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| 02:32.28 | coldblue012 | Quiet channel... |
| 02:43.16 | levi | Yup. |
| 02:43.57 | elg | just set up a time lapse video of sourdough start |
| 02:44.09 | elg | the lighting is pretty abysmal though. serviceable but ugly |
| 02:44.16 | levi | Interesting. |
| 02:44.28 | coldblue012 | Sourdough? |
| 02:44.45 | elg | i thought using my camcorder would give me better resolution or optics or something, but apparently the lighting is so low that it just sucks no matter what |
| 02:44.51 | elg | at least using the camcorder I can keep using my laptop |
| 02:44.52 | elg | :) |
| 02:44.56 | elg | coldblue012: yeah |
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| 02:45.27 | coldblue012 | Om nom nom nom |
| 02:51.00 | elg | kind of like this video |
| 02:51.01 | elg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKOOd8z__28 |
| 02:51.09 | elg | but i have a thermometer |
| 02:51.31 | elg | alas my lighting (and clock) aren't nearly as cool, and my temperature won't be a nice constant |
| 02:51.57 | coldblue012 | Just curious, what's the purpose of this? |
| 02:52.57 | elg | to watch the start do its thing and determine when it's most active |
| 02:53.11 | elg | and to play with time lapse :) |
| 02:53.19 | coldblue012 | Ahh |
| 02:53.21 | coldblue012 | Interesting. |
| 02:53.55 | elg | sourdough culture goes through several stages. http://samartha.net/SD/SourdoughDefinition.html#SEC10 |
| 02:53.57 | brac | [Sourdough definition] |
| 02:54.43 | elg | but contrary to common conclusion jumping, the peak of the organisms isn't when the start rises to its peak (necessarily) |
| 02:54.52 | elg | let me rephrase. isn't necessarily ... |
| 02:55.04 | elg | that's just when you have an equilibrium |
| 02:56.16 | elg | the microorganisms grow at a specific rate at a given temperature, more or less |
| 02:56.26 | elg | (there are other factors too) |
| 03:02.59 | coldblue012 | So are most people in here from PLUG and/or the Provo area? |
| 03:04.13 | levi | Many are, I'm not sure if most is accurate. |
| 03:04.38 | coldblue012 | I'm trying to find information on the area. |
| 03:04.54 | coldblue012 | I'm interviewing for a job out there. |
| 03:05.07 | levi | What about it? |
| 03:05.43 | coldblue012 | Good question. |
| 03:05.47 | coldblue012 | You from there? |
| 03:06.03 | levi | Not from Provo, but I've lived there before. |
| 03:07.56 | coldblue012 | Is there a lot of tech out there? |
| 03:09.17 | levi | As compared to where? There are definitely a few tech companies in the area, though. |
| 03:10.08 | coldblue012 | I guess as compared to everywhere, except like silicon valley.. |
| 03:10.26 | coldblue012 | I've never been to Utah so I don't have much idea about the area at all |
| 03:10.33 | coldblue012 | other than what I've read recently online |
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| 03:18.17 | levi | I'd say it's got a fair number of tech companies. |
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| 04:04.14 | high_roller | their Utah tech companies |
| 04:04.21 | high_roller | s/their/they're |
| 04:04.33 | elg | s/they're/there're/ |
| 04:04.48 | high_roller | seems to me they are run a little bit differently that other tech companies I've worked for |
| 04:04.52 | high_roller | lots of Novell influence |
| 04:08.03 | coldblue012 | people still use novell? |
| 04:08.04 | coldblue012 | heh |
| 04:08.39 | high_roller | well that's the problem, nobody does, and their Linux business isn't going very well |
| 04:09.00 | coldblue012 | Yeah, they've got SuSE |
| 04:09.20 | coldblue012 | but in my opinion, Redhat and the RH open source variants are much more dominant. |
| 04:10.19 | high_roller | there also seems to be quite a bit of web devel (in php and java) around the provo orem area too |
| 04:10.54 | coldblue012 | I'm actually interviewing in Orem on Monday |
| 04:11.03 | coldblue012 | It'll be my first time to Utah |
| 04:11.09 | high_roller | where are you coming from |
| 04:11.12 | coldblue012 | Michigan |
| 04:12.02 | high_roller | one other thing about Provo/Orem is the pay seems lower |
| 04:12.30 | coldblue012 | Lower compared to what? |
| 04:13.26 | high_roller | most everywhere else |
| 04:13.34 | high_roller | maybe they have fixed it |
| 04:13.39 | coldblue012 | You should check things out in Michigan |
| 04:13.43 | coldblue012 | our economy is garbage |
| 04:13.56 | Supaplex | garbage is big business. |
| 04:14.02 | coldblue012 | Sometimes. |
| 04:14.51 | coldblue012 | Our whole economy here is based on the big 3 american auto makers, and 2 of them are teetering on bankruptcy. |
| 04:14.52 | high_roller | I've seen the pictures of detriot |
| 04:15.09 | coldblue012 | There are some seriously bad parts of Detroit. |
| 04:15.12 | coldblue012 | I try not to go there. |
| 04:15.46 | coldblue012 | It's sad really because it used to be a really nice place, long ago. |
| 04:16.00 | coldblue012 | They've really cleaned up some parts of it and made it quite nice |
| 04:16.18 | coldblue012 | but you go a couple blocks away from the nice area |
| 04:16.27 | high_roller | the building I've seen that are abandoned look really cool, like they would have been really nice before they were abondoned |
| 04:16.28 | coldblue012 | and you smack in a really bad area |
| 04:16.58 | coldblue012 | Yeah, it's crazy some of the buildings that are abandoned. Huge building that must have cost loads to build. |
| 04:17.09 | coldblue012 | You'd think someone would do something with them as opposed to let them go to waste. |
| 04:20.10 | high_roller | it would probably cost way too much money |
| 04:20.26 | high_roller | and not provide a good enough return |
| 04:21.26 | coldblue012 | Yeah, I know it. |
| 04:23.08 | high_roller | I'm working on our house, its about 100 yrs old and its a lot of work |
| 04:24.27 | coldblue012 | yeah, mine is 50+ years old and it's a big enough pain to fix up sometimes. |
| 04:24.47 | coldblue012 | Did you have to replace all of the wiring and whatnot in something 100+ yrs old? |
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| 05:15.16 | Sargun | coldblue012, cold blue reason? |
| 05:17.51 | coldblue012 | The reason for the name? |
| 05:18.32 | Heartsbane | what name? |
| 05:19.13 | coldblue012 | <-- |
| 05:19.33 | Heartsbane | guess I got here late |
| 05:19.39 | Heartsbane | forget I asked |
| 05:20.09 | coldblue012 | no prob |
| 05:21.19 | Sargun | coldblue012, yes |
| 05:23.44 | coldblue012 | I like the color blue, and coldplay. |
| 05:23.53 | coldblue012 | ...and that's pretty much it. |
| 05:25.52 | Supaplex | and ::1 |
| 05:27.16 | coldblue012 | 127.0.0.1? |
| 05:27.23 | coldblue012 | I'm not much for IPv6. |
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| 06:03.09 | Sargun | has IPv6 |
| 06:03.32 | Sargun | THIS ISN'T YOUR FATHER'S IP! |
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| 06:24.51 | tensai | Sargun: that's good. duplicate IPs aren't good for anybody. |
| 06:25.40 | Sargun | duplicate IP Addresses. |
| 06:25.52 | Sargun | but it doesn't matter if they're in separate networks |
| 06:25.56 | Sargun | and RFC1918 iPs |
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| 06:39.27 | tensai | I stand by my claim duplicate IPs aren't good for anybody. especially not RFC1918. |
| 06:39.34 | tensai | NAT is evil |
| 06:42.21 | fozzmoo | yeah. If NAT never became popular, we would have had global IPv6 deployment 10-12 years ago. |
| 06:45.48 | Sargun | fozzmoo, no |
| 06:46.22 | tarrant | NAT makes life difficult :(. Xboxes always act up (have difficulty connecting) if we get more than 1 on the same network. |
| 06:48.43 | Sargun | So, how long do you think until IPv6 hits the mainstream |
| 06:52.22 | tarrant | Sargun: 3-5 years. It seems as if Geeks are starting to deploy it in their homes. Websites are starting to move. ISP's seem to be just ready. |
| 06:52.46 | Sargun | It took geeks a decade to figure it out |
| 06:53.00 | Sargun | I think 7-10 years |
| 06:53.12 | Sargun | I think in the next 3-5 years we'll see dual stack |
| 06:53.17 | tarrant | Some countries will be faster (most of africa) but the US will be slow. Mac's are setup correctly by default so that helps. Windows though its going to take Microsoft to set it by default in one of the windows versions. |
| 06:59.02 | tensai | I have to agree with Sargun. scary, I know. I really don't think ISPs are nearly as ready for ipv6 as people wishfuly think they are. |
| 07:00.12 | Sargun | my ISP's infrastructure is no where near IPv6 compatible |
| 07:00.50 | Sargun | the DSLAM manufacturer (RedBack) has told them straight that they will not support IPv6 without buying new hardware (they actually have reasons for this) |
| 07:02.41 | tensai | that sort of situation is quite pervasive, I'm afraid |
| 07:03.02 | Sargun | tensai, Comcast is moving to v6 though |
| 07:03.17 | Sargun | they need like a /8 though (IPv6 /8) |
| 07:04.27 | tensai | I seem to recall a japanese isp got a /8 not too long ago |
| 07:04.52 | Sargun | ARIN is a bit more difficul |
| 07:04.52 | Sargun | t |
| 07:05.01 | Sargun | they also have to roll out DOCSIS3.0 |
| 07:12.23 | Sargun | I have a feeling that a lot of people will tunnel to the cPE |
| 07:12.24 | Sargun | CPE |
| 07:12.39 | Sargun | additionally, CPEs suck so bad, they wont support v6 |
| 07:12.41 | Sargun | soon |
| 07:25.26 | tensai | which is why I'm glad most of mine are l2 bridges |
| 07:26.15 | Sargun | tensai, a lot of layer 2 bridges still wont handle v6 |
| 07:33.30 | Sargun | Supaplex, yo, you here |
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| 15:03.51 | Jayce^ | wow, I just got spam from jsmith |
| 15:05.17 | jsmith | Jayce^: You did? |
| 15:05.22 | jsmith | blinks |
| 15:05.33 | Jayce^ | your training class advertisement :) |
| 15:05.56 | Jayce^ | (I know it went to the email from when I signed up for astricon).. |
| 15:06.35 | jsmith | Jayce^: Oh, that... it's not spam, it's inefficient 1990's marketeering at it's best |
| 15:06.42 | jsmith | sighs |
| 15:06.51 | Jayce^ | :-D |
| 15:07.58 | elg | wonders if there's a $10 webcam to be had that works in linux |
| 15:08.05 | elg | doesn't have to be special |
| 15:08.16 | elg | if it takes a picture, it wins the prize |
| 15:08.40 | elg | there's numerous $10 (free shipping) webcams on ebay, but i've never played with webcams in linux |
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| 15:15.45 | jsmith | elg: Many of the cheap ones are supported, but there are some that aren't. |
| 15:16.16 | RyanE | v4l supports many chipsets. |
| 15:16.36 | RyanE | elg: you could probably post a request on PLUG, and someone will have one that they don't care about and know works with Linux. |
| 15:16.51 | RyanE | and/or could tell you model #'s, which you could buy for $10. |
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| 15:28.22 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Whiter and nerdier than Weird Al. |
| 15:30.38 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Whiter and nerdier than Weird Al since 2002. |
| 15:31.16 | mecworks | Tene_: thanks for the awesome presentation last night! |
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| 15:42.34 | Tene_ | mecworks: I'm glad you enjoyed it. |
| 15:43.02 | Jayce^ | Tene_: hopefully you are bringing more to the fold |
| 15:43.16 | Tene_ | I hope so. |
| 15:43.41 | mecworks | Yeah, it was pretty cool. |
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| 15:57.50 | harleypig | http://www.fmylife.com/sex/448904 |
| 15:58.21 | RyanE | hmmm.... to click on a link provided by harleypig that has 'sex' in the URL... hmmm.... |
| 15:58.36 | harleypig | it's sfw :) |
| 15:58.49 | RyanE | yeah, your reputation precedes you... :) |
| 15:58.54 | harleypig | heh |
| 15:59.34 | harleypig | makes a note to filter links through tinyurl from now on |
| 16:00.04 | RyanE | Yeah, *that'll* decrease my suspicion... :) |
| 16:00.12 | Tene_ | harleypig: lol |
| 16:04.41 | harleypig | i wanna know where these women are who'll pick up guys like that. |
| 16:06.14 | goozbach | outside of clubs aparently |
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| 16:45.16 | eightyeight | so, i can't find a shell where $() doesn't exist. i thought it wasn't in the originaly bourne shell, but it is |
| 16:46.09 | JoshH | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0318091dog1.html |
| 16:46.11 | brac | [Porn Sting Goes To The Dogs - March 18, 2009] |
| 16:46.24 | eightyeight | looking for any docs, i see that it's a posix issue, and /usr/old/bin/sh is the non-posix, where /usr/bin/sh is posix |
| 16:48.56 | harleypig | http://motivatedphotos.com/?id=8372 |
| 16:50.07 | Jayce^ | when did you start wearing pink? |
| 16:52.48 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:55.03 | Supaplex | all these years harleypig was trying to be subtle, but you never noticed. ;) |
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| 17:20.35 | harleypig | harleypig && subtle == 0 |
| 17:31.58 | sjansen | harleypig && (subtle == 0) |
| 17:32.10 | sjansen | (harleypig && subtle) == 0 |
| 17:49.35 | unum | http://bash.org/?1639 <- follow up to yesterday's conversation |
| 17:49.36 | brac | [QDB: Quote #1639] |
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| 17:53.06 | harleypig | sjansen: either condition is true |
| 18:10.51 | elg | 2002 - is that when weird al got a tan? |
| 18:12.33 | tensai | o/~ stick your head in a microwave and give yourself a tan. dare to be stupid, dare to be stupid. ~/o |
| 18:13.06 | sjansen | 2002 is when ibot's logs start |
| 18:47.22 | goozbach | ibot: neybar |
| 18:47.23 | ibot | [neybar] "sometimes stupidity just plain old wins" |
| 18:47.34 | goozbach | wow, that's from back in 2003 |
| 18:47.41 | goozbach | ibot: factinfo neybar |
| 18:47.41 | ibot | neybar -- created by Jayce^ <~jayce@h-68-164-150-47.LSANCA54.covad.net> at Thu Jun 5 21:53:52 2003 (2113 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by goozbach, 18s ago. |
| 18:54.35 | sjansen | ibot: goozbach |
| 18:54.36 | ibot | i guess goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 18:54.47 | sjansen | ha! |
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| 18:56.17 | goozbach | it is still mostly true |
| 18:56.24 | goozbach | about the retarted part |
| 18:56.34 | goozbach | I'm not doing too bad on the losing hair part |
| 18:58.54 | sjansen | ~factinfo goozbach |
| 18:58.54 | ibot | goozbach -- last modified at Mon May 9 22:30:39 2005 by goozbach!~goozbach@207.108.175.219; it has been requested 3 times, last by sjansen, 4m 18s ago; it has been locked by goozbach. |
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| 19:00.43 | sjansen | So, goozbach, what does "retarted" mean? Is if fun? Do you have a preferred flavor of tart? |
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| 19:00.45 | brac | resizes Tene's terminal to 40x24 |
| 19:08.14 | goozbach | sjansen: retarted is when you are so retarded you can't spell retarded correctly |
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| 19:31.27 | goozbach | I had a sargun like day back in 2003: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/20030731.html.gz |
| 19:31.40 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.56 | harleypig | ibot: factinfo harleypig |
| 19:53.56 | ibot | harleypig -- last modified at Wed Oct 18 22:55:18 2006 by Keighvin!n=ptomlins@pollux.northsky.com; it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. |
| 19:54.13 | harleypig | ~factinfo harleypig |
| 19:54.13 | ibot | harleypig -- last modified at Wed Oct 18 22:55:18 2006 by Keighvin!n=ptomlins@pollux.northsky.com; it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. |
| 19:54.24 | Sargun | ~factinfo ibot |
| 19:54.24 | ibot | ibot -- created by acemtp <n=Miranda@log78-1-82-242-47-3.fbx.proxad.net> at Thu Mar 12 10:37:04 2009 (7 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by kjkoster5489 at Thu Mar 12 07:39:06 2009. |
| 20:04.47 | sjansen | ~hug git |
| 20:04.48 | ibot | ACTION hugs git |
| 20:05.04 | Sargun | ~beat git |
| 20:05.05 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats git over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 20:05.05 | Sargun | ~kill git |
| 20:05.06 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited photon gun at git |
| 20:05.07 | Sargun | ~zap git |
| 20:05.08 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives git a good jolt. |
| 20:05.10 | Sargun | ~murder git |
| 20:05.11 | ibot | ACTION shoots git in his sleep |
| 20:05.19 | sjansen | ~ignore Sargun |
| 20:05.20 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Sargun!" |
| 20:05.30 | Sargun | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:05.30 | ibot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at sjansen |
| 20:05.35 | eggyknap | ~rescue git from Sargun |
| 20:05.36 | ibot | ACTION leaps into certain danger to rescue git from Sargun and return git from Sargun to safety! |
| 20:05.46 | sjansen | Sargun: I'm sorry that git threatens your manhood. |
| 20:06.46 | Sargun | hehe |
| 20:07.31 | fozzmoo | What manhood? |
| 20:07.37 | fozzmoo | He's only like 14. |
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| 20:18.39 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Spoken like a true geezer. |
| 20:25.40 | unum | so for those of you I haven't already pestered with this. I'm running strace on an apache process and it hangs after showing poll( wwhere do I go from here |
| 20:26.47 | Sargun | unum, what are you trying to do |
| 20:27.09 | unum | Sargun: it's just a php script |
| 20:27.20 | unum | that started hanging on my last week |
| 20:27.45 | unum | s/my/me |
| 20:28.05 | Sargun | how do you know it's hanging on you |
| 20:28.17 | Sargun | can't you just pluck it off? |
| 20:28.44 | Tene | unum: is it forking? |
| 20:28.49 | sjansen | unum: Stopping at poll() is normal. It's waiting for input. |
| 20:29.06 | unum | sjansen: but it shouldn't be |
| 20:29.13 | unum | Tene: maybe |
| 20:29.35 | unum | i'll follow the fork |
| 20:30.13 | sjansen | Why do you say it shouldn't? Tracing Apache is difficult because it forks so many copies, most of which will continue to wait for input when you try to reproduce the problem. |
| 20:30.35 | Sargun | unum, can't you run it using php-cli, and see if that makes it hang too? |
| 20:31.43 | unum | sjansen: ya I guess I need to follow the fork |
| 20:32.45 | unum | Sargun: if I push stop on my web browser and then hit reload it works |
| 20:32.56 | unum | so sometimes it works sometimes it hangs |
| 20:36.01 | Sargun | unum, but it doesn't ever happen in php-cli? |
| 20:37.34 | unum | Sargun: I haven't tested it because it uses a lot of session variables, etc, but I guess I could alter |
| 20:37.38 | unum | it |
| 20:37.42 | unum | but then I've alter it |
| 20:37.48 | Sargun | did you write the script |
| 20:37.52 | unum | yes |
| 20:38.54 | elg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5l1tvNRNas |
| 20:40.31 | goozbach | so I have been going through the #utah logs |
| 20:40.42 | goozbach | I was offline for almost a year |
| 20:40.56 | elg | welcome bac |
| 20:44.46 | goozbach | it kinda makes me wonder what I was doing |
| 20:44.54 | goozbach | I *ALWAYS* remember being on #utah |
| 20:45.38 | jsmith | goozbach: Yeah... there was a good little bit where you were AWOL |
| 20:45.39 | Jayce^ | remembers #utah being on the ufies server before here.. |
| 20:45.51 | jsmith | Jayce^: Gee... you're old! |
| 20:45.59 | Jayce^ | then TimRiker invited me to bring it over here and merge with his :) |
| 20:46.01 | elg | goozbach: are you sure ibot wasn't just ignoring you? |
| 20:46.15 | elg | was it just guru labs traveling keeping you busy? |
| 20:46.24 | Tene | btw, SLLUG asked me WAY more questions during my presentation than PLUG did. |
| 20:46.32 | elg | i didn't realize my nick was as old as at least 2003. wow |
| 20:46.35 | Tene | They were MUCH more interactive. |
| 20:47.02 | goozbach | elg: this was almost six months prior to GL |
| 20:47.09 | goozbach | it's interesting |
| 20:49.03 | goozbach | I've yet to find when I got back online at GL |
| 20:51.20 | Sargun | Tene, so you like SLLUG more than plug? |
| 20:51.32 | Sargun | you think PLUG fell asleep |
| 20:51.46 | Sargun | Tene, did you give the SLLUG presentation after the PLUG one? |
| 20:51.52 | Sargun | Have you given this presentation before? |
| 20:51.55 | Tene | Sargun: yes, SLLUG was the week after PLUG |
| 20:52.01 | Tene | I've given it twice. |
| 20:52.22 | goozbach | sjansen: when did you start at GL? |
| 20:52.42 | unum | no problems from the cli |
| 20:52.57 | sjansen | Sep. 2004 |
| 20:53.06 | unum | when I strace apache it will be epolling until I make my request and then it does some stuff and then polls |
| 20:53.15 | unum | if I hit stop on my browser it stops polling |
| 20:55.26 | sjansen | unum: I think that's a problem with the kernel. I vaguely remember something about ever process being woken up but only one being given data. |
| 20:55.54 | Sargun | Tene, you might have been better at SLLUG |
| 20:56.23 | Tene | Sargun: Maybe! |
| 20:56.36 | Sargun | actually, probably. |
| 20:56.52 | elg | everyone might have been looking at sjansen at PLUG |
| 20:57.06 | elg | couldn't pay attentino to Tene if they had tried. |
| 20:57.14 | elg | ~mesmerize sjansen |
| 20:57.26 | Tene | elg: sjansen was sitting quietly at the back of the room playing with KVM |
| 20:57.56 | sjansen | Sargun: Have you been to Plug and SLLUG? |
| 20:57.58 | elg | that's what it looked like to you. you weren't one of the mesmerizeees |
| 20:58.10 | Sargun | sjansen, I've never been within Utah |
| 20:58.19 | elg | but your electrons have |
| 20:58.26 | Sargun | probably. |
| 20:58.42 | sjansen | So what makes you qualified to say "actually, probably"? |
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| 20:59.27 | Sargun | sjansen, because, PLUG = Beta |
| 20:59.29 | Sargun | :-P |
| 20:59.39 | sjansen | In my experience, SLLUG is manic. Plug is more consistently alive for meetings, but when SLLUG gets excited about something they ask alot more questions. |
| 20:59.59 | Sargun | what is the primary demographic of SLLUG? college students? |
| 21:00.17 | elg | linux users north of PLUG |
| 21:00.21 | elg | but not too far north |
| 21:00.23 | sjansen | I don't think UofU students even know SLLUG exists. |
| 21:00.43 | sjansen | SLLUG is mostly professors and professionals. |
| 21:01.29 | Sargun | ah, interesting |
| 21:01.34 | Sargun | professors, those crazies :-P |
| 21:02.15 | Tene | I had several people at both presentations say "That reminded me of my compilers class, but a lot more fun." |
| 21:02.46 | Jayce^ | it's true.. would have been much more fun/easy/etc with parrot and PIR |
| 21:03.45 | jsmith | Isn't that the truth... |
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| 21:45.30 | sjansen | ~punch automake |
| 21:45.30 | ibot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches automake right on the nose |
| 21:45.50 | sinuhe | sjansen: first autoconf, now automake. |
| 21:46.06 | sjansen | ~threaten sinuhe |
| 21:46.24 | sinuhe | suggests we all switch to smake to make life easier for sjansen. |
| 21:46.51 | sjansen | cmake |
| 21:47.04 | sinuhe | I don't think I've heard of cmake. |
| 21:47.57 | jsmith | sinuhe: Never heard of cmake? |
| 21:49.11 | tensai | isn't it a rite of passage to write your own make replacement? |
| 21:50.02 | jsmith | tensai: hand-rolled in assembly, of course! |
| 21:50.22 | Sargun | anyone here have comcast that doesn't mind doing a quick traceroute for me? |
| 21:51.11 | sjansen | sinuhe: It was created in this century. You wouldn't be interested. :-P |
| 21:59.37 | Sargun | whoa, this decade is almost over |
| 21:59.44 | Sargun | This will be my first decade. |
| 21:59.50 | Sargun | complete decade that is |
| 22:01.11 | Jayce^ | man, that's almost worth a kick |
| 22:01.54 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yeah... if you're not old enough to get your learner's permit, you can't hang out in here... works for me! |
| 22:02.48 | goozbach | complete decade |
| 22:02.50 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:03.13 | goozbach | you've been alive longer than 10 year IIRC |
| 22:03.29 | tensai | goozbach: he was born in the 90s, so he wasn't around for that complete decade |
| 22:03.30 | unum | but he wasn't born before 1990 |
| 22:03.43 | unum | so he can't say he lived through the 90's |
| 22:03.51 | unum | since he didn't live through all of them |
| 22:04.46 | unum | what if you weren't alive when linus made his first post to comp.os.minix |
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| 22:08.15 | Sargun | goozbach, I was born in '91 |
| 22:08.18 | Sargun | complete decade. |
| 22:08.40 | Sargun | unum, Linux is a few months younger than I |
| 22:20.39 | jshipley | Linux came out pretty close to the time I got my first computer, with windows 3.1 |
| 22:21.29 | jshipley | I'm still not convinced that turbo button did anything besides light up the led |
| 22:25.49 | tarrant | jshipley: some games required the processor to work at very exact speeds. |
| 22:26.13 | tarrant | jshipley: This meant that for those games to work on faster processors you had to add a emulation mode to slow the processor back to that speed. |
| 22:27.01 | tarrant | jshipley: apologies if you already knew. |
| 22:27.19 | jshipley | There was a game I used to play... Kingdom of Kroz. It was all ascii-art, but it was challenging and a lot of fun. |
| 22:27.48 | jshipley | I tried to play it again a year or so ago, but it was unplayable on a modern processor. Even using an emulator to try to slow it down wasn't very good. |
| 22:29.01 | tarrant | did the emulator have an ability to set the clock speed? |
| 22:29.38 | jshipley | yeah, that's what it was designed to do. I don't remember which one it was, but it might have been dosbox. |
| 22:30.09 | jshipley | It slowed it down, but it also made the keyboard input lag. It was a lot better, but it still wasn't really playable. |
| 22:30.15 | tarrant | ahh |
| 22:30.51 | jshipley | Compared to seeing everything whiz across the screen and kill me before I'm even done pressing the key to start the level... |
| 22:31.44 | jshipley | I think my best hope of playing that game would be to find a remake. |
| 22:34.49 | tensai | complains about his internet some more |
| 22:34.53 | tensai | icmp_seq=184 ttl=47 time=16989 ms |
| 22:53.19 | unum | 64 bytes from xmission.xmission.com (166.70.238.3): icmp_seq=2 ttl=61 time=2.51 ms |
| 22:53.30 | unum | brags about his internet somemore |
| 22:54.45 | JoshH | 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.022 ms |
| 22:54.51 | JoshH | beat that |
| 22:57.08 | unum | icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.014 ms |
| 22:58.43 | JoshH | impressive |
| 23:15.04 | Sargun | WHOA, LOW LATENCY. AWESOME, |
| 23:15.44 | Sargun | --- 2001:5a8:4:2cb0:beef::1 ping statistics --- |
| 23:15.44 | Sargun | 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms |
| 23:15.44 | Sargun | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.856/0.862/0.868/0.006 ms |
| 23:15.46 | Sargun | beat that |
| 23:19.14 | sjansen | tensai: If only you knew someone at an ISP, perhaps you could do something about that. |
| 23:20.10 | Sargun | has been having fun "trouble shooting" an issue with PNAP over the past week |
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