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| 01:46.27 | bassdesires | 04Hey people. |
| 01:47.11 | bassdesires | 04Anyone here? |
| 01:47.25 | levi | No one here but us chickens. |
| 01:47.39 | bassdesires | 04BUGOCK!! |
| 01:48.08 | levi | So, you must like bass. |
| 01:48.14 | bassdesires | 04Yup. |
| 01:48.17 | bassdesires | 04I play bass. |
| 01:48.37 | levi | Bass guitar? |
| 01:48.41 | bassdesires | 04You got it. |
| 01:49.24 | levi | Nice. |
| 01:49.34 | bassdesires | 04Word. |
| 01:49.39 | levi | I've got an electric guitar, but I can't play it. |
| 01:49.53 | bassdesires | 04Nice. They're fun, that's for sure. |
| 01:49.53 | levi | Maybe I should get a bass I can't play too, to keep it company. |
| 01:50.42 | levi | Everyone at work plays guitar, so I figured I'd try it out. But I got sidetracked before I got beyond a few chords. |
| 01:51.34 | bassdesires | 04Yeah, if you try to teach yourself starting with chords and whatnot, you're going to bore yourself. |
| 01:51.52 | bassdesires | 04My advice is to find a few songs you like, and learn how to play those ones first. |
| 01:52.20 | bassdesires | 04The more you learn, the deeper into theory (chords, etc.) you can get into with your stidies. |
| 01:52.33 | levi | It wasn't so much being bored as it was getting swamped with schoolwork, and never getting around to starting back up. |
| 01:53.00 | levi | I did learn to play some super-easy version of Horse With No Name, and the opening riff from Smoke On The Water. |
| 01:53.10 | RyanE | I've played a bit of tablature as well as chorded music, but too busy to practice. |
| 01:53.43 | levi | Gotta learn while you're an angsty teenager. ;) |
| 01:53.51 | bassdesires | 04I suppose. |
| 01:53.54 | bassdesires | 04If that's your thing. |
| 01:54.04 | RyanE | Yeah, I skipped the angsty stage. No one told me I should do it. |
| 01:54.27 | bassdesires | 04I started when I was 16. I'm 30 now, and I'm still learning new things all the time. You never stop learning. |
| 01:55.37 | levi | Well, I guess the angst is not a prerequisite, but it adds to the solitary time you need to get started. :) |
| 01:56.11 | levi | I wasted all my teenage spare time playing video games and screwing around with computers. ;) |
| 01:56.34 | levi | Those darned BBSes. |
| 01:56.53 | bassdesires | 04Same here. |
| 01:57.05 | bassdesires | 04Video games and computers, I mean. |
| 01:57.12 | bassdesires | 04But, I also did a LOT of other things. |
| 01:57.23 | bassdesires | 04I did more in my teenage years than I have since. |
| 01:57.27 | bassdesires | 04Pretty kooky. |
| 01:58.19 | levi | I sorta played clarinet and saxophone at the time, and failed despite lots of practice at playing basketball. |
| 01:58.33 | RyanE | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.14 | RyanE | I might've tried it if we'd had a guitar at home, but probably not. |
| 02:03.09 | stderr | red in my irssi oh noes. |
| 02:03.55 | stderr | bassdesires: what type of basses do you have? |
| 02:05.07 | stderr | <- Warwick, Washburn |
| 02:05.36 | stderr | Seagull six string I've been learning too |
| 02:10.48 | bassdesires | 04I have a Rickenbacker 4003 in jetglo, an Aria Pro II Avante series, a Sandowsky Modern 24F, and a Fender Jazz. |
| 02:10.58 | bassdesires | 04What kind of rig do you have? |
| 02:11.32 | bassdesires | 04<--Hartke 7000 head, Hartke 410BXL cab, Ampeg 1x15 cab |
| 02:14.10 | bassdesires | 04And I exclusively use Blue Steel and Elixir strings. |
| 02:16.40 | stderr | oh man, I don't have anything like that. I just got rid of my crappy practice amp for a diamond. My Warwick is a dolphin set neck that I got on the cheap when I was stationed in Germany. And I have a AB10 Washburn. |
| 02:17.10 | bassdesires | 04Washburn necks are too blocky and thick for my tastes. |
| 02:18.21 | stderr | I really like playing on it. It's really bright sounding. |
| 02:18.32 | stderr | but I haven't played in a while, bass anyways. |
| 02:18.41 | stderr | been planning on it though. |
| 02:19.31 | stderr | you a programmer? don't think I've seen you around. |
| 02:20.06 | stderr | by "seen" I mean noticed IRC traffic. |
| 02:20.44 | bassdesires | 04No, I'm not a programmer. Just another techie geek floating around IRC. |
| 02:21.38 | stderr | ah, err, I mean geek. sorry, I'm out of it, I've been grinding too much at work. |
| 02:23.41 | stderr | sniffs his armpits |
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| 02:51.29 | carmony | Hey, I'm runnign a Ubuntu 8.04 Server just running Apache & PHP |
| 02:52.54 | carmony | I'm getting insanely high CPU kernal usage |
| 02:53.41 | carmony | thats causing the server to choke and slow down to a halt |
| 02:53.57 | carmony | any ideas on how to debug it? |
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| 03:13.13 | dataw0lf | what do you see in top? Apache is killing it? |
| 03:15.07 | carmony | well apache is the only thing running |
| 03:15.13 | carmony | I use htop |
| 03:15.32 | carmony | so the server runs like 30% apache 70% kernel |
| 03:17.12 | fugue88 | That's some insane kernel time. |
| 03:17.27 | fugue88 | Are your harddrives in DMA mode? |
| 03:23.50 | fugue88 | Well anyway, if they *aren't*, disk access will essentially block everything on I/O and show as kernel time. Setting to DMA allows the system to do other things, even if that just means entering the idle loop for a while. |
| 03:24.00 | fugue88 | DMA is usually faster too. |
| 03:24.06 | fugue88 | good luck |
| 03:50.40 | carmony | fugue88, what do you mean? |
| 04:02.14 | levi | carmony: What kind of disk drives do you have? |
| 04:05.22 | levi | hdparm -I <device> can tell you about it and how it's configured. |
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| 06:45.02 | eightyeight | wow. red text. that's annoying |
| 07:34.55 | levi | Heh, I just heard about some pr0n talk at a Ruby conference. Those wacky Rubyists. |
| 07:43.42 | levi | Yet another opportunity for me to be unimpressed by the 'Ruby Community'. |
| 07:44.40 | levi | Some parts of it, anyway. |
| 08:17.06 | Tene | couchdb, despite the weird ruby talk, is some very impressive technology. |
| 08:30.34 | Sargun | couchdb is impressive. |
| 09:29.56 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 09:42.18 | Sargun | hi |
| 09:57.39 | Supaplex | sup Sargun |
| 09:58.22 | Sargun | not much |
| 09:58.23 | Sargun | going to KDE |
| 10:05.32 | Supaplex | i'm going to b e d |
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| 16:23.09 | brasto | ~wake TimRiker |
| 16:23.13 | brasto | brastotack $1 is <action> lectures $1 on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until $1 can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 16:23.18 | brasto | doh |
| 16:23.24 | brasto | ~brastotack $1 is <action> lectures $1 on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until $1 can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 16:23.24 | ibot | brasto: i already had it that way |
| 16:23.38 | brasto | ~brastotack TimRiker |
| 16:23.56 | brasto | that's one that I set that hasn't worked for a couple months or more |
| 16:24.00 | brasto | can you fix it? |
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| 17:29.05 | TimRiker | ~whaleslap brasto |
| 17:29.13 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 17:29.51 | TimRiker | ibot: die |
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| 17:33.25 | TimRiker | ~whaleslap brasto |
| 17:33.26 | ibot | ACTION beats brasto upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 17:33.50 | TimRiker | ~brastotack brasto |
| 17:33.51 | ibot | ACTION lectures brasto on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until brasto can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 17:45.26 | TimRiker | holler if the bot acts up again. |
| 17:59.51 | brasto | tx TimRiker |
| 18:03.19 | maquis | ~lart TimRiker |
| 18:03.19 | ibot | teaches TimRiker that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 18:49.06 | Supaplex | fungus: is it morning now? *yawn* I just got up. :P |
| 18:50.15 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ5qlIP0aRo&feature=player_embedded |
| 18:50.18 | dataw0lf | bollywood++ |
| 18:50.49 | fungus | Yes, it's morning. Time for bed. |
| 18:51.39 | Supaplex | heh heh |
| 18:51.52 | unum | so a while ago we had someone join this channel briefly |
| 18:52.15 | unum | she decided to talk to me outside of the channel. I found out she was taking classes from the utah career college |
| 18:52.33 | unum | she's taking a "database" class where they teach access |
| 18:52.45 | fungus | lol, only in India would an ugly guy in a mustache be the hero |
| 18:53.11 | fungus | Oh wait... I forgot about the chuck. |
| 18:53.14 | fungus | :) |
| 18:53.20 | fungus | ~chucknorris |
| 18:53.21 | ibot | Chuck Norris moves at two speeds: Walk and kill. |
| 18:58.15 | maquis | actually, my first lessons on what sql is was on access, back when i was young and naive... |
| 18:58.35 | unum | last week? |
| 18:58.48 | Supaplex | two days ago |
| 18:59.13 | unum | I probably shouldn't make statements like that when I constantly need sql help from everyone in here |
| 18:59.34 | maquis | ~beat unum |
| 18:59.35 | ibot | ACTION beats unum with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 18:59.41 | Supaplex | yeah, we're jk :) |
| 18:59.44 | maquis | i may still be young, but i'm not naive... |
| 18:59.51 | maquis | well, at least in some ways |
| 19:00.12 | Supaplex | just aloof ;) |
| 20:09.57 | jshipley | I took an access class once -- but it wasn't a CS class. It was a access/powerpoint combined 1 credit class from the basic computer skills department. |
| 20:09.59 | jshipley | I needed one more credit to fill my schedule :) |
| 20:17.06 | Supaplex | I know enough that I'm pretty sure I'm not missing anything by not using it. |
| 20:21.46 | unum | I main task right now is moving our company from the assortment of excel/access files to postgres with a web interface |
| 20:22.21 | unum | s/excel\/access/excel\/access\/paper |
| 20:35.23 | tensai | access, when used properly, can be a fine system |
| 20:35.46 | tensai | it's completely appropriate to use access to catalog your grandma's socks, for instance |
| 20:36.41 | JoshH | i think my grandma only has one pair |
| 20:37.02 | goozbach | JoshH: hence the appropiateness |
| 20:37.11 | goozbach | if appropiateness is a word |
| 20:37.23 | JoshH | good point |
| 20:43.42 | maquis | hey gooz, where you living these days? |
| 20:44.50 | jshipley | JoshH: In that case, access would be overkill. |
| 20:44.58 | jshipley | Notepad would be sufficient. |
| 20:44.58 | Supaplex | JoshH: is grandma more capable of locating socks without access? I would guess she could keep track of at least a few pairs of socks. |
| 20:45.18 | jshipley | just put a file named where_are_my_socks.txt on her Desktop |
| 20:45.49 | jshipley | I'm not sure where you'd put the where_is_my_computer.txt and what_is_a_Desktop.txt file though |
| 20:46.52 | maquis | yeah |
| 20:46.54 | maquis | er |
| 20:46.56 | jshipley | I shouldn't make fun of old people like that... My grandma is more than capable of doing everything she would want to do with her computer |
| 20:47.45 | Supaplex | haha I was going to avoid that, but you said it for me. :) (where-is-my-computer.txt etc) |
| 20:47.59 | goozbach | my grandma is on facebook |
| 20:48.03 | goozbach | more often than I am |
| 20:48.07 | goozbach | maquis: ATL |
| 20:48.17 | maquis | goozbach: is that atlanta georgia? |
| 20:48.36 | goozbach | yup |
| 20:48.39 | goozbach | the ATL |
| 20:50.54 | jshipley | In my family, it's my brother in law (a few years younger than me) that needs help with computers. |
| 20:52.34 | jshipley | Luckily, he gets his tech support from other people. |
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| 21:06.52 | jessie | Sargun: Going to KDE? |
| 21:06.57 | jessie | Why so? |
| 21:07.14 | Sargun | jessie, because I'm kuku for cocoa puffs :-P |
| 21:07.24 | Sargun | I was tired of xfce's screwing up |
| 21:07.30 | Sargun | and lack of implementing new features |
| 21:10.50 | JoshH | what does xfce screw up? |
| 21:14.45 | jessie | Sargun: 4 or 3? |
| 21:15.20 | Sargun | jessie, 4.6 |
| 21:15.22 | Sargun | I think 4.6 |
| 21:15.30 | Sargun | JoshH, I kept running into stupid bugs with it |
| 21:16.04 | jessie | lol. No, what version of KDE |
| 21:16.07 | Sargun | 4.2 |
| 21:16.10 | Sargun | 4.2.2 |
| 21:16.24 | jessie | Very nice. That's what I'm using |
| 21:17.05 | Sargun | Neat. |
| 21:17.11 | JoshH | kde itself might be ok, but i hate qt in general |
| 21:17.23 | Sargun | JoshH, Why? |
| 21:17.39 | JoshH | the look, and the apps |
| 21:17.46 | Sargun | You might be able to help me? The task switcher (listing of programs at the bottom of the screen) how do I change settings about it |
| 21:18.01 | JoshH | i haven't actually seen kde 4 yet though |
| 21:18.06 | Sargun | I have this stupid /usr/bin/nepomukserver eating 100% of one CPU |
| 21:18.09 | Sargun | WTF is it doing |
| 21:18.11 | JoshH | too lazy/busy to bother |
| 21:18.24 | Sargun | JoshH, try it |
| 21:19.17 | Sargun | I kind of like it |
| 21:19.18 | Sargun | a little |
| 21:19.22 | Sargun | very little. |
| 21:19.31 | Sargun | like 1% |
| 21:20.07 | JoshH | these days i just use ubuntu and gnome and it works well enough |
| 21:20.16 | Sargun | Gnome is just like XFCE |
| 21:20.20 | JoshH | my DE hopping days are way in the past |
| 21:20.25 | JoshH | i like xfce |
| 21:20.29 | Sargun | DE/ |
| 21:20.39 | JoshH | but haven't used it since i started using compiz, since compiz gives me most of what i liked about xfce |
| 21:20.49 | Sargun | Though, some KDE features are neat, like I don't have configure every little thing |
| 21:20.58 | Sargun | though, I hate the lack of text config files |
| 21:21.18 | JoshH | jaunty did mess up my triple head though :( |
| 21:22.40 | JoshH | i now have separate mouse cursors on both x screens, and if i try opening a window on screen 1, it opens on screen 0, unless i specify DISPLAY in the command |
| 21:23.05 | JoshH | or use the compiz key bindings to launch it, which is what i do |
| 21:24.08 | jessie | Sargun: right click the taskbar and select task manager settings |
| 21:24.49 | Sargun | JoshH, ah |
| 21:25.01 | Sargun | jessie, it's filled with crap |
| 21:26.15 | jessie | What kind of crap? |
| 21:26.23 | Sargun | Oh, I fixed it! |
| 21:28.25 | jessie | haha.... what was wrong? |
| 21:28.38 | jessie | Oh, and what's the best way to write ANSI strings to a binary file in C++? |
| 21:29.41 | Sargun | int myfd = file("tmp", O_TRUNC) |
| 21:29.58 | Sargun | write(myfd, myansistring, sizeof(myansistring)) |
| 21:30.12 | jessie | Sargun, what? How does that even work? |
| 21:30.18 | jessie | oh, ok |
| 21:30.22 | Sargun | err, no it doesn't |
| 21:30.27 | Sargun | write(myfd, myansistring, strlen(myansistring)) |
| 21:30.30 | Sargun | that does |
| 21:30.40 | jessie | what's the myfd do? |
| 21:30.50 | maquis | that's your file descriptor, i'm guessing |
| 21:30.54 | Sargun | myfd is a file descriptor. |
| 21:31.04 | jessie | Ahhh... okay. |
| 21:31.08 | jessie | makes sense now. |
| 21:33.03 | jessie | Okay, so say I have a class that has Ansi strings in it? |
| 21:33.17 | jessie | Is there any easy way to write all of them at once without going through all of them? |
| 21:33.26 | jessie | And doing it manually |
| 21:36.30 | Sargun | jessie, are they all adjacent to one another? |
| 21:37.01 | jessie | They are, yeah |
| 21:37.24 | Sargun | jessie, you could do "something clever' |
| 21:37.40 | Sargun | do you know how many strings there are? |
| 21:37.42 | jessie | How so? |
| 21:37.57 | Sargun | do you know how many strings there are? |
| 21:38.29 | jessie | Yep. 5 |
| 21:39.04 | JoshH | just ask levi |
| 21:39.11 | Sargun | pseudocode: |
| 21:41.02 | Sargun | void writestr(stringpointer, stringlength); |
| 21:41.03 | Sargun | int numstr = 5; |
| 21:41.03 | Sargun | int sl; |
| 21:41.03 | Sargun | char *sp = firststr; |
| 21:41.03 | Sargun | while (numstr > 0) |
| 21:41.03 | Sargun | { |
| 21:41.05 | Sargun | numstr--; |
| 21:41.07 | Sargun | sl = strlen(firststr); |
| 21:41.09 | Sargun | writestr(firststr, sl); |
| 21:41.11 | Sargun | sp = sl+1; |
| 21:41.13 | Sargun | } |
| 21:41.15 | Sargun | something like that... |
| 21:41.17 | Sargun | I think |
| 21:41.40 | Sargun | jessie, That might now work, but it should.. |
| 21:41.54 | jessie | Hmmm..... I see.... |
| 21:42.32 | jessie | Well, I think I've got it taken care off.... I'll see |
| 21:42.50 | Sargun | s/writestr(firststr,/writestr(sp/ |
| 21:42.52 | Sargun | something like that |
| 21:44.45 | jessie | Thank you for the help |
| 21:45.54 | Sargun | no problem, I hope it doesn't explode and cause you debugging pains |
| 21:47.06 | Sargun | KDE screws my battery life |
| 21:48.21 | jessie | haha... Mine is about 3 minutes, currently |
| 21:49.43 | Sargun | With XFCE I had about 3.5 hours |
| 21:49.48 | Sargun | with KDE it seems about 1.5 hours |
| 21:51.55 | jessie | Hmm.... that's odd. Is the cool little effect thingies on? |
| 21:57.36 | harleypig | Is there a way to create an alias from within perl? |
| 21:58.58 | harleypig | I have a medium number of hosts I've built up a .bash_aliases file for and its getting a little unwieldy ... I'd like to make it easier to add a host and have aliases automatically setup for it. |
| 22:01.26 | goozbach | bash aliases from within perl? |
| 22:02.17 | goozbach | I'd do a perl script which used $0 and create a bunch of symlinks via a makefile. |
| 22:03.29 | Supaplex | php 5.2.7 .8 and .9 are out all at once? haha. |
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| 22:30.40 | WoodsDog | on twitter, if i reply to someone who isn't following me, will they see my reply? |
| 22:30.49 | WoodsDog | i'm a twitter n00b |
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| 22:32.55 | harleypig | goozbach: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 22:33.26 | harleypig | goozbach: nm, once I took a moment to actually read what you said instead of skim it I got it. |
| 22:33.38 | JoshH | WoodsDog: do yourself a favor, stay that way |
| 22:33.44 | WoodsDog | :) |
| 22:34.29 | harleypig | WoodsDog: someone who isn't following you won't see a reply unless they go looking for it in a search engine or somthing similar. |
| 22:34.41 | WoodsDog | thanks harleypig |
| 22:34.47 | harleypig | yw |
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| 22:53.50 | goozbach | WoodsDog: |
| 22:54.11 | goozbach | WoodsDog: if you @ reply to someone they'll see it |
| 22:54.26 | goozbach | if their client is worth antthying |
| 22:56.45 | Sargun_screen | twitter is so stupid! |
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| 23:08.45 | Supaplex | ~sing it with me, 10,000 DVDrw's when all you need is a CDrw |
| 23:08.46 | ibot | Supaplex: I think you lost me on that one |
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