| 00:00.51 | elg | tensai: you outlier you |
| 00:04.47 | maquis | tensai's an outlier? |
| 00:04.53 | maquis | ~outlie tensai |
| 00:15.56 | levi | elg: Are you still planning on making that organ midi interface? |
| 00:16.09 | elg | yes |
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| 00:16.23 | levi | Have you browsed sparkfun.com? |
| 00:16.43 | elg | no |
| 00:16.56 | levi | You should. :) |
| 00:18.55 | levi | They've got a bunch of useful components for hobbyist electronics, tutorials, etc. One cool thing they do is make break-out boards for SMD components so you can hack together prototypes with them. |
| 00:20.16 | levi | They've even got this: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9108 |
| 00:20.34 | elg | nifty |
| 00:20.37 | elg | expensive, but nifty |
| 00:21.14 | elg | i won't be doing it until i have my organ which isn't gonna happen until i have a job, so what level of "on-the-cheap" i choose is still up in the air |
| 00:22.07 | levi | Well, it's 'expensive', but when you consider the cost of a custom PCB + all the components + assembly, it's not terrible. |
| 00:23.01 | elg | yes, but it only has 32 inputs |
| 00:23.51 | levi | I'm not suggesting that it will work for you as-is, but it's probably worth examining. |
| 00:24.22 | elg | totally |
| 00:25.05 | elg | esp. if it turns out to be programmable |
| 00:25.27 | elg | 32 inputs would possibly be enough in that case. and it's not severly more expensive than an arduino |
| 00:26.13 | levi | It looks like it's mostly a microcontroller of some sort (probably an Atega like the Arduino) that's connected to IO pins and a jumper block. |
| 00:36.27 | levi | They've also got this: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9056 |
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| 00:36.54 | levi | Or you could probably find some DIP versions of that chip for use on a breadboard. |
| 00:37.01 | levi | For cheapness sake. :) |
| 00:37.24 | elg | very nice |
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| 01:10.39 | Zelut | yo perl people. i need to read in a file, s/find/replace/ two lines and write it back out again. is File::Slurp good for something like this? |
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| 02:54.29 | fugue88_ | Zelut: sed might be good, or awk if sed isn't flexible enough. |
| 02:56.09 | fugue88 | And if awk isn't good enough, perl is probably the next good pick. |
| 02:56.15 | fugue88 | But I don't know perl. |
| 02:58.25 | Zelut | fugue88: yeah, I could do it with sed simply enough. I'd just like the learning exercise of the perl method. |
| 02:59.54 | fugue88 | Oh, cool. |
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| 03:18.06 | eggyknap | Zelut: depends on how big the file is. |
| 03:18.31 | Zelut | eggyknap: 1.5K. its just a small config file |
| 03:18.35 | eggyknap | Slurp-ing reads the whole file into memory at once. |
| 03:19.41 | eggyknap | You're probably best off just doing it line by line anyway -- or even shorter, something like "s/<something>/<something_else>/; print; " and run it with perl -n |
| 03:20.25 | eggyknap | By the way, are you a Real Boy yet? :) |
| 03:21.16 | Zelut | eggyknap: I've been a real boy for some time now.. and the place fell to shit |
| 03:22.11 | eggyknap | heh. I figured you'd been given your wings by now. |
| 03:22.41 | Zelut | still can't fly though. too many people too worried about hurting peoples feelings |
| 03:22.54 | eggyknap | As to what "the place" has become, well, yeah -- I joined the rats ditching that sinking ship :) |
| 03:23.43 | Zelut | eggyknap: its amazing that, considering the shit-storm that happened after you left, that anything|one is left standing. |
| 03:24.22 | eggyknap | is beginning to think he's missed some good stories. |
| 03:24.41 | Zelut | you have no idea |
| 03:25.37 | eggyknap | hasn't seen hide nor hair of Yorokobi for quite a while now. |
| 03:30.25 | Zelut | word is he's moving to AZ |
| 03:31.41 | eggyknap | Indeed? He's grown tired of the cold :) |
| 03:33.23 | Zelut | eggyknap: don't talk about rats and a sinking ship man.. we did not get USPS either. you're depressing me. |
| 03:33.53 | eggyknap | No USPS? I was hoping $new_job would get the pgsql consulting call. Bummer! :) |
| 03:34.37 | Zelut | no USPS.. after the DECC takes over I don't know what it is we're actually supposed to do. |
| 03:34.59 | eggyknap | Run OGFE? Draw pictures of racks? |
| 03:35.09 | Zelut | ogfe and access1.. wheee |
| 03:35.12 | eggyknap | :) |
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| 04:03.59 | levi | What place are you guys talking about? |
| 04:04.28 | Zelut | a magical place of legend |
| 04:04.59 | eggyknap | Where the princess lives, guarded by Koopas. |
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| 14:42.28 | ^Migs^ | How do I tar a directory but exclude certain subdirectories? |
| 14:45.10 | goozbach | --exclude? |
| 14:45.17 | goozbach | man tar |
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| 14:57.51 | jsmith | remembers when he got tar all over his mom's favorite dress.... |
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| 15:01.19 | elg | wishes he had an accountant to fire |
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| 15:13.15 | jshipley | ^Migs^: tar --exclude 'dir1/*' --exclude 'dir2/* |
| 15:13.42 | jshipley | ' -cf files.tar dir_you_want_to_tar |
| 15:14.07 | jshipley | without the linebreak :) |
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| 16:22.13 | mecworks | Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting tonight 7:10pm, U of U - Consumer NAS device: http://is.gd/sA8f |
| 16:36.31 | maquis | elg: why do you want to fire an accountant? |
| 16:36.56 | jsmith-away | maquis: Because it's tax day? |
| 16:36.58 | elg | because some clown (me) left old gnucash files lying around and now I can't tell which one is the one I was using last |
| 16:37.06 | maquis | lol |
| 16:37.23 | elg | didn't help that the file with the most recent data got corrupted somehow (probably my fault the last time I was mucking around) |
| 16:37.37 | elg | so I had to reenter everything for 2008. luckily there's not much activity (my business acct) |
| 16:37.52 | maquis | ick |
| 16:38.11 | maquis | likes not having to deal with anything overly difficult, and being able to do it all in turbotax |
| 16:38.38 | unum | just finished "a long way gone" |
| 16:41.36 | elg | well this isn't difficult. it's no harder than balancing a checkbook |
| 16:41.54 | Sargun | What isn't? |
| 16:41.55 | elg | just since my business was dormant I was too lazy to enter the little stuff in |
| 16:42.26 | maquis | unum: was it good? the guy who wrote it came and spoke here one day a year or so ago, but i wasn't able to attend |
| 16:42.28 | elg | and somewhere along the line i moved the files from my laptop to my desktop and then back and didn't delete old versions and half-migrated to a new set of books |
| 16:43.00 | unum | maquis: ya, some parts of it are pretty intense |
| 16:43.11 | unum | it's just crazy what he went trough |
| 16:43.34 | unum | I think the fact that he was picked up as a spokesman helps him find meaning in what he went through |
| 16:43.42 | maquis | yeah |
| 16:43.56 | maquis | i've been meaning to read that book, but just haven't gotten around to it |
| 16:44.08 | unum | it only took me a few days |
| 16:44.16 | maquis | yeah |
| 16:44.42 | maquis | i just unfortunately have too much to do and not enough time |
| 16:45.33 | unum | that's what you get for getting married :) |
| 16:45.46 | elg | and a job |
| 16:45.55 | unum | I have a full time job |
| 16:46.01 | unum | I have plenty of time to do what I want |
| 16:48.07 | maquis | yeah... for a while, i was doing pretty good on reading, but right now, reading on busses makes me really ill |
| 16:48.57 | unum | I go through phases sometimes I'll read a lot |
| 16:49.07 | unum | other times I just read "Pearl Before Swine" |
| 16:49.13 | unum | and dilbert |
| 16:49.27 | unum | the last month or so I've done well. I finally finished dreadnaught |
| 16:49.40 | maquis | i have to read my daily "not always right" dosage... |
| 16:49.44 | unum | which took me the better part of a year |
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| 16:51.29 | ^Migs^ | thanks for that earlier, jshipley |
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| 18:51.38 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJVAFIMnkc |
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| 18:55.25 | jsmith | sjansen: Wow... wasted talent! |
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| 20:18.37 | ^Migs^ | only 9 more days until my new daughter is born :) |
| 20:19.32 | eggyknap | used to count like that... and then his daughter was 2 weeks late :) |
| 20:21.01 | ^Migs^ | well, we're inducing, so it's guaranteed to be 9 days or fewer |
| 20:21.24 | eggyknap | We did an at-home birth, so we didn't get to time it that precisely. |
| 20:21.50 | ^Migs^ | why on earth would you do an at-home birth? |
| 20:21.50 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Your first? |
| 20:21.53 | ^Migs^ | no, third |
| 20:22.04 | eggyknap | Because it was *so* much nicer than a hospital birth. |
| 20:22.05 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Congrats anyway :-) |
| 20:22.11 | ^Migs^ | anyway? |
| 20:22.15 | ^Migs^ | lol, thanks, I think? |
| 20:22.25 | elg | eggyknap: word |
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| 20:22.32 | elg | we did both ours (and planning on #3) at home |
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| 20:22.58 | elg | I was skeptical at first but she really wanted it and convinced me it would be safe, and it turns out to be really nice |
| 20:23.04 | eggyknap | We did the first two @hospital, but third at home. The difference was remarkable. My wife healed much more quickly from the at-home birth. |
| 20:23.16 | eggyknap | I was skeptical, too -- I'm now more convinced than my wife that it was the way to go. |
| 20:23.21 | jsmith | elg: My wife would have died with both deliveries had we not been in the hospital... |
| 20:23.28 | ^Migs^ | How, praytell, is a home birth nicer than a hospital birth? At a hospital you get to have skilled nurses and doctors waiting on you, they dope you up with anesthesia, and the baby just pops right out. It's more like giving birth to a bag of feathers on fluffy clouds. |
| 20:24.14 | eggyknap | At the hospital, you're in an unfamiliar and stressful environment, with all kinds of beeping and monitors and people running around. |
| 20:24.18 | elg | well my house isn't a 3 hour hike through the snow to the hospital |
| 20:24.31 | eggyknap | Also, the drugs mean you can't control the pushing, which means baby comes out faster and tears things up more on its way out. |
| 20:24.37 | ^Migs^ | At home it's just non-stop pain, screaming, rainclouds swell and thunder booms, then it's a big sloppy mess. |
| 20:24.41 | elg | midwives are trained to know when things are going south and then you go to the hospital |
| 20:24.54 | goozbach | midwife++ |
| 20:25.02 | unum | malpractice law dictates thet doctors must conisder the cost vs the consequences when they do things |
| 20:25.05 | ^Migs^ | goozbach++ |
| 20:25.09 | goozbach | my wife wants to do a water birth |
| 20:25.14 | elg | ^Migs^: my wife would laugh you out of the room |
| 20:25.24 | unum | so doctors often have to do thing that are probably not needed |
| 20:25.30 | ^Migs^ | I think I know more about childbirth than any woman does. |
| 20:25.38 | elg | my wife didn't do any anaesthetic for either |
| 20:25.49 | elg | and had a very low-key pain-free pleasant experience both times |
| 20:26.35 | eggyknap | ^Migs^: you certainly appear to think you do :) |
| 20:26.50 | ^Migs^ | You're basically spitting in the face of modern medicine if you DON'T have your baby the proper way, at a hospital. |
| 20:27.00 | unum | every woman and birth is different |
| 20:27.12 | eggyknap | What's wrong with spitting in the face of modern medicine? |
| 20:27.14 | ^Migs^ | doped up the gills with anesthesia |
| 20:27.51 | ^Migs^ | There's not. Just start consulting shamans and witch doctors instead of real doctors |
| 20:28.15 | ^Migs^ | I don't think birth is really that painful anyway |
| 20:28.21 | ^Migs^ | I think women exaggerate it |
| 20:28.24 | elg | it doesn't have to be |
| 20:28.29 | elg | for most |
| 20:28.35 | ^Migs^ | it's more like having really, really bad gas |
| 20:28.38 | elg | but most people are scared silly |
| 20:28.42 | ^Migs^ | there are far worse pains |
| 20:28.43 | elg | and that's where most of the pain comes from |
| 20:28.45 | ^Migs^ | elg is right |
| 20:28.45 | elg | so I hear |
| 20:29.02 | elg | my wife did "hypnobirthing" which is better called "meditationbirthing' |
| 20:29.16 | eggyknap | water birth ++ |
| 20:29.25 | elg | and that's the primary tenet - if you let go of the fear and just relax, it doesn't hurt |
| 20:29.27 | elg | worked for her |
| 20:29.54 | ^Migs^ | babies are awesome |
| 20:30.03 | elg | our midwife for #2 was completely amazed by how easy it was for her, and erin's nurse friend who was there too was even more amazed |
| 20:30.10 | unum | I think sometimes it's REALLY painful, other time the baby just slips right out while she's walking into the hospital |
| 20:30.32 | ^Migs^ | http://qdb.us/295957 |
| 20:30.33 | brac | [QDB: Quote #295957] |
| 20:30.35 | elg | i'm sure there's some variation between women, and even for the same |
| 20:30.54 | elg | between births |
| 20:31.19 | elg | did I mention home birth is less expensive? :) |
| 20:31.24 | elg | not that that's a reason, but it's true |
| 20:31.29 | Supaplex | ya think? |
| 20:31.34 | sjansen | *sigh* It's so sad watching Linux gradually suck more each year. |
| 20:31.36 | elg | heads to the library for state tax forms |
| 20:31.58 | elg | sjansen: linux doesn't suck more. there's just more of it that does suck |
| 20:32.02 | elg | if that makes sense |
| 20:32.22 | Supaplex | math error on line *@$( |
| 20:32.28 | jshipley | sjansen: what do you mean? |
| 20:32.42 | sjansen | Each year, inexperienced one-boxers who grew up with Windows assume responsibility for a larger number of critical Linux technologies. |
| 20:32.46 | elg | Supaplex: well even when you factor in midwife, medical supplies, etc. |
| 20:34.23 | jshipley | At least some things are still improving. |
| 20:35.15 | maquis | finds the just-completed discussion very interesting... |
| 20:35.29 | ^Migs^ | who says it's completed? |
| 20:35.38 | ^Migs^ | it doesn't have to be |
| 20:35.46 | maquis | my dad's an OB/GYN... |
| 20:35.58 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why anyone would want to become an OB/GYn |
| 20:36.08 | ^Migs^ | that has to be a gross job |
| 20:36.23 | maquis | he wanted to be a doctor, but instead of telling people "you're really sick" he wanted to bring them good news... |
| 20:36.31 | eggyknap | I asked our OB/GYN once why he's chosen that specialty. He said it was because his patients, generally, were healthy, instead of dying. |
| 20:36.33 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 20:36.37 | ^Migs^ | well, that's a decent enough reason |
| 20:36.43 | ^Migs^ | Though it's not ONLY good news he'd have to give |
| 20:36.56 | maquis | no, but for the most part, he's giving good news |
| 20:37.10 | ^Migs^ | When I went to see the proctologist, I could tell he loved his job |
| 20:37.15 | ^Migs^ | I thought that was cool |
| 20:37.22 | ^Migs^ | I learned some new butt jokes, too |
| 20:37.25 | Supaplex | mam, I've got good news. you are saving a lot of money on your car insurance. |
| 20:38.27 | maquis | *shrug* |
| 20:38.37 | maquis | my dad really enjoys his job, and it sounds pretty interesting |
| 20:39.13 | ^Migs^ | I don't know...there was an ob/gyn on Oprah once who said there are some REALLY nasty women who never clean down there |
| 20:39.41 | Supaplex | wonders off to keep his lunch |
| 20:39.43 | maquis | i'm sure there are... there are probably some really nasty people who never clean just about anywhere... |
| 20:40.23 | ^Migs^ | people are gross |
| 20:40.40 | ^Migs^ | why is the human body so revoltingly disgusting? |
| 20:41.32 | jshipley | ^Migs^: It generally isn't, when it's taken care of |
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| 20:46.11 | Jayce^ | http://www.popsci.com/bacon |
| 20:46.57 | sjansen | We're starting to build a new collection of related servers named after War Games. |
| 20:47.59 | sjansen | I have decided I will not consider the design complete until I find a reason to put critical services on a IPv6 only box named pterodactyl.gurulabs.com |
| 20:51.19 | tensai | mmm, no-knead bread |
| 21:04.17 | sjansen | Wait a minute, where does Spacewalk fit in in a world with Puppet and Cobbler? |
| 21:06.56 | jsmith | As a framework around them, mostly... |
| 21:07.20 | jsmith | sjansen: But if you're smart enough to use Puppet and Cobbler on your own, you probably don't need spacewalk. |
| 21:07.33 | jsmith | sjansen: (unless you want your own RHN) |
| 21:15.28 | goozbach | spacewalk is working on merging the cobbler side of things for it's installation automation |
| 21:15.31 | goozbach | last I heard |
| 21:16.05 | jsmith | Yeah... and I heard they were gonna make it so that the underlying database was PostgreSQL too ... but still haven't seen any results |
| 21:16.19 | jsmith | At this point, it appears to be more smoke than fire |
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| 21:38.24 | sjansen | ~bless NetworkManager for doing the right thing when I'm on wireless and plug in ethernet |
| 21:38.25 | ibot | NetworkManager for doing the right thing when I'm on wireless and plug in ethernet: Live long and prosper! \//, |
| 21:53.18 | jshipley | I've loved NetworkManager from the day I started using it :) For wireless, at least. |
| 21:54.41 | sjansen | I've loved NetworkManager from the day it started working. Not quite the day I started using it. ;-) |
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| 22:41.38 | Supaplex | mmmmm chocolate just helps the day move by a little better. *bliss* |
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