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| 01:11.10 | elg | hi tuple |
| 01:22.53 | elg | foo |
| 01:24.23 | Sargun | hi elg |
| 01:24.24 | Sargun | bar |
| 01:24.42 | tuple | baz |
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| 02:24.15 | levi | Good evening. |
| 02:31.50 | Sargun | good afternoon |
| 02:46.54 | levi | listens to "Bad Bank" at This American Life. |
| 03:26.42 | Sargun | levi, good episode |
| 03:27.08 | Sargun | Did you listen to plan b? |
| 03:27.43 | levi | What's plan b? |
| 03:28.15 | Sargun | http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1284 |
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| 03:29.24 | levi | I don't listen to This American Life very often. |
| 03:29.39 | Sargun | :-( |
| 03:29.57 | levi | I've only got a few hours in the week to listen to podcasts, and the schedule is currently full. |
| 03:30.39 | Sargun | you don't commute? |
| 03:42.49 | levi | I do, and that's when I listen to podcasts. |
| 03:44.59 | Sargun | ah |
| 03:45.25 | Sargun | I assume while at work, your brain is being utilized to the point where you can't absorb a podcast |
| 03:46.41 | levi | Indeed. |
| 03:50.35 | Sargun | do you work out |
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| 04:37.09 | RyanE | Sargun: Plan B was indeed a good episode. Listened in the truck coming home from work Friday. |
| 04:49.37 | Supaplex | *AHCHOO* *AHCHOO* |
| 05:02.10 | levi | Sargun: Not regularly right now, unfortunately. |
| 05:03.21 | Sargun | levi, too bad |
| 05:31.19 | levi | Ha ha, 'center-right' pundits threatening to 'go Galt'. |
| 05:32.25 | levi | I wish all pundits would do that. The world would keep on moving, probably a lot more smoothly, and they'd all have to sit there and have their monumental egos deflated as they watch their irrelevance in action. |
| 05:40.04 | fozzmoo | People are idiots. |
| 05:40.33 | fozzmoo | Although, the "go Galt" movement has its merits. |
| 05:41.25 | levi | Yes, it really does. I would like to see more Objectivists disappear from public. |
| 05:43.08 | levi | They can all go to some fertile valley somewhere with no internet or phone lines and till the soil. |
| 06:07.40 | levi | http://www.angryflower.com/atlass.gif |
| 06:17.43 | levi | Wow, Chuck Norris wants to be President of the Lone Star State. |
| 06:22.14 | levi | And Utahns self-report happiness rates that are the highest in the Union. |
| 06:22.44 | Sargun | levi, how is your niece doing? |
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| 16:55.12 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:55.13 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking sjansen's head off |
| 16:55.20 | sjansen | Hey! |
| 16:55.38 | Sargun | ~rlart |
| 16:55.39 | ibot | --purges findlay |
| 16:55.44 | sjansen | protests loudly as his head rolls into the gutter |
| 17:10.29 | sjansen | http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/09/1730251 |
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| 17:21.57 | goozbach | sjansen: I want that three minutes back |
| 17:22.03 | goozbach | where do I go for my refund? |
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| 17:31.02 | jshipley | goozbach: go here for a refund: http://tinyurl.com/c8rd86 |
| 17:31.34 | brac | [WasteOfTime.com : Killing Time With Style] |
| 17:38.16 | findlay | yay, I got an rlart |
| 17:38.20 | findlay | first time ever |
| 17:38.56 | findlay | -chat sjansen |
| 17:38.57 | brac | sjansen is annoyed by everyone |
| 17:39.26 | elg | -chat i have |
| 17:39.27 | brac | i have no use for Linux that doesn't involve a new box.. along side the head with a large turning radius |
| 17:39.31 | elg | -chat to go |
| 17:39.31 | brac | to go home. |
| 17:39.33 | findlay | ~say -chat ~lart Sargun |
| 17:39.34 | ibot | -chat ~lart Sargun |
| 17:39.34 | brac | ~lart Sargun |
| 17:39.34 | ibot | whips Sargun with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 17:39.58 | findlay | ~say -chat ~lart me |
| 17:39.59 | ibot | -chat ~lart me |
| 17:40.00 | brac | ~lart me for dwight too |
| 17:40.00 | ibot | explains, ever so gently, that if brac doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help for dwight too |
| 17:40.28 | elg | -chat ~lart |
| 17:40.28 | brac | ~lart did |
| 17:40.28 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into did's ear |
| 17:40.33 | elg | -chat ~lart findlay |
| 17:40.33 | brac | ~lart findlay |
| 17:40.33 | ibot | eats findlay and falls over dead |
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| 18:11.29 | sjansen | -chat elg claims |
| 18:11.32 | brac | elg claims |
| 18:13.19 | elg | elg claims lordship over the channel |
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| 18:51.51 | maquis | -chat maquis claims |
| 18:51.53 | brac | maquis claims |
| 18:52.00 | maquis | -chat maquis is |
| 18:52.02 | brac | maquis is glad for the help. I don't understand then. the not null restraint |
| 18:52.08 | maquis | -chat sjansen is |
| 18:52.09 | brac | sjansen is most equitably. In a free-market paradise, or things like Ubuntu, or Mint. |
| 18:52.34 | maquis | free-market paradise, ubuntu, mint... |
| 18:52.36 | maquis | all the same thing |
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| 19:18.08 | unum | I'm upgrading to phpbb3 on debian |
| 19:18.31 | unum | I'm using postgres and seem to have everything working until I login in as admin |
| 19:18.48 | unum | it's supposed to give me an option to use the control panel but it doesn't |
| 19:19.07 | JoshH | i converted 2 to 3 with no issues, with mysql, but i wasn't using the debian package |
| 19:19.35 | unum | it's not a conversion issue becuase I started fresh |
| 19:19.41 | JoshH | you mean you don't see the admin control panel link at the bottom? |
| 19:19.45 | unum | ya |
| 19:19.49 | JoshH | weird |
| 19:20.07 | unum | ya |
| 19:20.19 | unum | I wonder if it's not seeing the admin user as an admin |
| 19:20.38 | unum | but I tried to look at all that stuff in the database and it looked right |
| 19:24.46 | JoshH | phpbb sucks anyway |
| 19:24.49 | JoshH | i wish vbulletin was free |
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| 19:35.53 | sjansen | I wanted to test the Windows compatibility of some new VPN hardware we recently bought. |
| 19:36.32 | sjansen | Happily we recently rented a classroom so there a couple machines with Windows still installed. |
| 19:37.14 | sjansen | Sadly, Windows is convinced that SP3 is fully installed, but in truth it wasn't correctly. |
| 19:37.34 | sjansen | I spent about an hour trying to figure out how to fix the Windows RDP client. |
| 19:37.59 | sjansen | The experience has taught me one thing: No freaking way I will ever allow anyone to ever claim Windows is "easier" ever again. |
| 19:38.06 | manithree | What VPN hardware are you using? |
| 19:38.19 | sjansen | SonicWall |
| 19:38.54 | manithree | Yeah, try keeping an XP machine patched over dial-up |
| 19:39.44 | manithree | apt/yum is easier and better |
| 19:41.07 | Tene | Some of the yum distros are starting to adopt delta rpms. |
| 19:41.12 | Tene | Which is even nicer. |
| 19:41.17 | manithree | And it only gets better |
| 19:44.35 | tensai | Tene: that would be great |
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| 19:57.47 | harleypig | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?src=rss&id=12693 |
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| 20:04.57 | unum | finally realized what my problem was |
| 20:05.15 | unum | there were some apache directive that I failed to copy to the right place |
| 20:06.04 | Jayce^ | harleypig: that was a great one today |
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| 20:21.42 | Sargun | Tene, you mean RPM-patching, or you mean patching RPMs? |
| 20:37.32 | tensai | in a spreadsheet, how would I run a function on multiple sets of cells? |
| 20:37.48 | tensai | say I want an average of cells J2:J22 and J24:J54 |
| 20:37.55 | tensai | (basically, excluding J23) |
| 20:46.38 | harleypig | Jayce^: what was the url of that site for that faerie guy? or peter pan guy? |
| 20:46.56 | Jayce^ | hrm, don't recall |
| 20:47.27 | ^Migs^ | it's about time: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i68061ff8eae6a63772900e662e5accd6 |
| 20:47.46 | brac | ['MacGyver' getting revived as feature film] |
| 20:48.02 | Sargun_Screen | Uhm, ^Migs^, they're going to ruin it... |
| 20:48.56 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to be optimistic |
| 20:49.09 | ^Migs^ | everybody thinks movies based on classics are "ruined" nowadays, but I usually enjoy them just fine |
| 20:50.11 | Sargun_Screen | Grrr, my allergies are back... |
| 20:50.33 | Sargun_Screen | Well, I wouldn't know, IW wasn't born when macgyver was in its wheight |
| 20:51.21 | harleypig | wheight? |
| 20:51.28 | Sargun_Screen | Some old classics have been ruined from what I understand. |
| 20:51.29 | Sargun_Screen | height. |
| 20:52.13 | elg | the biggest problem with remaking macgyver would be the same as remaking indiana jones |
| 20:52.18 | elg | RDA *is* macgyver |
| 20:52.23 | Sargun_Screen | RDA? |
| 20:52.28 | elg | richard dean anderson |
| 20:52.36 | Sargun_Screen | some old guy, yes? |
| 20:52.49 | elg | not too old, but yeah |
| 20:52.59 | elg | he still acts, or did until recently anyway |
| 20:53.02 | elg | see stargate |
| 20:53.05 | elg | sg-1 |
| 20:54.43 | Sargun_Screen | didn't macgyver have a son? |
| 20:54.58 | elg | i don't think so |
| 20:55.10 | elg | the whole show wasn't that heavy on plot |
| 20:55.20 | Sargun_Screen | can he have a son? |
| 20:55.28 | elg | there was some character development, but mostly it was macgyver on cool missions |
| 20:55.33 | elg | can you have a son? |
| 20:56.01 | Sargun_Screen | I don |
| 20:56.03 | ^Migs^ | dude |
| 20:56.05 | Sargun_Screen | t know, I don't have the expertise to tanswer that |
| 20:56.12 | ^Migs^ | he's younger than Harrison Ford, and Harrison still played Indy |
| 20:56.34 | elg | yeah, that's what i'm saying. if they wanted to do a "here's mac today" movie, that'd be cool |
| 20:57.04 | elg | but if they want to remake ye olde macgyver but without RDA and without the mullet, it would probably be like that knight rider joke that's on tv now |
| 20:57.07 | elg | gags |
| 20:57.14 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 20:57.51 | ^Migs^ | now I want to buy the MacGyver series and watch them all over again. I used to go apenuts over that show. |
| 20:57.58 | Sargun_Screen | They could let the old macgyver get captured by the enemies, and the younger, newer macgyver save the old one |
| 20:58.12 | elg | although, it was worth watching the pilot to see hasselhoff look totally ridiculuous as michael knight instead of totally cool |
| 20:58.20 | goozbach | I've been working through the mcgyver dvds on netflix |
| 20:58.30 | elg | ^Migs^: you can watch it online. I do that during lunch from time to time |
| 20:58.37 | ^Migs^ | oh nice |
| 20:58.41 | Sargun_Screen | elg: where? Hulu? |
| 20:58.43 | ^Migs^ | except it'd be worth buying |
| 20:58.49 | elg | on cbs and fancast, maybe hulu too I dunno |
| 20:58.59 | elg | i usually go to cbs because the episodes are in order |
| 20:59.08 | Sargun_Screen | interesting. |
| 20:59.14 | elg | then when their site is messed up (1/3 chance) I go find the episode on fancast |
| 20:59.45 | elg | they've been putting them on youtube too I think, but not all at once and I'm already past that point |
| 21:00.15 | Sargun_Screen | Man, the train is interesting |
| 21:00.26 | Sargun_Screen | most people on here are pretty old, or pretty young. |
| 21:00.47 | Sargun_Screen | nobody from 25-45 I'd say |
| 21:00.52 | elg | except for the alien invaders |
| 21:00.58 | elg | that's how you can tell them apart |
| 21:01.29 | ^Migs^ | once when I was working at the IRS, I came across Richard Dean Anderson's tax form |
| 21:01.41 | ^Migs^ | I thought it was the coolest thing ever |
| 21:01.46 | Sargun_Screen | you worked for the IRS? you were evil? |
| 21:01.53 | ^Migs^ | MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:02.03 | Sargun_Screen | what have you done in order to apologize for your sins under the IRS? |
| 21:02.05 | elg | were? |
| 21:02.17 | ^Migs^ | pffft, no apology necessary. It was an awesome job. |
| 21:02.24 | elg | he put this really funny background on the school computers |
| 21:02.29 | Sargun_Screen | he works for a school district now. |
| 21:02.34 | Sargun_Screen | accepting menial pay |
| 21:02.43 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 21:02.49 | ^Migs^ | of course, still more than the IRS pays |
| 21:02.53 | elg | you can do that when you've embezzled millions from the IRS |
| 21:02.55 | Sargun_Screen | really? |
| 21:03.04 | ^Migs^ | well, of course |
| 21:03.12 | ^Migs^ | I was just working at the IRS while I was in college still |
| 21:03.22 | ^Migs^ | one of those jobs I got as a newlywed |
| 21:03.36 | ^Migs^ | worked a swing shift |
| 21:03.50 | Sargun_Screen | The IRS has swing shifts? |
| 21:04.58 | Sargun_Screen | I thought it was all fat assholes getting in at exactly 0800 (to the second), and getting out at _exactly_ 1700 |
| 21:05.20 | JoshH | no, they leave at 1649 |
| 21:05.59 | Sargun_Screen | oh, and their lunch break is exactly from 1200 to 1300 |
| 21:06.19 | Sargun_Screen | and half the time they work on trying to balance paper clips |
| 21:06.50 | Sargun_Screen | they play poker all day, and instead of betting cash, they bet getting to audit people. |
| 21:07.30 | Tene | LOL STEREOTYPES ARE FUNNY |
| 21:07.54 | Sargun_Screen | I know they are. |
| 21:09.54 | ^Migs^ | when i was there, they gave smokers 15 minute smoke breaks |
| 21:10.25 | ^Migs^ | they also had a daycare |
| 21:10.33 | ^Migs^ | great cafeteria food, too |
| 21:10.57 | ^Migs^ | dang, I want to go back there, if they could match my salary |
| 21:11.20 | Sargun_Screen | evil man. |
| 21:11.27 | Sargun_Screen | What did you do there anyways? |
| 21:11.31 | ^Migs^ | error resolution |
| 21:11.38 | ^Migs^ | fixed the errors stupid people made on their tax forms |
| 21:12.36 | ^Migs^ | they also had a party/potluck every week |
| 21:13.02 | JoshH | potlucks are not a good thing |
| 21:13.02 | ^Migs^ | and they give FAT bonuses to workers who do exceptionally well |
| 21:13.22 | ^Migs^ | I was the fastest typist, so I'd often receive, like, $500 bonus checks in the mail |
| 21:13.37 | Sargun_Screen | except, all the food was poisoned slightly, so any non-IRS agents would be killed. |
| 21:13.46 | ^Migs^ | Yeah, they make you build up an immunity to the poison |
| 21:14.02 | Sargun_Screen | iocane powder? |
| 21:14.42 | Sargun_Screen | ok, time for me to get off |
| 21:15.00 | Sargun_Screen | and stop making fun of the irs, they're Serious Business... ;-P |
| 21:16.17 | ^Migs^ | (TM) |
| 21:19.55 | JoshH | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1162401/Will-sleep-Downs-syndrome-son-asks-mother-trying-help-21-year-old-lose-virginity.html |
| 21:20.01 | JoshH | not sure what to think of that exactly |
| 21:24.30 | elg | she's messed up I'd say |
| 21:24.31 | ^Migs^ | what would you think of any mother who wanted their child to bang some random chick and impregnate her? |
| 21:24.40 | ^Migs^ | the Down's is irrelevant |
| 21:25.33 | JoshH | i like the pic of that social networking profile |
| 21:25.37 | elg | "He said: 'I'm on a mission to find a girlfriend. My reason is I want to have sex. I'm looking for girlfriends everywhere.'" |
| 21:25.43 | JoshH | "scared of: sex with older ladies" |
| 21:26.37 | elg | now, i don't know much about down's syndrome but whatever the reason he says/behaves that way seems like a good reason for me (if i were a girl) to steer clear |
| 21:27.02 | ^Migs^ | what's wrong with those 3 girls he's with in that park photo? |
| 21:27.20 | ^Migs^ | I think if they were true friends, they'd want to help him in this endeavor |
| 21:27.22 | elg | no matter what disabilities the guy does or doesn't have. |
| 21:27.39 | ^Migs^ | I don't know, elg. Never underestimate the skankiness of some girls. |
| 21:27.57 | JoshH | i'd say amsterdam is probably his only hope |
| 21:28.27 | elg | sure, but those are generally attracted to their skanky partners |
| 21:29.14 | mecworks | Hey, anyone want to present this wednesday at SLLUG? |
| 21:29.14 | elg | so anyway, there might be a girl out there with the inclination, who knows. but it's fairly obvious this lady is wacked |
| 21:29.30 | elg | mecworks: I will if you fly me up ;-) |
| 21:29.34 | mecworks | :) |
| 21:29.35 | mecworks | LOL |
| 21:30.26 | Tene | mecworks: I could present on Parrot. |
| 21:30.46 | Tene | mecworks: that would be the day after the 1.0 release of Parrot. |
| 21:30.54 | mecworks | that would be awesome. Would you be willing to do that? |
| 21:30.55 | mecworks | cool |
| 21:31.10 | elg | 1.0 release? |
| 21:31.11 | Tene | mecworks: I don't know if that's a topic that SLLUG would be interested in. |
| 21:31.18 | mecworks | yeah, they'd love it |
| 21:31.25 | Tene | Oh, okay. |
| 21:32.02 | Tene | It would be approximately the same presentation I gave to PLUG last week. Build your own language compiler with Parrot Compiler Tools. |
| 21:32.22 | mecworks | Hey, can you send me a blurb and maybe a URL to comments@sllug.org? So, the meeting is on wednesday at 7 at the U. You ok schedule-wise for that? |
| 21:32.34 | Tene | Yes. |
| 21:32.38 | mecworks | awesome! |
| 21:32.46 | elg | so if parrot is going 1.0, where does that put perl6? |
| 21:33.43 | jshipley | So is Otto Baxter from England? |
| 21:34.40 | mecworks | Tene: OK, I'll post the announcement as soon as I get a short description form you. Thanks a ton! We'll probably have a few give-aways too. Some books and stuff. |
| 21:34.43 | Tene | elg: what do you want to know about it. |
| 21:34.58 | elg | i just don't want it to be released and nobody tell me |
| 21:35.01 | elg | i'd feel so out of it |
| 21:35.13 | Tene | elg: it had its first independant release last month. |
| 21:35.30 | elg | what does that mean? |
| 21:35.39 | Tene | separate from Parrot's releases. |
| 21:38.18 | Tene | elg: Rakudo has had regular monthly releases for at least a year. |
| 21:38.31 | elg | see now you're talking over my head |
| 21:38.41 | Tene | eh? |
| 21:38.49 | elg | I'm on the "perl 6 has {arrived,not arrived}" level |
| 21:41.03 | Tene | elg: Rakudo currently passes over 7k spectests. |
| 21:41.16 | Tene | There hasn't been a 1.0 release of Rakudo yet. |
| 21:41.45 | tarrant | Tene: could you define what Rakudo is? |
| 21:41.56 | tarrant | please |
| 21:42.07 | Tene | Some people have estimated that a full implementation of Perl 6 would pass somewhere around 15k tests. The test suite isn't finished yet, so we don't know. |
| 21:42.10 | fozzmoo | PERL6! |
| 21:42.13 | Tene | tarrant: Rakudo is Perl 6 on Parrot. |
| 21:42.24 | tarrant | Gotya. |
| 21:42.36 | Tene | tarrant: the most-complete Perl 6 implementation so far. |
| 21:42.47 | elg | Tene: ok, so I translate that as "hasn't arrived" |
| 21:43.18 | Tene | elg: I regularly use it for personal projects. |
| 21:43.29 | eggyknap | Is the Perl 6 language spec fully stable, then? |
| 21:43.40 | Tene | I don't know anyone using it for work, though. |
| 21:43.59 | Tene | eggyknap: fairly. It's had pretty minimal changes over the past couple of years. |
| 21:44.19 | Tene | eggyknap: the only change still going on has been in response to question from the people implementing it. |
| 21:44.29 | eggyknap | Sweet. |
| 21:44.41 | elg | so what's so hard about implementing it that it's taken this long? |
| 21:44.42 | elg | oops, gtg |
| 21:44.44 | Tene | Discovering that things do or don't make sense, etc. |
| 21:45.59 | eggyknap | Surprising how much you can learn about a language trying to implement it... and I've only tried LOLCODE :) |
| 21:46.24 | Tene | mecworks: who from #utah attends sllug? |
| 21:46.56 | fozzmoo | I use a lot of Perl6 modules in Perl5 projects. :) |
| 21:47.03 | fozzmoo | Lots of people attend SLLUG |
| 21:47.06 | mecworks | Hm. There's a bunch. |
| 21:47.11 | Tene | I've never actually been. |
| 21:47.13 | Tene | Huh. |
| 21:47.19 | Tene | mecworks: get my mail? |
| 21:47.22 | fozzmoo | Tene: Really? I never dragged you up there? |
| 21:47.23 | mecworks | checking... |
| 21:47.29 | Tene | fozzmoo: no, you didn't |
| 21:47.35 | fozzmoo | Awh. |
| 21:47.35 | Tene | fozzmoo: how's that video coming? |
| 21:47.44 | fozzmoo | Tene: Which video? |
| 21:47.51 | Tene | fozzmoo: PLUG |
| 21:47.57 | fozzmoo | It's done. been up since Friday. |
| 21:48.01 | fozzmoo | http://www.opensourcetv.tv/ |
| 21:48.05 | Tene | Oh. |
| 21:48.19 | mecworks | Tene: not yet. But there's greylisting on that server. It may take a few minutes. |
| 21:48.20 | fozzmoo | I need to Blog about it. |
| 21:48.56 | sjansen | Windows is so lame. |
| 21:49.05 | tarrant | sjansen: ? |
| 21:49.17 | Tene | fozzmoo: if you want to add a link to the code, http://github.com/tene/steme/ |
| 21:49.25 | fozzmoo | Oh good point. |
| 21:49.29 | fozzmoo | I'll do that. Thanks. |
| 21:49.36 | sjansen | tarrant: If I wanted to use an OS without drivers I'd use Linux circa 1995. |
| 21:50.22 | fozzmoo | The sjansen video from Dec is on the burner, getting warmed up. |
| 21:50.27 | goozbach | or debian 5.0.0 |
| 21:50.32 | goozbach | ~zing |
| 21:50.34 | mecworks | sjansen: my virtualization server is almost done. mecworks and SLLUG will be VMs running on KVM. |
| 21:50.47 | mecworks | along with several other servers too |
| 21:50.49 | sjansen | I finally gave up and decided to reinstall Windows from an older disk. Now I get to enjoy the pleasure of finding the driver for my stinking network card just so I can spend the next couple hours waiting as Windows Update reboots the box repeatedly. |
| 21:50.59 | goozbach | debian 5 doesn't like my 3 year old hardware |
| 21:51.01 | Sargun_Screen | is enjoying the data center :-( |
| 21:51.19 | goozbach | not a fan |
| 21:51.24 | Sargun_Screen | Tene: do you have a self hosted compiler? |
| 21:51.28 | JoshH | goozbach, and another distro does? |
| 21:51.33 | Sargun_Screen | can parrot compile parrot? |
| 21:51.39 | goozbach | JoshH: centos 5.2 |
| 21:51.45 | JoshH | my "defend debian" instincts are kicking in |
| 21:51.49 | Tene | Sargun_Screen: No. |
| 21:51.54 | Sargun_Screen | :-( |
| 21:51.56 | Sargun_Screen | Tene: too bad. |
| 21:51.57 | goozbach | (which is a year and change older than debian 5) |
| 21:52.02 | mecworks | Sargun_Screen: well parrot is a runtime VM, not a compiler, right? |
| 21:52.05 | JoshH | it works fine on my 3-4 year old hardware |
| 21:52.09 | goozbach | JoshH: it's a scsi module problem |
| 21:52.10 | sjansen | mecworks: nice :-) |
| 21:52.10 | JoshH | but it's all pretty standard |
| 21:52.19 | sjansen | Virtualization is da bomb! |
| 21:52.22 | goozbach | I'm trying to install on a optiplex GX620 |
| 21:52.30 | goozbach | dell BTW |
| 21:52.39 | goozbach | works just peachy with centos 5.2 |
| 21:52.46 | goozbach | no love from debian 5.0 |
| 21:52.46 | mecworks | sjansen: yes, yes it is. Intel Core i7, 12GB, 4TB raid5 nice!!!! |
| 21:52.55 | goozbach | installer says "no drives found" |
| 21:53.00 | mecworks | sjansen: 8 effective cores :) |
| 21:53.11 | sjansen | ~steal mecworks's i7 |
| 21:53.12 | ibot | ACTION grabs mecworks's i7 and gives it to sjansen |
| 21:53.37 | sjansen | mecworks: Is this a work machine or personal? |
| 21:53.54 | Sargun_Screen | mecworks: I mean, will it run a compiler that can compile it? |
| 21:53.58 | mecworks | I evaluated Xen, VMware workstation, server, ESXi and KVM. KVM won out for various reasons. |
| 21:54.00 | JoshH | hmm, postnuke still exists |
| 21:54.18 | Sargun_Screen | mecworks: like? |
| 21:54.23 | sjansen | WTF?! |
| 21:54.28 | mecworks | sjansen: personal. I'm migrating home servers into one VM server. right now I'm going from 5 machines to 2. |
| 21:54.35 | sjansen | Who needs 97MB for a stinking network driver! |
| 21:54.38 | sjansen | ~lart Windows |
| 21:54.38 | ibot | teaches Windows the basics, including how to RTM |
| 21:55.10 | JoshH | sjansen: i once downloaded a 385MB HP printer driver |
| 21:55.20 | mecworks | sjansen: servers to be virtualized: SLLUG, mecworks, mythtv and asterisk. |
| 21:55.27 | JoshH | of course, very little of that was actual driver |
| 21:55.36 | sjansen | mecworks: openSUSE? |
| 21:55.54 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: wtf, what kind of network card is this |
| 21:55.58 | mecworks | Opensuse for the server, and some of the machines. SLLUG will be a Debian install. |
| 21:56.17 | goozbach | mecworks: if I might ask, how much did you spend? |
| 21:56.31 | Sargun_Screen | on what |
| 21:56.34 | sjansen | Sargun_Screen: Intel Pro Gigabit Windows driver. |
| 21:56.55 | mecworks | goozbach: about $1500 total so far. |
| 21:57.01 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: I'm surprised that it's so big... but it might be because they have to have one version of the driver for every kernel |
| 21:57.25 | mecworks | it will be easier to maintain, and use a lot less electricity that the 4 servers it's replacing. |
| 21:59.12 | sjansen | mecworks: Are you going to blog about your hardware choices? I'm thinking about building my own home VM server, but I'd rather just let someone else do the hardware research. |
| 21:59.17 | mecworks | goozbach: I'm getting a much more flexible setup with more hp/$ by buidling it myself rather than going with a prebuilt system from Dell or HP. I couldn't spec out a server with 12GB of ram and a 4TB raid 5 array from them for that much. They sell the servers pretty cheap but if you want extra memory and disks, you pay a lot. Plus I needed support for PCI (asterisk card). |
| 22:00.08 | mecworks | sjansen: yes, that's the goal. I've spent a long time researching and looking for parts. I plan on describing the hardware and the reasoning behind the choices too. |
| 22:00.32 | sjansen | Sargun_Screen: Actually, Windows drivers are supposed to work with any kernel version. The insane size is the result of all the other crap vendors force on their victims^wcustomers. |
| 22:01.05 | mecworks | Tene: I got your email! Thanks! I'm putting the announcement together now. |
| 22:12.31 | sjansen | eagerly awaits mecworks's hardware blog post |
| 22:15.29 | JoshH | just paste your newegg invoice |
| 22:16.47 | mecworks | JoshH: I'll probably do something like that |
| 22:16.53 | mecworks | There's a few of them. |
| 22:18.38 | unum | really weird. if i alter the phpbb code to tell it to write out $dbname is writes out the right value. yet it's connecting to the wrong database |
| 22:20.04 | fozzmoo | vomits |
| 22:20.09 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 22:20.31 | zzzirk | whoa, that looks like PHP code! |
| 22:22.17 | mecworks | Tene: thanks! The announcement has been sent out: http://www.sllug.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=125 |
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| 23:24.36 | Sargun_Screen | hi |
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| 23:41.28 | bonez46 | HOW DOES ONE PERFORM A LOW Level format, on a drive? |
| 23:42.47 | Sargun_Screen | dd if=/dev/zero of=$DRIVE |
| 23:43.57 | bonez46 | type just that, or do I replace any parameters? |
| 23:44.16 | Sargun_Screen | well, replace $DRIVE with the drive you want to format |
| 23:44.52 | bonez46 | so if the drive in question is /dev/sda then it would be 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda'? |
| 23:45.28 | Sargun_Screen | sure. |
| 23:45.30 | fungus | technically that isn't a "low level format", but that term doesn't apply to any drives made this decade |
| 23:45.42 | Sargun_Screen | fungus: shh... don't tell him that. |
| 23:45.51 | fungus | hehe |
| 23:46.47 | bonez46 | that command will just erase everything on the drive, right? all of it? leaving nothing behind? |
| 23:47.00 | fungus | But Sargun_Screen is correct, wiping your drive that way, will accomplish your goal. |
| 23:47.30 | fungus | and it will take a very long time, depending on the size of your drive. |
| 23:47.39 | bonez46 | my goal is to install ubuntu 8.10 on it, but currently if i attempt to install it errors out. . it's a 250 gb drive.. |
| 23:47.56 | bonez46 | after I run that though, will the drive be able to install to? |
| 23:48.04 | fungus | yup |
| 23:48.13 | bonez46 | it's a seagate..and I don't know if it has that security stuff on it, or not.. |
| 23:48.43 | fungus | If you get bored after a few minutes, you could stop it and try to install it again. |
| 23:49.01 | fungus | The boot sectors and partition table are all at the beginning of the drive. |
| 23:50.44 | bonez46 | is it supposed to report anything while it works? hashes or any indicators? |
| 23:50.50 | bonez46 | do I need to run as user or sudo? |
| 23:51.06 | Sargun_Screen | you need to run it as root. |
| 23:51.17 | bonez46 | ok, sudo then.. and it doesn't give much feedback right? |
| 23:51.32 | Sargun_Screen | until the end. |
| 23:51.49 | bonez46 | so , I would run these to be really secure? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda |
| 23:51.49 | bonez46 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 23:52.19 | Sargun_Screen | why not |
| 23:52.23 | Sargun_Screen | what are you trying to hide |
| 23:52.33 | fungus | If you want to wipe it to prevent others from scraping the data off of it, then you need to wait the entire time |
| 23:52.56 | bonez46 | I just want to get it to the point where I can install to it and use it.. |
| 23:52.59 | fungus | And if you are paranoid/conspiracy theorist, do it w/ urandom 2 or 3 times |
| 23:53.01 | Sargun_Screen | yeah, do the zero first, then do the urandom... |
| 23:53.12 | bonez46 | ok.. |
| 23:53.19 | bonez46 | just writes random stuff all over it? |
| 23:53.29 | fungus | Generally one pass with zero is plenty |
| 23:53.42 | bonez46 | so dd just talks strait to the drive controller, right? bypassing BIOS and anything else? |
| 23:53.59 | bonez46 | i guess at 250 gb it may take a while.. |
| 23:54.02 | Sargun_Screen | fungus: yeah, but you don't want it to look like someone nuked it. |
| 23:54.11 | fungus | No, straight to the drive itself, bypassing all partitions, etc |
| 23:54.21 | bonez46 | what do you mean, Sargun_Screen? |
| 23:54.37 | Sargun_Screen | first zero it, then urandom it. |
| 23:55.01 | bonez46 | let's say I have a drive and I get the data I need off it and then run these. it will clean up.. and have it fresh and ready to install right? no remnants of the former data on it? |
| 23:55.20 | bonez46 | ok.. what would it being nuked look like, Sargun_Screen? |
| 23:55.36 | fungus | To keep it fresh for a new install, you could just zero it out. that is more than plenty |
| 23:55.58 | bonez46 | oh, instead of the urandom, right? |
| 23:56.03 | fungus | right |
| 23:56.28 | fungus | urandom, or more than one pass, is only for paranoid freaks that think the government is trying to spy on them. |
| 23:56.45 | Sargun_Screen | right |
| 23:56.45 | bonez46 | ok.. well, I am going to wash the dishes and get dinner going.. wife's outta town, so it's just me and the three little hormone factories.. .. 4 bachelors.. |
| 23:56.50 | bonez46 | ok.. |
| 23:57.02 | fungus | You know... the type of people that don't carry cellphones, and take a different route to work every day. |
| 23:57.07 | Tene | fungus: and in that case, it's better to ditch it in the river or sandblast it |
| 23:57.12 | bonez46 | but the govmt would have tools and time and money to extract anything worthwhile off the drives, wouldn't they? |
| 23:57.32 | bonez46 | or shoot holes in it with a .45? |
| 23:57.33 | Tene | bonez46: it's unlikely that they'd be able to get it even with the drive just zeroed. |
| 23:57.41 | bonez46 | ok.. |
| 23:57.58 | fungus | one pass with zero is enough to foil the government in reality. |
| 23:58.12 | Tene | a guy a while back went to all the major data recovery centers with a drive he had zeroed offering them a big pile of money if they could recover it... none of them would even try |
| 23:58.25 | bonez46 | hmmm |
| 23:59.02 | Sargun_Screen | Tene: but you don't want it to look you've wiped it. |
| 23:59.40 | fungus | urandom would still look "wiped" |
| 23:59.47 | Sargun_Screen | not really.. |
