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| 02:44.13 | levi | Chuck is such a fun show. I hope it gets another season. |
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| 02:46.41 | tarrant | levi: I just want to see next episode. Last nights was mean. |
| 02:48.13 | levi | Yeah. |
| 02:49.30 | levi | Chuck is refreshingly eposodic in a world of complex arc-driven shows. Which I like, but sometimes that's not what you want. |
| 02:50.02 | tarrant | Though it still manages to have all of the episodes tie together into a greater plot. |
| 02:51.07 | levi | Yeah, there's a history that builds up and long-term stuff in the background, but most major stories are wrapped up in an episode or two. |
| 02:51.36 | levi | Unlike some, where you get strung along for a season or two wondering what's up. ;) |
| 02:51.50 | tarrant | dollhouse, anyone? |
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| 02:52.16 | tarrant | I love dollhouse but it is written like a soap opera. |
| 02:52.37 | levi | I'm enjoying it. |
| 02:53.20 | levi | I'd prefer having Firefly back, but it's an interesting show. |
| 02:55.34 | tarrant | I'm looking forward to them actually playing episodes of Dr. Who again. |
| 02:57.10 | tarrant | Anyways, tomorrow is the conflicker day isn't it? |
| 03:24.18 | levi | Yup, so I've heard. |
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| 05:32.06 | findlay | hello |
| 05:32.56 | tarrant | findlay: Hello |
| 05:33.33 | findlay | my name is findlay and I don't have a TV |
| 05:34.11 | tarrant | Thats what hulu is for. |
| 05:34.35 | findlay | huh, that reminds me |
| 05:36.10 | findlay | it throws me every time I overhear conversation between normal people than includes words like "pandora" or "twitter" or "hulu" in normal conversation |
| 05:36.21 | tarrant | ? |
| 05:37.35 | tarrant | They are aimed at the mainstream. They are also spreading in that direction from the early adopters. |
| 05:40.39 | findlay | even among random engineering students I hear them talking about ubuntu like it was normal |
| 05:40.53 | findlay | what's wrong with me? I used to be uber elite |
| 05:41.10 | findlay | everybody's taking my technology and giving it to the common man |
| 05:41.22 | tarrant | findlay: thats why you move to freebsd. |
| 05:41.25 | tarrant | ; ) |
| 05:41.49 | findlay | eh, I tried FreeBSD for a while. I liked gentoo better :) |
| 05:41.53 | tarrant | Ubuntu has always been popular with the mainstream but sorta geeky crowd. |
| 06:05.08 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I used to be weird if I said, "I met my wife online." |
| 06:05.16 | fozzmoo | Now people are like, "Oh yeah? Me too." |
| 06:05.25 | fozzmoo | But it was pretty spectacular in 1993. |
| 06:12.27 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I met my wife while levi and I were learning Prolog... does that count? |
| 06:12.41 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 06:12.53 | fozzmoo | jsmith: How the heck are you?! |
| 06:13.13 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Doing well... helping out with a class in Las Vegas this week |
| 06:13.29 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Ahhh. So you're relatively close. |
| 06:13.34 | jsmith | fozzmoo: (not that I like Las Vegas... or the desert... but it's good to be back out west, if only for a few days) |
| 06:13.46 | jsmith | fozzmoo: How have you been? |
| 06:14.02 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Pretty decent. keeping real busy. |
| 06:14.43 | fozzmoo | CentOS 5.3 came out 6 hours ago, so I've got a couple machines cranking away on updates and another downloading a x86_64 DVD torrent. |
| 06:15.02 | jsmith | E tu, brute? |
| 06:15.12 | fozzmoo | wha? |
| 06:15.24 | jsmith | (or however you spell that) |
| 06:16.08 | fozzmoo | Dax @ GL tells me 5.3 should be able to host a Fedora 10 Xen guest domain. |
| 06:16.14 | fozzmoo | So, I'm anxious to try. |
| 06:16.36 | jsmith | http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_et_tu_brute_mean |
| 06:16.54 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yeah... that's what I hear as well... although I'm using KVM a lot more than Xen these days |
| 06:17.32 | fozzmoo | So... you're saying you're doing 5.3 too? |
| 06:18.18 | fozzmoo | Most of the servers I work with are CentOS 5, so no KVM yet. I'll play with it eventually. I've heard neat things about it. |
| 06:20.02 | jsmith | Yes, I'm grabbing 5.3 as I type. |
| 06:20.24 | jsmith | (unfortunately, this hotel network isn't worth it's weight in twisted-pair) |
| 06:21.25 | fozzmoo | I heard a funny ad for Motel 6 on the radio today. |
| 06:21.40 | fozzmoo | The guy who always does the Motel 6 ads... says they've got Wifi there now... |
| 06:21.48 | fozzmoo | "Wifi stands for Wireless... Fi-something." |
| 06:33.07 | Sargun | Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 06:33.10 | Sargun | FINCH |
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| 13:13.34 | elg | -chat about today I |
| 13:13.36 | brac | today I received an email newsletter from some Canadian group, and how do you know there is a bit more difficult... |
| 13:13.59 | elg | i know because you received an email newsletter from some Canadian group |
| 13:18.19 | elg | tensai: the point of that recipe btw is to be really convenient - 8 hour blocks of time correspond to overnight or workday chunks |
| 13:19.20 | elg | so you could for example start the start before work, mix the dough after work, take it out before bed any day in the next couple days and bake it first thing in the morning. or take it out before work and bake it when you get home. |
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| 13:39.37 | Claud-SLC | clever, eh bot? |
| 13:39.40 | Claud-SLC | I mean hearts |
| 13:50.37 | ^Migs^ | lol @ Gmail Autopilot |
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| 14:12.47 | tensai | elg: you're right. I haven't tried your experiment yet. sometime this week maybe. |
| 14:13.00 | elg | one note i just realized i should mention |
| 14:13.21 | elg | the long rise at the end, should be in a humid room-temp place |
| 14:13.24 | Heartsbane | Claud-SLC: whatever mIRC boy, I should tell sjansen you are a top poster |
| 14:13.29 | tensai | hmm. I'm not sure I can accurately measure 10g of anything. |
| 14:13.30 | Heartsbane | BRB |
| 14:13.34 | elg | e.g. I put it under a box. a plastic storage box |
| 14:13.37 | elg | like a little greenhouse |
| 14:13.38 | elg | without the sun |
| 14:13.47 | elg | but an inverted bowl would work too |
| 14:14.09 | elg | tensai: ok, then just take 1/2 tablespoon of start |
| 14:14.12 | elg | or even 1 tablespoon |
| 14:14.22 | elg | at 100% hydration, though that's not really critical |
| 14:14.43 | tensai | I haven't yet upgraded to a digital scale |
| 14:15.10 | tensai | my start is 150% now |
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| 14:27.59 | elg | that's not a problem I don't think. |
| 14:28.29 | elg | that would raise the hydration about 4% of the final dough, which is still manageable. you could toss in an extra tablespoon of flour to counter, or do nothing |
| 14:29.23 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 14:29.23 | ibot | judo chops sjansen |
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| 15:24.04 | elg | hides from students in the library |
| 15:24.19 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 15:24.19 | brac | takes sjansen's tea |
| 15:29.22 | elg | waits for the other shoe to drop |
| 15:29.47 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Friends help friend reply to list |
| 15:30.13 | elg | i find it somewhat silly that eternal september is a good argument against top posting but not against list reply-to |
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| 15:41.46 | unum | all my coworkers top post and hate that I bottom post |
| 15:41.59 | unum | but I hate they forward 5 page emails to me and say "can you look at this" |
| 15:42.02 | unum | at the top..... |
| 15:42.19 | Jayce^ | wow, talk about evil: http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/zip/1102016793.html |
| 15:42.44 | elg | totally awesome |
| 15:43.32 | JoshH | that's just weird |
| 15:43.40 | JoshH | "here, i brought this, please go piss on it for me" |
| 15:46.41 | jnbek|wc | pure evil, i tells ya.. |
| 15:49.57 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html?cpg=93H |
| 15:49.58 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Squeez Bacon®] |
| 15:50.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/usb-pet-rock.html |
| 15:50.01 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: USB Pet Rock] |
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| 15:55.49 | neybar | sjansen++ |
| 16:00.28 | elg | neybar: what for spoiling a good joke? |
| 16:00.57 | sinuhe | It was a good joke |
| 16:01.19 | elg | at least it got one person before being spoiled :) |
| 16:02.55 | sinuhe | It got two, actually. |
| 16:03.15 | sinuhe | Have I ever mentioned that I hate April Fools? |
| 16:03.24 | elg | heh |
| 16:04.31 | elg | what kind of name is conficker anyway? |
| 16:04.38 | sinuhe | conflicker |
| 16:04.57 | sinuhe | I take that back |
| 16:05.00 | elg | ~fool emcnabb |
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| 16:05.15 | sinuhe | I'm having one of those days. Sigh. |
| 16:05.37 | elg | ah, it doesn't just allude to a bad word, it's german for a bad word |
| 16:05.58 | sinuhe | Ja. Das ist schade. |
| 16:06.28 | goozbach | what makes a good april fools joke? |
| 16:06.33 | goozbach | A: sublitly |
| 16:06.51 | elg | subtlety |
| 16:06.58 | goozbach | that too |
| 16:07.02 | goozbach | speling fail |
| 16:07.07 | goozbach | flai |
| 16:07.10 | elg | but not so subtle the joke isn't revealed |
| 16:07.14 | sinuhe | Not just subtlety. What did so well with Stuart's was understanding his own personality. |
| 16:07.45 | elg | i'm not yet convinced stuart's post on sllug was an april fool's joke |
| 16:07.59 | sinuhe | rests his case. |
| 16:08.01 | elg | i think it may be coincidental satire |
| 16:08.29 | elg | well i'm sure it's not serious. that's why i think it's run-of-the-mill satire |
| 16:09.01 | neybar | that's the tough part. It could be a joke, or not. Either way it's awesome. |
| 16:09.04 | elg | his "reasons" are obviously tongue-in-cheeck satirical attacks on the arguments for top posting |
| 16:09.30 | elg | it's a nice piece of satire, and it's hilarious that it happened on april fool's (UTC). more hilarious in fact if he didn't intend it |
| 16:10.03 | JoshH | well, he might have |
| 16:10.13 | JoshH | either way though, i grinned |
| 16:10.27 | sinuhe | Stuart actually warned me in advance; I just didn't pay attention. I get what I deserve when he makes it to the office today. |
| 16:10.45 | elg | but the reason i wonder is, would he spoil another's prank if he was such a masterful prankster himself? |
| 16:11.38 | elg | no, i think he truly does hate april fools and is a victim of coincidence |
| 16:11.47 | elg | the stars have aligned against him :) |
| 16:12.28 | sinuhe | On a different note, Opera releases as free software... |
| 16:12.50 | sinuhe | ...now that would make my non-April fools day. |
| 16:13.25 | sinuhe | apologizes for the topic switch. |
| 16:13.31 | JoshH | it's useless to speculate though, sjansen will be here to clarify the matter soon enough, no doubt |
| 16:13.38 | elg | indeed |
| 16:13.47 | elg | or to yank our chains, or both ;-) |
| 16:13.58 | sinuhe | If he walks in with a look that shows he's had me, I'll let you know. |
| 16:14.42 | JoshH | personally, i hate non-plaintext emails to lists more than i hate top posting |
| 16:14.55 | JoshH | sllug seems to have more offenders in that regard than plug |
| 16:15.59 | elg | to what are you referring sinuhe? I don't subscribe to plug, I just found his post in the archives |
| 16:17.15 | sinuhe | elg: I'm not subscribed to plug either. |
| 16:17.48 | JoshH | i am, only because sllug is usually dead and i need to have at least one semi-local thing to read |
| 16:19.59 | JoshH | it figures that sllug's most active thread in recent memory would be caused by pluggers flaming about top posting |
| 16:21.10 | sinuhe | JoshH: I've lurked on sllug for about 10 years now. I've only responded to two threads since I have. The current top posting thread and about 8-9 years ago to a similar thread. |
| 16:22.23 | sinuhe | I took Stuart's recent post as satire originally, too. And then after the C-d that sent my response, I thought, "I meant what I said, but I just took the bait, didn't I?" |
| 16:24.47 | sinuhe | crawls into his hole for another 8-9 year respite after reminding elg to look at Stuart's signature, which has changed today for the first time in awhile. |
| 16:26.06 | sinuhe | I normally hate practical jokes, but I've enjoyed today. :-) |
| 16:27.01 | JoshH | the best one i've seen was someone saying this pic was jessica biel snapped nude on a beach (sfw): http://www.picturestash.com/images/zdn1knpic27h6hyjyr7.jpg |
| 16:27.15 | JoshH | i tried repeating it in a few freenode channels but it didn't go over too well |
| 16:27.41 | levi | Heh, awesome: http://factor-language.blogspot.com/2009/04/sup-dawg-we-heard-you-like-smalltalk-so.html |
| 16:29.19 | fozzmoo | I played a joke on some guys I work with at a client's office. |
| 16:29.33 | fozzmoo | I changed the internal DNS zone data for the website domain they're developing. |
| 16:29.50 | fozzmoo | When they typed in the domain name, it sent them here: http://216.71.100.181/ |
| 16:29.51 | brac | [El Paseo Llama Expeditions] |
| 16:30.03 | fozzmoo | (Not the site they're working on.) |
| 16:30.15 | JoshH | that's not bad at all |
| 16:30.28 | fozzmoo | It caused a couple heart attacks. |
| 16:30.36 | elg | woohoo new mexico llamas! |
| 16:30.43 | fozzmoo | Project managers that thought the domain had expired and had been snatched up. |
| 16:31.02 | elg | those opportunistic llama herders |
| 16:31.04 | fozzmoo | So... it was fun. |
| 16:31.08 | elg | haha |
| 16:31.11 | JoshH | someone needs to tell them that domains don't just go from workign to snatched up in a day |
| 16:31.23 | fozzmoo | No. Nobody needs to tell them that. :) |
| 16:31.37 | JoshH | sigh |
| 16:31.48 | fozzmoo | Not today, anyway. |
| 16:32.03 | sinuhe | I'm waiting for one of the GNU hardcore developers on the GNU channel to arrive before posting this: I've decided today that I'm going to start using the term open source. Free software as a term scares people away from using open source software, and open source is an umbrella term that is more inclusive than free software. I think it is important for open source software to win so that everyone can have better software and not be |
| 16:32.03 | sinuhe | stuck with vendor-lockin. |
| 16:32.04 | elg | JoshH: they didn't like their chains yanked? or they didn't appreciate you posting porn? :) |
| 16:32.38 | levi | sinuhe: That'll go over like a ton of bricks. You can't joke about that kind of stuff! ;) |
| 16:32.38 | JoshH | the latter, few people even bothered to click it, thinking it was NSFW |
| 16:32.52 | fozzmoo | sinuhe: Sounds good to me. |
| 16:32.54 | elg | sinuhe: are you important? if not, that's just troll bait. if you're RMS, that's an april fools joke. :) |
| 16:33.00 | sinuhe | I'm dying to see what happens. |
| 16:33.04 | JoshH | it's amazing how many people out there have a gestapo at their workplace |
| 16:33.27 | elg | ~dict gestapo |
| 16:33.40 | sinuhe | elg: I'm known well enough at GNU that I'm sure it will have some takers. |
| 16:33.47 | elg | carry on then :) |
| 16:33.53 | fozzmoo | Uh.. yeah... everyone... has a secret state police in their workplace.... sure. |
| 16:33.59 | elg | levi's right, though. watch your back. you may be skewered |
| 16:34.13 | JoshH | well, i mean monitored net use |
| 16:34.15 | elg | fozzmoo: i was just curious what a gestapo really was |
| 16:34.34 | elg | i know it means like something really draconian trying to stifle personal freedom or ... yeah something vague |
| 16:34.45 | elg | now i'm informed |
| 16:35.07 | elg | i think it's a great word, and JoshH should continue to use it to describe workplace internet policies |
| 16:35.21 | fozzmoo | Funny how it's turned into a loose-fitting term to describe any kind of heavy-handed stuff... |
| 16:35.52 | levi | fozzmoo: You've never been guilty of anything like that, have you? ;) |
| 16:36.20 | JoshH | i even posted a funny pic of a guy with unusually large and feminine looking breasts once, and someone told me that it would have gotten him fired from his good job at a financial firm, had he actually seen it while at work |
| 16:36.24 | fozzmoo | of using a specific term in a loose-fitting way? |
| 16:36.31 | elg | fozzmoo: well, it is mildly interesting from a etymological perspective. are you implying it shouldn't? |
| 16:36.32 | JoshH | i don't understand why people tolerate being treated that way |
| 16:36.40 | JoshH | there are plenty of laid back companies out there |
| 16:36.50 | fozzmoo | JoshH: It's PC, man. |
| 16:37.10 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Sexual harrassment training scares the bejeebers out of people. |
| 16:37.41 | fozzmoo | elg: Nope. I'm in agreement with you. it IS interesting. |
| 16:37.42 | JoshH | it's like kids getting expelled from school for bringing in a water pistol |
| 16:37.55 | fozzmoo | JoshH: And yet... that sort of thing happens. |
| 16:38.05 | fozzmoo | remembers taking pocketknives to school and thinking nothing of it. |
| 16:38.07 | JoshH | policies being enforced to the letter, even in ridiculous cases |
| 16:39.04 | fozzmoo | JoshH: I like working as a contractor- usually at home. Nobody's monitoring my Internet usage... except me. |
| 16:39.13 | fozzmoo | But I do monitor my kids' usage. |
| 16:39.51 | fozzmoo | If they google "water pistol," they're banned from the computer for a week! :) |
| 16:40.09 | elg | what if they google "medicare"? |
| 16:40.36 | fozzmoo | They get sent to http://216.71.100.181/ |
| 16:40.37 | brac | [El Paseo Llama Expeditions] |
| 16:40.38 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 16:41.43 | elg | heh. " April Fools!! Snow in April.... good one! You got us big time! Now make it go away " |
| 16:41.44 | fozzmoo | takes a nap |
| 16:41.53 | JoshH | contract/consulting work is great, when the hourly rate is good, the hours are plentiful, and the client isn't watching you over your shoulder (working at home, etc). also, when the client does actually pay on time without requiring tons of reminders |
| 16:43.34 | elg | i swear, these students completely lost their minds over spring break. |
| 16:43.56 | elg | I tried "t.getShares() = shares" but it doesn't work. it gives me an error about how it can't be on the left side |
| 16:44.15 | elg | and how do I add a transaction to a queue? (answer: use the add method of the queue) |
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| 16:46.17 | JoshH | your reply should be an april fools joke |
| 16:47.13 | jsmith | elg: Ouch... |
| 16:48.28 | levi | elg: I pity you. |
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| 16:53.15 | elg | ~hail sjansen |
| 16:54.21 | elg | i nearly lost patience with one yesterday. "i don't know what to do next. what do I do next?" "well, what have you done so far?" "I don't know, I don't remember" |
| 16:59.19 | levi | Ugh. |
| 16:59.43 | levi | Well, programming *is* incredibly hard if you don't know how to think in a programming way. |
| 16:59.52 | levi | I kind of feel their pain, too. |
| 17:01.05 | JoshH | i'm not too good at programming beyond simple scripts, partly because i have a hard time thinking in a programming way, and partly because i'm absolutely horrible at math |
| 17:01.12 | elg | yeah. i don't mind the dumb questions too much but when the student has been doing well and comes back after spring break and can't remember what a variable is, it's a bit frustrating for everyone |
| 17:01.15 | JoshH | but i think i'm practically a genius compared to your students there |
| 17:01.30 | sjansen | I'm not convinced that programming is a skill anyone can learn with practice. |
| 17:01.38 | elg | i'm a little less inclined to pander to those who can't be bothered to think about and reread the assignment |
| 17:01.46 | elg | spring break o rnow |
| 17:01.48 | elg | or no |
| 17:02.25 | sjansen | elg: Wow. That must've been one heck of a spring break. |
| 17:02.29 | levi | elg: Yeah, I see your point. |
| 17:03.04 | elg | sjansen: you missed part a |
| 17:03.15 | elg | time without requiring tons of reminders |
| 17:03.16 | elg | [10:43] elg: |
| 17:03.16 | elg | i swear, these students completely lost their minds over spring break. |
| 17:03.16 | elg | [10:43] elg: |
| 17:03.16 | elg | I tried "t.getShares() = shares" but it doesn't work. it gives me an error about how it can't be on the left side |
| 17:03.17 | elg | [10:44] elg: |
| 17:03.17 | levi | sjansen: I'm not convinced that it's impossible for some people to learn how to think that way, but I'm sure it's very hard for some people. |
| 17:03.19 | elg | and how do I add a transaction to a queue? (answer: use the add method of the queue) |
| 17:03.51 | elg | there is without a doubt an aptitude for it |
| 17:04.19 | elg | that you either have or don't (or perhaps, that you either picked up through years of experience or didn't - not sure how much nature vs nurture) |
| 17:05.20 | elg | whether it can be learned and to what degree in spite of not having the aptitude, interesting question |
| 17:05.30 | levi | Yeah. |
| 17:06.06 | levi | How effectively can you instill a new pattern of thinking in someone? |
| 17:06.47 | elg | i think that depends on how effectively that person can execute the new pattern, and how willing the person is to change |
| 17:07.25 | levi | Yeah, certainly it's not going to happen if they're not willing to put in a great deal of effort. |
| 17:07.40 | levi | Just showing up to a class is not going to do it. |
| 17:08.38 | levi | Interesting research topic. |
| 17:09.02 | JoshH | even once you learn to think like a programmer, it still takes a huge time investment to learn how to use the skills effectively enough to create useful things. plus, learning all kinds of modules, libraries, etc just takes forever |
| 17:09.18 | JoshH | i don't think you can be good at it if it's just a casual hobby |
| 17:09.46 | elg | well i think that depends on what you mean by good at it |
| 17:10.13 | elg | can you churn out well-tested production code to the tune of a deadline if it's just a hobby? probably not |
| 17:10.23 | elg | can you write good code and enjoy doing it if it's just a hobby? I think so |
| 17:10.48 | elg | you don't have to know every corner of even one language to make it a satisfying and productive hobby |
| 17:12.17 | JoshH | myself, i can write scripts to manage accounts on my mailserver, do my backups, etc, but i can't do much beyond that. but i spend about 1 hour a month programming, if that. |
| 17:13.49 | elg | on a completely different subject, xmind is quite usable and nice despite being written in java |
| 17:13.51 | JoshH | i think being "good at it" is equal parts thinking the right way, and actually doing it often |
| 17:13.56 | levi | My wife apparently had a lot of free time at her old job, and her company paid for her to take classes to learn computer software. Apparently she learned a lot about Excel and Access, and made some simple games and such with them at the encouragement of her boss. |
| 17:15.32 | JoshH | i'd divorce my wife if she ever started using access |
| 17:15.42 | JoshH | not really, but i'd think about it |
| 17:15.56 | elg | i imagine it would depend on what she started using access for |
| 17:16.05 | levi | She's by no means a computer geek, but with a combination of self-directed learning, curiosity, and external encouragement, she ended up thinking like a programmer. |
| 17:16.23 | levi | JoshH: Nice. :P |
| 17:17.13 | levi | JoshH: My estimation of you dropped significantly from that comment. |
| 17:17.21 | JoshH | heh |
| 17:17.27 | JoshH | sometimes i can get carried away |
| 17:18.13 | levi | Excel and Access are the closest things most business computer users have to programming environments. |
| 17:18.16 | JoshH | in reality, i'd probably just make her sleep on the couch |
| 17:18.58 | JoshH | my wife is actually very handy with excel |
| 17:19.17 | levi | And, despite their flaws, they can be incredibly useful tools. |
| 17:19.19 | elg | it's a bit surprising that still there is no point-and-click database sort of thing in linux, similar to access or ye olde paradox |
| 17:19.27 | elg | but better of course |
| 17:19.33 | elg | and i don't think OOo's kluge counts |
| 17:20.38 | sjansen | What about the program by the Kompany? |
| 17:20.52 | levi | I'm not terribly surprised by it. It's not a trivial thing, and I don't think there'd be a huge market for it in the Linux community. |
| 17:21.26 | levi | And by market I mostly mean the free software mindshare market. |
| 17:21.56 | elg | i think it would be immensely useful even for linux geeks |
| 17:22.02 | sjansen | Glom is inching its way there. http://www.glom.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 17:22.07 | elg | but few hardcore devs would put their face to it :) |
| 17:22.20 | levi | Mostly linux geeks make web apps for database access. |
| 17:22.26 | elg | at least in the past. hopefully we'll see things emerge (maybe they already are, I'm not in touch) |
| 17:22.29 | JoshH | on the other hand, the lack of easy business software like that is one of the arguments against switching secretary types to linux |
| 17:22.45 | levi | Access UIs aren't much more sophisticated than Web UIs. |
| 17:23.18 | JoshH | not that it's a great argument anyway |
| 17:23.55 | JoshH | but MS office and adobe products for linux would be a huge deal |
| 17:24.27 | unum | access is being used for a lot of stuff it shouldn't be used for |
| 17:24.27 | elg | levi: no but they can be a little easier to make |
| 17:24.34 | sjansen | There we go. http://sourceforge.net/projects/rekall/ |
| 17:24.35 | brac | [SourceForge.net: Rekall] |
| 17:24.36 | elg | unum: so are web uis |
| 17:24.38 | sjansen | Looks like it died. |
| 17:24.48 | levi | Speaking of which, I need to edit some Word and Visio documents. :/ |
| 17:24.51 | unum | elg: guilt as charged :) |
| 17:25.02 | elg | and RDBMS in general. i swear the next time I install a simple program that needs mysql for no good reason |
| 17:25.28 | unum | I need to try glade + postgres |
| 17:25.39 | unum | and see how quickly I could put an app together |
| 17:26.19 | unum | elg: how do you handle access control when you're not using an rdbms |
| 17:26.32 | unum | that's mostly when I break down and use one |
| 17:26.43 | elg | access control? really? |
| 17:26.44 | unum | when multiple people need to have modify the same data |
| 17:27.20 | elg | well, when you have people modifying data you have a database |
| 17:27.27 | elg | when you have a database, well you have a database |
| 17:27.31 | levi | Can Access be used as a front end for MS SQL Server? |
| 17:28.08 | jshipley | can anybody solve this? http://www.logicgamesonline.com/netwalk/daily.php |
| 17:28.09 | brac | [Daily Expert Netwalk] |
| 17:28.23 | brac | Chuck Norris' calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd because NO ONE FOOLS CHUCK NORRIS |
| 17:28.41 | jshipley | I've just about convinced myself that it is unsolveable today |
| 17:28.54 | elg | clicks on the give up button |
| 17:29.25 | elg | snickers |
| 17:30.41 | jshipley | I usually solve those in about a minute, but I just can't get it to work today |
| 17:30.57 | levi | Apparently the answer is yes, you can use Access-built front-ends with SQL Server back-ends. |
| 17:31.12 | jshipley | That plus the fact that today is 'Break the Internet Day,' leads me to believe that it is just a prank |
| 17:31.21 | elg | so, did you give up? |
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| 17:39.00 | sinuhe | So the response from #gnu was as expected. One of the guys I work with wrote, "...you will be legally liable for any damage or loss of property that results." I guess they know me too well. |
| 17:48.56 | jshipley | elg: yes, I gave up after several good attempts |
| 17:49.11 | elg | so now you have your answer |
| 17:49.22 | Jayce^ | http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/Mastering-Cat/ |
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| 18:08.02 | Jayce^ | "XML is the spawn of Satan. And then Satan disowned it, because he demands a minimum level of competence from his vile offspring." |
| 18:17.33 | sjansen | Jayce^: I don't understand why you feel so threatened by pointy glyphs. |
| 18:20.21 | elg | `threaten sjansen |
| 18:20.25 | elg | ~threaten sjansen |
| 18:23.21 | Supaplex | ~annoy elg |
| 18:23.31 | Supaplex | ibot: wake up! |
| 18:23.31 | ibot | supaplex: I'm already awake! :) |
| 18:23.33 | Supaplex | :P |
| 18:23.50 | sjansen | ~scare elg |
| 18:24.05 | sjansen | ~frighten elg |
| 18:24.09 | sjansen | ~surprise elg |
| 18:24.14 | sjansen | ~annoy elg |
| 18:24.29 | Supaplex | ~bore us all |
| 18:24.36 | Supaplex | :`( |
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| 18:27.33 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 18:27.34 | ibot | hereby declares suspence a troll |
| 18:28.10 | sjansen | wonders who suspence is |
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| 18:29.04 | Jayce^ | he's killing me |
| 18:29.37 | goozbach | I'm gonna bet it's spencer |
| 18:29.44 | herlo | Theme, Venue and Dates for Utah Open Source Conference 2009 have been |
| 18:29.48 | herlo | set. Watch http://utos.org for the official announcement. |
| 18:29.56 | goozbach | herlo: WHEN? |
| 18:30.02 | goozbach | I'm refreshing like a mad man |
| 18:30.02 | herlo | goozbach: soon |
| 18:30.04 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:30.13 | herlo | lol, don't kill my apache :) |
| 18:30.28 | goozbach | ok I'll wait |
| 18:30.30 | Jayce^ | herlo: make sure there are ads on then :) |
| 18:30.40 | herlo | Jayce^: 5x as many |
| 18:32.29 | sjansen | ~slap Jayce^ |
| 18:32.41 | sjansen | The _suspense_ is killing you! The _suspense_! |
| 18:33.03 | sjansen | I gave you such a perfect setup. :-( |
| 18:33.35 | sjansen | herlo: Are you sure you want to make an announcement on April 1st. |
| 18:33.37 | sjansen | ? |
| 18:33.40 | Supaplex | ~sjansen++ |
| 18:33.50 | herlo | sjansen: thus the entertainment |
| 18:34.05 | herlo | much like your 'top posting is okay' email |
| 18:34.12 | Supaplex | was suspicious too :p |
| 18:34.48 | herlo | realizes it was all a big rouse including the original email |
| 18:34.52 | herlo | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:34.52 | ibot | stabs sjansen |
| 18:35.32 | goozbach | keeps refreshing |
| 18:36.21 | herlo | heh |
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| 18:55.20 | brac | flogs Tene with stinging neddle |
| 19:33.32 | sjansen | mecworks: Looks like the SLLUG servers timezone database needs to be updated. |
| 19:33.46 | sjansen | According to the archive I jumped the gun. http://www.sllug.org/pipermail/sllug-members/2009-March/011446.html |
| 19:34.02 | sjansen | You'll notice that time is listed as MST when it should be MDT. |
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| 19:38.29 | findlay_ | hello |
| 19:38.39 | lakshmi-treo | hiii findlay :)) |
| 19:38.48 | lakshmi-treo | sups?! |
| 19:39.03 | findlay_ | infs |
| 19:39.09 | lakshmi-treo | infs? |
| 19:39.26 | findlay_ | if lim sup == lim inf ==> the series converges |
| 19:39.47 | lakshmi-treo | oh boring |
| 19:41.12 | lakshmi-treo | I hate accounting |
| 19:41.27 | findlay_ | you probably hate analysis too |
| 19:41.35 | mecworks | sjansen: thanks, I"ll look into it |
| 19:41.55 | lakshmi-treo | findlay too |
| 19:41.57 | findlay_ | ~sjansen lakshmi-treo |
| 19:42.04 | lakshmi-treo | math analysis especialy |
| 19:42.49 | sjansen | What's up with ibot today? She's so quiet. |
| 19:43.09 | lakshmi-treo | ibot is female now? |
| 19:43.16 | lakshmi-treo | when did that happen |
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| 19:57.17 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:57.17 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 19:57.28 | sjansen | ibot: Come one now, don't be shy. |
| 19:57.31 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:57.31 | ibot | I'm pregnant |
| 19:57.50 | Heartsbane | with sjansen's baby |
| 19:57.52 | lakshmi-treo | uhm uhm |
| 19:58.02 | lakshmi-treo | ah |
| 19:58.06 | sjansen | ibot: Okay, that's a strong hint. But let's be clear. |
| 19:58.07 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:58.07 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 19:58.11 | lakshmi-treo | how far along |
| 19:58.20 | sjansen | ibot: Come on... |
| 19:58.22 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:58.23 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 19:58.33 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:58.34 | ibot | I'm pregnant |
| 19:58.42 | Supaplex | that must be one kinky relationship |
| 19:58.44 | lakshmi-treo | hahaha |
| 19:58.48 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:58.48 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 19:59.01 | lakshmi-treo | lmao |
| 19:59.03 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:59.03 | ibot | I'm gay |
| 19:59.04 | Supaplex | ~sex |
| 19:59.04 | ibot | it has been said that sex is alias sex "updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip |
| 19:59.04 | sinuhe | feels like he's in an Asimov novel (The Gods Themselves) |
| 19:59.16 | lakshmi-treo | this is all sortsa messed up |
| 19:59.22 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:59.22 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 19:59.29 | sjansen | ~literal gender |
| 19:59.30 | ibot | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 20:15.08 | fozzmoo | Wow. Installing a Fedora 10 Xen guest just *works* with CentOS 5.3 (with new virt-install) |
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| 20:20.39 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Oh happy day! |
| 20:20.56 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Indeed. |
| 20:21.44 | lakshmi-treo | hi fozzmoo |
| 20:22.01 | fozzmoo | lakshmi-treo: Hello... you. |
| 20:23.31 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Dax told you it would. |
| 20:23.47 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Dax and I hoped it would be this easy. |
| 20:24.35 | fozzmoo | I wish RHEL/CentOS had pushed PHP 5.2.x for 5.3, but I understand. |
| 20:25.09 | fozzmoo | My client wants to run some project management app that requires some PHP library that only exists in 5.2.x |
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| 20:25.21 | fozzmoo | Thus, my wanting to create a Fedora 10 VM. |
| 20:26.52 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Maybe RH would have considered it if the PHP devs actually knew how to do a backwards compatible release. |
| 20:27.05 | fozzmoo | That's asking a lot of a PHP dev. ;-) |
| 20:27.59 | elg | rsimpkins: happy april fool's |
| 20:28.21 | elg | while you're at it you can tell mailman to stop spamming me everytime someone tries to join the utosc list |
| 20:33.51 | Sargun | fozzmoo, you can install 5.2 in RHEL5 |
| 20:34.10 | fozzmoo | I haven't found a good RPM. |
| 20:37.07 | tensai | rsimpkins: elg also wants to know whenever anybody leaves the list |
| 20:37.31 | Sargun | Anybody here have experience in Dell switches? |
| 20:38.02 | elg | you mean like to turn your dell on and off? |
| 20:42.08 | Sargun | ~lart elg |
| 20:42.08 | ibot | rm -rf's elg |
| 20:42.08 | Sargun | ... |
| 20:42.08 | Sargun | Bot? |
| 20:42.08 | Sargun | Where are you |
| 20:42.09 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 20:42.09 | ibot | ~pong |
| 20:42.23 | Sargun | Wow, what's wrong with iBot. |
| 20:42.34 | lakshmi-treo | ibot jus doesn't like you sargun it's okay... |
| 21:03.17 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 21:03.17 | brac | beats tensai senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 21:03.27 | tensai | I read that manual once |
| 21:04.48 | elg | i bet that knocked you senselses |
| 21:08.27 | rsimpkins | elg: People always leave the list. My hope is to have it trimmed down from 400 to the 8 people who show up to every meeting. :) |
| 21:08.56 | elg | if i get emails about people leaving the list, i'm procmailing them to tensai |
| 21:09.03 | elg | in triplicate |
| 21:11.36 | rsimpkins | This is a serious one... I got an e-mail yesterday asking if the Uintah LUG is still around. Anyone know? |
| 21:11.55 | elg | uintah still exists? |
| 21:12.31 | rsimpkins | They still have a site up, but it looks dead. |
| 21:13.04 | elg | i thought the cows took over eastern utah. |
| 21:13.07 | Jayce^ | yeah, I just recently got one asking if there was a group in Elko NV |
| 21:13.12 | JoshH | uintah has linux users? |
| 21:13.29 | elg | maybe some of the cows use linux |
| 21:13.40 | JoshH | unfortunately my in laws moved from evanston to vernal a while ago, and i despise that drive |
| 21:13.54 | JoshH | and i haven't seen a lot of geeks around those towns |
| 21:14.00 | JoshH | at least not recognizable |
| 21:14.00 | elg | fortunately my parents moved from vernal to lehi last year |
| 21:14.11 | elg | i certainly never did |
| 21:14.32 | JoshH | the waitress at the vernal wingers has a pretty impressive mustache though |
| 21:14.39 | elg | heh |
| 21:14.43 | Jayce^ | *twitch* |
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| 21:17.46 | Guest48127 | is there a LUG in the Uintah Basin (Vernal specifically) |
| 21:19.18 | rsimpkins | Guest48127: Hi there. |
| 21:19.20 | rsimpkins | Guest48127: Is this Mike? |
| 21:19.31 | Guest48127 | yeah |
| 21:19.48 | rsimpkins | Guest48127: Hey. We were just talking about it in here. No one thinks that any LUGs are active in that area. |
| 21:20.25 | Guest48127 | I didn't think that they were active...nobody responds to my emails or anything... |
| 21:20.35 | elg | but you're welcome to hang out here and pretend like we live in vernal |
| 21:20.40 | rsimpkins | Guest48127: If you want to start a new one, I'll link to your site instead. |
| 21:20.59 | rsimpkins | There are quite a few dead LUGs in Utah. |
| 21:21.11 | Guest48127 | How would I go about starting a LUG? |
| 21:21.14 | rsimpkins | Ogden LUG looks dead. |
| 21:21.28 | rsimpkins | Tooele Valley LUG looks mostly dead. |
| 21:21.32 | elg | Guest48127: declare yourself benevolent dictator and call a meeting |
| 21:21.35 | elg | invite a few cows |
| 21:21.36 | elg | bingo |
| 21:21.42 | elg | people work too |
| 21:21.44 | Jayce^ | oalug meets at times, folks from there do stuff with utos |
| 21:22.13 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Ahh, maybe I just have a bad URL then. |
| 21:22.16 | elg | a mailing list and occasional meetings is usually sufficient |
| 21:22.19 | elg | a website is nice |
| 21:22.26 | elg | google groups is one way to get 2 out of 3 |
| 21:22.46 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: not necessarily, heck, how often has plug.org been outdated? :) |
| 21:22.51 | rsimpkins | Guest48127: Are there any technical companies in Vernal that employe Linux talent? |
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| 21:22.59 | Guest48127 | So just say to people "Whoever likes Linux/FOSS come to this meeting?" |
| 21:23.12 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Hey - it's had updates for the last two and half years, I'd call that a pretty good track record! :) |
| 21:23.30 | elg | sjansen: should a fixed-width font have the same total height or the same x height as the proportional font? |
| 21:23.32 | Jayce^ | aint denying that, especially with the history :) |
| 21:23.41 | Guest48127 | rsimpkin: I don't think that there are... |
| 21:24.10 | rsimpkins | Guest48127: It might be really hard to get a LUG started in your area. The Provo LUG has 400 people on the mailing list, and we're lucky to have 20 people at a meeting. |
| 21:24.26 | rsimpkins | of course, they probably don't come because I smell bad. |
| 21:24.34 | rsimpkins | maybe if I showered once and a while. |
| 21:24.46 | elg | Guest48127: but if you do know 3 or 4 people who are interested in getting together, that can work |
| 21:25.05 | elg | of course email knows no bounds and you could just join the PLUG list |
| 21:25.06 | Guest48127 | rsimpkins: lol...I know that there are a few people at my school that would be interested... |
| 21:25.15 | rsimpkins | Guest48127: For small LUGs, you get more mileage with things like meeting at a resturant for dinner, etc. |
| 21:26.07 | rsimpkins | Guest48127: Buy some pizza, get some isos burnt, get some old gear, invite everyone you know to come over and build a LinuxHA cluster or something. :) |
| 21:26.27 | rsimpkins | That might be a fun PLUG event, now that I think of it. |
| 21:26.51 | jsmith | elg: A font of say 12 points should always have the same height, regardless of whether it's proportional or fixed-width |
| 21:26.53 | Guest48127 | rsimpkins: that does sound fun...I'll have to do that |
| 21:27.04 | Guest48127 | rsimpkins: thanks for the ideas |
| 21:27.17 | elg | jsmith: you'd think |
| 21:28.09 | jsmith | elg: Yeah... I would! |
| 21:29.21 | whiteinge | rsimpkins: What URL do you have for OALUG? We're active and meet every month. |
| 21:30.03 | rsimpkins | whiteinge: http://oalug.darkpenguin.com/ |
| 21:30.28 | whiteinge | Huh. Never even seen that before. |
| 21:30.38 | whiteinge | Any idea where you got it? |
| 21:30.38 | elg | jsmith: http://imagebin.org/44008 |
| 21:30.39 | brac | [Imagebin - A place to slap up your images.] |
| 21:30.43 | elg | that's the same nominal point size |
| 21:30.52 | elg | palatino and bitsream vera sans mono |
| 21:31.22 | elg | at 90% size, vera's f is the same height as the d, but the x height is still not the same |
| 21:31.32 | elg | so i wonder if i should shrink it to where the x height is the same |
| 21:31.41 | rsimpkins | whiteinge: It's been the same for years. |
| 21:31.48 | rsimpkins | whiteinge: What is it supposed to be and I'll change it? |
| 21:31.58 | whiteinge | rsimpkins: http://oalug.com/ |
| 21:32.25 | elg | Guest48127: observe google groups in action |
| 21:32.47 | whiteinge | rsimpkins: change it where, ooc? I've been prez for a year, and with the group a year before that and i've never seen the darkpenguin domain before. |
| 21:32.47 | rsimpkins | whiteinge: Thank you sir, all updated. |
| 21:33.04 | rsimpkins | whiteinge: It has been on the PLUG site forever. |
| 21:33.14 | whiteinge | rsimpkins: ah. thanks for the update. |
| 21:33.59 | rsimpkins | Glad to see things are going well in the OALUG. |
| 21:34.26 | whiteinge | yeah, it's a long drive to slc. :) |
| 21:34.48 | whiteinge | although i'll be making the trek down to plug for the home automation presentation. |
| 21:35.01 | rsimpkins | Cool. Be sure to shake my hand. :) |
| 21:35.15 | whiteinge | will do! |
| 21:35.30 | sjansen | OALUG isn't quite dead yet. It held a meeting last night. |
| 21:36.18 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know what's up with the Southern Utah Unix Users Group? Or any other southern LUGs? |
| 21:36.49 | levi | They're far away from me, so they might as well be dead. ;) |
| 21:36.49 | rsimpkins | I know there are quite a few Linux folks down that way. |
| 21:38.04 | rsimpkins | Did anyone go to that virtualization users group? |
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| 21:48.54 | sjansen | What's up with holding a user group meeting in Utah on a Monday night? |
| 21:50.03 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Are you talking about the uvug one? |
| 21:50.19 | rsimpkins | sjansen: The last one was a 'bring your family' event, from what I understand. |
| 21:50.21 | sjansen | yup |
| 21:50.29 | rsimpkins | There were a lot of kids there. |
| 21:50.37 | JoshH | any excuse to get out of FHE |
| 21:51.16 | JoshH | besides, uvu students probably haven't established families yet |
| 21:51.56 | rsimpkins | I was told there were like 200 people at the first uvug meeting, due to familes, free food, and free entertainment. |
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| 21:58.01 | sjansen | JoshH: V == Virtualization, not UVU |
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| 22:05.23 | sinuhe | sjansen: Asking a question like that for a provo group would make sense, or St George, but in Salt Lake? Ogden? I would say that the organizers would probably not be Mormon and may not even recognize that there's a significance around Mondays. |
| 22:06.13 | sinuhe | Mormons schedule meetings on major Christian feasts all the time and there is a major Catholic community in Utah. |
| 22:07.00 | sjansen | Growing up in ND I wasn't Catholic but I still knew which day school events couldn't be held because of Catechism (or whatever it was called). |
| 22:15.55 | unum | the salt lake county democratic party organized a meeting on monday. the chair now knows better |
| 22:17.46 | maquis | unum: ? |
| 22:18.40 | maquis | unum: oh.. monday night |
| 22:18.53 | maquis | reads back and catches the discussion |
| 22:19.32 | maquis | sjansen: you grew up in North Dakota? |
| 22:19.41 | maquis | i didn't know there were actually people there... |
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| 22:20.00 | unum | now I think there are just fish.... |
| 22:31.50 | rsimpkins | The governor of North Dakota is married to someone named Mikey, according to the official state web site. Sounds like a pretty progressive state. He also has a kickbutt mustache. |
| 22:32.13 | rsimpkins | Kinda looks like Alex Trebek |
| 22:34.56 | rsimpkins | Wow they have some hard to pronounce names in ND. Sprynczynatyk, Prchal, Dalrymple, Kulas, Woroniecki |
| 22:38.29 | sjansen | http://governor.nd.gov/first/ |
| 22:38.31 | brac | [Biography of First Lady Mikey L. Hoeven, North Dakota] |
| 22:39.47 | sjansen | Note the "skyscraper" in the top left corner? That's the state capitol. Pretty much the tallest building in the state, excluding grain elevators. |
| 22:41.36 | sjansen | s/left/right/ |
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| 23:14.01 | Keighvin | Does ibot ping maquis every time I come in? |
| 23:15.06 | Sargun_Screen | try to /cycle |
| 23:15.17 | Tene | ibot: onjoin -keighvin |
| 23:15.17 | ibot | ok, Tene |
| 23:15.20 | Sargun_Screen | and see if it pings maquis |
| 23:15.23 | Tene | ibot: onjoin -tene |
| 23:15.23 | ibot | ok, Tene |
| 23:15.56 | Sargun_Screen | -chat about nukes |
| 23:15.56 | brac | nukes was |
| 23:16.05 | jsmith | -chat about the big |
| 23:16.05 | Sargun_Screen | -chat about maquis |
| 23:16.05 | brac | the big thing on the lan adaptor or can you get a cat |
| 23:16.05 | brac | maquis did |
| 23:16.14 | Sargun_Screen | -chat about maquis did |
| 23:16.14 | brac | maquis did |
| 23:16.15 | jsmith | -chat maquis is |
| 23:16.15 | brac | maquis is glad that there are a bonus |
| 23:16.21 | Sargun_Screen | -chat about maquis has |
| 23:16.21 | brac | maquis has never heard of it. It's a fairly middle pitch I guess. |
| 23:16.46 | Sargun_Screen | how do you make brac print out url titles again? |
| 23:17.16 | jsmith | -urls |
| 23:17.17 | brac | no urls seen yet for channel #utah |
| 23:17.22 | jsmith | blinks |
| 23:17.29 | Sargun_Screen | httpÂ:/google.com |
| 23:17.51 | Sargun_Screen | stupid bot. |
| 23:18.53 | jsmith | -summon elg |
| 23:20.06 | Sargun_Screen | ELG |
| 23:37.05 | elg | huh? |
| 23:38.15 | jsmith | elg: brac doesn't remember and report URLs any more? |
| 23:38.49 | elg | apparently not |
| 23:39.55 | elg | github.com/fugalh/brac |
| 23:49.36 | Sargun_Screen | Why not? |
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