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| 00:17.47 | bonez46 | what's that add-in for firefox that will make it appears to be IE ? |
| 00:18.14 | elg | -google user agent firefox extension |
| 00:18.36 | brac | Results for user agent firefox extension: 1. User Agent Switcher: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ | 4. Lifehacker - Mask your browser identification with User Agent ...: http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-firefox-extension/mask-your-browser-identification-with-user-agent-switcher-277458.php | 5. mozdev.org - useragentswitcher: index: http://useragentswitcher.mozdev.org/ |
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| 15:14.58 | ^Migs^ | one of our high schools is broadcasting their SBO elections right now: http://blog.weber.k12.ut.us/rcjames/livefeed/ |
| 15:20.14 | eggyknap | Sounds ... absolutely captivating... |
| 15:20.18 | smcquay | it's bout time |
| 15:20.52 | ^Migs^ | it's hilariously awesome |
| 15:21.02 | ^Migs^ | I don't think that Asian kid is going to make it :( |
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| 15:52.24 | Jayce^ | RyanE: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10218730-16.html |
| 15:54.05 | goozbach | I like it |
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| 15:58.12 | RyanE | Yeah, I think OpenRemote could be a contender once they get a bit more meat on the bones. |
| 15:59.44 | RyanE | on the other hand, right now, it's just a software-based remote, same functionality as I used to have on my Palm Pilot, just the button press goes over WiFi, then to the controller, then out IR. |
| 15:59.55 | RyanE | and you don't have to point it at the TV... :) |
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| 16:59.08 | elg | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7998552.stm |
| 16:59.12 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | Man lands plane after pilot dies] |
| 16:59.26 | elg | i don't want to trivialize the incident, which was indeed dangerous |
| 17:00.00 | elg | but it's a far cry from a non-pilot landing a plane after the pilot dies |
| 17:00.42 | elg | it's the difference between an adult taking the controls of a semi or a race car, or a child who's never driven anything doing so |
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| 17:05.16 | goozbach | elg: I thought the same thing |
| 17:05.27 | goozbach | he's flown and landed other planes, he knows the basics |
| 17:06.06 | goozbach | yes, it may be bigger/bulkier/slower but he still knows pull back = up; push forward =down :) |
| 17:06.12 | elg | yup. there are some things about that plane that he may not be familiar with if he's only done small single engine non-complex aircraft, but they're things that atc could talk him through to get the plane in the right configuration and then he just flies it |
| 17:06.36 | elg | there's a real danger that he might mess up the plane on landing |
| 17:07.04 | elg | but there's little danger (since he was in communication with atc) that he'd have a serious accident. if he remained calm of course |
| 17:07.30 | goozbach | I'd equate it to putting a guy who's driven an automatic ford F150 all his life, into the cab of a big-rig with a hi-lo manual transmission. |
| 17:07.44 | goozbach | he knows what to do, he might not have the finess to do it smoothly |
| 17:07.48 | elg | going 70mph on the freeway |
| 17:07.50 | elg | yeah |
| 17:08.37 | dataw0lf | well the danger _is_ landing, not midair flight. |
| 17:08.45 | elg | yes |
| 17:08.47 | JoshH | i see your point, but it's still a pretty impressive feat |
| 17:08.49 | jsmith | Well, like the article said... that plane lands faster than most single-engine planes even fly... |
| 17:08.53 | JoshH | all things considered |
| 17:09.08 | elg | it is. i certainly don't want to trivialize it. the guy must have been scared silly |
| 17:09.35 | goozbach | it is impressive, but not "FANTASTIC" as the media makes it out to be |
| 17:09.38 | elg | but, it bugs me to see the headlines "man lands plane after pilot dies" as if he was just some joe schmoe |
| 17:09.42 | jsmith | (as if the shock of having the pilot die wasn't enough to be scared about) |
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| 17:41.40 | smcquay | and not nearly as powerful as him killing the pilots assassin before landing the plane |
| 17:42.11 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://utos.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | UTOSC 2009 Dates and Venue - http://tinyurl.com/utosc2009-venue | foo bar baz qux quux corge grault garply waldo fred plugh xyzzy thud rfc3092 |
| 17:43.50 | ^Migs^ | http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Twittering-Office-Chair/ |
| 17:43.52 | brac | [The Twittering Office Chair] |
| 17:44.00 | ^Migs^ | Man Builds Chair That Tweets His Farts, Single-Handedly Justifies Twitter's Existence http://is.gd/sktR |
| 17:50.30 | tensai | I crash every time I try to land in flightgear |
| 17:54.18 | Supaplex | If at first you don't succeed, sky diving is not for you |
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| 19:03.23 | harleypig | MONKEY! |
| 19:04.18 | elg | ooh ooh |
| 19:38.15 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 19:39.04 | jsmith | maquis: Feeling any better? |
| 19:39.45 | maquis | better than yesterday today... |
| 19:40.10 | maquis | not sure i'm wanting to know too much about hp and monkeys... :) |
| 19:40.30 | maquis | definitely did not want to know about the twittering office chair |
| 19:41.33 | elg | tooter |
| 19:46.23 | jshipley | maquis: you're not going to subscribe to his toots? |
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| 19:52.03 | maquis | jshipley: no |
| 19:52.11 | maquis | that falls under "TMI" for me |
| 20:06.33 | Supaplex | ~toot |
| 20:06.34 | ibot | i guess toot is what only c00l people say such as Mr_Molez |
| 20:17.46 | elg | ~toot is also twitter.com/officechair |
| 20:17.47 | ibot | okay, elg |
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| 20:49.08 | elg | sends out resume spam |
| 20:50.48 | ^Migs^ | http://joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/singles-map.jpg |
| 20:52.19 | elg | ^Migs^: so they weren't kidding when they said go west young man |
| 20:52.29 | elg | but someone forgot to tell the girls |
| 20:52.33 | elg | to go west |
| 20:56.37 | maquis | wow... |
| 20:56.39 | maquis | that's really odd |
| 20:57.02 | maquis | wonder how that happened... |
| 20:58.29 | Sargun | what, young women going eastward? |
| 20:59.09 | utahcon | notes he needs to go to NYC |
| 20:59.43 | Sargun | Yeah, there was an analysis of this a while back |
| 21:00.24 | Sargun | IIRC the largest amount of single men has moved here |
| 21:01.51 | maquis | Sargun: you mean to IRC? |
| 21:01.57 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 21:02.00 | maquis | that might explain why those single men are still single... |
| 21:02.01 | Sargun | No, the the bay area |
| 21:03.10 | maquis | i wonder what percentage of the singles in those different dots are happy being single, vs those that want to stop being single |
| 21:03.43 | maquis | i think thta should be an important factor to consider as well |
| 21:04.35 | maquis | i mean... the single population in provo generally has a different opinion of singleness than the single population in Seattle |
| 21:04.39 | Sargun | I don't think that'd throw off the chart for guys |
| 21:05.07 | maquis | i dunno... i know quite a few guys who are single, and don't particularly want to get married |
| 21:06.02 | elg | presumably (statistically speaking) those that aren't happy being single would fall mostly in the plurality segment |
| 21:06.23 | maquis | it'd also be interesting to see how this differs in terms of age ranges |
| 21:06.30 | maquis | and whether they are counting certain groups |
| 21:06.42 | elg | 4-8, 9-11, 12-17 |
| 21:07.05 | maquis | ie, if someone is married and then divorced, or married and their spouse passes away, do they count? |
| 21:07.22 | fungus | Also important to know what the researcher's definition of single is. |
| 21:07.30 | maquis | fungus: yeah... |
| 21:07.35 | elg | if they have two irc nicks do they count twice? |
| 21:07.44 | Sargun | I saw a much better map somewhere |
| 21:08.13 | maquis | are they single if they're living with someone but not married? what if they're dating someone steadily? if someone is homosexual, do they count even if they have a partner? |
| 21:08.43 | Sargun | http://www.xoxosoma.com/singles/ |
| 21:08.44 | brac | [The New, Interactive Singles Map. Or, Looking for Love in All the Statistically Wrong Places.] |
| 21:09.13 | maquis | very interesting web address there... |
| 21:09.17 | Supaplex | you can keep NY. I'll move to Miami! :D |
| 21:09.26 | Sargun | that's a better one |
| 21:09.40 | Sargun | new orleans too |
| 21:11.52 | Sargun | Sure, there are some issues with the map. The first: homosexuality! This data and this map are completely heteronormative, but please direct invective at our pal the Census Bureau. Also, I don't think I can really trust the internet on this one, but men are about twice as likely to identify as gay than women - what's this mean for the map? It'll skew hard towards there being a ton of unmarried men! Those lonely young single guys might actually be in p |
| 21:11.52 | Sargun | erfectly marriageable relationships, but prevented from tying a federal-government-approved knot. |
| 21:11.52 | Sargun | Next: Population density! We're only using the US Census Bureau's Metropolitan Statistical Areas (and some Micropolitan ones, too), so we're missing out on the more rural aspect of America. What's this mean? I sure don't know the answer. |
| 21:11.54 | Sargun | Oh, and I've heard people also date, they don't just get married. Totally not reflected mapwise. |
| 21:12.05 | Sargun | that answers maquis' question |
| 21:13.34 | fungus | The map would be better if it showed the difference by percentage, than by total. |
| 21:15.04 | elg | haha, set the sliders to 18-29 |
| 21:15.20 | elg | watch the girl surplus in utah valley spike |
| 21:15.48 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:15.53 | levi | Poor Utah Valley girls. |
| 21:16.23 | elg | actually more utah valley girls are probably getting married then than most places |
| 21:16.26 | elg | but all the boys ship out |
| 21:18.30 | Sargun | Aren't missions done during that period? |
| 21:18.36 | dataw0lf | dies from allergies |
| 21:18.47 | elg | 19-21, for most |
| 21:19.01 | elg | (some later) |
| 21:19.35 | JoshH | the church should ban dear john letters, or breakups during missions |
| 21:19.46 | JoshH | i can imagine nothing worse for a missionary than that |
| 21:20.09 | elg | depends |
| 21:20.30 | elg | i got a dear john and it wasn't particularly painful |
| 21:20.41 | Supaplex | next year you'd be complaining the church is too involved. |
| 21:20.44 | elg | certainly not the "worst thing" |
| 21:20.45 | Sargun | dear john letters? |
| 21:20.49 | JoshH | i wouldn't |
| 21:21.10 | unum | they shouldn't allow relationships during missions |
| 21:21.16 | JoshH | i just have friends that are still bitter that they invested so much into a gf that couldn't handle waiting 2 years |
| 21:21.28 | unum | JoshH: how old are they? |
| 21:21.32 | elg | it'd never happen of course. what might happen is outlawing girls waiting for missionaries |
| 21:21.37 | JoshH | various |
| 21:21.43 | unum | knew better than to invest in a girl in high school |
| 21:21.43 | JoshH | don't you know people like that too? |
| 21:21.45 | elg | like that would stop anyone |
| 21:21.47 | JoshH | i thought it was pretty common |
| 21:21.56 | unum | I don't know anyone like that |
| 21:22.26 | elg | i know people who happily married HS sweethearts but not many |
| 21:22.37 | elg | i'd say that's a bad plan overall. mission or no |
| 21:22.42 | JoshH | maybe i just know a lot of people or something, but i've always thought that the dear john letters were a common utah phenomenon |
| 21:22.43 | Sargun | thinks you could find much more attractive women in the exotic place you go for a mission |
| 21:22.46 | unum | elg: agreed |
| 21:23.05 | unum | JoshH: the letters are common years of bitterness are not |
| 21:23.16 | Heartsbane | I have to stop hilighting hearts |
| 21:23.31 | JoshH | i guess it depends how easily you can snag another girl from the singles ward |
| 21:23.31 | elg | ~heart bane |
| 21:23.32 | ibot | I ⤠bane |
| 21:23.42 | JoshH | or byu, or wherever |
| 21:23.47 | unum | I'm in a ward where all of the guys are 27+ |
| 21:23.52 | unum | and I've never heard one complain |
| 21:23.58 | Heartsbane | LOL |
| 21:24.04 | JoshH | what about the girls there? |
| 21:24.16 | elg | ~popcorn |
| 21:24.17 | ibot | Mmmm, I like E-drama! |
| 21:24.18 | JoshH | they might complain if there was a bad ratio |
| 21:24.21 | unum | you mean how old are they? |
| 21:24.30 | JoshH | age, quantity, and quality |
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| 21:25.07 | unum | most are over 25 some are younger. it's a small ward about 15 men and 50 women. |
| 21:25.14 | unum | and everyone's weird |
| 21:25.16 | unum | :) |
| 21:25.32 | levi | They only have USDA certified grade-A girls there, guaranteed no older than 25. :P |
| 21:25.35 | JoshH | mind you, my knowledge of the atmosphere at singles wards is limited to what i hear about and see on tv |
| 21:25.37 | unum | it all scares me too look around in a group and think "I'm the normal one" |
| 21:25.41 | elg | lol |
| 21:25.45 | elg | of course they're not complaining |
| 21:25.50 | unum | actually the ward has been normalizing a lot lately. |
| 21:25.52 | JoshH | and you still don't have a wife? |
| 21:26.03 | elg | avoided singles wards like the plague |
| 21:26.09 | Sargun | o.O |
| 21:26.10 | JoshH | you must be either extremely picky, extremely ugly, or gay :P |
| 21:26.10 | elg | dragged his to-be-wife away from hers |
| 21:26.15 | Sargun | will never get you mormons :-P |
| 21:26.41 | levi | I enjoyed my singles wards, for the most part. |
| 21:26.42 | unum | JoshH: ugly |
| 21:26.54 | unum | once I got in the right ward I enjoyed it |
| 21:27.25 | JoshH | naturally ugly, or bad but fixable grooming habits/style/etc? |
| 21:27.44 | unum | actually I think I've fixed most of the fixable stuff |
| 21:27.55 | unum | my pickiness now probably holds me back more than anything |
| 21:28.34 | unum | I blew one recently |
| 21:28.53 | elg | do tell. |
| 21:28.55 | elg | ~popcorn |
| 21:28.56 | ibot | Mmmm, I like E-drama! |
| 21:28.56 | JoshH | heh |
| 21:29.32 | dataw0lf | Ahhh, spring. The birds, the bees, and #utah talking about single wards. |
| 21:29.40 | dataw0lf | (plus terrible allergies for me, bleh) |
| 21:29.54 | elg | pollen.com has been telling me my nose should be falling off |
| 21:30.03 | elg | but i have just a slight itch |
| 21:30.14 | unum | we started dating almost two years ago now. At first I just didn't think we had much in common, and so we broke it off. A year later we started dating again and we both had changed. |
| 21:30.17 | dataw0lf | My face feels like it's about to fall off |
| 21:30.18 | elg | there were 2 days about a week and a half ago that floored me though |
| 21:30.29 | dataw0lf | with claritin + mucinex packed into my system |
| 21:30.42 | unum | I felt better about things but wanted to give it time and see if thing remained good(time being like an other month) |
| 21:30.56 | unum | but she didn't want that, and told me I had to make up my mind on the spot to marry her |
| 21:31.03 | JoshH | yikes |
| 21:31.08 | maquis | JoshH: in my experience, dear johns get much more attention in jokes than they would deserve based on the number that occur. ie, it's something lots of people like to make jokes about... |
| 21:31.19 | JoshH | i took 8 years to get married |
| 21:31.31 | unum | we ended up talking again 6 months later(her mom died the day before my dad did) and I really felt like things were good, but she wouldn't have me back |
| 21:31.54 | Sargun | dataw0lf, I'm pulling zyrtec now |
| 21:31.55 | levi | Missed your chance, buddy! :P |
| 21:32.05 | Sargun | and that fixes my allergies, just wants to make me go to sleep |
| 21:32.15 | elg | bummer. |
| 21:32.22 | JoshH | that doesn't sound completely blown |
| 21:32.25 | levi | Seems like she's being silly to me, but people are often silly when it comes to relationships. |
| 21:32.26 | unum | the girl that makes egg rolls and plays snes ended things with me and I have no idea why |
| 21:32.27 | JoshH | just that she's being stupid |
| 21:32.29 | elg | of course, (based on a simplistic IRC conversation) she could just want you to chase her |
| 21:32.33 | unum | I probably said something stupid one day |
| 21:32.42 | elg | never underestimate tenacity (when applied romantically) |
| 21:32.45 | rsimpkins | There is an excellent alergist in Provo that helped me quite a bit. |
| 21:32.50 | elg | not to be confused with tenacity applied stalkerly |
| 21:33.00 | rsimpkins | If anyone is interested. |
| 21:33.01 | JoshH | right |
| 21:33.02 | levi | Yeah, it took me a while to bring my wife around to wanting to marry me. |
| 21:33.02 | Sargun | levi, people are often silly period. |
| 21:33.12 | Sargun | rsimpkins, what did he do to you |
| 21:33.21 | unum | elg: we had a nice talk about it. it's over. a month ago she sent me a text message talking about she still wanted to see but couldn't do it anymore and was going to ban my number |
| 21:33.25 | elg | levi: ditto. we were engaged 3 times |
| 21:33.28 | JoshH | haha |
| 21:33.31 | rsimpkins | Sargun: He gave me a spray steroid, that's all it took. |
| 21:33.38 | JoshH | banning your number probably means you should forget about it |
| 21:33.45 | rsimpkins | Sargun: I happen to have pretty bad allergies to grass. Quite severe. |
| 21:33.50 | JoshH | unless she's just really psycho |
| 21:33.52 | unum | there's another one I've been working on for five years..... |
| 21:33.53 | JoshH | in which case you don't want her anyway |
| 21:34.01 | Sargun | rsimpkins, ah, yeah, I don't want to do that.. side effects != fun. |
| 21:34.02 | dataw0lf | maquis: Dear John letters? We had a whole wallful when I was in the military. They happen pretty often. |
| 21:34.12 | rsimpkins | Sargun: There are no side effects for me. |
| 21:34.12 | Sargun | What the hell are dear john letters? |
| 21:34.12 | maquis | dataw0lf: i mean in terms of the missions... |
| 21:34.17 | Sargun | rsimpkins, lucky. |
| 21:34.17 | elg | yeah. but you could still send a birthday card. maybe one year she'll respond. maybe you won't care then - but you can cross that bridge later |
| 21:34.26 | maquis | most of my friends weren't dating anyone when they left... |
| 21:34.26 | Sargun | rsimpkins, I was on immunotherapy for a couple years. |
| 21:34.35 | rsimpkins | Sargun: That work? |
| 21:34.37 | dataw0lf | maquis: ah, gotcha. |
| 21:34.46 | Sargun | rsimpkins, Yup. |
| 21:34.53 | Sargun | rsimpkins, but it wears off |
| 21:34.56 | rsimpkins | Sargun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dear_John_letter |
| 21:35.03 | JoshH | maquis: you should go on a sympathy date with unum |
| 21:35.06 | maquis | Sargun: dear johns are letters that girls send to guys who are away (mission/military/other) breaking up on them |
| 21:35.06 | JoshH | who knows, it could work out |
| 21:35.09 | elg | maquis: they happen all the time |
| 21:35.09 | maquis | JoshH: i'm married... |
| 21:35.10 | unum | Sargun: they are letters than girls send to their boyfriends when they are gone telling them they don't want to date anymore |
| 21:35.13 | JoshH | so what |
| 21:35.21 | elg | that is, to the majority of guys dumb enough to go with a girl waiting |
| 21:35.23 | JoshH | actually, i thought you were single for some reason |
| 21:35.25 | Sargun | ah |
| 21:35.27 | maquis | JoshH: let me rephrase that... i'm *happily* married :) |
| 21:35.32 | Sargun | Thanks |
| 21:35.33 | maquis | JoshH: i was when i started hanging out on here |
| 21:35.33 | maquis | :) |
| 21:35.36 | Sargun | goes to school. |
| 21:35.54 | elg | my mom gets them pretty bad and swears by quercitin |
| 21:35.55 | maquis | elg: maybe that's why i got the idea they were less common... |
| 21:36.06 | maquis | most of my friends weren't dumb |
| 21:36.32 | maquis | my mom has bad allergies and she gets shots for them |
| 21:36.47 | dataw0lf | yea my mom actually gave me a shot this weekend, didn't help |
| 21:36.50 | maquis | those seem to work most of the time (the primary exception being the day that a shot put her in the hospital for a week) |
| 21:36.54 | elg | (technically my DJ wasn't "waiting" for me - we didn't break up but we did set anti-expectations) |
| 21:36.56 | levi | I couldn't get any girls before my mission, so I didn't have the Dear John problem. |
| 21:36.59 | JoshH | if i was mormon, i'd try to marry first, mission later, unless i had no gf when it was time to go |
| 21:37.04 | rsimpkins | You can do shots or other methods. I think the shots are expensive. |
| 21:37.29 | levi | JoshH: Doesn't quite work that way. |
| 21:37.35 | maquis | dataw0lf: has to be pretty regular... she has to do them ever 2 weeks, and the dosage increases every couple months... for the first while, it's not super effective, but later on it is... |
| 21:37.49 | elg | well, unless he means much later |
| 21:38.02 | unum | though they encourage you to go both times :) |
| 21:38.03 | JoshH | can't married couples go on missions together? |
| 21:38.04 | elg | couple missions are usually done in retirement |
| 21:38.08 | dataw0lf | maquis: yea, I know, I just mean it isn't helping so far and I'd like to feel mission ready, like, soon. |
| 21:38.18 | elg | i'm not sure if that's pragmatics or if there's a lower limit |
| 21:38.19 | levi | elg: Even so, that puts a certain obstacle in front of the whole getting married idea. |
| 21:38.21 | maquis | dataw0lf: yeah... i understand |
| 21:38.35 | elg | levi: yes, true, though it depends |
| 21:38.44 | maquis | i'm lucky that i don't have my mom's allergies.. just have a little allergies occasionally, but nothing bad |
| 21:39.02 | elg | and remember that whole bar thing - rumor has it a lower percentage of guys are going these days |
| 21:39.08 | elg | than in our day |
| 21:39.19 | elg | maquis: there's still time for you |
| 21:39.27 | levi | Well, sure, but the 'good girls' will still want an RM. |
| 21:39.34 | JoshH | also, why do so many missionaries bother working in the SLC area? i can't imagine the convertable pool is very high around here, since most non-mormons are quite familiar with the church already and generally have strong feelings about it. i've seen a bunch walking around lately, more than usual |
| 21:39.47 | elg | levi: yup, at least in Utah |
| 21:39.52 | levi | JoshH: They don't have a choice. |
| 21:40.10 | elg | JoshH: and relatively speaking there's not a bunch |
| 21:40.11 | JoshH | right, i know that |
| 21:40.12 | levi | JoshH: And you'd probably be surprised by the conversion rate. |
| 21:40.21 | JoshH | is it above average here? |
| 21:40.28 | JoshH | i would have guessed pretty low, obviously |
| 21:41.03 | rsimpkins | JoshH: There are lots of reasons why this area has a higher conversion rate than in other places in the country. |
| 21:41.14 | unum | member recruitment is key |
| 21:42.04 | unum | the members that are here help find people to teach to. |
| 21:42.15 | elg | yeah, by far the most effective conversion method is via friendship with members |
| 21:42.16 | unum | a lot of the conversion are people who have just moved to utah |
| 21:43.23 | unum | some people who's parents left the church will join when they reach adult hood |
| 21:43.53 | unum | the missionaries primary purpose actually isn't supposed to be finding new members, it's supposed to be teaching them after members find them |
| 22:01.48 | maquis | unum: that and working with inactive members as well... (with the help of members) |
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| 22:02.09 | harleypig | Missionaries primary purpose differs from missionary to missionary. |
| 22:02.20 | unum | harleypig: you win :) |
| 22:02.39 | harleypig | :] |
| 22:03.56 | maquis | changes unum's statement from "primary" to "intended" |
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| 22:14.18 | tensai | elg: I married my HS sweetheart and so far so good |
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| 22:15.02 | JoshH | tensai, did she wait for you on your mission? |
| 22:15.13 | unum | wonders how much older he is than some of the married people |
| 22:16.02 | tensai | JoshH: well, sorta. we more or less said we would see what happened when I returned. not a break up, but also not not a break up. |
| 22:17.10 | JoshH | that's good, as long as she didn't have any flings |
| 22:17.35 | unum | doesn't matter if she did. they weren't dating |
| 22:17.42 | tensai | she wasn't exactly the flingy type, but she did date. luckily, for me, Mr Right didn't come along. |
| 22:18.01 | JoshH | well, yay then |
| 22:18.53 | tensai | her friends tried to convince her to send me a dear john. said I would focus better. |
| 22:18.57 | JoshH | i guess the nice thing about mormon dating is that you can reasonably assume that if she simply "dated", then nobody got to any bases with her |
| 22:19.03 | JoshH | who cares if she just got taken out to dinner |
| 22:20.02 | JoshH | so if you aren't exclusive, then it's really not that much of a problem, as long as no other dates impress her too much |
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| 22:22.54 | unum | and if they did who cares. she's with the guy she wanted to be with. let her go. |
| 22:23.28 | JoshH | see unum, that's the attitude that keeps you single :P |
| 22:26.12 | unum | there's a lot of truth to that. I want to marry a girl who wants to marry me because of who I am. |
| 22:26.36 | unum | I refuse to date girls who just want to marry the first guy that will take them to the temple. |
| 22:28.14 | JoshH | i think that happens because of the pressure to get married and start pumping out kids quickly, and i do commend you for your ability to hold out |
| 22:28.33 | JoshH | i know some mormon guys who are so stressed they are on all kinds of pills becuase they are 24 and single |
| 22:28.46 | JoshH | and they probably would marry the first girl they could |
| 22:28.50 | unum | I've seen similiar behavior in other cultures |
| 22:28.57 | JoshH | sure |
| 22:29.05 | unum | where women move in with and start having children with the first guy that will let them |
| 22:32.34 | JoshH | i think that usually happens in either religious cultures, or cultures where women really depend on men |
| 22:36.45 | maquis | i've seen all types of behaviors in happy valley |
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