| 00:04.27 | tensai | Sargun_Screen: 0x20, like I said |
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| 01:32.14 | bonez45 | who's around? anyone? |
| 01:34.03 | Sargun_Screen | me |
| 01:35.03 | bonez45 | ah, sargun. I have another question. are you up for it? |
| 01:35.37 | bonez45 | Why if I boot up with a live 8.10 desktop cd .. can I see all three hard drives in my system, two SATA and one IDE.. and why do all three get labeled as 'scsi' |
| 01:37.19 | Sargun_Screen | sd*? |
| 01:37.42 | bonez45 | sd? |
| 01:38.23 | Sargun_Screen | are the all prefixed with sd |
| 01:38.30 | Sargun_Screen | (my initials) |
| 01:40.04 | bonez45 | are all the drives? prefixed with sd? |
| 01:44.38 | Sargun_Screen | yes? |
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| 01:49.48 | bonez45 | I am getting help.. I think I am on the right track with help in #ubuntu |
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| 02:25.04 | levi | elg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yH_j8-VVLo |
| 02:29.04 | bonez45 | any of you know your way around gparted? |
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| 02:50.16 | levi | Hmm, new iPhone OS details to be released in a few days. |
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| 02:55.14 | tensai | elg: are you using lirc with mythtv? |
| 02:55.21 | elg | yes |
| 02:55.53 | tensai | I just bought an ir receiver. it works fine with minicom, but I can't get lirc to use it. |
| 02:56.36 | tensai | what kind of receiver do you have? |
| 02:56.37 | elg | with minicom ... in what way? |
| 02:56.58 | tensai | it's a serial device. I opened it with minicom and it prints characters to the screen. |
| 02:57.09 | tensai | it has a red light too which turns on when minicom starts |
| 02:57.18 | elg | sounds too smart |
| 02:57.23 | elg | but it might not be |
| 02:57.49 | tensai | when I run irrecord I get nothing |
| 02:58.00 | elg | here's what I have |
| 02:58.01 | elg | http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section&partName=introduction |
| 02:58.03 | brac | [How to build an IR receiver] |
| 02:58.22 | elg | (although, I'm just using my hdhomerun now) |
| 02:58.51 | tensai | yeah, I remember that page. I couldn't find all those parts so I just bought one. |
| 02:59.06 | elg | what did you buy? |
| 02:59.16 | tensai | http://home-electro.com/ira3.php |
| 02:59.17 | brac | [Remote control for Home Theater PC] |
| 02:59.41 | elg | hm, well it says lirc should work with it |
| 03:00.01 | tensai | wouldn't have bought it otherwise |
| 03:00.20 | elg | irrecord sucks |
| 03:00.36 | elg | try xmode2 |
| 03:00.44 | elg | and/or mode2 |
| 03:01.02 | elg | http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/mids/xmode2.png |
| 03:01.26 | elg | if you see something like that, then you're good for the next stage (finding a remote config(s) to match the remote(s)) |
| 03:03.05 | tensai | neither shows me anything :( |
| 03:03.40 | tensai | at this point do I need a working lircd.conf? |
| 03:03.41 | elg | you have the lirc module loaded? |
| 03:03.43 | elg | no |
| 03:03.53 | tensai | so it should detect any remote, right? |
| 03:04.03 | elg | xmode2 just shows raw signal |
| 03:04.12 | elg | my guess is you have a setserial issue |
| 03:04.40 | tensai | could be |
| 03:04.51 | elg | the lirc kernel module needs to get the port, and usually that means you have to do some setserial thing before loading that module |
| 03:04.59 | elg | distro- or something-specific |
| 03:05.22 | elg | so rmmod it, setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none |
| 03:05.29 | elg | (or whichever is the serial port in question) |
| 03:05.47 | elg | then modprobe again. you should see something in dmesg about how it detected the device |
| 03:06.13 | elg | "Debian users should adjust their /etc/serial.conf. " http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html |
| 03:06.14 | tensai | hmm. that could be it. I've got a 16550A uart |
| 03:06.35 | levi | Doesn't everyone have a 16550A uart? |
| 03:06.55 | tensai | I mean the config specifies it is one, where elg says it should not |
| 03:06.56 | elg | pretty much. it's that you need to set the uart to be dumb |
| 03:06.58 | elg | or something |
| 03:07.19 | elg | basically, the kernel steals the serial port from the lirc module if it's not uart none |
| 03:07.35 | elg | whatever the implications of that are. i'm a bit fuzzy on the specifics of serial voodoo |
| 03:08.37 | elg | also what distro do you have? |
| 03:09.11 | elg | there was a bug on ubuntu 8.04 i think where at least 2 boxes i know of just plain didn't work with the stock kernel |
| 03:09.30 | elg | the -rt kernel worked fine on those boxes. |
| 03:10.26 | levi | I hacked the Linux serial driver once. Had to do it in order to support a whole crapload of serial ports. I think it supports a crapload of them out of the box now. |
| 03:10.57 | tensai | my one and only kernel patch is in the usb serial driver |
| 03:11.50 | levi | I never sent any kernel patches upstream. |
| 03:12.20 | levi | My name is in the credits as a contributor at the FreeIPMI site, though. |
| 03:13.40 | levi | Now I deal solely in programming proprietary systems. Though I still have all the source code, so it doesn't feel terribly different, except for the fact that interfaces don't change every week. ;) |
| 03:14.20 | levi | And there is some degree of real documentation, though the community 'just google it' style stuff is minimal. |
| 03:18.44 | tensai | elg: it's ubuntu 8.10 |
| 03:19.02 | tensai | I set the uart to none, but still no dice |
| 03:23.11 | levi | I'm going to have to go through the remote setup pain again soon. My current remote is falling apart. |
| 03:24.40 | elg | dmesg? |
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| 04:12.12 | bonez45 | tensai: you on a while? I have some 8.10 desktop questions for ya |
| 04:13.44 | bonez45 | hmm maybe I am too late.. |
| 04:17.56 | levi | Man, this device driver is such a mess. |
| 04:18.53 | bonez45 | ah, Levi.. |
| 04:19.18 | bonez45 | do you run debian or ubuntu? |
| 04:22.03 | levi | I run Windows right now. |
| 04:22.34 | levi | I have an old debian server, though. |
| 04:23.13 | bonez45 | I had a drive in an older box.. the fax in the power supp was failing, but the server worked. and etch booted fine. |
| 04:24.06 | bonez45 | I pulled the drive out , installed it in a new box.. along side the new drive in there.. and now I can't get that etch drive to boot. I am wondering why.. thinking I should put it back in old box and see if it boots up.... and then if so.. why won't it boot up on the new box |
| 04:24.40 | tarrant | could be that your kernel is having issues with the new system. How do you have your partitions laid out? |
| 04:25.04 | tarrant | or drivers or so on. |
| 04:25.45 | levi | What do you mean by "doesn't boot"? Does it hang after BIOS, does the bootloader start and fail, does the kernel get loaded? |
| 04:26.10 | bonez45 | well, I have 3 partitions.. on the etch drive.. .. |
| 04:26.28 | bonez45 | it's a SATA drive. so that presents problems too.. in getting it to boot up.. |
| 04:27.00 | bonez45 | I run, I am running now on this system.. on the live cd 8.10 desktop disc.. and gparted sees the etch drive.. and the partitions.. but not the data on it.. |
| 04:27.13 | levi | Could you answer my question? |
| 04:28.27 | bonez45 | by 'doesn't boot' I mean.. no matter what order I set them in the BIOS.. I can't ever get this new system to boot up with the drive in question, with etch on it.. I can't boot it up.. It goes to VMI something.. I should write it down.. |
| 04:28.50 | bonez45 | does that help at all? I should try booting and write it down and come back. |
| 04:29.18 | bonez45 | I'd like to install 8.10 on one of these disks.. but now, I can't get either drive to shrink, to make 5 gb to have space to install.. to hdd |
| 04:29.21 | levi | So the BIOS doesn't seem to recognize the drive as bootable? |
| 04:30.14 | bonez45 | no, cause being SATA.. there are no sata drivers that load and thus the system , new box. I built it last christmas.. doesn't see it.. if I boot straight out, but with live cd loaded.. it sees both drives jsut fine.. |
| 04:31.07 | levi | A new box with SATA ports on the board ought to be able to boot from a SATA drive. |
| 04:31.53 | bonez45 | the etch drive.. 80 gb sata just shows up as "unallocated 74,56 GiB' in gparted |
| 04:32.01 | levi | The BIOS should be capable of reading the boot sector and calling the bootloader. |
| 04:32.04 | bonez45 | the SATA ports are right on the mobo |
| 04:32.40 | bonez45 | ok, it should.. I am going to pull the drive back out. stick back in old machine and boot, or attempt.. IF it boots up on there just fine.. what would that tell me? |
| 04:33.20 | levi | I'm not sure what that would tell you, except that perhaps there's some sort of incompatibility between the drive and the new box. |
| 04:33.52 | levi | Do you know what bootloader is on the drive? |
| 04:33.53 | bonez45 | hmm |
| 04:33.56 | bonez45 | grub |
| 04:34.01 | bonez45 | love grub..;) |
| 04:34.05 | bonez45 | not much for lilo.. |
| 04:34.32 | levi | And grub never starts when you try to boot from it in the new box? |
| 04:34.41 | bonez45 | not on the new box.. |
| 04:34.42 | bonez45 | nope.. |
| 04:35.09 | bonez45 | well, that's not true.. it starts and then fails.. I will attempt again, write it down and come back here.. |
| 04:35.14 | levi | OK. |
| 04:35.36 | bonez45 | just hate to go and lose my settings. but I hate losing my data on those drives too. I could just install new.. but it would wipe out the data. |
| 04:35.40 | levi | If grub starts at all, then you know the drive was recognized and the BIOS could read the boot sector. |
| 04:35.48 | bonez45 | ok.. |
| 04:36.00 | bonez45 | back in a while |
| 04:36.03 | bonez45 | thanks for the help |
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| 04:53.17 | bonez46 | tarrant: weren't helping me a bit ago? |
| 04:53.24 | bonez46 | or was it tensai? |
| 04:53.39 | bonez46 | with my drive/sata issues? |
| 04:56.10 | tarrant | I mentioned a few things. It was levi mostly. |
| 04:56.29 | tarrant | bonez46: whats up? |
| 04:58.32 | bonez46 | ok.. I moved the drive in question to position 1. and when I attempted to boot it it shows this > Booting from local disc... and that's IT.. doesn't go any further, no thrashing heard.. nothing, . and on my other drive.. 250 gb newer sata disc.. it showed the following > Booting from local disc.. GRUB Loading Stage 1.5. Grub loading, please wait... Error 2 |
| 04:59.05 | bonez46 | and yet. that first drive. DID boot and run just fine.. ran it a couple years.. for Mailman mailing list.. and my private domain email server.. |
| 04:59.15 | tarrant | Is the drive set to bottable? |
| 04:59.37 | tarrant | s/bottable/bootable/ |
| 04:59.51 | bonez46 | there's a third drive in the machine.. it's an IDE. and it TRIES to boot up. brings up safe mode and all that.. but it hangs.. and then restarts the system.. |
| 05:00.11 | bonez46 | I don't know if it's set to bootable or not. do I check with fdisk? |
| 05:00.37 | tarrant | fdisk or cfdisk you can use to check. The other thing is, did you properly set up your grub config for this new drive? |
| 05:01.08 | tarrant | s/new drive/new setup/ |
| 05:01.12 | bonez46 | grub worked fine, like I said.. when this drive was in the older box.. with failing p/s fan.. that's why I pulled it from there.. |
| 05:01.43 | bonez46 | how woudl I then set up grub.. since I have yet to be able to boot the drive up? |
| 05:01.49 | tarrant | Yes but grub is setup for the position of the drive. If the position of the drive in comparison with the other drives changes then grub no longer work. |
| 05:02.14 | tarrant | You will need a live book and to either edit the grub config by hand or use a wizard. |
| 05:02.16 | bonez46 | ah, I see.. that maybe the issue.. likely IS the issue.. |
| 05:02.19 | tarrant | boot* |
| 05:02.26 | bonez46 | I am running on a live disc right here now.. |
| 05:02.52 | bonez46 | how then do I edit grub. I first need to be able to manually mount and then access each drive.. what if I can't do that? |
| 05:03.05 | tarrant | can you mount /boot? |
| 05:03.20 | tarrant | or wherever /boot is stored? |
| 05:03.35 | bonez46 | I'll try.. let me see.. |
| 05:05.14 | bonez46 | what would I type to mount this drive. which is at /dev/sda? |
| 05:05.49 | tarrant | mount /dev/sda 'point you want to mount to' |
| 05:05.49 | bonez46 | would it be 'sudo mkdir /mnt/mailman && sudo mount -t ext3 /mnt/mailman /dev/sda'? |
| 05:05.57 | bonez46 | ok.. |
| 05:06.07 | tarrant | switch the /dev/sda and /mnt/mailman and yes |
| 05:06.42 | bonez46 | I am pretty sure I have ext3 on there. |
| 05:07.17 | tarrant | you can try a mount -t autofs /dev/sda /mnt/mailman |
| 05:09.16 | bonez46 | ok, I was able to mount the ntfs drive.. which means I can access it.. was not shut down properly before. but I forced it.. |
| 05:09.26 | bonez46 | I'll try that now with autofs |
| 05:09.30 | Sargun | tarrant, good day. |
| 05:09.41 | tarrant | Sargun: ello. How goes it. |
| 05:10.39 | Sargun | Well, and yourself. |
| 05:11.13 | tarrant | Sargun: decent, my parents just got into town so my entire days are oh we need to go do this over here and that over there. They never end. Oh well. |
| 05:11.45 | Sargun | tarrant, I presume your parents are asleep now |
| 05:11.51 | Sargun | tarrant, they're being tourists? |
| 05:12.30 | tarrant | Sargun: you presume correctly. Which is why I'm talking in irc and working on K&R. Not so much tourists just lots to do and my extended family all lives out here so people to visit. |
| 05:13.02 | tarrant | I get draged along. |
| 05:13.14 | Sargun | Why don't you just pretend you have something to do |
| 05:13.40 | tarrant | They know better. Plus they are staying in my/my brothers house. |
| 05:14.26 | tarrant | I don't mind just after several days it gets old. Though I don't get to see my family often so I put up with it. |
| 05:14.36 | tarrant | bonez46: any luck with /boot? |
| 05:16.40 | tarrant | Any ways enough with my complaints. Anything fun, or intresting? |
| 05:16.55 | Sargun | tarrant, with me, no |
| 05:18.11 | bonez46 | I am trying that one now.. |
| 05:19.16 | tarrant | http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html#OperationCounting |
| 05:19.25 | tarrant | Not sure about anyone else but bit hacks make me want to cry. |
| 05:20.07 | tarrant | They are really cool but figuring them out/writing them can be a such a pain. |
| 05:20.33 | Sargun | bit hacks are awesome |
| 05:21.10 | bonez46 | no luck booting my 80 gb drive.. |
| 05:21.17 | bonez46 | it's unallocated.. |
| 05:21.19 | tarrant | bonez46: :( |
| 05:21.33 | bonez46 | going to power back down.. pull it, put in older box and see what I get.. |
| 05:21.56 | bonez46 | wish me luck |
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| 05:47.46 | tarrant | Is it just me or everytime you figure out a bug in a C programs you feel like a complete idiot. |
| 05:48.54 | Sargun | yeah, it sucks |
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| 06:46.43 | Tene_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w |
| 07:32.03 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 07:32.04 | ibot | ~pong |
| 07:32.30 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 07:32.31 | ibot | ~pong |
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| 08:29.29 | brac | uses Tene as a biological warfare study |
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| 10:26.45 | jasonpr | is there a way to do an insert and use a file location as the data for blob? |
| 10:26.48 | jasonpr | mysql |
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| 12:06.56 | elg | alright, who stepped on my foot with high heels? |
| 12:07.02 | elg | has a painful bruise and can't figure out why |
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| 12:59.11 | Sargun | elg, been cheating on the wife again? |
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| 14:13.42 | jessie | Tene: On that flash drive, could you just make a partition less than 4 GB? |
| 14:14.07 | Sargun_Screen | you can make a partition 16 MB |
| 14:14.23 | tensai | elg: I got my remote working |
| 14:15.21 | tensai | the uart was the secret. since it has a uart, my receiver works differently, more like a serial device. |
| 14:15.35 | tensai | lircd --device=/dev/ttyS0 --driver=irman |
| 14:16.10 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: you got it working, good job. |
| 14:18.02 | tensai | Sargun_Screen: I probably should have gone to sleep instead though |
| 14:18.39 | Sargun_Screen | Sleep is over reated |
| 14:18.41 | Sargun_Screen | er, rated |
| 14:18.52 | Sargun_Screen | (That's what happens when you don't sleep) |
| 14:22.02 | elg | tensai: ah, cool. I thought it sounded too smart :) |
| 14:22.17 | elg | tensai: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/10901/pineapple-juice-solution-part-2 |
| 14:22.27 | elg | very informative about starting sourdough start |
| 14:25.05 | tensai | that reminds me. I revived my start. it's all frothy and bubbly now. |
| 14:25.15 | elg | good |
| 14:25.23 | elg | that article got me thinking a bit |
| 14:25.57 | elg | besides really clearing up the whole start from scratch process, it mentioned some things about how maintenance affects the culture, properties of the start, etc. long-term |
| 14:26.10 | elg | i wonder what the major variables are and what effect they have |
| 14:27.53 | elg | like, if you feed less often and so get more acid does it encourage acid-producing (more sour) bacteria? |
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| 14:34.24 | elg | -chat ~onjoin lukfugl |
| 14:34.25 | brac | ~onjoin lukfugl the cow is eating grass |
| 14:34.25 | ibot | brac: ok |
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| 14:53.48 | Tene | jessie: no |
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| 17:01.37 | harleypig | I found a new timewaster^Wweb site: http://www.fmylife.com |
| 17:01.53 | harleypig | Some samples: |
| 17:02.28 | harleypig | http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/18551 |
| 17:03.14 | harleypig | http://www.fmylife.com/sex/21600 |
| 17:03.22 | harleypig | http://www.fmylife.com/sex/112605 |
| 17:05.04 | Sargun | harleypig, you found it too late |
| 17:05.20 | Sargun | they're only a few months old |
| 17:05.23 | harleypig | oh. people have already pointed it out here. |
| 17:05.51 | Sargun | october. |
| 17:07.45 | harleypig | *sigh* |
| 17:07.52 | harleypig | even so ... pretty funny stuff |
| 17:09.05 | Sargun | http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/285133 < HAHA |
| 17:09.07 | Sargun | retard. |
| 17:09.11 | Sargun | deserved that so bad. |
| 17:09.47 | Sargun | If you have a pool house, drink your mothers wine, and don't know to avoid security cameras while having sex, you deserve to be pinned. |
| 17:10.23 | unum | on an unrelated note our stats: 5 offers - 0 new employees |
| 17:11.15 | Sargun | unum, eh? |
| 17:13.36 | unum | we've been trying to hire and we haven't been able to |
| 17:13.51 | unum | it's not great pay but our expectations are low |
| 17:14.03 | toofer | What are you guys hiring for? |
| 17:14.10 | Sargun | nuclear weapons engineer. |
| 17:14.30 | toofer | Do I get a turban with employment? |
| 17:14.38 | tarrant | unum what job? |
| 17:14.58 | unum | data processing |
| 17:15.25 | unum | sunday noon-7 mon-thurs 3pm-11pm |
| 17:15.55 | unum | $10/hour |
| 17:16.01 | tarrant | send me an email at tarrant.rollins@gmail.com, no gaurentees but I can type and am looking for a job. :) |
| 17:16.35 | tarrant | s/gaurentees/guarantees/ |
| 17:17.12 | elg | heh |
| 17:17.25 | elg | he can type, but can he spell? |
| 17:17.31 | Sargun | no weapons development? :-P |
| 17:17.42 | Sargun | unum, what kind of data processing |
| 17:18.52 | unum | Sargun: we run call centers for surveying. so it's mostly running programs to create reports and verify data |
| 17:19.50 | tarrant | Have fun everyone. Cya later. |
| 17:19.55 | unum | cya |
| 17:19.58 | sjansen | http://www.hulu.com/watch/62203/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-thu-mar-12-2009 |
| 17:27.22 | unum | ok the seven degrees of kevin bacon was completely unexpected |
| 17:45.05 | jessie | oh good! evil time! |
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| 17:53.01 | sjansen | Be sure to stick around for the the very end, including an odd comment from Martha Stewart |
| 17:57.17 | Tene_ | "Objects of type xrange [...] are created using the xrange() function. They donât support slicing, concatenation or repetition, and using in, not in, min() or max() on them is inefficient." -- wow |
| 17:58.25 | Tene_ | min, max, in, and not in should be trivial to optimize to be much *more* efficient on a range than on an arbitrary list. |
| 17:58.56 | Tene_ | slicing should be trivial, and they can't just convert to a list to concatenate? |
| 17:59.34 | elg | what lang? |
| 17:59.41 | Tene_ | python |
| 18:00.10 | elg | the snake knows best |
| 18:00.17 | Tene_ | eh? |
| 18:00.24 | elg | don't question the snake |
| 18:00.59 | elg | finds python full of arbitrary and, to my thinking, unwise design choices |
| 18:01.31 | elg | so I'm being facetious |
| 18:01.39 | Tene_ | Ah. |
| 18:01.59 | Tene_ | I've heard very similar statements made seriously recently. |
| 18:02.26 | elg | about gnome devs? ;-) |
| 18:02.47 | Tene_ | No, about the arbitrary and awkward python design choices. |
| 18:03.19 | elg | well i wasn't being facetious about that. I do think that. or do you mean "the snake knows best" |
| 18:03.27 | elg | s/the snake/guido/ |
| 18:03.37 | Tene_ | "the snake knows best" |
| 18:04.09 | Tene_ | "Oh, that's just the python way of doing things. It's hard to get your brain to think that way, but I'm sure it's actually better once you do. Because it's pythonic." |
| 18:04.36 | elg | doesn't buy it |
| 18:04.50 | Tene_ | I'm doubtful. |
| 18:04.55 | Tene_ | Giving it a chance, though. |
| 18:09.26 | sjansen | Oh, wow. http://www.hulu.com/watch/61736/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-tue-mar-10-2009#s-p1-so-i0 |
| 18:11.02 | sjansen | I wonder if Stewart got permission for the Dora the Explorer clip, or decided asking forgiveness would be easier. |
| 18:12.17 | zzzirk | doesn't viacom own both comedy central and nick jr.? that'd make it easier |
| 18:12.29 | zzzirk | I could be wrong but I thought they did |
| 18:16.14 | jessie | Heartsbane: Howdy |
| 18:16.31 | jessie | Nevermind.... I was quite behind on the IRC |
| 18:17.31 | jessie | oh good! evil time! |
| 18:17.35 | jessie | what the? |
| 18:17.36 | jessie | lol |
| 18:25.04 | Sargun | Does anyone know of a good tool to plot ping graphs? |
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| 18:43.44 | sjansen | Sargun: rrdtool |
| 18:44.43 | JoshH | smokeping |
| 18:45.03 | JoshH | (uses rrdtool) |
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| 19:02.34 | Sargun | sjansen, rrdtool is really bad at really high precisions |
| 19:03.02 | Tene_ | you're making a *graph* and you need extreme precision? |
| 19:04.21 | goozbach | meh, who cares how precise something is if it's accurate? |
| 19:04.24 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:04.36 | Tene_ | Sargun, apparently. |
| 19:05.01 | Sargun | I want to show jitter. |
| 19:11.34 | elg | you want a plot to show jitter? |
| 19:11.40 | elg | anything else, or just jitter? |
| 19:13.26 | elg | one way is (e.g. with gnuplot, though I think R has a plot type that makes it simpler to do) |
| 19:13.42 | elg | do a scatter plot with a random y value for each point |
| 19:13.55 | elg | and, if you want to get fancy, do a histogram over top |
| 19:15.32 | elg | http://imagebin.org/41264 |
| 19:15.32 | brac | [Imagebin - A place to slap up your images.] |
| 19:16.10 | elg | and http://imagebin.org/41266 |
| 19:16.11 | brac | [Imagebin - A place to slap up your images.] |
| 19:16.38 | elg | plot "random-points" u 1:(0.25*rand(0)-.35) |
| 19:21.16 | sjansen | Sargun: Fine. Blend mtr with Pango, Cairo. Season to taste with your own C. |
| 19:48.28 | manithree | SourceForge Announces Support for Git, Bazaar and Mercurial |
| 19:48.40 | manithree | Wonder what that will do SVN's market share |
| 19:54.24 | Sargun | sjansen, ok |
| 19:55.03 | sjansen | manithree: Probably not a lot. |
| 19:55.37 | sjansen | Everybody who cares deeply enough to notice has already switched to GitHub or Launchpad or some such. |
| 19:59.42 | elg | anybody with any sanity left hates sourceforge |
| 19:59.56 | elg | though i totally understand people too lazy to migrate away |
| 20:05.26 | goozbach | see, when I discovred trac, I decided to just host my own projects |
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| 20:25.23 | manithree | It was hard to get your project history before, so laziness wasn't the only momentum keeping people there |
| 20:35.00 | Sargun | elg, No, their CDN services are nice. |
| 20:35.30 | elg | what services are those? |
| 20:55.27 | Heartsbane | Does anyone have a recommendation for a local ITSP? |
| 20:57.52 | jsmith | ArrivalTel? |
| 20:58.07 | jsmith | XMission? |
| 20:58.13 | jsmith | (There aren't that many in Utah) |
| 20:59.28 | Heartsbane | XMission is a ITSP? |
| 20:59.49 | Heartsbane | jsmith: any good national providers or recommendations |
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