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| 02:26.24 | tristanbob | can someone ping 74.125.67.100 (google.com) |
| 02:26.33 | tristanbob | and see if results are dropping about half the packets? |
| 02:26.35 | tristanbob | I am on xmission |
| 02:32.18 | Sargun_screen | PING 74.125.67.100 (74.125.67.100) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 02:32.19 | Sargun_screen | 64 bytes from 74.125.67.100: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=72.9 ms |
| 02:32.19 | Sargun_screen | 64 bytes from 74.125.67.100: icmp_seq=3 ttl=54 time=75.3 ms |
| 02:32.21 | Sargun_screen | --- 74.125.67.100 ping statistics --- |
| 02:32.21 | Sargun_screen | 4 packets transmitted, 2 received, 50% packet loss, time 2999ms |
| 02:32.24 | Sargun_screen | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 72.917/74.114/75.311/1.197 ms |
| 02:32.30 | Sargun_screen | eh |
| 02:33.20 | tristanbob | Sargun_screen, so you not on xmission? |
| 02:33.22 | tristanbob | what isp |
| 02:34.05 | Sargun_screen | sonic.net |
| 02:34.26 | tristanbob | ok - thanks- that means it is a problem google or their ISP |
| 02:38.14 | Sargun_screen | heh = google's isp = google |
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| 03:08.11 | elg | -chat |
| 03:08.12 | brac | ahh. interesting. another reason to do that too |
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| 03:24.51 | elg | so anyone know how canneries work? I've never been to one. I want to get some wheat, they have wheat I understand ($7 for 25lb). they're in el paso - are they open regular hours or only special times? do I have to preorder? |
| 03:38.55 | RyanE | elg: the only time I've gone, it was for a canning assignment, so I knew it was going to be open. |
| 03:39.03 | RyanE | Sorry. |
| 03:39.28 | RyanE | At least at the one in PG, I didn't have to pre-order. |
| 03:42.12 | RyanE | best bet would be to get the phone number of your local cannery and give 'em a call. I see lists for them on google, but I don't know if they're valid numbers or not. |
| 03:45.28 | Sargun_screen | what's a cannery? |
| 03:48.12 | elg | some mythical place where you get enlisted to do slave labor for a few hours a day and can dry pack goods and buy food storage |
| 03:48.33 | elg | i've managed to avoid the slave labor bit so far (knock on wood) so I don't know any more |
| 03:48.51 | elg | not a few hours a day for many days, usually you only get enlisted every month or year or several years, depending on the ward |
| 03:49.02 | elg | and usually they ask for volunteers |
| 03:49.14 | elg | so maybe slave labor is a bit weak of a term |
| 03:49.20 | elg | guilt labor would be more appropriate |
| 03:49.58 | RyanE | yeah, guilt labor. I've done it a couple of times in 10 years, mostly peaches. Always with the peaches... :) |
| 03:50.19 | RyanE | but it is for a good cause, and the prices on the dry pack you can buy for food storage are good. |
| 04:03.07 | eightyeight | tristanbob: 11 packets transmitted, 11 received, 0% packet loss, time 10038ms |
| 04:05.10 | tristanbob | eightyeight, what IP did you ping? |
| 04:13.16 | levi | elg: I think they're open fairly often, but you may have to make an appointment to go in. I was only there for an assignment though, so I'm not sure of the procedure if you don't have an assignment. |
| 04:14.27 | levi | So, NBC had better renew Chuck. |
| 05:00.26 | eightyeight | tristanbob: 'google.com' |
| 05:00.39 | eightyeight | 209.85.171.100 |
| 05:01.29 | eightyeight | 20 packets transmitted, 5 received, 75% packet loss, time 19033ms |
| 05:01.34 | eightyeight | for 74.125.67.100 |
| 05:04.44 | tensai | tristanbob: mtr shows the packet loss is on the last hop |
| 05:04.57 | tensai | average about 70% |
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| 05:43.49 | Sargun_screen | hey all. |
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| 05:45.50 | tensai | hey |
| 06:32.15 | Sargun_screen | hello tensai |
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| 15:14.07 | elg | that magento thing sounds like pure evil |
| 15:14.53 | jsmith | elg: Aren't you supposed tobe dissertationating? |
| 15:14.56 | jsmith | ducks |
| 15:15.17 | elg | ~jedi jsmith |
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| 15:16.03 | elg | ~jedi $jsmith is <reply>These aren't the droids you're looking for, $jsmith |
| 15:16.03 | ibot | ...but cmd: jedi (.*?) is already something else... |
| 15:16.23 | jsmith | ~jedi elg for the win |
| 15:16.30 | jsmith | ~literal jedi |
| 15:16.30 | ibot | "jedi" is "<reply>patience, young padawan||<action> chops off $who's head with her lightsaber||<action> jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows $who to pieces||<action> plays jedi mind tricks on $who||<action> zaps $who with her jedi powers" |
| 15:17.02 | fungus | ~literal cmd: jedi (.*?) |
| 15:17.02 | ibot | "cmd: jedi (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows $1 to pieces|plays jedi mind tricks on $1|zaps $1 with her jedi powers|chops off $1's head with her lightsaber)" |
| 15:18.14 | jsmith | ibot: No, jedi $who is ($who): <action> (jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows $who to pieces|plays jedi mind tricks on $who|zaps $who with her jedi powers|chops off $who's head with her lightsaber) |
| 15:18.14 | ibot | okay, jsmith |
| 15:18.19 | jsmith | ~jedi elg |
| 15:19.18 | Heartsbane | jedi FAIL |
| 15:19.31 | jsmith | Exactly... |
| 15:19.36 | jsmith | ~prod elg |
| 15:19.43 | jsmith | ~zap elg |
| 15:19.43 | elg | ~jedi |
| 15:19.44 | ibot | ACTION jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows elg to pieces |
| 15:21.38 | goozbach | shouldn't use $who |
| 15:21.51 | goozbach | $who == person requesting factiod |
| 15:22.38 | goozbach | ahh it's the factoid vs factoid with args probelm |
| 15:22.45 | goozbach | that's an infobot bug |
| 15:22.49 | jsmith | Yeah... exactly |
| 15:22.57 | jsmith | goozbach: Good point on the $who though... |
| 15:23.32 | goozbach | anywho |
| 15:23.40 | goozbach | ~uberlart yesterday and monday |
| 15:23.49 | jsmith | ibot: No, jedi $victim is ($victim): <action> (jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows $victim to pieces|plays jedi mind tricks on $victim|zaps $victim with her jedi powers|chops off $victim's head with her lightsaber) |
| 15:23.49 | ibot | okay, jsmith |
| 15:24.01 | jsmith | goozbach: More fun at work, eh? |
| 15:24.05 | goozbach | jsmith: no |
| 15:24.10 | goozbach | family emergency |
| 15:24.22 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm sorry to hear that |
| 15:25.05 | goozbach | my sister in law was in a bad traffic accident |
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| 15:25.19 | goozbach | spent mon night, and all of yesterday in hospital |
| 15:25.36 | elg | ~pity |
| 15:25.40 | elg | ~pity jsmith |
| 15:25.45 | elg | ~jedi jsmith |
| 15:25.50 | elg | ~do something |
| 15:25.54 | elg | ~rlart |
| 15:25.54 | ibot | holds Supaplex to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 15:26.05 | elg | ~forget jedi |
| 15:27.35 | elg | ~write emcnabb |
| 15:35.38 | Sargun_screen | goozbach: you spent 1.5 days in the hospital? what did you do? |
| 15:36.28 | Sargun_screen | er, sorry about sister in law too. |
| 15:36.34 | Sargun_screen | how is she? |
| 15:38.27 | goozbach | she's pretty bad |
| 15:38.33 | goozbach | she'll live |
| 15:38.41 | goozbach | but she has a very badly broken leg |
| 15:38.57 | Sargun_screen | but will she walk? |
| 15:39.12 | Sargun_screen | I assume months of grueling physical therapy? |
| 15:39.32 | Sargun_screen | reason #165 not to drive |
| 15:40.56 | goozbach | Sargun_screen: we don't know yet |
| 15:41.04 | goozbach | everthing is up in the air |
| 15:41.14 | goozbach | keep her in your prayers |
| 15:41.28 | goozbach | and if you don't pray, send good thuoughts her way |
| 15:42.07 | Sargun_screen | ah. hope her leg gets better, and she can make the best of this experience |
| 15:48.30 | jshipley | I found this through reddit: http://dickensurl.com/7/If_you_could_see_my_legs_when_I_take_my_boots_off,_you'd_form_some_idea_of_what_unrequited_affection_is. |
| 15:48.31 | brac | [Dickensurl.com] |
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| 15:53.06 | Sargun_screen | oh, yeah. dickensurl.. full of awesome. |
| 15:55.41 | jshipley | It's a bit longer than tinyurl, but so much better :) |
| 15:56.37 | tensai | ~forget cmd: jedi (.*?) |
| 15:57.02 | Sargun_screen | everyone tells me size doesn't matter, it's about quality. |
| 16:05.48 | jshipley | dickensurl definitely has more quality than tinyurl :) |
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| 17:53.49 | Jayce^ | ah darn, I coudl answer elg's question |
| 17:56.44 | eightyeight | anyone use vi keybindings for their shell? |
| 17:58.03 | tensai | ~summon elg |
| 17:58.19 | tensai | eightyeight: I tried a few times but I'm just too used to the defaults |
| 17:59.03 | eightyeight | i'm looking for the emacs equivalent of alt+. for vi |
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| 18:37.14 | JoshH | boggles at the magento 17k functions post |
| 18:43.56 | jsmith | Wow... that's crazy |
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| 19:10.31 | Jayce^ | it's ok, it's a PHP Application.. |
| 19:15.10 | tensai | just think how crazy it would be if php had namespaces |
| 19:15.14 | tensai | oh, wait... |
| 19:15.28 | stderr | lawlz PHP namespaces |
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| 19:24.39 | Tene | JoshH: eh? |
| 19:24.46 | Tene | JoshH: where's that? |
| 19:25.10 | JoshH | plug |
| 19:25.56 | Tene | Which thread? |
| 19:26.49 | JoshH | guy talking about how a basic clean magento install takes tons of seconds to load, then says "Magento is a web store, that makes heavy use of templates and many layers of dynamic content generation to build its pages. For example, to load the homepage of a magento store, you'll execute > 350 individual php scripts, and there are some functions that will be hit > 17k times (yes, THOUSAND)." |
| 19:27.03 | JoshH | the vps recommendations |
| 19:28.29 | Tene | Wow. |
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| 19:51.24 | fungus | If a basic clean install has that kind of performance issues, I can't imagine what would happen when it gets real data/traffic. Sounds like a very bad app. |
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| 19:54.19 | jsmith | fungus: No kidding... that was my thought... (well, second thought. My first thought was --- "Whoa! That's worse than Drupal!") |
| 19:54.35 | fungus | hehe |
| 19:58.19 | maquis | wants to curl up and go to sleep... |
| 20:17.55 | Sargun_screen | curl http://sleep ? |
| 20:20.29 | goozbach | svn up curl && sleep; |
| 20:21.01 | goozbach | or is it curl --post ... && goto(sleep); |
| 20:33.21 | Supaplex | maquis->curl(up) && goto &sleep |
| 20:33.54 | Sargun_screen | NOOOOOOOOOOOO. C++. |
| 20:34.25 | maquis | appreciates all the assistance with curling up and sleeping, but is still tired |
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| 20:45.56 | levi | jsmith: I had speed issues with Drupal, too. That's what made me write my own blog engine. |
| 20:46.40 | Sargun_screen | didn't have any such problems |
| 20:46.46 | Sargun_screen | or I just didn't get any traffic. |
| 20:46.54 | Sargun_screen | or I just threw more hardware at the problem |
| 20:47.20 | levi | I had some pretty pathetic hardware. |
| 20:47.22 | jsmith | levi: I have *severe* problems with Drupal performance... to the point I've had to do a lot of extra work to setup indices, op-code caches, etc. just to make it handle a reasonable load |
| 20:47.31 | RyanE | Yeah, people overlook the easy option of just making your site less popular. :) |
| 20:47.41 | jsmith | levi: And even then, it makes me want to slit my wrists |
| 20:48.36 | levi | jsmith: Yeah, I was initially going to hack some php code to improve things, but after looking into that for a bit I decided I never wanted to install another php app on my box. :) |
| 20:48.56 | RyanE | That should be it's motto. "Drupal, it's Wrist-Slitting Good!" |
| 20:49.23 | Sargun_screen | Hm, we run it at work, and don't run into any of these problems... |
| 20:49.24 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.45 | Sargun_screen | Then again, our volumes aren't <huge> |
| 20:49.58 | levi | If you have decent hardware and low volume, it's probably fine. |
| 20:50.07 | levi | I had other issues with it besides performance. |
| 20:50.24 | jsmith | levi: Unfortunately, my wife wanted something she could manage herself, and I didn't want to invest any more time in the hand-rolled CMS she had been using |
| 20:50.34 | levi | Anyway, this looks bizarre, but interesting: http://www.logicomix.com/ |
| 20:50.58 | jsmith | levi: You mean... lack of data normalization, lack of foreign key enforcement, running the same query 30 times on a page, or just the lack of consistency? |
| 20:51.40 | levi | jsmith: I didn't even look that deeply into it, and I don't even really remember what features I wanted. This was a long time ago. :) |
| 20:52.55 | tensai | drupal runs my blog just fine, and on mediocre hardware at that |
| 20:53.00 | tensai | it's quite low volume though |
| 20:53.22 | levi | tensai: My hardware wasn't mediocre, it was REALLY FREAKING SLOW. |
| 20:53.37 | tensai | the code seems on par with most php applications |
| 20:53.47 | levi | tensai: My Lisp blog engine ran pretty quickly though. |
| 20:53.59 | Sargun_screen | Oh, god. Lisp... |
| 20:54.06 | tensai | levi: mine's a celery 530mhz with 256MB RAM |
| 20:54.39 | levi | I think this was a PIII 450. |
| 20:56.33 | RyanE | Personally, I would just use that as a strategy to tell the wife I needed to upgrade the hardware... :) |
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| 20:57.09 | levi | Well, first I "upgraded" by running it inside a virtual machine on a somewhat more current system. |
| 20:57.58 | levi | Then I finally got my dual-P4 Xeon board going. |
| 21:00.07 | RyanE | So you moved from Too Slow village to Overkill city. |
| 21:01.06 | levi | Well, it's a several-years-old Xeon board that I got for free. Well, almost free... I replace the actual board since the bios was fried on the one I had and I didn't want to try to make LinuxBIOS work for me. |
| 21:01.24 | levi | But I think the board I replaced it with was $15 on ebay or something. |
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| 21:07.15 | levi | Yeah, it's a much nicer server. :) |
| 21:07.58 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 21:07.58 | ibot | teaches emcnabb that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 21:08.06 | levi | ~lart maquis |
| 21:08.06 | ibot | tries to shut maquis up |
| 21:08.27 | maquis | cries... ibot doesn't like me anymore.... |
| 21:08.36 | levi | Poor maquis. |
| 21:09.21 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap maquis |
| 21:12.20 | maquis | ~whaleparry emcnabb |
| 21:12.30 | maquis | what happened to ibot? |
| 21:12.41 | Sargun_screen | you killed him. |
| 21:13.01 | maquis | not me... |
| 21:13.06 | maquis | points at emcnabb |
| 21:33.08 | maquis | o/~ "graffitti decorations under a sky of dust... o/~ guilty by association... o/~ |
| 21:39.52 | Jayce^ | w00t! confirmed that there is a case of Mountain Dew Throwback awaiting me at my house |
| 21:40.17 | RyanE | Niice. |
| 21:41.25 | jsmith | Jayce^: We demand proof! |
| 21:41.26 | stderr | Jayce^: Throwback? |
| 21:41.30 | Heartsbane | Ya |
| 21:41.35 | Heartsbane | I demand proof |
| 21:41.36 | jsmith | Jayce^: You must post pictures! (or share) |
| 21:41.39 | RyanE | sugared, not HFCS |
| 21:41.46 | stderr | ohhh very nice. |
| 21:41.49 | jsmith | Jayce^: In glass bottles? |
| 21:41.53 | Jayce^ | I will, since I'll be up late tonight |
| 21:42.01 | Jayce^ | no, not glass, that would really be nice |
| 21:43.10 | Jayce^ | but it's nice that it is finally in Utah |
| 21:43.24 | Heartsbane | where is it on sale? |
| 21:43.27 | Jayce^ | is doing his part to convince pepsi to keep manufacturing it |
| 21:43.37 | Jayce^ | my wife got it at the wal-mart that just opened by us |
| 21:44.21 | Supaplex | throwback? |
| 21:44.38 | Jayce^ | http://www.bevreview.com/2009/02/09/pepsi-throwback-mountain-dew-throwback/ |
| 21:46.21 | Supaplex | oh nice. I bought some jones soda the other day that was sugar free. I was not pleased to find this out the hard way. :) |
| 21:47.15 | unum | so is there a taste difference between the two types of sugars? |
| 21:48.06 | Heartsbane | YES |
| 21:48.06 | Supaplex | splenda is okay if you're expecting slpenda. the cream soda has a cotton candy type aroma. not so with the splenda |
| 21:48.14 | Jayce^ | immense differense |
| 21:48.15 | Jayce^ | ce |
| 21:48.59 | unum | I quite drinking soda a long time ago |
| 21:49.17 | unum | though i still drink plenty of high frutose corn syrup on occasion |
| 21:49.28 | Jayce^ | I have maybe two a month, but I'll have some to celebrate the return of sugar, even if temporary |
| 21:50.08 | Supaplex | heck yeah :) |
| 21:52.27 | Heartsbane | unum: I quit drinking soda a little over a year ago too... but I would be willing to try the real stuff again |
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| 21:52.52 | unum | carbonation makes me sick |
| 21:52.52 | tensai | I did a head-to-head comparison of sugar and hfcs coke a while ago |
| 21:52.59 | tensai | I could tell a difference, but I didn't like either one |
| 21:53.07 | unum | it didn't use to, but it's been so long my stomach can't take it any more |
| 21:53.15 | Jayce^ | tensai: I dont' like coke either, but I can tell the diff |
| 21:53.17 | tensai | but that's just because I don't like cola |
| 21:53.36 | unum | I liked Dr. Pepper |
| 21:53.42 | tensai | Jayce^: if I see a throwback, I'll try a comparison |
| 21:53.55 | unum | I think it's been close to ten years since I had one |
| 21:54.16 | tensai | thinks Throwback sounds too much like Throwup |
| 21:54.19 | Jayce^ | real dr.pepper is way better than the HFCS version |
| 21:54.29 | Jayce^ | very notable flavor change |
| 21:54.53 | unum | how long ago did they switch to HFCS |
| 21:55.17 | jsmith | Jayce^: Something like this? http://www.russellbryant.net/blog/2008/07/02/this-post-brought-to-you-by-dr-pepper/ |
| 21:55.19 | tensai | my wife actually prefers hfcs to sugar since sugar makes her sick |
| 21:56.00 | unum | I thought htey were chemically the same until now |
| 21:56.05 | Jayce^ | unum: started after the cuban revolution, since that's where most our sugar came from |
| 21:56.26 | jsmith | HFCS is much more shelf-stable |
| 21:56.27 | Jayce^ | that's why the govt started subsidizing that part of corn production, to create alternative sugars |
| 21:56.30 | unum | Jayce^: I was just thinking about how maybe we could get more sugar with things thawing out there |
| 21:56.57 | jsmith | unum: Maybe we can outsource our health care to Cuba as well :-) |
| 21:57.23 | Jayce^ | we just need to grow more beets :) |
| 21:58.18 | unum | that's what my ancestors used to do, grow sugar beets |
| 21:58.37 | Jayce^ | still have distant relatives that do up in ID |
| 21:59.32 | tensai | my great grandpa's house was demolished for a sugar beet factory in nampa |
| 22:00.13 | tensai | he did move out first |
| 22:01.13 | Jayce^ | didn't walk out in the bathrobe and lay down in front of the dozer? |
| 22:03.09 | unum | sugar house is called such because they were supposed to build sugar beet factories there. |
| 22:03.34 | Jayce^ | Sugar City, ID |
| 22:04.03 | Jayce^ | iirc ID is one of the largest sugar producers in the US still |
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| 22:04.22 | RyanE | Jayce^: You're not in Cedar Hills, are you? I suppose a *lot* of Wal-Marts have just opened up, though. |
| 22:04.52 | Jayce^ | no, this was the Saratoga Springs one |
| 22:06.12 | RyanE | Aha, that's right. You're out west. |
| 22:06.37 | RyanE | Normal, I've got it totally bass-ackwards... :) |
| 22:06.50 | Jayce^ | :) |
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| 23:53.03 | rsimpkins | Does anyone here know anything about Utah Broadband (UBB)? |