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| 00:08.17 | Heartsbane | http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12212130 He's back |
| 00:11.51 | Sargun_screen | who? |
| 00:12.25 | goozbach | Sargun_screen: I didn't even have to look at the article and I *KNEW* he was talking about Super Dell |
| 00:12.27 | stderr | without looking at the link let me take a wild guess - Super Dell |
| 00:13.21 | Sargun_screen | m, I thought it might be super dell too, but you guys stopped raving about him months ago |
| 00:14.18 | stderr | I assume that's why it was postfixed with "He's back" |
| 00:14.26 | Sargun_screen | ah, yes |
| 00:16.40 | Sargun_screen | I feel incredibly lathargic today |
| 00:17.19 | stderr | http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003965876 |
| 00:17.23 | stderr | Wow |
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| 00:28.44 | Sargun_screen | it |
| 00:28.49 | Sargun_screen | wanna summarize? |
| 00:32.15 | Heartsbane | stderr: you guessed it |
| 00:56.54 | Sargun_screen | The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request. |
| 00:56.58 | Sargun_screen | stderr: :-( |
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| 00:57.10 | Sargun_screen | OOH, refresh fixes it |
| 00:57.51 | Sargun_screen | stderr: don't Utahns support torture? |
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| 01:06.30 | bonez46 | how can I access the archive for plug mailing list messages? |
| 01:08.32 | bonez46 | another question.. what webinar software works great? i.e., what software was used for running really great webinars for any of you, that you have observed..? |
| 01:08.53 | Sargun_screen | I HATE SSL. |
| 01:09.07 | bonez46 | why do you hate SSL Sargun? |
| 01:09.20 | Sargun_screen | bonez46: because it's overly complicated, and fairly unsecure. |
| 01:09.24 | Sargun_screen | and useless. |
| 01:09.33 | Sargun_screen | bonez46: active, or passive webinars? |
| 01:10.18 | bonez46 | well, by active.. do you mean, with a chat screen where participants can enter comments or with mic contributing voice? |
| 01:10.32 | bonez46 | what else is there besides ssl? |
| 01:10.51 | sinuhe | TLS. :-) |
| 01:11.32 | Sargun_screen | TLS + SSL |
| 01:11.40 | bonez46 | ok... |
| 01:11.50 | bonez46 | so about webinars.. have you participated in a few? |
| 01:11.58 | Sargun_screen | bonez46: I've used a couple. Netmeeting, blackboard, gotomeeting, live meeting. |
| 01:12.52 | bonez46 | do most of them have problems, coordinating audio and getting it to be smooth and unbroken? |
| 01:13.27 | Sargun_screen | yes |
| 01:13.40 | Sargun_screen | we ended up doing audio over the phone |
| 01:14.00 | bonez46 | ah, the phone works.. sure.. |
| 01:14.01 | Sargun_screen | oh, and webex |
| 01:14.07 | Sargun_screen | Ok, brb |
| 01:14.10 | bonez46 | I have heard of webex |
| 01:15.10 | Sargun_screen | I'd lean to live meeting |
| 01:15.32 | Sargun_screen | only because for the customer it was a lot less painfyul |
| 01:19.24 | Sargun_screen | yes, painyful |
| 01:19.24 | bonez46 | I see.. |
| 01:19.29 | bonez46 | who does live meeting? |
| 01:19.47 | Sargun_screen | Microshaft |
| 01:20.08 | Sargun_screen | but, for any amount of volume, they have resellers |
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| 01:20.28 | bonez46 | welcome elg |
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| 01:32.48 | bonez46 | always the middleman.. |
| 01:33.22 | bonez46 | so there's no specific FOSS webinar/webcast package, that you can think of, right? |
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| 02:14.41 | stderr | Sargun_screen: I don't think many Utahns support torture. |
| 02:15.13 | stderr | But I also don't think many people have an idea of the interrogation methods used. |
| 02:16.05 | stderr | But the reason why I pasted is because she was LDS, thought there may be some relevance there. |
| 02:22.35 | Sargun_screen | ah, maany hardcore conservatives i |
| 02:22.58 | Sargun_screen | I know, are happy with torture and gitmo |
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| 14:50.55 | unum | lights the room on fire |
| 14:55.46 | goozbach | hmm... I should write a script which pings elg or hans or tuple every half hour |
| 14:57.32 | Sargun_screen | which one of them? |
| 14:57.36 | Sargun_screen | or chooses at random? |
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| 15:07.26 | beelzebob | So I just read http://awesomegeekblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/file-transfer-over-sound-card.html |
| 15:07.43 | beelzebob | and I thought, "that's pretty cool" |
| 15:08.27 | beelzebob | then the comments point out half a dozen ways it has already been done, or how it could be done better |
| 15:08.42 | beelzebob | I'm going to give up on ever doing anything original |
| 15:09.36 | Jayce^ | wow, a really good mashup of foolish games and white wedding |
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| 15:20.52 | Sargun_screen | beelzebob: hehe |
| 15:21.15 | Sargun_screen | Jesus and his friends had beards, why don't you? |
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| 16:24.37 | goozbach | quick survey: |
| 16:25.11 | goozbach | do you think shorewall is harder to use than bare iptables commands? |
| 16:26.18 | unum | shorewall is easier |
| 16:27.09 | JoshH | i think shorewall is more confusing actually, but that's because i learned it after i was already used to regular iptables |
| 16:27.32 | JoshH | i don't like the shorewall syntax and file layout much |
| 16:27.49 | goozbach | JoshH: I'm with you |
| 16:28.04 | goozbach | I *KNOW* what iptables commands are going to do |
| 16:28.16 | goozbach | I have to fiddle and fix shorewall quite a bit more. |
| 16:29.08 | JoshH | it's not exactly hard, but i'd prefer a regular firewall setup every time |
| 16:31.33 | JoshH | on personal/single boxes, i use iptables-save and iptables-restore scripts in the /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and if-post-down.d directories (on debian) |
| 16:32.19 | JoshH | but init scripts are fine too |
| 16:41.08 | goozbach | dusts off the /etc directories in these old servers... I don't often have to touch them. |
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| 17:01.52 | Jayce^_ | mrpull: from people who know him, his driving is *always* that way, and having the firearm in the bag is normal, but without the permit, it's illegal *if* loaded. He probably would be dumb enough to do it |
| 17:02.22 | mrpull | he loves the attention |
| 17:02.26 | mrpull | even if it is negative |
| 17:02.32 | Jayce^_ | and he's dumb enough to do those things |
| 17:02.34 | fadein | The identify command that comes with imagemagick is a really handy way to find out the dimensions and other stats about an image file. Is there a comparable command to do that with sound files? |
| 17:02.54 | mrpull | he also told the cop "You know you think I'm hot." |
| 17:03.00 | fadein | I'd like to know the duration of the file, format, bitrate, total number of samples, etc. |
| 17:03.01 | Jayce^_ | *snicker* |
| 17:03.20 | JoshH | i'm guessing you're talking about superdell |
| 17:03.25 | mrpull | correct! |
| 17:03.26 | Jayce^_ | :) |
| 17:03.28 | mrpull | ding ding ding |
| 17:03.40 | JoshH | heh, there weren't a lot of possibilities |
| 17:03.47 | JoshH | unless it was just someone that only you guys knew |
| 17:04.03 | Jayce^_ | one of those guys, anything he does, he destroys... it's kinda like old jesse :) |
| 17:04.23 | Jayce^_ | JoshH: mrpull was commenting on the 'fanny-pack' quote |
| 17:04.52 | mrpull | I wonder how expired his CWP was |
| 17:05.01 | mrpull | as crazy as he is, he should know better |
| 17:05.10 | JoshH | ah, didn't even notice he was in the news again |
| 17:05.13 | Jayce^_ | mrpull: yeah, and he was supposed to know better with flying |
| 17:05.34 | mrpull | I gotta wonder what his wife and kids think |
| 17:05.38 | mrpull | do they think he is normal? |
| 17:05.57 | Jayce^_ | probably like a plig family thinks they are normal :) |
| 17:06.08 | JoshH | In one hearing, Schanze claimed to have once had a relationship with Jarvis, telling her, in court, "You know you think I'm hot." Jarvis says she'd never met Schanze until the charges surfaced. |
| 17:06.12 | JoshH | that's so awesome |
| 17:06.24 | JoshH | i feel so bad for his kids |
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| 17:30.07 | unum | programming in pgplsql brings back fond memories of pascal |
| 17:31.00 | sjansen | fond? |
| 17:31.13 | sjansen | I do not think that words means what you think it means. |
| 17:31.23 | sjansen | Could I suggest "painful"? |
| 17:31.33 | sjansen | It's a perfectly usable word, and accurate. |
| 17:32.28 | unum | I have fond memories of pascal... |
| 17:34.00 | levi | Pascal wasn't that bad. |
| 17:35.49 | mrpull | I thought Pascal with Delphi was pretty slick for RAD |
| 17:36.48 | Sargun | My job is fulfilling, I get to hunt down people in our outsourced office who aren't doing work. |
| 17:36.57 | Sargun | I get to build infrastructure for outsourcing |
| 17:39.11 | Jayce^_ | yeah, especially with delphi, I had some good times with pascal, back in the day |
| 17:47.07 | Sargun | DELPHI! |
| 18:03.06 | unum | there's not a single developer in my department who's not carrying his weight ;) |
| 18:07.16 | goozbach | unum: methinks you're biased |
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| 18:07.27 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:08.24 | unum | goozbach: maybe a little |
| 18:13.11 | Sargun | unum, how many programmers are there in your department |
| 18:14.34 | goozbach | Sargun: I bet you can't infer the number from his above comment |
| 18:14.44 | Sargun | 1 |
| 18:14.47 | Sargun | 1 being paid |
| 18:14.49 | Sargun | 0 working |
| 18:16.55 | unum | there's one. and he's working very hard :) |
| 18:17.08 | unum | I'm insulted |
| 18:17.46 | unum | the real question isn't if I'm working. it's "do I know what I'm doing?" |
| 18:17.57 | unum | I thought I was applying for a junior sysadmin job.... |
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| 22:59.04 | eggyknap | Ok, my wife and I will be in Orem/Provo this evening, and need somewhere nice to go for dinner. Suggestions, anyone? |
| 23:00.01 | eggyknap | Unfortunately we can't be very open to... unusual food choices... because the baby might respond poorly if mommy eats strangely. |
| 23:09.28 | macnewbold | eggyknap: my wife likes carrabas in orem a lot |
| 23:09.39 | macnewbold | italian food |
| 23:10.29 | eggyknap | I'm also wondering where *won't* be innundated with graduation people :) |
| 23:10.52 | macnewbold | in american fork, there's a great thai place on main street - thai village |
| 23:11.31 | eggyknap | Mmm... thai... might scare the little kid, though... |
| 23:13.06 | macnewbold | our kids like it a lot. it's not all spicy. their Mussaman curry is pretty kid-friendly |
| 23:13.34 | macnewbold | their mango sticky rice dessert is awesome, and their satay chicken appetizer with peanut sauce is great |
| 23:13.50 | macnewbold | I know a lot more places in SLC than down south, so I'm about out of options for you |
| 23:13.56 | fugue88 | University Mall has a Spaghetti Factory, last I remember. |
| 23:13.58 | eggyknap | Well, sufficie it to say that mommy will be digesting it first, before baby has to :) But Thai Village is looking like a very suitable option, anyway. |
| 23:14.04 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:14.16 | eggyknap | Especially because it's far enough from Provo that it might not be full of graduation parties... maybe. |
| 23:14.19 | macnewbold | didn't know the kid was that little, but makes sense |
| 23:14.30 | macnewbold | I think they take reservations |
| 23:16.23 | eggyknap | thx for the suggestions. Time to run off... |
| 23:16.25 | eggyknap | KTHXBYE |
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