs that wont run |
| 21:13.54 | gtresa1783h | especially that tux racer game |
| 21:14.57 | gtresa1783h | where as i installed unreal 2 using wine to run and its really fast |
| 21:15.17 | Sargun | unreal is on Linux as well |
| 21:15.33 | Sargun | * games-fps/unreal-tournament |
| 21:15.33 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.33 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.33 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.49 | gtresa1783h | i had it as a 4 game pack from my old win pc |
| 21:15.52 | Sargun | ah |
| 21:16.16 | gtresa1783h | alot of games dont work with wine because they request the game disc? |
| 21:16.32 | gtresa1783h | even though its original and ive installed them |
| 21:17.01 | toofer | oooh, UT2004 was awesome. |
| 21:17.04 | gtresa1783h | they dont even work with the virtual box |
| 21:17.16 | gtresa1783h | yes it is |
| 21:18.28 | tensai | if they request the disk, it's probably the copy protection that's getting in your way |
| 21:18.45 | toofer | Sargun: So in the article you linked above it mentions that to repair the issue they recompiled perl from scratch. |
| 21:18.58 | toofer | Sargun: Doesn't yum run from perl? |
| 21:19.00 | gtresa1783h | yes , i guess so, but they are real discs not copies. |
| 21:19.14 | Sargun | toofer, python |
| 21:19.31 | tensai | well yes, but the theory behind copy protection is to break the disc in a certain way and then rely on a specific response from windows |
| 21:19.37 | tensai | wine can't emulate that |
| 21:20.06 | tensai | so either you can find a crack, download it off a warez site, or play a different game. copy protection ftw! |
| 21:20.15 | gtresa1783h | thats a shame, will it ever be able to do that? |
| 21:21.31 | tensai | no idea. I doubt it's high on their list of things to do |
| 21:21.48 | gtresa1783h | warez sites are full of viruses so i'll just have to store the games in the loft for future use |
| 21:22.40 | gtresa1783h | which is what i did about 10 years ago with call of duty. I didn't have the specs to run it then, but i do now. |
| 21:24.34 | gtresa1783h | i dont like the way pc gaming is going anyway, now it seems like you have to register the game online to install it. take steam for example |
| 21:26.02 | Sargun | gtresa1783h, install warez in wine? |
| 21:26.22 | gtresa1783h | also the programmers are lazy, they can't program anything to run on a top end pc, with a medium spec video card |
| 21:26.47 | gtresa1783h | could do, i'd rather install it in a virtual os though |
| 21:27.53 | gtresa1783h | to be on the safe side |
| 21:29.37 | gtresa1783h | just out of interest, |
| 21:30.06 | gtresa1783h | does anyone know what to do once you 've installed slacklinux v12.2.? |
| 21:30.20 | gtresa1783h | all that happens is the terminal screen login |
| 21:30.27 | gtresa1783h | no gui |
| 21:31.11 | gtresa1783h | once i login as Jedi master i don't know how to load the gnome or kde desktop |
| 21:32.04 | gtresa1783h | any suggestions.? |
| 21:32.10 | toofer | Dropline Gnome |
| 21:32.37 | gtresa1783h | is that the command i type in.? |
| 21:32.42 | toofer | I believe their site has all the instructions for getting it running and everything |
| 21:32.52 | gtresa1783h | ok |
| 21:32.54 | toofer | No, GTS. |
| 21:33.06 | gtresa1783h | ok |
| 21:33.24 | gtresa1783h | thanks |
| 21:33.29 | goozbach | I totally suck at nethack |
| 21:33.33 | goozbach | level 5 |
| 21:33.34 | toofer | no problemo |
| 21:33.36 | goozbach | psha |
| 21:35.23 | gtresa1783h | ok, i'm going to the web site thanks for the help |
| 21:35.33 | gtresa1783h | bye |
| 21:36.36 | sjansen | Sargun: So let me get this right, it is Red Hat's fault that a bug slipped by and creating a reliable patch took several months. It is _also_ Red Hat's fault that your company is running buggy software that has prevented you from installing the fix, despite the fact that the fix has been around for months? |
| 21:38.25 | toofer | No, read here: http://use.perl.org/~nicholas/journal/37274 |
| 21:38.44 | toofer | I think he's saying that it's Redhat's fault that it was even a problem in the first place. |
| 21:38.57 | sjansen | Have you considered that perhaps instead writing software is hard and time consuming? |
| 21:39.11 | sjansen | toofer: Not my point. |
| 21:39.21 | sjansen | Sounds to me more like you're still a newbie who hasn't learned the deep truth all system administrators eventually learn: The universe hates sysadmins. |
| 21:39.38 | toofer | sjansen: too true |
| 21:40.59 | sjansen | As companies go, I'd rather have Red Hat by my side in battle than most other companies. |
| 21:40.59 | sinuhe | sjansen: The universe doesn't hate sysadmins. The universe doesn't realize sysadmins exist. sysadmins are therefore unappreciated, not hated. I am willing to accept the possibility that the universe is a conspiracy against sysadmins... |
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| 21:45.29 | sjansen | The most dangerous thing a programmer can do is become a sysadmin. Most programmers think they are gods. This is because the universe is willing to ignore them so long as they stay on their own personal systems. As soon as they are made the responsible for many system, the universe takes notice. Unfortunately, it takes most programmers turn sysadmins years to realize that the universe hates them. |
| 21:46.11 | toofer | By the way I received an email today about a company looking for Linux Devs. If anyone is interested PM me and I can forward the email on. I'll probably send to the mailing list later tonight. |
| 21:46.29 | toofer | They are also looking for some tech support. |
| 21:51.17 | goozbach | I never had any dilusion that I was a programmer |
| 21:51.41 | goozbach | but the universe sure noticed when I became a sysadmin "for reals" |
| 21:52.08 | goozbach | I'm still trying to figure out what went wrong this weekend which caused an hour outage |
| 21:55.58 | neybar | sjansen: amen. Even worse is when companies think that since you are a programmer you must also be a sysadmin. Why pay for another person. |
| 23:05.57 | sinuhe | sjansen: I see. So the universe is a conspiracy against sysadmins and simply unaware of programmers. (Programmers, beware.) :-) |
| 23:07.25 | sjansen | No, the universe is aware of programmers. It just knows that they'll do more damage if it pretends to not notice them. |
| 23:07.40 | sinuhe | lol |
| 23:08.01 | sinuhe | wonders how many people actually make audible noise when they type "lol" |
| 23:08.50 | Sargun_screen | I do. |
| 23:10.57 | sinuhe | suggests that silly chat acronyms be descriptive not prescriptive. Otherwise, you are a poser. :-) |
| 23:13.47 | maquis | ~onjoin gtresa1783h don't worry if you suck at nethack now. you'll get better. and you'll get addicted. very very addicted ;) |
| 23:13.47 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 23:14.37 | sinuhe | Mmmm...nethack... |
| 23:14.42 | maquis | sinuhe: yup |
| 23:15.18 | maquis | i've never been particularly good... but i'm still addicted |
| 23:18.20 | goozbach | but I suck at nethack |
| 23:18.48 | sinuhe | First it was adventure, then it was zork, but nethack has lasted for so many years. |
| 23:21.18 | *** join/#utah romanovic (i=romanovi@wireless188.wireless.utah.edu) |
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| 23:23.31 | maquis | sinuhe: see, i started with nethack |
| 23:23.46 | maquis | after i had given up on learning the vim movement commands |
| 23:23.58 | sinuhe | lol |
| 23:24.11 | maquis | after a month of nethack, the vim movement commands were second-nature |
| 23:26.55 | Sargun_screen | heheh |