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| 00:56.55 | levi | Argh, must write this cubic spline program... |
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| 03:06.15 | levi | Awesome Chuck episode tonight. :) |
| 03:07.53 | bonez46 | Awesome 24 episode too |
| 03:08.51 | bonez46 | I have 8.10 ubuntu desktop running.. and am connected, clearly, but I have a red X by my network connection icon.. in the system tray. WHY? |
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| 03:10.34 | bonez46 | hello? |
| 03:12.02 | bonez46 | am I on? |
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| 10:44.17 | ibot | kisses a girl $20 at V.I. by the government. |
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| 14:33.55 | Jayce^ | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705298541/Frightened-burglar-soils-himself.html |
| 14:33.56 | brac | [Deseret News | Teen soils self after deputy surprises him] |
| 14:34.13 | Jayce^ | I like the extra details that have made it to the stories today, vs yesterday |
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| 15:24.49 | goozbach | sjansen: I think I have a lead in the "power status change leaves the brightness artifact on your screen" problem |
| 15:25.20 | sjansen | oh? |
| 15:25.22 | goozbach | I can't consistently make the artifact appear |
| 15:25.33 | goozbach | but I have figured out how to make it dissapear |
| 15:26.04 | goozbach | I've had to close all flash tabs in my browser |
| 15:26.37 | goozbach | then open a browser window/tab which loads mplayer-plugin |
| 15:26.46 | goozbach | (a .wav or something) |
| 15:31.52 | ^Migs^ | is there some app besides OpenOffice CLI that can convert PowerPoints to SWFs? |
| 15:34.30 | goozbach | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=powerpoint+to+swf |
| 15:38.05 | ^Migs^ | wow thanks! |
| 15:39.15 | sjansen | ~shoot Ubuntu devs for autostarting stuff on installation and breaking stuff |
| 15:39.16 | ibot | ACTION shoots Ubuntu devs for autostarting stuff on installation and breaking stuff in the head with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 15:40.31 | goozbach | so sjansen whatever mplayer-plugin does to refresh the screen seems to blow away the artifact |
| 15:43.13 | Jayce^ | elg: here's a project for you to do at school http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht96HJ01SE4 |
| 15:47.25 | RyanE | Curmudgeon moment: It severely annoys me when the newspaper abbreviates Governor as 'Guv' in headlines. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705298582/Guv-draws-scrutiny-over-stance-on-civil-unions.html |
| 15:47.27 | brac | [Deseret News | Guv draws scrutiny over stance on civil unions] |
| 15:48.30 | elg | How about Gov.? |
| 15:48.32 | Jayce^ | cheerio guv'nah |
| 15:48.41 | RyanE | Yeah, that's what I'd expect. |
| 15:48.52 | elg | but that's not pseudo-brit |
| 15:48.55 | RyanE | Gov |
| 15:49.36 | sjansen | Government? |
| 15:50.12 | RyanE | They *both* start with Gov, so you could just as well abbreviate Government as Guv. |
| 15:50.23 | sjansen | I'd probably be annoyed too if I hadn't already written off newspapers as dead ends. |
| 15:50.39 | RyanE | I'm not reading the dead-tree version, I'm reading the RSS version. |
| 15:50.53 | RyanE | still *some* interesting local news there. |
| 15:50.59 | sjansen | Ah, well, gotta conserve those electrons. |
| 15:51.05 | RyanE | if you can get past the spelling mistakes and annoying headlines... :) |
| 15:54.26 | unum | reads his dead tree version everyday |
| 15:54.39 | unum | I got to read my rolly |
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| 17:20.09 | elg | doesn't really want to see everyone's twitter/identica replicated to facebook |
| 17:22.06 | Tene | yeah, srsly |
| 17:22.37 | Tene | Oh! Or maybe facebook posts could also be posted to twitter/identica! |
| 17:22.53 | Tene | And then blog rss feeds could be posted to all three, and the reverse! |
| 17:23.21 | dataw0lf | PERPPETUAL SPAM MACHINE! |
| 17:23.31 | elg | ~blog Tene |
| 17:23.31 | ibot | ACTION scrambles to his keyboard so he can proclaim to the world his unique knowledge and perspective on Tene |
| 17:34.39 | elg | our next contestant on wwjd (what would sjansen do?) has a battery that is old and has been losing time relatively rapidly and is bulging slightly, but still outlives most silly new PC laptop batteries and the system profiler says "health: good" |
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| 17:35.09 | elg | do i start the (possibly lengthy) process of getting a new battery from the department |
| 17:35.40 | elg | or do I just cross my fingers that it will be useful and not blow up for 2 more months until I graduate? |
| 17:39.47 | eightyeight | giving evolution a shot, but i don't like the order of the thread pane fields. i can see how i can customize the view for each folder, but i would like it to be applied to all. for example: subject, sender, date |
| 17:39.51 | eightyeight | any ideas? |
| 17:58.00 | levi | elg: How much effort on your part does it take to get the battery replaced? |
| 17:58.19 | elg | i just sent an email. we'll see if it's low effort or tooth-pulling effort |
| 17:59.10 | elg | the bulge is affecting my trackpad and it's getting on my nerves. and there's the whole "Is it going to blow up" thing |
| 17:59.11 | levi | Having the battery explode would ruin your day. |
| 17:59.47 | elg | so maybe I'll get a new battery either way. I wonder what the "couple months old" resale value of a macbook battery is on ebay |
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| 18:20.37 | sjansen | eightyeight: After you get one the way you like it, save it as a custom view and choose it for other folders. Not perfect, but workable. |
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| 19:23.30 | harleypig | Anyone familiar enough with apache2 ErrorDocument and ScriptAliasMatch can give me some pointers? |
| 19:23.43 | harleypig | #apache is fairly busy |
| 19:23.55 | harleypig | not nearly as bad as #perl :/ |
| 19:25.54 | macnewbold | harleypig: I use error document quite a lot, but haven't played much with scriptAliasMatch |
| 19:26.40 | sjansen | harleypig: Do you have a specific question? |
| 19:28.51 | harleypig | Yeah ... I've setup the following on both a test server and a live server 'ErrorDocument 500 /500Errors.pl' and 'ScriptAliasMatch /500Errors.pl /actual/path/to/500Errors.pl' so that any virtualhost that generates a 500 error will use the 500Errors.pl script. |
| 19:29.02 | harleypig | It works on my test server, but not my live server. |
| 19:29.32 | harleypig | It works fine from the command line on both servers (and it returns a Content-type: header) |
| 19:29.57 | harleypig | or rather ... prints out a Content-type: header |
| 19:30.31 | harleypig | ummm ... those directives are in the global section of the conf file, btw. |
| 19:32.04 | macnewbold | works on test, not on live - are they the same apache version? |
| 19:33.08 | harleypig | macnewbold: they're not, live is 2.2.3 and test is 2.2.8 ... |
| 19:33.24 | harleypig | I don't think there would be that much difference between such minor versions. |
| 19:33.39 | harleypig | and both directives existed before both of those versions. |
| 19:33.42 | macnewbold | agreed. possible cause, but not a probable cause |
| 19:34.46 | harleypig | :] Yeah, I'm keeping it in the back of my mind, but I can't find anything via google. |
| 19:40.25 | sjansen | Sounds like a configuration difference. Some sneaky little difference. |
| 19:42.57 | sjansen | Hard coded IP? Hostname? That sort of thing. |
| 19:43.13 | sjansen | Have you done a diff -u of the config on both machines? |
| 19:45.06 | harleypig | sjansen: wouldn't do any good ... they are nothing alike |
| 19:45.31 | sjansen | All the more likely then that there's a minor difference thwarting you. |
| 19:46.01 | sjansen | BTW, doesn't having totally different configs kinda kill the point of having a pre-prod environment? |
| 19:46.03 | harleypig | True. Hmmmm ... how would IP's affect things? There are multiple virtual network connections. |
| 19:46.17 | harleypig | sjansen: It's better than working on live. |
| 19:46.33 | harleypig | err ... multiple virtual ips on the live server. |
| 19:47.21 | sjansen | Is the setting being ignored because another VirtualHost overrides it? Is the setting accidentally in a VirtualHost? |
| 19:48.01 | sjansen | Basically, if there's no reason the setting shouldn't work, there must be a reason it's being ignored. |
| 19:48.54 | goozbach | having pre-prod be different than prod bit me hard last week |
| 19:48.57 | sjansen | ErrorDocument isn't exactly a nuanced setting. ScriptAliasMatch is only a little more complicated. So something else must be hiding them. |
| 19:49.20 | goozbach | so yesterday I spent the day making sure QC (our pre-prod) was as close to production as we could get it. |
| 19:49.50 | goozbach | and I also made sure that our production tests ran and passed properly on QC prior to doing a deploy today |
| 19:49.58 | goozbach | saved me 3-4 hours |
| 19:52.53 | harleypig | my test server is my own personal server that I'm doing on the sly. |
| 19:53.21 | goozbach | so you don't have signoff on a pre-prod environment? |
| 19:53.22 | goozbach | geez |
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| 19:53.31 | goozbach | sorry dood |
| 19:54.39 | harleypig | nope, :/ |
| 20:00.05 | harleypig | Ok. Here's an important lesson: Even if you trust the person you work with and they give you some information (like a site to test a program on) verify that it actually is on the same server you're testing on. |
| 20:00.48 | unum | ? |
| 20:01.08 | goozbach | testing against the wrong server? |
| 20:01.12 | goozbach | yeah that kinda sucks |
| 20:02.06 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:02.16 | goozbach | usually (given proper split DNS) I'll ssh to the sitename as opposed to the servername and thus make it easier to be sure you're on the right server |
| 20:02.40 | unum | we don't have any proper procedures to set up a test server |
| 20:02.40 | goozbach | ie ssh www.example.com instead of ssh web-01.backend.com |
| 20:03.21 | goozbach | if I'm working on www.example.com |
| 20:03.31 | unum | our new plan is to install new software version in a different directory on the same server |
| 20:03.50 | unum | and just change enviroment variable setting in the .login when it goes live |
| 20:03.59 | unum | which is a vast improvement over the old method |
| 20:04.00 | elg | tell the truth goozbach. you put www.example.com in /etc/hosts and use it no matter what site you're working on. |
| 20:05.01 | goozbach | unum: use a symlink instead of paths |
| 20:05.55 | goozbach | ie: /var/www/server_root-$VERSION |
| 20:06.07 | goozbach | and /var/www/live symlinks to proper version |
| 20:16.57 | sjansen | I think one of the biggest advantages of the virtualization revolution is that it makes it easier to create quality pre-prod clones of prod. |
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| 23:29.17 | bonez46 | does the mailing list archive the messages? |
| 23:29.20 | bonez46 | for plug? |
| 23:29.34 | bonez46 | can I go somewhere and read recent messages from the mailing list? |
| 23:31.19 | bonez46 | hello? |
| 23:52.47 | eightyeight | bonez46: yes |
| 23:53.19 | bonez46 | iare the mailing list messages archived for review? |
| 23:53.24 | eightyeight | yes |
| 23:55.39 | bonez46 | where? |
| 23:55.53 | eightyeight | http://plug.org |