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| 01:54.05 | levi | Wow, how the mighty fall. SGI now owned by Rackable. |
| 01:57.11 | levi | Poor Bo. Couldn't save Linux Networx, and couldn't save SGI. |
| 01:57.57 | levi | I wonder if Rackable is going to keep the ex-Linux Networx guys that SGI aquired when they bought LNXI's assets. |
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| 02:38.47 | kotlc | evening everyone |
| 02:40.51 | levi | Good evening. |
| 02:41.17 | RyanE | evening. |
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| 02:41.58 | kotlc | it seems quiet, I remember IRC used to have a lot more activity |
| 02:43.04 | coldblue012 | I agree. This channel seems rather quiet for how many people are in here. |
| 02:43.13 | RyanE | alot of us lurkers |
| 02:43.28 | RyanE | just waiting to pounce. |
| 02:43.34 | coldblue012 | lol |
| 02:43.54 | Heartsbane | is a lurker. |
| 02:44.19 | kotlc | I feel like an old man... I used IRC the first time 15 years ago |
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| 02:45.53 | kotlc | 'course I was only like 17 at the time, so I'm not quite to the gray beard and suspenders stage of life |
| 02:46.28 | coldblue012 | Yeah, but any time you've been doing something for double digit years ya feel old. |
| 02:47.24 | kotlc | that's the truth... I've been away from IRC for a long time, so I guess I was surprised to see so little activity |
| 02:47.48 | kotlc | Of course, I guess it's not the most well known form of online communication |
| 02:48.18 | RyanE | #utah is more busy during the day when some of us are trying to avoid working... :) |
| 02:49.18 | kotlc | I know that feeling |
| 02:49.30 | kotlc | avoiding work is pretty easy with my group of co-workers though |
| 02:49.42 | kotlc | anything will distract us from real work |
| 02:49.59 | RyanE | wha? Were you saying something? :) |
| 02:50.23 | kotlc | exactly |
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| 03:48.26 | tarrant | I can never remember what is the suggested branch of debian for users? |
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| 04:37.13 | levi | tarrant: Depends on what kind of user you are. :) |
| 04:37.26 | levi | tarrant: I would recommend testing |
| 04:38.48 | tarrant | levi: Thanks my friend is looking at installing it and I could never remember which branch is which for debian. |
| 04:42.49 | levi | The stable branch is rock-solid, but outdated. The unstable branch is pretty up-to-date, but there are sometimes issues that require deep knowledge of Debian to resolve. The testing branch is somewhere in between, and is generally stable enough to avoid those nasty 'OMG, how do I fix THIS?' issues. |
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| 05:36.49 | levi | Huh, I missed that Twitter switched to Scala for all their back-end stuff. |
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| 14:05.05 | eightyeight | ~say atoponce |
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| 15:34.17 | eightyeight | ~rlart |
| 15:34.17 | ibot | blasts peno to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 15:34.26 | eightyeight | ~boo |
| 15:34.26 | ibot | for heaven's sake, eightyeight, don't do that! |
| 15:34.42 | elg | wonders if his battery will last until graduation |
| 15:35.07 | eightyeight | ~boo |
| 15:35.08 | ibot | for heaven's sake, eightyeight, don't do that! |
| 15:35.12 | eightyeight | better |
| 15:35.29 | elg | ~scare eightyeight |
| 15:36.04 | eightyeight | double-checking hilight color |
| 15:38.10 | elg | ~lart sourceforge |
| 15:38.10 | ibot | steals sourceforge's mojo |
| 15:38.27 | elg | great, now no website *or* mojo |
| 15:38.48 | elg | am i the only one who can't get http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=426512&aid=2564759&group_id=39915 |
| 15:38.53 | brac | [SourceForge.net: AquaTerm (Mac OS X graphics terminal): Detail: 2564759 - too many windows] |
| 15:42.01 | eightyeight | must be. it rendered for me |
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| 15:46.25 | elg | blames jsmith |
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| 15:53.39 | tensai | elg: yup, just you. I can sum up for you: stop using osx |
| 15:53.48 | elg | actually it was firefox |
| 15:53.53 | elg | restarting ff did the trick |
| 15:56.19 | jsmith | elg: What you blaming me for? |
| 15:56.28 | elg | firefox, apparently |
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| 17:09.57 | jessie | hey all |
| 17:10.58 | elg | ~heart mindmaps |
| 17:11.07 | elg | ~lart the bot |
| 17:11.07 | ibot | lowers the bot's priority |
| 17:11.19 | elg | what did they do to you ibot? |
| 17:13.14 | jessie | for reals! he's been...... altered! |
| 17:16.21 | sjansen | wonders if Matt Warnock also hangs out in #utah |
| 17:16.56 | sjansen | ~blame TimRiker |
| 17:21.42 | sjansen | ~wake ibot |
| 17:21.53 | sjansen | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
| 17:22.02 | sjansen | ~mourn ibot |
| 17:22.14 | emcnabb | sjansen, back to work |
| 17:22.15 | emcnabb | please |
| 17:22.29 | sjansen | ~distract emcnabb |
| 17:23.21 | emcnabb | sjansen, go away maggot |
| 17:23.25 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 17:24.36 | jessie | haha |
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| 17:39.54 | tensai | maquis: are you a pokemon? |
| 17:47.41 | sjansen | ~poke maquis |
| 17:48.08 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | April 1st 2009: Pax Top Posting |
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| 18:14.16 | sontek | slaps Jayce^ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:15.00 | brasto | anyone know how to attach one flac file onto the end of another so they are one flac file? |
| 18:15.22 | brasto | man flac didn't seem to give a way to do it via flac cli |
| 18:19.28 | tensai | brasto: sox? |
| 18:20.55 | brasto | tensai I'll see if I have that installed. First I'm going to try Audacity. It's GUI and slower than a simple command might be, but maybe it'll work to paste the contents of one to the back of the other and save it. |
| 18:23.07 | tensai | well, this seems to work |
| 18:23.47 | tensai | flac -d foo.flac; flac -d bar.flac; sox foo.wav bar.wav both.wav; flac both.wav |
| 18:24.05 | tensai | that requires you to convert it to wav, which could take a while depending on the size |
| 18:24.18 | tensai | my version of sox doesn't support flac natively |
| 18:24.45 | maquis | tensai: not a pokemon |
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| 18:27.19 | goozbach | hedgehog? |
| 18:27.37 | goozbach | armidillo(sp?) |
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| 18:34.29 | tensai | ~spell armadillo |
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| 18:44.19 | UbuntuCop | !having fun |
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| 18:49.51 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 18:49.51 | ibot | moos at goozbach |
| 18:50.01 | unum | schneier is lanching his movie plot contest again: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/04/fourth_annual_m.html |
| 18:50.03 | brac | [Schneier on Security: Fourth Annual Movie-Plot Threat Contest] |
| 18:50.24 | eightyeight | ~boo |
| 18:50.24 | ibot | for heaven's sake, eightyeight, don't do that! |
| 18:51.59 | eightyeight | does it again |
| 18:52.03 | eightyeight | ~boo |
| 18:52.03 | ibot | for heaven's sake, eightyeight, don't do that! |
| 18:52.10 | eightyeight | hmm. not working |
| 18:53.22 | eightyeight | one more time |
| 18:53.29 | eightyeight | ~boo |
| 18:53.29 | ibot | for heaven's sake, eightyeight, don't do that! |
| 18:53.49 | maquis | ~boo eightyeight |
| 19:09.03 | brasto | tensai: is sox easy to use to concatenate audio files? It looks like it might be from the man page, but there's a couple side effects to consider: |
| 19:09.15 | brasto | does it strip out meta data, or carry over from one of the tracks? |
| 19:09.34 | tensai | it's quite easy to use. I'm not sure about the metadata though. |
| 19:09.50 | tensai | if you convert to wav, I think that's when you'll lose your metadata |
| 19:10.02 | fozzmoo | mrpull: pong |
| 19:11.04 | brasto | ok, that's the only thing to consider that I can remember at the moment |
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| 19:11.50 | brasto | audacity strips out the meta data each time I import a file, so i have to copy/paste it back in, or manually type it back in. |
| 19:12.46 | elg | do you have the latest beta? |
| 19:12.56 | elg | the latest beta keeps metadata |
| 19:13.31 | elg | but if you want to do it a lot, you're probably better off scripting it |
| 19:13.40 | brasto | I have a cd with a narrative before each song. Each narrative is it's own track. This is fine except when shuffling. Then I get the narratives separated from the songs. So I'm combining them. |
| 19:13.49 | brasto | elg, nope |
| 19:13.52 | elg | i'm sure you can find a cli tool to dump metadata in a format that can be fed back into it to retag after the concat |
| 19:14.12 | brasto | yea, there's a few things that need to be changed anyway |
| 19:14.24 | brasto | like it will go from 20 tracks to 10 |
| 19:15.02 | elg | with flac there's no concern about transcoding since it's lossless |
| 19:16.57 | brasto | yea, there's one question you bring to mind though elg |
| 19:17.13 | brasto | audacity flac export has a 16 bit and a 24 bit option |
| 19:17.35 | elg | you would want to keep the number of bits the same |
| 19:17.36 | brasto | I think my ripper is ripping them all 16 bit |
| 19:17.40 | elg | for full fidelity |
| 19:17.49 | elg | but you're not going to notice the difference between 24 and 16 bit |
| 19:18.01 | elg | 24 bit is mostly for headroom for doing audio procesing |
| 19:18.13 | elg | the limit of human perception is something like 12 bits |
| 19:18.18 | elg | 16 is just a nice power of 2. |
| 19:18.22 | elg | and multiple of 8 |
| 19:18.32 | brasto | ok, cool |
| 19:18.47 | brasto | and 16 bit is significantly smaller than 24 bit |
| 19:19.19 | elg | i should point out for completeness that what I said isn't entirely true when you're dealing with music that has been dynamically compressed into the top few bits |
| 19:19.27 | elg | but it's going to sound terrible no matter what you do to it, so... |
| 19:19.56 | elg | if you have something that is 24 bit and has always been 24 bit since that dynamic compression step, you wouldn't want to go to 16 bit |
| 19:20.16 | elg | though even then you'd have to be an audiophile to notice. |
| 19:21.01 | elg | (and if you're an audiophile you might turn up your nose at it anyway) |
| 19:21.36 | tensai | elg: just over a week until my organ performance |
| 19:22.12 | elg | sweet. how's it coming? |
| 19:22.46 | tensai | pretty good. I can play it well enough. I'm still working on getting the tempo just right. |
| 19:23.48 | tensai | it's amazing to me, although everyone said this would be true, that as I'm playing my feet really just play by themselves and I don't think much about them |
| 19:24.26 | elg | minds of their own |
| 19:25.34 | tensai | I've also been gearing up on in dulci jubilo. I might have that one ready by december. |
| 19:26.07 | elg | good |
| 19:26.23 | elg | our ward has gone draconian and only allows hymns or arrangement of hymns |
| 19:26.34 | elg | hymns in our hymnbook |
| 19:26.44 | tensai | copy and paste, baby |
| 19:26.58 | tensai | does that include the older revisions as well? |
| 19:27.10 | elg | maybe. if you hold your mouth just right |
| 19:27.18 | elg | and the primary book apparently |
| 19:27.30 | elg | is tempted to get an old primary book and pick one of the more rambunctious songs |
| 19:28.55 | elg | i'm going to play bach's rendition of a mighty fortress |
| 19:28.58 | elg | bwv 720 |
| 19:29.02 | elg | in may |
| 19:29.07 | elg | may-be ;-) |
| 19:31.47 | elg | or maybe i'll just pick the most unfamiliar, unmusical hymn from the hymnbook and play it at old lady speed. |
| 19:32.01 | maquis | elg: you could do popcorn |
| 19:32.09 | maquis | or hinges |
| 19:36.21 | ^Migs^ | http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Quite-simply-the-most-amazing-golf-hole-on-the-p?urn=golf,152314 |
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| 19:49.14 | sontek | :O~ |
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| 20:07.25 | peno | O_o |
| 20:09.55 | Jayce^ | wtf? who let sontek in? |
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| 20:15.27 | sjansen | Jayce^: Be quiet. The plan was to let him in, but make him think the channel was deserted. |
| 20:40.40 | fozzmoo | git question: Someone's repo is WAY behind. |
| 20:40.53 | fozzmoo | I want to just trash any uncommited stuff... |
| 20:41.02 | fozzmoo | and get them up to date with the upstream. |
| 20:41.10 | fozzmoo | What's the 1 or 2 commands to do that? |
| 20:47.45 | levi | I'm no git expert, but couldn't you do a pull/push to the respository and then a reset to the head? |
| 20:50.11 | sontek | *jedi mind trick* Jayce^ you do not see me! |
| 21:00.35 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: they just need to git up to par with master on the server? 'git pull' should do that fine. if not, you can delete their .git/ dir, run 'git init' then 'git pull <repo> master' |
| 21:00.55 | fozzmoo | ok. |
| 21:11.55 | sjansen | I'm no Tene, but I'd be included to: git reset --hard origin/master |
| 21:12.02 | sjansen | s/included/inclined/ |
| 21:13.12 | sjansen | Of course, you'd probably need to first do a git fetch |
| 21:13.36 | Tene | I would do: |
| 21:13.53 | Tene | git fetch; git checkout origin/master; git branch -D master; git checkout -b master |
| 21:14.35 | sontek | I'd use Visual Source Safe instead |
| 21:17.00 | Jayce^ | sontek: but you always use that |
| 21:18.25 | sontek | Its so powerful! No need for merging or anything! :P |
| 21:27.04 | elg | fozzmoo: probably too late, but I'd think of it as a two-step process. first, get rid of local changes (git reset --hard) then do a pull |
| 21:27.13 | elg | that should give you no trouble at all |
| 21:28.10 | elg | you could possibly pull and then reset but then you risk some funky merge failing and you have to deal with that manually. not the end of the world but you'd rather not. |
| 21:28.33 | levi | elg: That's the reverse of what I was thinking, but probably better as you say. |
| 21:29.14 | elg | incidentally, git-reset has to be one of the most unintuitive commands evar |
| 21:29.21 | elg | --mixed, --hard, --soft? wtf? |
| 21:29.58 | elg | you could also cheat by doing |
| 21:30.01 | elg | git checkout . |
| 21:30.09 | elg | which is afaict the same as git reset --hard |
| 21:43.30 | elg | yes |
| 21:43.32 | elg | no |
| 21:43.34 | elg | maybe so |
| 22:02.58 | levi | git is weird. |
| 22:19.34 | *** join/#utah Lone_Wanderer (n=Dan@c-24-10-162-205.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:19.35 | brac | pushes Lone_Wanderer past the Shoe Event Horizon |
| 22:20.37 | Lone_Wanderer | http://dpaste.com/22853/ - this is what happens when I try to emerge apr |
| 22:20.44 | Lone_Wanderer | (which is part of an attempt to emerge svn) |
| 22:21.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it possible that I have a bad list of mirrors or something? |
| 22:21.24 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: There it is, I see you're problem. You're using Gentoo. |
| 22:21.50 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen, I had faith that you would say something like that, and you have not let me down. |
| 22:22.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Unfortunately, changing to a different distro is not an option just now. But if I were to change, what would you recommend I go to? |
| 22:22.26 | sjansen | http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E416.html |
| 22:22.46 | sjansen | Sounds like somebody is out of sync. Either you or the mirror. |
| 22:23.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, this is what I get after about twenty pages of mirrors timing out. |
| 22:23.53 | Lone_Wanderer | That reminds me (you being here) - I've got money and time. I should finally take some of those classes that the place you work at offers. |
| 22:24.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Whatever it's called. Yogi Labs, or Guru Workshops or something. |
| 22:25.20 | sjansen | Guru Labs |
| 22:25.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 22:25.42 | sjansen | As for what you should switch to, depends on what you need it for. |
| 22:25.59 | sjansen | Probably RHEL/CentOS or Fedora. |
| 22:26.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Web server, box to mess around with Lisp on, development platform for random projects. |
| 22:26.37 | Lone_Wanderer | If I could get git and/or svn to run on it that would be absolutely capital. |
| 22:26.52 | sjansen | Sounds like Fedora or Ubuntu would be great choices. Although Gentoo used to also make a great mess around distro. |
| 22:27.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Why not any more? |
| 22:27.36 | sjansen | I miss the good old days before the Gentoo community went insane and ate itself alive. Used to produce some great documentation. |
| 22:28.34 | sjansen | I left Gentoo because it was too time consuming, and its quality seemed to be going downhill. |
| 22:29.23 | sjansen | A little while later the whole Gentoo Civil War erupted. |
| 22:29.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I picked it because it didn't come with a lot of stuff installed by default, but the package management system came highly recommended. |
| 22:30.03 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: Can the box get to other Web sites? Maybe you have a network issue. |
| 22:30.22 | Jayce^ | I think the box is just trying to tell him something... |
| 22:30.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Well I can use lynx to get to google |
| 22:30.42 | sjansen | Jayce^ is just bitter because no one even knows what Sorcerer Linux was. |
| 22:30.53 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: How about the GL Web site? |
| 22:31.03 | Jayce^ | now that's a blast from the past :) |
| 22:31.15 | goozbach | Sorcerer linux? |
| 22:31.32 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, it can get gentoo.org just fine |
| 22:31.39 | RyanE | Now that Ubuntu and the other distros have a sane package management system, I feel less of the need to do gentoo. |
| 22:31.49 | Jayce^ | back when source was all the rage goozbach it was a bash based source distro :) |
| 22:31.59 | RyanE | back when I was on Gentoo, RPMs were the package management 'best of best'... blech. |
| 22:32.03 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: Registration for GL classes should be Lynx compatible. ;-) |
| 22:32.22 | RyanE | RPM hell sucked compared to having to compile your own distro every update. |
| 22:32.23 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, guru labs. I thought you meant gentoo linux. |
| 22:32.37 | sjansen | Do you have a telnet client on the box? |
| 22:32.41 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:32.56 | Jayce^ | do you have a serial cable? |
| 22:33.08 | sjansen | You could try picking one of the mirrors from the error messages. |
| 22:33.15 | sjansen | telnet mirror.example.com 80 |
| 22:33.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe? The server is in a Linode data center though. |
| 22:34.28 | sjansen | If telnet connects, try something like: |
| 22:34.37 | sjansen | GET / HTTP/1.0<enter><enter> |
| 22:34.53 | Lone_Wanderer | nods. |
| 22:35.46 | Lone_Wanderer | So apparently (I just did an emerge --sync) python 2.6 has been hard masked, but is also required to update emerge |
| 22:37.36 | sjansen | Silly Gentoo, breaking the package manager is for Rawhide. |
| 22:37.42 | Lone_Wanderer | portage* |
| 22:37.58 | sjansen | Or have you been a naughty boy, unmasking things that aren't meant to be unmasked. |
| 22:38.00 | sjansen | ? |
| 22:38.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Nope. |
| 22:38.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know how to do that. |
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| 22:41.38 | sjansen | Sometimes the only way to fix a Gentoo problem is to sleep on it. Wait a day for the mirrors to to updated with unborkified ebuilds. |
| 22:41.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Not a bad idea. |
| 22:42.05 | sjansen | Although that doesn't really explain why you got a giant list of failed mirrors. |
| 22:42.32 | sjansen | Unless the mirror list server is borked. |
| 22:42.59 | Lone_Wanderer | It's just for that one package. |
| 22:43.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I just barely did a different one, don't recall the name now, and it went through fine. |
| 22:46.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently the problem is that my portage installation is more than a year old |
| 22:46.29 | Lone_Wanderer | which of course makes upgrading it Completely Impossible |
| 23:00.51 | sjansen | heh |
| 23:00.58 | sjansen | Yeah, that'd probably do it. |
| 23:01.42 | sjansen | Next time you build a mess around server, Fedora and Ubuntu are great choices. |
| 23:01.51 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |
| 23:02.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm considering ripping this one out and reinstalling something else. Does Fedora have a flexible package management system? |
| 23:03.41 | Tene | What do you mean by 'flexible'? |
| 23:04.09 | Tene | Alternatively, do you have examples of inflexibility in package management systems? |
| 23:04.26 | Lone_Wanderer | RPMs |
| 23:04.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, on Portage, if I want Apache with bla-blah support I can turn on the bla-blah use flag. |
| 23:04.51 | Tene | What do you mean? |
| 23:05.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is what I mean by flexible. |
| 23:05.18 | Tene | No, fedora doesn't do that. |
| 23:05.30 | Tene | only source-based distributions do that. |
| 23:05.48 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, okay |
| 23:06.44 | Tene | In my experience with fedora, if i want apache with bla-blah support, it's already there. |
| 23:07.07 | Tene | and, specific to apache, if I want to disable something in apache I just remove the module from its config file. |
| 23:10.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Right, but Lisp implementations tend to be finnicky things |
| 23:13.18 | herlo | Read about the UTOSC 2009 Theme - http://tinyurl.com/utosc2009-theme |
| 23:14.37 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: which lisp implementations have you been using lately? |
| 23:14.46 | Tene | I can tell you their support in fedora. |
| 23:15.22 | Lone_Wanderer | sbcl I think it is |
| 23:16.22 | Tene | sbcl 1.0.22 is now installed on my laptop |
| 23:16.37 | Lone_Wanderer | That was quick. |
| 23:16.42 | Lone_Wanderer | What about SLIME and Emacs? ;) |
| 23:16.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Making them all happy with each other is where I usually run into issues. |
| 23:17.02 | Tene | that's not really a distro-related thing |
| 23:17.09 | Tene | that's user customization. |
| 23:17.55 | Lone_Wanderer | From what I recall, last time I did it (two years ago) sbcl had to be compiled with certain options set |
| 23:18.03 | Lone_Wanderer | or it wouldn't play nice |
| 23:18.14 | Tene | if you can tell me how to test it, I will. |
| 23:18.25 | Lone_Wanderer | doesn't remember. |
| 23:18.33 | Tene | Okay. :) |
| 23:18.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you have Emacs installed already? |
| 23:18.45 | Tene | Yes. |
| 23:19.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohh, I'm reading the SLIME docs and apparently they've made progress |