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| 01:27.48 | herlo | UPHPU Meeting Live Streaming tonight - http://stream.utos.org:8080 |
| 01:27.50 | brac | [Icecast Streaming Media Server] |
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| 04:12.51 | levi | Cool, Pres. Monson will be speaking at the UVU graduation ceremony on May 1. |
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| 06:21.32 | Supaplex | ~lart yesterday |
| 06:21.32 | ibot | slaps yesterday upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 15:32.07 | ^Migs^ | this is freakin hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoKZbOSvVa0&feature=player_embedded |
| 15:32.11 | ^Migs^ | I love the commentary. |
| 15:35.28 | eggyknap | elg: ping |
| 15:35.35 | elg | pong |
| 15:36.10 | eggyknap | So, I have access to a couple of pipe organs all of a sudden. Do you need/want more recordings? IIRC you said you had all you could possibly handle... |
| 15:36.27 | elg | yeah i've got what i need |
| 15:36.41 | eggyknap | discovered a pipe organ in another building in his stake, and fell in love. |
| 15:36.50 | elg | yay |
| 15:37.08 | eggyknap | even better 'cuz I have keys, which helps :) |
| 15:37.16 | eggyknap | How's that whole project going, anyway, if you don't mind my asking? |
| 15:37.27 | elg | writing the dissertation now |
| 15:37.49 | eggyknap | w00t! COngrats. |
| 15:37.49 | elg | summary: works great for stops in isolation, but basically not at all for stops in combination |
| 15:38.05 | eggyknap | It's based on a neural net, right? |
| 15:38.11 | elg | ya |
| 15:38.21 | eggyknap | Fun. |
| 15:42.36 | ^Migs^ | http://notalwaysright.com/actually-were-saving-them-for-ww3/1818 |
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| 16:09.50 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/funny-pictures-tiger-does-not-appreciate-being-called-kitty.jpg |
| 16:09.50 | eightyeight | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/a359/zoom/ |
| 16:09.52 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: God Kills a LOLcat :: Zoom!] |
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| 16:33.30 | Jayce^ | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516918,00.html |
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| 16:33.46 | Jayce^ | TPB operators found guilty |
| 16:34.15 | Sargun | sad |
| 16:34.23 | goozbach | Jayce^: do you have any experience with Parse::RecDescent? |
| 16:34.34 | Jayce^ | it's been a few years, but did some |
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| 16:37.02 | goozbach | I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with the grammar here: http://gist.github.com/97118 |
| 16:48.22 | Jayce^ | well, first thing I see is on line 48 under 'Slide' you refer to Handouts (plural) when your subrule is singular |
| 16:53.15 | maquis | what does it mean to slideshow? |
| 16:53.22 | sjansen | Was there ever any doubt that TPB would be convicted? |
| 16:53.33 | maquis | ~TPB |
| 16:53.51 | sjansen | ~wtf TPB |
| 16:55.29 | Jayce^ | sjansen: actually yeah, because there was no 'commercial intent', it got around a lot of the laws there, but they basically convinced the judge that it was a 'commercial' site, and thus the ruling |
| 16:55.47 | maquis | finally gets it |
| 16:55.49 | maquis | the pirate bay? |
| 16:56.09 | maquis | (sadly, somehow Jayce^'s comment helped significantly in getting there... |
| 16:56.35 | elg | anyone live(d) in st george? |
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| 16:58.08 | sjansen | You really thought that a site name The _Pirate_ Bay at the top of Big Media's hit list would be able to withstand the full force of its lawyers? |
| 16:59.46 | sjansen | I've been near St. George. It's hot and try down there. |
| 17:00.56 | sjansen | http://developeronline.blogspot.com/2009/04/if-philosophers-were-programmers.html |
| 17:01.52 | elg | that much I know |
| 17:01.53 | levi | elg: Make Magazine's Maker Shed is having a clearance sale, so you could pick up an Arduino or Arduino clone for cheap now. |
| 17:02.01 | elg | its climate is actually pretty close to ours here |
| 17:02.03 | elg | a tad hotter |
| 17:02.16 | elg | but i'm curious what the wind is like through the year |
| 17:02.22 | levi | sjansen: I'm not sure the lawyers were the ones exerting full force. |
| 17:08.07 | goozbach | elg: st george is pretty well protected from wind |
| 17:08.21 | goozbach | it's ringed by three buttes? |
| 17:09.05 | goozbach | Jayce^: I was missing a line for Handouts |
| 17:09.18 | elg | goozbach: you sound unsure |
| 17:09.22 | goozbach | which is a series of Handout(s?) |
| 17:09.31 | goozbach | butte is the right word? |
| 17:09.40 | goozbach | they may be bluffs |
| 17:09.54 | goozbach | the term is the only question |
| 17:10.04 | goozbach | I like st george |
| 17:10.13 | goozbach | it's getting big however |
| 17:10.17 | JoshH | elg: wanting to move there or something? |
| 17:11.04 | JoshH | i've never cared much for st george... if you want to live in a small desert town, there are much better options. |
| 17:11.36 | levi | There's supposed to be good mountain biking in St. George. |
| 17:11.43 | goozbach | levi: it's ok |
| 17:12.01 | goozbach | I'm a bigger fan of cedar, and that area |
| 17:12.25 | elg | i have a job prospect in st george |
| 17:12.26 | goozbach | now Tallahassee Florida, that's some good Mountian biking |
| 17:12.47 | elg | i don't particularly have a desire to live in a small desert town, though i can think of worse fates |
| 17:12.54 | elg | but out of curiousity, what better options are there? |
| 17:13.04 | elg | st george is about the nicest small desert town I can thin kof |
| 17:13.12 | goozbach | you can get from one side of the city to the other without having to cross any of the major throughfares. |
| 17:13.33 | levi | goozbach: That's not mountain biking, though that is pretty cool. |
| 17:13.36 | goozbach | and for the majority of the time you feel like you're in the middle of a forest( cause you are) |
| 17:13.50 | goozbach | levi: there's some good "mountians" |
| 17:14.09 | goozbach | not a lot of downhill stuff bit it's pretty decent |
| 17:14.37 | goozbach | it's mostly medium technical trails |
| 17:15.06 | levi | I'm not likely to ever end up in FL, though. |
| 17:15.09 | goozbach | (roots, rocks, side grade, small bridges, platforms etc) |
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| 17:21.22 | sjansen | Florida has mountains? |
| 17:22.34 | levi | I understand the panhandle is not quite as flat as the peninsula. |
| 17:22.59 | levi | But I don't think anything on the east coast really compares with the rockies. |
| 17:23.25 | levi | You don't need terribly steep, rocky mountains for fun biking, though. |
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| 17:30.56 | goozbach | the best part of my house in tallahassee, 200m from the entrance to the bike trails |
| 17:43.05 | tensai | any domainkeys experts? |
| 17:43.51 | markl_ | you mean DKIM? |
| 17:44.06 | markl_ | yahoo's anti spam system? |
| 17:44.10 | markl_ | i am running it on a couple of domains |
| 17:44.19 | tensai | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britton_Hill |
| 17:44.26 | tensai | the highest point in florida is 345ft |
| 17:44.30 | tensai | markl_: yes, dkim |
| 17:45.04 | elg | the highest point in denmark is like 60 ft, iirc |
| 17:45.07 | elg | land point, obviously |
| 17:45.39 | markl_ | tensai: what do you need to know about it |
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| 17:46.32 | tensai | I've got an email user who thinks her mail is being modified in transit |
| 17:46.46 | tensai | it's dkim signed, so that seems like an easy way to tell |
| 17:47.33 | tensai | specifically she thinks the Reply-To header is being stripped from her mailing list |
| 17:47.44 | markl_ | weird |
| 17:48.05 | tensai | if the domainkeys-signature header includes the Reply-To header, does that mean that Reply-To must have existed when it was signed? |
| 17:48.09 | markl_ | i'm not sure how to manually check them, my script only adds the dkim headers. i don't check for them on incoming mail |
| 17:48.17 | markl_ | i'm also not sure if dkim includes headers |
| 17:48.21 | markl_ | or just the contents |
| 17:50.47 | tensai | it does cover the headers. that much I've been able to deduce. |
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| 17:52.04 | tensai | I'm not all that excited about reading this rfc |
| 17:56.16 | tensai | "The field MAY contain names of header fields that do not exist when signed; nonexistent header fields do not contribute to the signature computation" |
| 17:56.22 | tensai | well, now. that wasn't so hard. |
| 17:57.43 | tensai | and I discovered that this mta is using the deprecated domainkeys standard and not the new dkim |
| 18:00.26 | stuporglue | I'm having trouble figuring out how to clean up some text... I'm using PHP's preg_replace. The text is like "char space samechar space samechar space", eg "v v v v v v v " or "2 2 2 2 2 2". I want to replace each sequence with just one pair of the offending text. eg. "v v v v v v" --> "v " |
| 18:01.13 | stuporglue | I'm trying things like preg_replace('/(\w\ )+/',"$1",$output), but I must be missing something |
| 18:03.08 | stuporglue | or maybe it is...I must've been doing something different. I think it just worked now.... |
| 18:03.56 | sjansen | stuporglue: I see your problem.... you're using PHP. |
| 18:04.21 | stuporglue | yeah, well the rest of the project is in PHP, so I wanted to keep it consistant |
| 18:12.41 | tensai | no, no, no. variety is the spice of life. a little php here, some ruby there, top it off with a bit of algol. |
| 18:12.53 | elg | ~gcc |
| 18:12.54 | ibot | rumour has it, gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, http://gcc.gnu.org/ |
| 18:12.55 | brac | [GCC, the GNU Compiler Collection |
| 18:12.56 | brac | - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)] |
| 18:13.01 | elg | ~gcc is also green chile cheeseburger |
| 18:13.02 | ibot | gcc: input file corrupt |
| 18:13.15 | elg | are you calling me corrupt? |
| 18:13.35 | tensai | elg: you've got a bun mismatch in your cheeseburger |
| 18:15.23 | stuporglue | You know, algol might be what this project is missing. I'll definitely look into it. |
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| 19:00.35 | undertakingyou | So question for Vim Experts. I do vim -p something* and instead of opening up all 20+ files it only opens 10. Any reason why that I am missing? |
| 19:02.53 | neybar | does anyone know off hand if I can append to a text field in an UPDATE with postgres? update foo set notes=notes+'foo' where id = 1? I'm getting an error with that particular SQL |
| 19:04.38 | neybar | nm, I found it. update foo set notes=notes||'foo' where id = 1 |
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| 19:13.48 | Supaplex | neybar: ahh. my first thought would of been notes=concat(notes,'foo'). nice work :) |
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| 19:45.01 | toofer | Anyone here know a good spam generator? |
| 19:46.55 | maquis | ~spam toofer |
| 19:46.56 | ibot | ACTION subscribes toofer to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for toofer to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 19:48.19 | Migs | what kind of spam generator? |
| 19:49.33 | toofer | I just need something possibly in Perl to generate some typical spam messages. |
| 19:50.14 | maquis | for what purpose? |
| 19:50.19 | maquis | training spam filters? or what? |
| 19:50.36 | toofer | Exactly. |
| 19:50.48 | maquis | don't you know any non-technical people who could lend you some? |
| 19:51.11 | toofer | Using SpamAssassin. I could use the gtube, but would rather be able to demonstrate configuring some basic rules, etc. |
| 19:51.32 | toofer | Yeah, I could get some that way. |
| 19:58.12 | goozbach | toofer: just ask someone who runs dspam for a good corupus of spam messages |
| 19:58.24 | goozbach | amcnaab has one |
| 19:58.28 | goozbach | I'm sure of it |
| 20:08.06 | Supaplex | all my old spam lives in /dev/null |
| 20:15.44 | Sargun | all my Supaplex lives in /dev/zero |
| 20:21.17 | sjansen | All my ex-es live in Texas. |
| 20:21.25 | sjansen | That's why I hang my hat in Tennessee. |
| 20:27.56 | maquis | wants to go to sleep |
| 20:28.41 | sjansen | ~lull macnewbold |
| 20:28.49 | sjansen | Er, that is... |
| 20:28.53 | sjansen | ~lullaby maquis |
| 20:28.57 | tensai | ~lulz sjansen |
| 20:29.12 | sjansen | scurries off to can has |
| 20:29.32 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/funny-pictures-cat-tells-you-his-skills.jpg |
| 20:29.33 | eightyeight | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/a359/zoom/ |
| 20:29.34 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: God Kills a LOLcat :: Zoom!] |
| 20:30.17 | tensai | now that's not getting old... |
| 20:41.25 | elg | tensai: if you write a module for brac to post a lolcat link everytime a thinkgeek link shows up... |
| 20:44.02 | tensai | elg: I'd prefer to cat myself to /dev/null, thanks |
| 20:44.32 | maquis | ~cat tensai |
| 20:44.33 | ibot | ACTION shoves a feral cat down tensai's pants |
| 20:44.37 | maquis | oh dear... |
| 20:44.40 | maquis | sorry tensai |
| 20:44.43 | maquis | didn't know that existed |
| 20:45.36 | tensai | my 3 year-old thought there was a cat in the air ducts because of the whistling noise the vent made |
| 20:46.01 | tensai | apparently he and his brother tried to feed the cat by dropping cat food down the vent |
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| 20:47.35 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:47.38 | macnewbold | that's awesome |
| 20:52.15 | Sargun | haha |
| 20:53.29 | Supaplex | hehee :) |
| 20:56.37 | Tene | o.O |
| 20:57.55 | Sargun | How do you guys detect, and define behaviour in remote networks? |
| 20:58.05 | Sargun | For example, if you had a DC in Europe |
| 20:58.15 | Sargun | and you need a failover detection system |
| 20:58.36 | Sargun | how would you decide when the EU data center failed |
| 20:59.14 | elg | a mushroom cloud over berlin would be a good indicator |
| 20:59.31 | Supaplex | I agree with elg |
| 20:59.42 | elg | are you looking for a monitoring tool, or a set of procedures and policies? |
| 20:59.57 | Sargun | Both |
| 21:00.13 | Sargun | If there is a tool that says when service is unsatisfactory, that would be nice |
| 21:00.14 | elg | i like mon for the tool |
| 21:00.16 | elg | ~mon |
| 21:00.16 | ibot | Highly configurable service monitoring daemon. URL: http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/ |
| 21:00.28 | elg | you can tell mon to monitor whateer you want |
| 21:00.32 | Sargun | I mean, I was thinking a dead man's switch |
| 21:00.44 | elg | you're in charge of defining "Unsatisfactory", and honestly that's the hard part |
| 21:00.56 | Supaplex | power? routing? something else? |
| 21:01.13 | Supaplex | ohh, don't forget vending machine deliveries. |
| 21:01.15 | Sargun | well, if the dead man's switch is triggered, I'll take over, and nuke the other data center |
| 21:01.27 | Sargun | nuke meaning = tell it to stop advertising |
| 21:01.43 | Supaplex | was hoping for b00mie ;) |
| 21:04.36 | fungus | What are mon's advantages over Nagios? |
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| 21:06.46 | JoshH | it makes you sound like a jamaican when you talk about it |
| 21:06.58 | Supaplex | it's shorter to type |
| 21:08.31 | elg | fungus: nagios is an inflexible monster |
| 21:08.47 | elg | mon is an elegant flexible little jamaican sprinter |
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| 21:09.47 | fungus | hrm, I've always thought of nagios as being so flexible it hurts. |
| 21:10.03 | elg | don't confuse mountains of configuration with flexibility |
| 21:10.14 | elg | that's the other thing about nagios. it's so painful to configure |
| 21:10.26 | fungus | Agreed |
| 21:10.44 | elg | mon is more flexible and yet with 1/100th the configuration bloat |
| 21:10.50 | elg | I might be exaggerating slightly |
| 21:10.58 | fungus | hehe |
| 21:11.05 | fungus | notes to try out mon |
| 21:11.54 | JoshH | eh, nagios really isn't THAT bad |
| 21:12.36 | fungus | Nagios 3 finally got multiple inheritance, so the mountainous config got a lot better. |
| 21:12.42 | JoshH | and once you have it setup, it's easy to add new stuff to check |
| 21:13.08 | fungus | JoshH: yup, but getting there is the hard part. :) |
| 21:13.42 | Supaplex | it's easy to walk in the front door, once you get to your destination. |
| 21:13.56 | fungus | Until a situation comes up where someone wants special handling that doesn't match your templates/inheritance stuff. |
| 21:14.30 | elg | JoshH: yes, yes it is. though it may be a little better now |
| 21:14.45 | elg | just because it's possible to master it doesn't make it not that bad ;-) |
| 21:15.52 | JoshH | i don't think there will ever be a perfect monitoring system that can check anything you can dream of and have a nice simple config to boot |
| 21:16.01 | JoshH | but i would like it if there was |
| 21:16.25 | Supaplex | you could write a few books on the topic. :p |
| 21:16.26 | elg | i also think there's unlikely to ever be the perfect programming language |
| 21:16.44 | elg | but ruby is still many times better than cobol |
| 21:16.51 | elg | nevertheless |
| 21:17.55 | Supaplex | ya think? |
| 21:18.12 | Supaplex | so... what's great about cobol anyway? |
| 21:18.57 | elg | entrenchment |
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| 21:35.28 | lakshmi-treo | anyone here know how to fix the interwebs on a windows comp? |
| 21:35.59 | lakshmi-treo | I've restarted a million times |
| 21:36.20 | lakshmi-treo | and it doesn't work :/ |
| 21:39.30 | tensai | try rebooting |
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| 21:51.47 | kkruit | i love this channels query format: 1. question 2. smart ass answer 3. real answer (sometimes) |
| 21:52.52 | fungus | 4. debate about real answer vs smart ass answer 5. flame war |
| 21:54.15 | kkruit | has yet to see the escalation to 5 |
| 21:54.41 | kkruit | also can't wait |
| 21:55.36 | fungus | maybe that's just a mailing list thing. :) |
| 21:56.47 | JoshH | send a "vim is much better than emacs. discuss." post to plug |
| 21:57.33 | fungus | or worse. "Perl 6 is dead, Perl is becoming irrelevant" |
| 21:58.14 | JoshH | that would be better, not worse |
| 21:58.24 | kkruit | perl cant be dead yet, it's developers are still alive |
| 21:58.33 | Jayce^ | JoshH: fungus is just trolling for a kick :) |
| 21:59.01 | Jayce^ | you want a flame war, just send sjansen into *any* conversation... it will ensue |
| 21:59.41 | sjansen | I'm pretty sure the Perl is collapsing under the weight of CPAN. |
| 21:59.41 | kkruit | heh |
| 22:00.16 | sjansen | CPAN would be more awesome if it weren't so filled with total crap. |
| 22:00.33 | tensai | if lakshmi can't stick around for more than 30 seconds, she deservers a silly response |
| 22:00.51 | sjansen | Or if Perl developers did a better job of agreeing on a core set of modules, instead of requiring >100 different modules to install a moderately complex app. |
| 22:00.55 | Jayce^ | classic sjansen :) |
| 22:01.09 | JoshH | seriously though, python is crappier than perl because it's modules don't have nearly the quality, and there aren't as many. also, the syntax is worse and needing to care about whitespace sucks. |
| 22:01.24 | Jayce^ | s/// with any distro complaint, sourceforge/freshmeat type site |
| 22:02.55 | JoshH | and we really need a nice framework for writing php gui apps with qt |
| 22:02.55 | kkruit | so i have to ask whats your (all) language of choice and in brief why? |
| 22:04.53 | JoshH | php because it really teaches you good programming skills that will help you throughout your career |
| 22:05.14 | JoshH | alright, i'm not very good at this thing |
| 22:05.19 | JoshH | and i have to go home |
| 22:05.21 | Jayce^ | $%%# made me snort my drink with that.. |
| 22:06.20 | maquis | php teaches good programming skills????? |
| 22:18.57 | tensai | maquis: also, meth helps you learn good parenting skills |
| 22:21.37 | maquis | sweet... |
| 22:23.22 | kkruit | put meth on shopping list |
| 22:23.32 | kkruit | is that next the the cereal ? |
| 22:23.47 | kkruit | or the php for dummies book? |
| 22:29.10 | sjansen | kkruit: Python, because "it just works". C, because simple is beautiful. Every programmer should know C, especially *nix programmers. Bash, because it's so fast for quick and dirty work. |
| 22:32.56 | maquis | C rocks |
| 22:33.04 | maquis | zsh is pretty fun, too |
| 22:33.24 | maquis | ruby is cool to have for things that are more complex than you want to use zsh for |
| 22:33.36 | maquis | python bugs me, personally... |
| 22:43.44 | Sargun | you bug me, personally.... |
| 22:43.52 | Sargun | YAY I FINALLY GOT IT FIXED |
| 22:43.53 | Sargun | GRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 22:44.05 | sjansen | Python used to bug me. After getting burned by Perl and Ruby too many times, I finally accepted my doom. |
| 22:44.53 | sjansen | It took awhile to get used to Python being so opinionated, but now I think that's its best feature and key to success. |
| 22:52.05 | tensai | I still can't find good enough reasons to dislike perl. we get along rather well. |
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| 23:52.51 | _polto_ | hi all |
| 23:54.26 | _polto_ | I have not allot experience with mailman. I seen a message in the archive of PLUG mailing list and I'd like to reply to this e-mail. I subscribed to the mailing list, but how to reply to something I have not received ? ;) (I only seen it on the archive) |
