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| 02:01.18 | RyanE | Does anyone have a spare SD Micro -> SD adapter? I bought a couple of Micro SD cards, and only have 1 adapter... |
| 02:06.27 | jsmith | has one, but isn't close to RyanE |
| 02:06.59 | RyanE | you don't want to catch a jet plane and swing by my house, then? :) |
| 02:08.10 | goozbach | I have one too |
| 02:08.15 | goozbach | but no where near you |
| 02:08.18 | goozbach | sad for you |
| 02:08.26 | RyanE | doubly sad for me, now... |
| 02:15.31 | jsmith | goozbach: Great eats last night! |
| 02:18.20 | goozbach | jsmith: yeah, I'm still digesting |
| 02:18.32 | goozbach | and I had a steak at my in-laws this evening |
| 02:18.43 | jsmith | had pork chops at a co-worker's house |
| 02:18.53 | goozbach | first death by meat didn't take, so I had to try again. |
| 02:19.47 | Sargun | I have one too |
| 02:20.39 | goozbach | second one is really working hard to put me Tango Uniform |
| 02:25.41 | jsmith | goozbach: I took it easy... |
| 02:28.44 | goozbach | I had a full NY strip steak, a baked potato, jello salad, green salad, and three glasses of kool-aid |
| 02:29.16 | RyanE | Sargun: you have an extra adapter? Where are you located? |
| 02:29.31 | goozbach | RyanE: it really sucks to be you today |
| 02:29.41 | RyanE | heh. I see... :) |
| 02:29.45 | goozbach | I'm literally LOL right now |
| 02:29.54 | RyanE | It's not like an emergency, but hey, it would be handy. |
| 02:29.58 | goozbach | Sargun is a cali forner |
| 02:30.06 | Sargun | 37.653415, -121.850958 |
| 02:30.11 | RyanE | well, that's how it goes, I suppose. |
| 02:30.21 | RyanE | all you non-#utahers in #utah... |
| 02:30.23 | Sargun | needs to shave his faux beard. |
| 02:30.35 | RyanE | I guess it's non-#utahns... |
| 02:30.39 | goozbach | I need to go do something |
| 02:30.46 | goozbach | other than sit at the computer |
| 02:31.02 | Sargun | \Who here, other than harleypig maintains a beard? |
| 02:31.49 | RyanE | I grown one once a year or so just to annoy the wife. |
| 02:32.15 | RyanE | but I'm currently in non-annoy mode (at least for the beard part). |
| 02:32.27 | Tene | I get one about once a month |
| 02:35.43 | goozbach | it |
| 02:35.53 | goozbach | would be nice to be able to grow a beard |
| 02:41.23 | jsmith | goozbach: I could grow one in a week! It's not a good thing |
| 02:43.40 | Tene | well... it's nicer than just looking scraggly after a week of not shaving |
| 02:44.43 | Tene | but if you shave relatively regularly, rapid hair growth is annoying, yes |
| 02:45.27 | Tene | my roommate at BYU only shaved three times in the two semesters were were there... I was unable to take a test once because I hadn't shaved since early that morning. |
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| 02:51.06 | goozbach | grr tornado alarms |
| 02:51.15 | goozbach | it's too wet and cold to go to the crawlspace |
| 02:51.22 | Sargun | tornado alarms? shouldn't you be worried about those? |
| 02:51.29 | goozbach | yeah |
| 02:51.32 | goozbach | probably |
| 02:51.33 | Sargun | crawlspace? don't you guys have basements? |
| 02:51.39 | goozbach | crawlspace |
| 02:52.04 | Sargun | aren't those dark, dingy, small, and damp |
| 02:52.27 | goozbach | check, check, check, and check |
| 02:52.35 | goozbach | but it's better than a house falling on you. |
| 02:53.01 | goozbach | people get jumpy after a tornado touches down |
| 02:53.03 | jsmith | goozbach: Taking the laptop w/ you? |
| 02:53.06 | goozbach | it's only been a year |
| 02:53.28 | goozbach | jsmith: I'm watching the doppler and weather underground |
| 02:53.40 | goozbach | when I see probelms, then I'll head underground |
| 02:53.51 | goozbach | I *WAS* just fixing to go to bed |
| 02:53.59 | goozbach | it is 11pm here |
| 02:54.19 | levi | Silly east-coasters. |
| 03:00.16 | Sargun | Us west coasters love living on the edge. |
| 03:00.28 | RyanE | of insanity. |
| 03:00.30 | Sargun | you never know when there is gunna be an earthquake |
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| 03:01.47 | Sargun | I don't mean to sound completely stupid here, but instead of using A/C as a head exchanger, can't we bury enough heat underground? |
| 03:02.12 | Sargun | having a heat exchanger 40-50 feet underground reduces the temperature enough |
| 03:04.59 | bonez46 | what of the cost initially though to excavate for such an heat exchanger? |
| 03:05.43 | Sargun | to bury things 50 feed underground? |
| 03:05.46 | Sargun | feet even |
| 03:05.47 | RyanE | Heat pumps that do that are pretty common in many locations. |
| 03:05.52 | Sargun | and it wouldn't need to be that big |
| 03:05.57 | Sargun | $60k? |
| 03:06.37 | RyanE | It's more common for locations that don't have hard bedrock fairly near underground, and more common for commercial jobs. |
| 03:06.53 | RyanE | but yeah, excavation is always expensive, because you never know what you're going to hit. |
| 03:07.06 | Sargun | yeah |
| 03:07.15 | Sargun | but have one for a small neighborhood |
| 03:07.25 | Sargun | of course burying heat has its own problems, but who cares |
| 03:07.44 | RyanE | yeah, if you were to consider the neighborhood as a commercial concern, it'd probably work. |
| 03:08.11 | RyanE | but the complexities (legal, zoning, etc.) probably put it out of the realm of possibility in most cases. |
| 03:08.19 | RyanE | funky idea, though. |
| 03:22.51 | bonez46 | have to live out in the sticks to do it |
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| 03:29.28 | Sargun | bonez46, well, other than government being difficult about it, I don't see any issues with trying it |
| 03:30.30 | RyanE | It's well-proven technology, I would think *all* your issues would be in the category of: who pays for it, who fixes it when it's broken, etc. |
| 03:30.40 | vontrapp | what possible problems could burrying heat cause? |
| 03:31.20 | vontrapp | dead worms? |
| 03:31.40 | vontrapp | -zap elg |
| 03:34.25 | goozbach | it's coming down very hard now |
| 03:34.29 | goozbach | lotsa rain |
| 03:34.37 | Sargun | goozbach, hide, don't die, or at least try not to |
| 03:34.46 | goozbach | Sargun: duly noted |
| 03:35.08 | vontrapp | tie some weights to your ankles |
| 03:35.22 | RyanE | tie someone's ankles to your ankles. |
| 03:35.28 | Sargun | vontrapp, heat doesn't always disperse like you expect it to, sometimes you get too close to water, or heat up something you don't intend to. |
| 03:35.42 | Sargun | try to get into the eye :-P |
| 03:35.52 | vontrapp | like worms... |
| 03:36.08 | vontrapp | if it heats water then that's all the better |
| 03:36.17 | vontrapp | nothing is better at dissipating heat than water (besides metal) |
| 03:36.27 | vontrapp | and waters high heat latency is a bonus |
| 03:38.21 | goozbach | just reduced the "severe weather alert" to a "weather alert" |
| 03:38.49 | vontrapp | and goozbach single handedly downgrades the storm |
| 03:39.03 | vontrapp | pat on the back |
| 03:39.55 | vontrapp | the goozback |
| 03:40.06 | vontrapp | *pat* *pat* |
| 03:40.44 | Sargun | warm water = better for bacteria, and causes heavy metals to concentrate |
| 03:40.53 | Sargun | IIRC |
| 03:41.04 | vontrapp | how warm is problematic? |
| 03:42.33 | vontrapp | what are some awesome android nameS? |
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| 04:24.21 | levi | You don't have to get very deep for effective geothermal heat exchange. |
| 04:24.52 | levi | Witness the more moderate temperatures in your typical basement as compared to upper storeys. |
| 04:25.16 | RyanE | I think you have to go deep just so you have more surface area to absorb / transmit heat. |
| 04:27.02 | levi | That probably depends on the shape of the area you have to work with. |
| 04:33.34 | levi | http://www.popularmechanics.com/how_to_central/home_clinic/1274631.html |
| 04:40.34 | RyanE | true. |
| 04:55.52 | goozbach | GRRR! just get to bed, and another warning fires off |
| 05:22.21 | Sargun | hehe |
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| 14:25.56 | tristanbob__ | holy cow - oracle to buy sun? |
| 14:26.17 | tristanbob__ | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30305266/ |
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| 15:05.17 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://utos.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Oracle to buy Sun | UTOSC 2009 Dates and Venue - http://tinyurl.com/utosc2009-venue |
| 15:05.26 | elg | ~sell oracle |
| 15:05.27 | ibot | ACTION sells oracle to a passing bunch of Ishmaelites |
| 15:05.49 | sjansen | In retrospect, Oracle wanting to buy Sun makes sense. |
| 15:06.03 | sjansen | But wow, that's going to be an interesting one to watch play out. |
| 15:06.12 | elg | has a phone screening with google today |
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| 15:07.07 | elg | hopes it doesn't degenerate into a puzzle quiz |
| 15:14.37 | RyanE | as long as they don't hear you typing the questions into #utah, you should be OK. :) |
| 15:14.48 | elg | heh |
| 15:15.12 | RyanE | Who're we kidding, they probably have a network sniffer hooked up to your computer during the screening. |
| 15:15.19 | RyanE | At least be a bad idea to google for answers... :) |
| 15:15.29 | elg | i'm really quite terrible at puzzles. I can usually get them but it takes me a long time. Actual realistic problems otoh |
| 15:15.42 | RyanE | good luck with it. |
| 15:15.58 | RyanE | that's very cool. |
| 15:16.52 | elg | should be fun anyway. though I do hope I get to the on-site interview at least. a job would be awesome, but I'll settle for "I interviewed at google" :) |
| 15:17.13 | elg | "My resume fooled them into calling me for a phone screen" doesn't quite have the same ring to it. |
| 15:17.13 | RyanE | Yeah, you could almost put that on your resume'. |
| 15:17.32 | RyanE | (the first one, not that second one). |
| 15:20.40 | vontrapp | what are the chances of being able to run a cifs server on a nonstandard port? |
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| 15:36.49 | vontrapp | how do you persuade gnome to show image thumbnails in a folder? |
| 15:36.56 | vontrapp | (nautilus) |
| 15:38.36 | vontrapp | nm, i found it |
| 15:47.59 | elg | ~onjoin sjansen someone here needs a new quit message |
| 15:47.59 | ibot | elg: ok |
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| 16:13.11 | jnbek | lol |
| 16:16.45 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.33 | sjansen | So I just left a comment on some yahoo's blog post about Linux processes. I displayed a modicum of creativity, but I don't trust the Internet to notice, so I have to tell someone. |
| 16:43.49 | elg | tell emcnabb |
| 16:43.50 | elg | he cares |
| 16:43.53 | sjansen | Some guy named Bob was handing out stupid advice. So I chose to reply as "Alice". |
| 16:44.07 | sjansen | Get it? Get it?! Alice! Bob! |
| 16:44.14 | sjansen | (Think cryptography.) |
| 16:44.15 | elg | you're so awesome |
| 16:44.30 | sjansen | You may now all be impressed. |
| 16:44.37 | elg | is pear still teh hip way to do databases in php? |
| 16:45.11 | elg | is trying to figure out whether i can do databases in this php course in good faith and without involving the slow-moving sysadmins |
| 16:45.36 | elg | i.e. sqlite but via something like dbi or whatever is the equivalent these days in php |
| 16:45.48 | sjansen | PHP is as hip as a head-on car crash causing irreparable brain damage. |
| 16:46.09 | elg | the chances of me actually teaching the course are actually pretty small though |
| 16:46.18 | fungus | Pear is not really "hip". "hip" is more PDO, or ADODB |
| 16:46.31 | fungus | Though Pear is still good. |
| 16:46.34 | elg | so mostly i'm writing a short course description for a course I won't end up teaching and which probably nobody else is qualified to teach anyway |
| 16:46.50 | elg | but which will have eager students waiting in the wings |
| 16:47.02 | elg | shudders at students eager to learn php |
| 16:47.32 | elg | fungus: which one, pdo or adodb? i've never heard of either. |
| 16:47.41 | elg | but i haven't been in the php loop for many a year |
| 16:48.00 | elg | whatever it is will have to be stock in php5 |
| 16:48.07 | elg | or i have to involve aforementioned sysadmins |
| 16:48.23 | fungus | PDO comes with most stock PHP installs/builds. |
| 16:48.44 | sjansen | Unless ADODB has changed _alot_, I was very underwhelmed by it back when I still had hope for PHP. |
| 16:49.15 | fungus | ADODB is a simple PHP library you can include. |
| 16:49.29 | fungus | http://us.php.net/pdo |
| 16:49.32 | sjansen | Pear is the CPAN of PHP, with all the problems that implies. If PDO isn't brain dead, sounds like a better choice. |
| 16:49.38 | fungus | http://adodb.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:49.39 | brac | [ADOdb Database Abstraction Library for PHP (and Python) for |
| 16:49.39 | brac | MySQL, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL Server, Oracle, Firebird, Interbase, |
| 16:49.40 | brac | LDAP, Access, VFP, DB2 and many other databases] |
| 16:50.17 | sjansen | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/intro.pdo.php |
| 16:50.28 | sjansen | "PDO ships with PHP 5.1, and is available as a PECL extension for PHP 5.0; PDO requires the new OO features in the core of PHP 5, and so will not run with earlier versions of PHP." |
| 16:51.00 | elg | looks like they have 5.2 on here |
| 16:51.14 | elg | though I have no hope that they haven't crippled it in very annoying ways |
| 16:51.26 | elg | which I can't see because they have disabled phpinfo and all other useful introspection |
| 16:51.41 | elg | they, or suse as their proxy |
| 16:52.20 | elg | hmm, pdo looks about right. "PDO provides a data-access abstraction layer, which means that, regardless of which database you're using, you use the same functions to issue queries and fetch data. PDO does not provide a database abstraction; it doesn't rewrite SQL or emulate missing features. You should use a full-blown abstraction layer if you need that facility. " |
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| 16:56.43 | elg | and it works, nice. |
| 16:56.50 | elg | hugs sqlite |
| 16:57.33 | fungus | ~sqlite++ |
| 16:57.51 | sjansen | pelaofeliz == Happy Fur Ball? (With a little artistic license.) |
| 16:58.27 | sjansen | ~sqlite++ |
| 16:58.35 | sjansen | ~postgresql++ |
| 16:58.51 | pelaofeliz | 'pelao' ~= 'pelado' == 'bald' |
| 17:03.30 | sjansen | Ah. Guess I was off by just a _tiny_ bit there. ;-) |
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| 17:15.18 | pelaofeliz | ...or sarcastic :) |
| 17:23.45 | unum | I like to use mdb2 for my abstraction layer |
| 17:24.10 | unum | mostly because it returs my results in a two dimensional array |
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| 17:46.48 | elg | hmm, why is the "diamond problem" a diamond? couldn't you get the same without the top of the diamond by just inheriting from two classes with a method of the same name? |
| 17:49.36 | macnewbold | elg: I think you're right. the problem is not much of a problem if there is both sides of the diamond are inheriting (and not overriding) the same parent method |
| 17:50.57 | elg | my deficiency in that interview was not remembering enough about how screwed up multiple inheritance is. |
| 17:51.07 | elg | that's what comes from using sane languages, folks. ;-) |
| 17:51.20 | elg | hugs duck typing |
| 17:51.36 | elg | well it went pretty well I think. I guess I'll find out when the recruiter gets back to me |
| 17:56.46 | goozbach | good luck, we're all counting on you |
| 17:57.28 | elg | that explains all the sheep |
| 18:03.45 | levi | They use C++ at google? |
| 18:05.49 | Sargun | Yes |
| 18:06.37 | sjansen | "At Google you can use C++, Java, Python, JavaScript." http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/05/dynamic-languages-strike-back.html |
| 18:07.21 | levi | Ahh. Well, I guess asking about diamond inheritance makes sense then. |
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| 18:32.04 | ^Migs^ | http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2096/sarkozy.jpg |
| 18:32.43 | elg | ^Migs^: maybe his calves are just really strong and he can't help himself |
| 18:33.00 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it's like "check out my awesome calves" |
| 18:34.32 | Sargun | hehe |
| 18:54.16 | fadein | ~ |
| 19:05.58 | elg | so what is the difference between B cnd C inherit from A and D inherits from B and C and A, B, and C all define a foo() method - and the same thing except no A. |
| 19:06.46 | unum | ? |
| 19:07.03 | Supaplex | gibberish ;p |
| 19:07.14 | elg | A <- B; A <- C; B, C <- D |
| 19:07.20 | elg | vs |
| 19:07.27 | elg | B,C <- D |
| 19:07.59 | elg | i.e. what is it about b and c inheriting from A that makes diamond inheritance a problem? |
| 19:08.25 | elg | (more of a problem than normal namespace clash) |
| 19:15.20 | sjansen | IIRC, let's say A implements foo() and B overrides foo() but C does not. Which foo() will run? |
| 19:16.03 | sjansen | If C is checked first, A's foo() will be used. If B is checked first, B's foo() will be used. |
| 19:16.20 | sjansen | Makes it harder to reason about behavior. |
| 19:17.08 | sjansen | In other words, IIUC, it's just a particularly knotty instance of the general ambiguity of multiple inheritance. |
| 19:19.42 | elg | how is that different from B and C (no matter their ancestry) both defining foo()? |
| 19:22.58 | Tene | elg: it's more-likely to come up. |
| 19:23.27 | elg | and/or more sneaky when it does. I guess that makes sense |
| 19:24.44 | Tene | elg: and particularly poorly-handled in C++, iirc |
| 19:24.51 | Supaplex | ~lart webdevs at ibm.com for js that nearly locks up the browser |
| 19:24.51 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops webdevs at ibm.com in half for js that nearly locks up the browser |
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| 20:48.30 | Supaplex | hummmmm |
| 20:53.27 | Sargun | hummmm? |
| 20:54.25 | Tene | hummmmm! |
| 20:55.20 | Supaplex | I'm going to try using cricket to record usage trends on ip addresses we need to anex. (we, as in for job#2) |
| 20:55.32 | Sargun | job #2? |
| 20:55.54 | Supaplex | isp in canada |
| 20:55.55 | sinuhe | Top 5 things your boss asks you to do with Linux. Go. |
| 20:56.13 | Supaplex | all of it. done. |
| 20:56.23 | sinuhe | lol |
| 20:57.08 | Supaplex | drbd, heartbeat, ispcp, freeside, and whatever. |
| 21:00.07 | Supaplex | how about you? |
| 21:00.27 | sinuhe | Me? |
| 21:00.52 | Supaplex | yeah |
| 21:01.01 | Sargun | Hm, that's hard |
| 21:01.47 | Supaplex | facebook, wikipedia, ebay, gmail, and twitter? hehehe |
| 21:02.22 | Sargun | sure |
| 21:02.24 | sinuhe | XML/XMLSchema, security instruction, sys/netadmin instruction, courseware development, python |
| 21:02.43 | sinuhe | Throw TeX in there, too |
| 21:02.55 | levi | I use linux to build stuff for QNX. |
| 21:03.17 | sinuhe | levi: Wouldn't you build QNX stuff on QNX? |
| 21:03.42 | levi | I could, but it's just as easy to cross-compile. |
| 21:04.06 | sinuhe | I haven't looked at QNX since Amiga was talking of using it. |
| 21:04.18 | levi | My company owns QNX, so... |
| 21:04.19 | unum | THE database front end |
| 21:05.12 | sinuhe | Ah |
| 21:05.25 | sinuhe | feels old |
| 21:05.42 | levi | Why does that make you feel old? |
| 21:06.06 | sinuhe | QNX Unix not QNX database front end. |
| 21:06.26 | levi | Yeah, I'm talking about the UNIXoid QNX. |
| 21:06.43 | sinuhe | OK. Never mind then. |
| 21:06.44 | levi | I don't think unum is talking about QNX at all. |
| 21:06.59 | sinuhe | needs a Scotch and its only Monday |
| 21:07.41 | levi | Apparently QNX was aquired by Harman International in 2004. |
| 21:08.12 | levi | It runs in a pretty fair number of high-end audio head units now. |
| 21:11.06 | levi | So, I've been looking into improving my electronics knowledge, since I have a huge gap between the simple DC circuits I played with as a kid and the digital logic circuits I'm somewhat familiar with now. |
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| 21:12.25 | levi | Analog circuits make my brain hurt. |
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| 22:00.27 | mrpull-lt | herlo: ping |
| 22:03.21 | elg | congratulations! you're being considered for this position at $company. Please fill out this very insulting web form that duplicates most of your resume that we've apparently either already read or didn't care about, and asks you to do all the legwork for us to call up your old employers and do a credit report on you, and agree that we can do a credit report on you anytime we like after we hire you too |
| 22:03.35 | elg | uh-oh. the sun is back |
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