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| 00:19.20 | elg | hm, your fingers bend in odd ways |
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| 01:49.41 | sjansen | I'm learning about deploying Java applets. |
| 01:50.25 | sjansen | The good news is Java applets have become a lot more usable since the last time I looked closely at them. (1996) |
| 01:50.47 | sjansen | The bad news is, reading about how to deploy applets to modern browsers makes me want to cry. |
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| 03:59.35 | findlay | hello |
| 04:00.05 | findlay | ~deploy sjansen |
| 04:00.23 | bonez46 | hi findlay |
| 04:00.52 | findlay | hello mr bone man |
| 04:01.04 | bonez46 | hehe.. thanks. how are you? |
| 04:01.27 | findlay | fine |
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| 04:53.59 | Supaplex | after he proposed on the phone, he went to the nearest kinkos to print and mail them. |
| 04:54.15 | Supaplex | yeah. that's it. ;) hehe jk! |
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| 05:34.18 | ChrisAR | hi |
| 05:34.28 | ChrisAR | anyone here has played with functional languages much? |
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| 05:47.03 | ChrisAR | anybody alive? |
| 05:52.07 | Supaplex | of course not |
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| 05:52.46 | Supaplex | wb sjansen |
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| 06:20.13 | blindsyte | is anyone in here? in a nutshell what is this channel about? |
| 06:20.50 | blindsyte | wakka wakka wakka |
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| 11:40.51 | ChrisAR | good morning |
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| 14:28.18 | Jayce^ | "A defense lawyer in the Pirate Bay file-sharing case said Thursday he will demand a retrial after the judge admitted he was a member of copyright-protection organizations." |
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| 16:06.24 | elg | sjansen: at least provide us a link to a video that proves that death is worth constantly reminding us about it |
| 16:10.10 | sjansen | http://www.wtso.net/movie/25-The |
| 16:10.13 | brac | [Watching: The Simpsons 1104 Treehouse of Horror X | Watch The Simpsons Online - FREE!] |
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| 16:36.32 | ChrisAR | hi kittens |
| 16:36.51 | ChrisAR | question: has one of you played with functional languages a lot? |
| 16:38.16 | stderr | I'd answer but calling me a "kitten" has creeped me out enough to hesistate in my response. |
| 16:39.27 | ChrisAR | ok. Can I call you "puppy" instead? |
| 16:39.30 | ChrisAR | j/k |
| 16:42.31 | unum | I have a friend that calls my kitties puppies.... |
| 16:42.43 | unum | ChrisAR: what do you mean "played wiht functional languages" |
| 16:42.54 | unum | I've used a lot of functional languages |
| 16:43.40 | ChrisAR | well, I'm considering looking into some functional languages for graphics programming |
| 16:44.07 | ChrisAR | what are good languages that are very optimized for speed and also are easy to parallelize over multiple cores? |
| 16:44.12 | unum | what are you hoping to accomplish with this graphics programming? |
| 16:44.14 | unum | c++ |
| 16:44.41 | elg | in what way is c++ easy to parallelize? |
| 16:44.43 | ChrisAR | hmm, I'd say C++ is anything but easy to parallelize |
| 16:44.51 | ChrisAR | anyways |
| 16:45.05 | ChrisAR | I'm going to work on ray tracing style algorithms |
| 16:45.07 | unum | well it's optimized compared to most other common languages |
| 16:45.12 | jshipley | ChrisAR: You could try erlang. That should be easy to parallelize |
| 16:45.14 | ChrisAR | usually, this does not rely in mutable data |
| 16:45.17 | unum | most video games are c++ for that reason |
| 16:45.43 | elg | c++ is one of the closer-to-bare-metal languages and therefore one of the fast languages |
| 16:45.50 | elg | but it is anything but easy to parallelize |
| 16:45.57 | ChrisAR | I agree with elg |
| 16:46.10 | elg | ChrisAR: look at erlang, clojure, scala |
| 16:46.17 | ChrisAR | anyways, I'm looking for some functional language that is close to the metal and easy to parallelize |
| 16:46.22 | elg | don't know if erlang has gl bindings but wouldn't be surprised if it does |
| 16:46.30 | ChrisAR | I don't care about gl |
| 16:46.38 | ChrisAR | this is for rendering still images |
| 16:46.50 | elg | ah. well then erlang or clojure would be my recommendations |
| 16:46.57 | ChrisAR | how close to the metal are they? |
| 16:47.10 | ChrisAR | and how optimized is the code produced? |
| 16:47.12 | elg | clojure is as fast as java, but java has numerical computing issues |
| 16:47.27 | elg | erlang is fast but a bit spartan |
| 16:47.37 | ChrisAR | spartan? |
| 16:47.43 | jshipley | If you want to go with erlang, make sure to watch the erlang video first |
| 16:47.44 | elg | in programmer amenities |
| 16:47.46 | elg | libraries etc. |
| 16:47.55 | elg | the erlang movie is teh awesome |
| 16:48.01 | ChrisAR | what would you say about ocaml? |
| 16:48.07 | elg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78 |
| 16:48.12 | elg | haven't played with ocaml |
| 16:48.13 | jshipley | I love OCaml |
| 16:48.14 | elg | levi has |
| 16:48.32 | sjansen | If you want a fast, functional language ocaml has the best reputation. |
| 16:48.43 | jshipley | I've read that compiled OCaml code can compete with C for speed |
| 16:49.09 | ChrisAR | I'm particularly considering F# |
| 16:49.17 | sjansen | Now if you want to use what all the cool kids are using, Haskell is the only way to fly. |
| 16:49.18 | ChrisAR | a derivative of Ocaml for .NET |
| 16:49.33 | sjansen | 'Cause, you know, Haskell is cool... and stuff. |
| 16:49.52 | ChrisAR | well, from what I understand, Haskell demands that you use functional programming |
| 16:49.57 | ChrisAR | I don't like to be tied down |
| 16:50.00 | ChrisAR | like Java with OOP |
| 16:50.09 | jshipley | If you want .NET, F# would be a good way to go |
| 16:50.11 | ChrisAR | do erlang and clojure have the same? |
| 16:50.31 | sjansen | Haskell also has very unpredictable performance and memory characteristics. |
| 16:50.33 | ChrisAR | I don't care too much about .NET as much as speed and easy concurrency over multiple cores |
| 16:50.57 | sjansen | The best reason to learn Haskell is that it's mind bending. |
| 16:51.19 | ChrisAR | well, I want to program for a purpose other than a mental exercise |
| 16:51.34 | ChrisAR | has anyone here played with F#? |
| 16:51.39 | sjansen | declares ChanServ uncool |
| 16:51.50 | sjansen | I've played with OCaml but not F#. |
| 16:51.55 | ChrisAR | also, how easy is to do concurrent programming in erlang and clojure? |
| 16:52.10 | sjansen | erlang is all about concurrency |
| 16:52.30 | sjansen | erlang is also all about about binary data... not so much strings |
| 16:52.55 | ChrisAR | how good is it with regard to speed? |
| 16:53.04 | ChrisAR | also, how close to the metal? |
| 16:53.42 | sjansen | which is kinda odd since one of the most widely known erlang apps (ejabberd) is all about processing XML-based XMPP (Jabber) data |
| 16:54.05 | jsmith-teaching | sjansen: I was just gonna say something about that :-) |
| 16:54.14 | ^Migs^ | whatever happened to Ruby on Rails? Does anyone use that anymore? |
| 16:55.08 | sjansen | erlang runs in a VM that is designed first and foremost for concurrency and resiliency, but most people seem happy with its performance |
| 16:55.10 | elg | yeah erlang and strings is like climbing in a time machine and going back too far |
| 16:55.27 | sjansen | really, if you want to get close to the metal, ocaml is probably your best bet |
| 16:55.46 | ChrisAR | ok |
| 16:56.03 | ChrisAR | I think I'll go with F#, since it's almost the same that Ocaml but also supports SMP |
| 16:56.04 | ChrisAR | Ocaml doesn't |
| 16:56.21 | ChrisAR | it has its own user-space light threading systems that doesn't scale with cores |
| 16:56.43 | jshipley | From what I read on the Microsoft website, you could compile most F# code with an OCaml compiler -- there are probably Microsoft extensions, but that's normal |
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| 17:35.41 | Jayce^ | wow, geocities will stop accepting new customers now |
| 17:45.16 | tensai | oh no! now where will people post their midi files? |
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| 18:02.45 | levi | jshipley: You can compile most OCaml code with F#, but idiomatic F# has diverged enough from OCaml that the reverse isn't true. |
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| 18:25.49 | sjansen | tensai: s/oh no/oh noes/ |
| 18:26.11 | JoshH | geocities still exists? |
| 18:45.14 | ^Migs^ | http://www.doctoroctoroc.com/video-game-inspired-music/8-bit-jesus-new-christmas-chip-tune-album/ |
| 18:57.17 | elg | ^Migs^: you'll like this one http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8015242.stm |
| 18:57.19 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | Bullet bounces off US woman's bra] |
| 18:57.22 | elg | good mythbusters fodder |
| 18:57.34 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 18:57.48 | stderr | Apple pulled a 99-cent iPhone game called "Baby Shaker" from its iTunes store Wednesday after its premise - quiet a crying baby with a vigorous shake - prompted outrage |
| 18:58.26 | ^Migs^ | Can we confirm it was the bra and not implants that deflected the bullet? |
| 18:58.46 | elg | methinks apple will soon regret being the app police |
| 18:58.50 | ^Migs^ | I saw a video of that on youtube, stderr |
| 18:59.06 | ^Migs^ | and the crying baby is just a drawn image |
| 18:59.12 | elg | speaking of |
| 18:59.13 | elg | http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/game/100 |
| 18:59.16 | brac | [DOS Games Archive | Bouncing Babies] |
| 18:59.16 | ^Migs^ | it's pretty pointless |
| 18:59.18 | elg | that was an awesome game |
| 18:59.20 | ^Migs^ | yes it was! |
| 18:59.30 | ^Migs^ | is Apple going to pull that too? |
| 18:59.41 | elg | someone should port it to the iphone |
| 18:59.41 | ^Migs^ | bwahaha |
| 18:59.58 | ^Migs^ | already has |
| 19:00.01 | ^Migs^ | it's called "Baby Bounce" though |
| 19:00.24 | ^Migs^ | http://axostudios.com/babybounce/ |
| 19:01.08 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.14 | elg | lacks all the charm of the original |
| 19:01.41 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 19:01.49 | unum | I remember playing that game |
| 19:03.32 | elg | debates whether to join the downloading hoardes and update his ubuntu systems just to be mean, or wait a few days because he doesn't care |
| 19:04.05 | tensai | installs opensuse on elg's machine |
| 19:04.14 | elg | nooooo |
| 19:05.59 | elg | needs chocolate |
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| 19:39.18 | jshipley | doesn't have to worry about the ubuntu release download flood -- they don't affect the Arch repositories at all |
| 19:39.28 | jshipley | or the Debian repositories |
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| 19:41.49 | sjansen | What about roaming mobs of Ubuntu users violently repurposing Arch mirrors to server Ubuntu? |
| 19:41.50 | sjansen | Never considered that did you? |
| 19:41.56 | sjansen | I didn't think so. |
| 19:42.06 | sjansen | rests his case |
| 19:46.07 | elg | ~rest sjansne |
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| 21:15.57 | ^Migs^ | "Chrysler is up against an April 30 deadline to submit a restructuring plan to the Treasury Department to qualify for more bailout money. The company has already received about $5 billion and is looking for more to keep assembly lines running." |
| 21:16.06 | ^Migs^ | so $5 billion just went down the drain? |
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| 21:26.04 | Jayce^ | that's ok, GM is closing plants, failing their first "debt payment" and holding cash until bankruptcy filings |
| 21:27.21 | manithree | Obama *Fixed It!* |
| 21:29.33 | ^Migs^ | I'm so sick of Obama's recession, and him giving out billions of bucks to corporate fatcats, then sitting there grinning and twiddling his thumbs, thinking the problem is solved |
| 21:29.45 | ^Migs^ | What a colossally incompetent president. |
| 21:30.25 | Jayce^ | more of the same govt |
| 21:30.30 | JoshH | meh, he's listening to economists, most of whom think the bailouts (at least some) were needed to prevent complete collapse |
| 21:30.49 | JoshH | i doubt any other president would be handling it much differently |
| 21:31.13 | JoshH | nobody actually likes the idea of giving companies tax money, of course |
| 21:31.21 | Jayce^ | I can think of a few that would :) but none that the current major parties would want to endorse |
| 21:31.24 | jshipley | here's where the bailout money is going: http://tinyurl.com/d5kgl8 |
| 21:31.26 | brac | [The Ticker - |
| 21:31.26 | brac | Auditor: 'Hundreds Of Billions' Of Bailout Could Be Lost To Fraud - |
| 21:31.26 | brac | Economy Watch |
| 21:31.27 | brac | ] |
| 21:33.44 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 21:33.51 | ^Migs^ | it's not obvious that bailout money has to be closely monitored? |
| 21:34.34 | jshipley | Ford seems to have the right idea. More companies should follow their example instead of getting billions in bailouts that will be wasted/embezzled: http://tinyurl.com/dhpfnm |
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| 21:40.16 | Jayce^ | I've always hated ford vehicles, and liked GM /trucks/.. but I can't see myself buying a gm again |
| 21:41.41 | Sargun | hehe |
| 21:42.09 | manithree | Jayce^: I love my Suburban. But if GM can't make money selling those beasts, they deserve to go under. My other car is a Bianchi. |
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| 21:56.02 | Jayce^ | Yeah, our Tahoe is still amazing, even after all the miles and hard wear we have on it, last year we had started planning on when we'd replace it.. now it'll be with something else |
| 21:58.14 | sjansen | Obama's recession? This started under Bush, including the transfer of taxes to corporations. |
| 21:58.53 | Jayce^ | sjansen: actually it's just a continuation of the clinton.. |
| 21:59.24 | Jayce^ | which.... can keep going.. it's avoidance of responsibility, deferment of pain.. |
| 22:01.09 | Jayce^ | even the transferring of taxes was going long before bush |
| 22:01.35 | stderr | the majority of economists have concluded that spending like this is needed. Some are even arguing that Obama isn't doing enough. |
| 22:01.35 | Jayce^ | he just kept doing the same things (along with congress) that they'd been doing |
| 22:01.37 | stderr | Second, complaining about taxes is laughable. Taxes are lower then when Reagan was president. |
| 22:01.54 | Jayce^ | stderr: no, certain groups of "approved" economists agree... many disagree |
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| 22:02.21 | Jayce^ | stderr: as for taxes, only when you play certain games |
| 22:02.41 | stderr | I find it fascinating that after 8 years of ballooning the cost of the federal government under a REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSE and a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, Republicans think they have the right to throw "tea parties". |
| 22:03.01 | Jayce^ | remember when the progressive tax was cappped at 7% yeah |
| 22:03.12 | stderr | (which is asinine to begin with - the Boston tea party was about _taxation_ without _representation_. Vote your representation out if you don't like what you're doing. |
| 22:03.26 | Jayce^ | stderr: because you like playing partisan, most the taa parties were ANTI republican... but of course you wouldn't want to pay attention to that |
| 22:03.42 | Jayce^ | stderr: as for voting out, that's exactly what we did here, notice how canon is gone? |
| 22:04.17 | stderr | Jayce^: What about Bennett? |
| 22:04.25 | Jayce^ | i had to #$@ register as a republican to vote cannon out |
| 22:04.55 | Jayce^ | bennet is up next election :) caucuses are this week, I know a few folks that are crashing the party to help make a case :) |
| 22:05.14 | stderr | and these tea parties are composed of the same people who told liberals to shut up when we wanted more transparency on where our money was going during the Bush years. |
| 22:05.49 | stderr | as the federal government became noticeably more bloated |
| 22:06.12 | Jayce^ | dont' remember that being the issue (bloat) for protests back then... though it was an argument I've long been for.. |
| 22:06.35 | stderr | Jayce^: "Bloating" encompasses a lot of things in my mind - expansion of federal powers is certainly a part. |
| 22:06.38 | unum | caucuses are not this week |
| 22:06.57 | Jayce^ | unum: Repub's are on saturday |
| 22:07.23 | unum | we might have different definitions of caucuses |
| 22:07.30 | unum | there are many :) |
| 22:07.35 | unum | even with in the party |
| 22:07.44 | stderr | don't get me wrong, I have a tooth to pick with Obama on a lot of issues, but he's been in for a very short amount of time. I certainly gave Bush a good 2 or 3 years before I started to grind my axe. |
| 22:07.52 | stderr | err a bone to pick* |
| 22:08.05 | unum | the precinct caucuses(which are the ones that matter for tossing people out) are not until next year |
| 22:08.22 | Jayce^ | meh, I ripped on his method of "stopping the recession" back when he was campaigning (bush) |
| 22:09.24 | Jayce^ | unum: yeah, but a lot of the groundwork for part politics, and how they'll handle it are set up this year.. both parties are playing a bigger game this time in blocking incumbents and "the chosen ones" from gaining ground |
| 22:09.44 | Jayce^ | UT repubs were scared crapless by what Chaffetz did last year |
| 22:09.59 | unum | I'm not sure who the republican elect at which convention |
| 22:10.15 | unum | I would think state party leadership would be up at the state convention but that would be it |
| 22:10.16 | Jayce^ | makes me happy that it worked, but they're playing different tools to keep it from happening again |
| 22:10.31 | unum | the salt lake county democrats are in the process of changing when leg chairs get elected |
| 22:10.32 | stderr | Jayce^: what'd Chaffetz do last year? |
| 22:10.57 | unum | but you only get to vote in the convention if you were elected in last years caucuses |
| 22:11.05 | Jayce^ | stderr: he was a nobody, took no public money, and beat the snot out of the "Popular" "conservative" candidate |
| 22:11.19 | stderr | ah nice |
| 22:11.31 | stderr | name sounds really familiar |
| 22:11.37 | unum | I think chaffetz brand of conservatism is most popular in utah county |
| 22:11.53 | Jayce^ | actually took him out in the first caucuses, but canon played politics, actually broke the rules to stay in, by 1%.. |
| 22:11.54 | unum | shurtleff has won state wide office so he may be able to beat out bennet |
| 22:11.55 | JoshH | s/most/only |
| 22:12.00 | Jayce^ | then went to primaries and got hammered |
| 22:12.13 | unum | you say caucus where I say convention |
| 22:12.35 | Jayce^ | not a big fan of shurtleff, but hey, if he can beat bennet right now (though I hear there are some others that might finally step up) |
| 22:12.57 | JoshH | it's funny how nobody in utah actually likes any members of utah's delegation |
| 22:13.07 | unum | Matheson's not bad. |
| 22:13.14 | Jayce^ | then gotta find somebody who can smack hatch |
| 22:13.17 | unum | he's not the greatest but he's not hatch |
| 22:13.21 | Jayce^ | dont' care too much for matheson |
| 22:13.33 | unum | Hatch brings home the bacon. That's why people vote for him. |
| 22:13.34 | Jayce^ | the bit I've met/talked with/done with chaffetz I've really liked him.. |
| 22:13.37 | Jayce^ | we'll see where he goes |
| 22:13.38 | unum | pure complete corruption |
| 22:13.50 | unum | I of course don't like chaffetz |
| 22:13.55 | JoshH | chaffetz seems like a gimmick to me |
| 22:14.05 | unum | he is. |
| 22:14.06 | Jayce^ | unum: probably explains more of why I like him :) |
| 22:14.38 | unum | It'll be a long time before we get to see chaffetz actually do something |
| 22:14.42 | JoshH | he beats cannon (which is honestly a great thing) by promising to out-conservative him, then gets to DC and starts being a goofball, but not actually being much different than any other utah reps |
| 22:14.46 | stderr | Jayce^: what do you think of Hunstman? |
| 22:15.02 | Jayce^ | he cosponsored the audit the fed, first bill is to ban TSA total body scanners :) |
| 22:15.16 | Jayce^ | stderr: a tool.. |
| 22:15.26 | unum | the real question is what does he think Super Dell |
| 22:15.51 | Jayce^ | hehe, found out super dell is now renting a house next to a friends :) losing everything :) |
| 22:15.58 | JoshH | huntsman is the best governor we've had in as long as i can remember, possibly ever |
| 22:15.59 | sjansen | considers moving back to ND where the people are sane |
| 22:16.05 | Jayce^ | JoshH: chaffetz seems to be doing a really good job so far |
| 22:16.12 | stderr | I really like Huntsman too. |
| 22:16.23 | JoshH | Jayce^: i do like the TSA thing, but his reasoning isn't impressive |
| 22:16.24 | Jayce^ | huntsman is a waste, |
| 22:16.55 | JoshH | instead of being against it because it shows your junk, be against it because it's a stupid idea, and propose some real reforms to the current joke that is airport security |
| 22:17.31 | JoshH | not bad though overall, for a first bill |
| 22:17.46 | Jayce^ | actually he did make a large statement about that when he introduced it.. |
| 22:17.56 | JoshH | my main gripes with chaffetz are his obviously impractical solutions for immigration |
| 22:18.27 | Jayce^ | among other things "The only way we know they aren't saving this is their word, and how much is that worth" |
| 22:18.27 | Jayce^ | paraphrased.. |
| 22:18.27 | JoshH | get the base fired up by promising to send the mexicans to tent cities like sherriff joe |
| 22:18.40 | JoshH | when there is clearly no way to pull that off |
| 22:18.45 | Jayce^ | "clearly" |
| 22:19.09 | sjansen | We managed to do it with the Japanese. What makes you think it'll be harder this time? |
| 22:19.17 | stderr | hahahaha. Conservatives: "Oh, god, FEMA camps!!!!" "Hey, let's build some camps to hold Mexicans in." |
| 22:19.18 | JoshH | it's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard, and i am in favor of immigration reform and stronger border security |
| 22:19.31 | Jayce^ | stderr: actually, the point is deportation |
| 22:19.37 | unum | sweet he's running for mayor |
| 22:19.43 | JoshH | he was just pandering to the types who rage against mexicans on the ksl forums |
| 22:19.43 | stderr | Jayce^: ah, right, the _point_. |
| 22:20.00 | JoshH | and it worked, and cannon is gone, so i can't complain too much (i despised cannon) |
| 22:20.14 | elg | sjansen: people are sane somewhere? |
| 22:20.15 | sjansen | We need to build tent cities in the deserts, put all the illegals in them, and experiment on them until they get super powers. |
| 22:20.20 | Jayce^ | saying his "plan" is to build tent camps isn't his point at all, but detracting from what he said |
| 22:20.26 | unum | I know someone who works for bennet. All day she takes calls from people complaining about how mexicans are taking over provo |
| 22:20.35 | unum | so I know that sort of thing sells real well in provo |
| 22:20.42 | stderr | sjansen: Think of the efficiency in fruit harvesting! |
| 22:20.43 | stderr | >_< |
| 22:20.53 | unum | really we just need to tighten up the border |
| 22:20.53 | elg | happy valley: xenophobia capital of the west |
| 22:20.58 | unum | elg: so true |
| 22:21.12 | sjansen | Sure, we might create a Sylar, but those are the risks we have to take if we want to stay a super power. |
| 22:21.13 | unum | we took it from them fair and square who do they think they are |
| 22:21.39 | unum | so what city is super dell running for mayor of? |
| 22:21.41 | Jayce^ | ah the joys of watching unum look down form his mighty perch :) |
| 22:21.57 | sjansen | I seriously doubt that happy valley is the xenophobia capital of the west. |
| 22:22.09 | JoshH | actually sjansen, there was a recent study |
| 22:22.20 | elg | but it makes a nice soundbite |
| 22:22.20 | sjansen | First, happy valley is filled by too many people who know first hand that people outside the US are human too. |
| 22:22.24 | JoshH | about which states were the most opposed to increased hispanic immigration or something |
| 22:22.26 | Jayce^ | sjansen: shhhh.. it validates him :) |
| 22:22.34 | JoshH | and i can't remember which was first, but utah and wyoming were the top 2 |
| 22:22.45 | sjansen | Second, happy valley is too rich to be anti-immigrant. |
| 22:23.04 | unum | sjansen: you obvisouly know different people there than I do |
| 22:23.15 | elg | all i know is missionaries or no people are more hispanic-hostile in happy valley than they are in new mexico |
| 22:23.30 | elg | which would of course be expected, since 1/3 of new mexicans (at least) are hispanic anyway |
| 22:23.44 | JoshH | the anti-immigrant types don't hate hispanics or anything, they aren't racist, but they HATE things like signs being written in spanish, or spanish on their kids cartoons, spanish options on phone menus, etc |
| 22:23.45 | elg | though they've been in the us for generations |
| 22:23.51 | sjansen | You might be able to find a handful of people in happy valley that are afraid of losing their jobs to foreigners, but I bet more are interested in using them work on their homes. |
| 22:23.51 | elg | some longer than the area has been the us |
| 22:23.58 | JoshH | what they are afraid of is america's culture becoming more hispanic |
| 22:24.02 | stderr | there's going to be a xenophobic pushback in _any_ town that is populated by humans and sees an influx of a new culture. That's humanity. |
| 22:24.14 | elg | yup |
| 22:24.24 | unum | they're catholic and not mormon, they really hate that |
| 22:24.26 | JoshH | that's basically what it is, a culture clash |
| 22:24.28 | elg | and happy valley is not short on its own brand of culture |
| 22:24.34 | stderr | I'd certainly say that Mormon culture seems to be way more accepting of different cultures than most other "conservative" groups. |
| 22:24.41 | unum | stderr: but some areas already have more diversity so they don't mind |
| 22:25.19 | stderr | do Mexicans sell fresh fruit on every corner of SLC too? |
| 22:25.27 | stderr | because here in Reno, I LOVE IT. |
| 22:25.50 | JoshH | stderr: no, but i LOVE the downtown taco stands |
| 22:25.57 | JoshH | get 2 amazingly good tacos and a drink for 3 bucks |
| 22:26.09 | JoshH | and they've never made me ill, unlike taco bell, which gets me every time |
| 22:26.22 | sjansen | Bah, fruit stands in the US can't hold a candle to fruit stands in Brasil. |
| 22:26.44 | JoshH | we need a lot more food carts here in utah |
| 22:26.50 | stderr | well, it certainly isn't a "fruit stand". It's more like a couple mexicans with a bunch of boxes of strawberries and oranges |
| 22:27.12 | JoshH | it would be nice to have your pick of philly cheesesteaks, hot dogs, tacos, etc on every street, without going into actual restaurants and paying way too much |
| 22:27.46 | Sargun_screen | JoshH: or gaining weight |
| 22:28.03 | stderr | a lunch gun? |
| 22:28.10 | stderr | </patton oswalt> |
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| 22:28.13 | JoshH | it's very tough to find a lunch for under 10 bucks in downtown SLC unless you go to a taco stand or carls jr |
| 22:28.23 | JoshH | and that carls is nasty |
| 22:28.27 | Sargun_screen | wow, that's surprising |
| 22:28.29 | sjansen | No, what we need is sugar cane juice stands. You haven't lived until you've had raw sugar cane juice with crushed lime on a hot day. |
| 22:28.40 | stderr | sjansen: that, sir, sounds delicious. |
| 22:28.49 | Sargun_screen | you can get a full lunch here for about $9 |
| 22:28.56 | Sargun_screen | and a fairly good one |
| 22:29.11 | JoshH | what city are you in? |
| 22:29.14 | Sargun_screen | like, a sandwich, a drink, and chips |
| 22:29.18 | Sargun_screen | SJC |
| 22:29.26 | JoshH | proper? |
| 22:29.33 | sjansen | I wouldn't mind being able to buy churros, pasteis or salgadinhos either. |
| 22:29.38 | Sargun_screen | I don't mean subway, I mean zanattos, or freshly baked |
| 22:29.45 | Sargun_screen | JoshH: downttown sjc |
| 22:30.09 | Sargun_screen | city hall is about 2 blocks from me |
| 22:30.33 | stderr | I heard big city soup was shutting down, which nixes one of two reasons I come to SLC every couple months. |
| 22:30.42 | sjansen | You can find lunch for < $10 in downtown SLC too. It just that most places don't seem to last long, so you've gotta stay on top of things. |
| 22:30.55 | JoshH | they did shut down, but i think they plan to move somewhere else |
| 22:31.00 | Sargun_screen | or like, a slice of pizza is $4... |
| 22:31.23 | Sargun_screen | uhm, the awesome burrito I have is $7 |
| 22:33.20 | goozbach | needs to find a taco stand near his house |
| 22:33.46 | Sargun_screen | roach moile? |
| 22:34.05 | JoshH | in slc we have several taco stands, and one hot dog/nachos/etc stand |
| 22:34.05 | sjansen | goozbach: Remember the taco stand near the Bountiful post office? |
| 22:34.30 | goozbach | ohh yes |
| 22:34.35 | goozbach | reminises |
| 22:34.41 | sjansen | I think they're the same family that runs one of the stands in downtown SLC. |
| 22:34.50 | goozbach | but the best one is jonny's ricos tacos |
| 22:34.55 | goozbach | in west valley |
| 22:35.01 | sjansen | The live in my apartment complex. |
| 22:35.08 | goozbach | in the parking lot of the ace hardware on 35th south |
| 22:35.15 | goozbach | best taco stand in the valley |
| 22:35.40 | goozbach | yes, I did a comparitive analisis. |
| 22:35.54 | sjansen | I don't doubt it. |
| 22:37.01 | fadein | goozbach: is jonny's ricos tacos east or west of bangerter? |
| 22:40.14 | goozbach | fadein: west |
| 22:40.19 | goozbach | almost in Magna |
| 22:41.01 | goozbach | I wonder if it's still in operation... |
| 22:41.56 | fadein | goozbach: I'll have to check that out. I've been going to one place, just south of 41st South on 56th west. Something like "Tacos El Rey De Oros" or something. 3 tacos and a horchata for $3. |
| 22:42.29 | fadein | goozbach: they do one with sweet and spicy pork that's amazing |
| 22:43.39 | goozbach | fadein: not familiar with that taco stand |
| 22:43.59 | fadein | that one isn't a stand. they're a brick-and-mortar. |
| 22:43.59 | goozbach | it must be newer than 4 years |
| 22:44.03 | goozbach | ohh |
| 22:44.07 | goozbach | that explains it |
| 22:44.24 | goozbach | there's a brick and mortar near my house which is tasty |
| 22:44.40 | goozbach | Tacos Locos, but I miss the taco stand atmosphere |
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