| 00:03.05 | clos | maybe the guy was a robber and she was destroying his living? |
| 00:03.36 | bonez451 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.06 | tarrant | The day time sllug is tomorrow right? |
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| 01:18.03 | Sargun_Screen | bonez451: hey |
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| 01:18.53 | Sargun_Screen | you need to take all other media out of the system |
| 01:18.53 | Sargun_Screen | try reinstalling grub |
| 01:19.32 | bonez451 | Sargun_Screen: hi there.. |
| 01:20.01 | bonez451 | I only have my one SATA 80 gb drive.. I removed the power and data cables from the other two drives. |
| 01:20.22 | bonez451 | I boot up with knoppix live cd.. and then run qtparted and it doesn't show any hard drives... |
| 01:20.37 | bonez451 | I think it's a sata thing.. system can't recognize the sata drive in it.. |
| 01:20.39 | bonez451 | why though? |
| 01:21.49 | `Jackie | i'm about to get my associates in IT |
| 01:22.17 | `Jackie | I want so bad to know everything about networking, etc |
| 01:23.38 | Sargun_Screen | bonez451: do you have your ios set to ahci mode? |
| 01:23.47 | Sargun_Screen | check all your connectors |
| 01:23.55 | Sargun_Screen | is the drive spinning up? |
| 01:24.21 | bonez451 | ahci mode? not sure what that is.. |
| 01:24.26 | Sargun_Screen | `Jackie: were we meant to take those two statements together? |
| 01:24.42 | Sargun_Screen | bonez451: go to your BIOS, set it to AHCI |
| 01:24.57 | `Jackie | Sargun_Screen: what? |
| 01:25.05 | Sargun_Screen | `Jackie: just out of curiousity, how old are you |
| 01:25.11 | `Jackie | 22 |
| 01:25.46 | Sargun_Screen | were we meant to take the comment that getting an associates degree in IT would make you learn everything about networking |
| 01:25.57 | `Jackie | lol, no |
| 01:26.01 | `Jackie | but i would like to know everything |
| 01:26.08 | `Jackie | The associates would help |
| 01:26.14 | `Jackie | get my foot in the door anyway |
| 01:26.19 | Sargun_Screen | not really |
| 01:26.28 | Sargun_Screen | what are you doing right now? |
| 01:26.38 | `Jackie | unemployed atm |
| 01:26.53 | `Jackie | was laid off... I was doing IT sales before... which made me want to become an engineer |
| 01:26.58 | Sargun_Screen | what were you doing |
| 01:27.22 | `Jackie | so, I know a little about Linux and Novell software |
| 01:27.30 | `Jackie | and Symantec and Messaging Architects |
| 01:28.04 | Sargun_Screen | you were an SE; or just a sales guy? |
| 01:28.11 | `Jackie | Inside Sales |
| 01:28.33 | `Jackie | SE is Sales Engineer to you, right? No, I wasn't that |
| 01:28.34 | Sargun_Screen | hm |
| 01:28.53 | Sargun_Screen | what is SE to other people? |
| 01:29.21 | `Jackie | CE is Client Executive... so SE could be Sales Executive |
| 01:29.39 | Sargun_Screen | learn networking on your own, don't expect school to teach you anything. |
| 01:30.03 | `Jackie | good advise |
| 01:30.04 | Sargun_Screen | get a bunch of unix boxes, and a couple switches |
| 01:30.06 | `Jackie | how are you? |
| 01:30.21 | `Jackie | lmao... yeah, I have an idea about networking |
| 01:30.30 | `Jackie | I meant: How old are you? |
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| 01:36.51 | `Jackie | hi sinuhe |
| 01:37.15 | sinuhe | `Jackie: hi |
| 01:39.53 | Sargun_Screen | 18 9 weeks 3 days |
| 01:40.31 | sinuhe | `Jackie: How are things in Kansas? |
| 01:40.44 | `Jackie | Sargun_Screen, you sound older |
| 01:40.51 | `Jackie | sinuhe: Utah.. |
| 01:41.53 | sinuhe | `Jackie: Ah, I see. Comcast. |
| 01:42.07 | sinuhe | My mistake. |
| 01:43.04 | levi | Wow, people are talking here! |
| 01:43.14 | sinuhe | levi: That's unusual? |
| 01:43.36 | `Jackie | yeah, it's free to me too :) |
| 01:44.59 | Sargun_Screen | thanks... I guess? |
| 01:45.32 | levi | Lately, I haven't seen too many people talking when I've checked the window. |
| 01:45.45 | levi | unum: They won't date you because you're an evil Democrat. ;) |
| 01:46.55 | levi | There are good networking classes at school, depending on the school you go to. |
| 01:47.17 | tarrant | Freebsd is adding virtualized network stacks to their jails. You could theoretically get a box, and make a whole bunch of jails and create a psuedo network to learn in. |
| 01:49.09 | levi | I have a fun network problem to debug. |
| 01:50.22 | levi | At my office, there's a team developing a program called System Architect that helps people with installed audio systems manage all their audio equipment. It's got a TCP/USB/Serial-based network protocol called HiQnet that it uses to talk to all its managed devices. |
| 01:50.42 | tarrant | levi: where do you work? |
| 01:50.51 | levi | tarrant: Harman International. |
| 01:52.43 | levi | Anyway, I'm working on a different team, which is developing Ethernet AVB code for our equipment manufacturing teams to integrate into their products, and I've been working with the first couple of products to be designed. One of them is having an odd interaction with HiQnet. |
| 01:55.24 | levi | It'll take slightly longer to respond to a TCP packet with an ACK than the other end is expecting, causing the other end to retransmit. Sometimes this will set off a chain reaction, where both ends end up retransmitting and doing exponential backoff, which causes performance to seriously degrade. |
| 01:56.01 | levi | It's very bizarre, and I haven't had a chance to really dig into it yet. |
| 02:01.30 | Sargun_Screen | there was a guy in here with a lot of analysis of tcp breakage |
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| 02:03.49 | levi | Fortunately I have the source code to the network driver, tcp stack, etc. |
| 02:06.07 | Sargun_Screen | of bsd? |
| 02:08.52 | levi | No. |
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| 02:40.58 | findlay | hello |
| 02:42.42 | toofer_ | 'sup? |
| 02:43.07 | sinuhe | Ceiling, presently. |
| 02:44.47 | findlay | so, I'm using vim and I have expandtab set, yet when vim autoindents for me it inserts a tab |
| 02:44.51 | findlay | why is this happening |
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| 02:48.39 | sinuhe | Visual representation of a single tab character using spaces is dangerous. |
| 02:50.30 | sinuhe | Having said that: set expandtab set ts=3 set sw=3 (assuming 3 characters is your preference) |
| 02:50.51 | findlay | sinuhe: yes, but not directly related to my problem. I'm not using tabs. Only recently has vim started auto inserting tabs when it autoindents when I have explicitly told it to use spaces |
| 02:50.52 | sinuhe | s/expandtab/et/ |
| 02:51.12 | findlay | my tab philosophy is to use them only when necessary, eg. Makefiles |
| 02:52.03 | sinuhe | findlay: What is the output of "set" run by itself from ex? |
| 02:52.36 | unum | levi: actually the real problem is I see them all as arrogant republicans |
| 02:52.50 | unum | "if everyone would just live life like me they wouldn't have any problems" |
| 02:53.14 | unum | "other people being gay is going to make it so God punishes me" |
| 02:53.44 | findlay | sinuhe: it's got expandtab in there |
| 02:54.26 | levi | unum: I.e. you are an evil Democrat. ;) |
| 02:54.54 | sinuhe | findlay: That's not what I'm looking for. |
| 02:55.09 | findlay | sinuhe: what were you looking for? |
| 02:55.23 | sinuhe | findlay: I'll know it when I see the set output. |
| 02:55.30 | sinuhe | gambles |
| 02:55.49 | sinuhe | I'll admit that vim is not so much my forte as original vi/nvi is. |
| 02:57.03 | findlay | sinuhe: here's the dung heap you requested: http://paste.lisp.org/display/76797 |
| 02:58.37 | eightyeight | findlay: if i have an hp49g+, would it be worth the upgrade to get the 50g? |
| 02:58.47 | findlay | yes |
| 02:58.47 | eightyeight | i've heard the keyboard is considerably better |
| 02:58.59 | findlay | it is |
| 02:59.06 | findlay | firmware too |
| 02:59.33 | findlay | I wouldn't say the keyboard is considerably better, but it is better |
| 02:59.47 | eightyeight | not as noisy? |
| 02:59.48 | findlay | nowhere near the old 48g |
| 02:59.56 | findlay | about the same |
| 02:59.58 | eightyeight | well, that was perfection |
| 03:00.55 | sinuhe | findlay: That looks like a configuration I would expect to give the behaviour you want. Since there's several things there that look vim specific, it is possible I'm over looking something ignorantly. What, exactly, is it you do when you get a tab vs not get a tab character? |
| 03:01.48 | findlay | vim only just recently started inserting tabs when it was inserting spaces before |
| 03:02.11 | findlay | so I'm guessing there's a new interpretation of the configuration or something in the latest deb package |
| 03:03.16 | sinuhe | findlay: Debian or Ubuntu (or other?) and what version did you go from/to. |
| 03:03.17 | sinuhe | ? |
| 03:04.05 | levi | eightyeight: I was just playing with my 48G. I love it. |
| 03:04.51 | findlay | sinuhe: debian |
| 03:05.05 | sinuhe | Lenny? |
| 03:05.25 | findlay | unstable |
| 03:05.35 | sinuhe | Ah...can't help you there. |
| 03:05.36 | eightyeight | levi: i love my 48g. if only it had a cas installed, i'd have _no_ need for the 49 |
| 03:05.42 | findlay | I don't even know which version to whichever |
| 03:06.15 | sinuhe | I have Lenny with 1:7.1.314=3+lenny2 as my version for vim |
| 03:06.28 | sinuhe | (dpkg -l | grep ivm) |
| 03:06.28 | levi | eightyeight: What CAS stuff does the 49 do? |
| 03:06.32 | sinuhe | s/ivm/vim/ |
| 03:06.53 | findlay | I once had the potential time in order to learn the religious depths of debian packages, but fortunately, I don't now |
| 03:07.03 | findlay | and probably won't for several years |
| 03:07.14 | sinuhe | :-) So much to learn, so little time. |
| 03:07.19 | findlay | in fact, I probably shouldn't be squandering time on IRC anyway |
| 03:07.26 | sinuhe | Evil IRC! |
| 03:08.40 | sinuhe | wishes he knew the Debian equivalent of rpm -q --changelog. |
| 03:09.13 | findlay | I've got to very difficult midterms this week, a Shostakovich symphony to learn before rehearsal tomorrow, a book to read before class tomorrow, a court case to read before Thursday, and I have to do my laundry |
| 03:09.24 | findlay | two midterms |
| 03:09.31 | Sargun_Screen | what instrument do you play? |
| 03:09.41 | findlay | viola |
| 03:10.00 | Sargun_Screen | don't you have a fiance? can't you outsource the laundry there |
| 03:10.19 | levi | No wonder you haven't been on IRC much lately. :) |
| 03:11.22 | sinuhe | Aah! /usr/share/doc/vim-*/changelog* |
| 03:11.43 | findlay | Sargun_Screen: can I mail my laundry to you? Don't you do esoteric dotcom-reminiscent startup stuff like that? |
| 03:12.22 | findlay | Sargun_Screen.com: your housekeeping needs! |
| 03:12.56 | findlay | s/your/we take care of all your annoying/ |
| 03:13.14 | findlay | so like anyways |
| 03:15.10 | findlay | sinuhe: what do you see there? |
| 03:16.29 | sinuhe | findlay: My Lenny system doesn't show that vim has been changed in a few months, so you'll need to check that directory for the changelog. There's vim-common, vim-tiny, etc., depending on which install of vim you're using. |
| 03:16.34 | sinuhe | Start with vim-common |
| 03:17.38 | sinuhe | findlay: The Aah! was from answering my want regarding rpm -q --changelog. |
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| 03:20.55 | Tene | ... that's not good |
| 03:21.06 | Tene | I think I might have lost my scheme implementation for my presentation tomorrow |
| 03:21.14 | Tene | I wonder where I put it... it's not in the obvious place... |
| 03:21.23 | Tene | I knew I should have posted it to the internet sooner. |
| 03:21.49 | Tene | Yep, it's gone. |
| 03:22.04 | levi | Whoops. |
| 03:22.14 | levi | You have bad luck with this PLUG presentation thing. |
| 03:22.41 | Tene | So it seems. |
| 03:22.52 | Tene | Since I'm starting from scratch anyway, any requests? |
| 03:23.04 | goozbach | Tene: nothing an all-nighter can't fix |
| 03:23.49 | Tene | goozbach: Last time I wrote most of it in the lobby of the place I was stuck at before plug was going to start. |
| 03:24.04 | Tene | It's not going to take all night. |
| 03:26.03 | Tene | I could do scheme again. |
| 03:26.06 | Tene | Maybe lolcode. |
| 03:27.53 | Sargun_Screen | erlang |
| 03:29.28 | levi | Erlang is a bit heavy-duty. :) |
| 03:29.31 | levi | How about Prolog? |
| 03:29.45 | Sargun_Screen | or lisp if your sadistic |
| 03:30.10 | levi | ... |
| 03:30.54 | levi | I went to a summer camp after my junior year of high school at BYU that taught us Prolog. |
| 03:32.17 | levi | We got a t-shirt that said, 'Any Queries?' on the back. |
| 03:32.47 | Sargun_Screen | lol |
| 03:50.48 | bonez451 | Sargun_Screen: you mentions BIOS setting.. for AHCI.. what is that? |
| 03:58.20 | sinuhe | levi: What was your impression of Prolog? |
| 03:58.30 | bonez451 | here's my system.. I have one drive.. a sata.. 250 gb.. running ubuntu 8.04 lts.. it boots up and runs.. 2nd drive has 80 gb sata drive.. which shows in the BIOS.. with model #..but I can't boot that drive..and a third IDE drive.. it attempts to boot, but has a hosed win xp pro installation |
| 03:59.21 | levi | sinuhe: It's a rather different way to think about programming, but very useful for some things and general enough to work for just about anything once you figure it out. |
| 03:59.30 | Tene | Hmm. I don't know prolog. |
| 04:00.33 | sinuhe | Tene: http://www.gprolog.org/ |
| 04:00.35 | brac | [The GNU Prolog web site] |
| 04:00.40 | sinuhe | :-) |
| 04:01.05 | Tene | It wouldn't be the first language that I learned by writing a compiler for. |
| 04:01.06 | Tene | :) |
| 04:01.30 | sinuhe | Tene: An interesting reaction to a URL... |
| 04:02.14 | Sargun_Screen | lolcode? |
| 04:02.22 | Sargun_Screen | i guess that's a yess |
| 04:02.39 | Tene | sinuhe: I'm giving a "write a compiler with the parrot compiler toolkit" presentation at PLUG tomorrow, and I've managed to delete my scheme implementation I wrote for the last attempt |
| 04:02.58 | Tene | so I was asking for requests on language to implement |
| 04:03.09 | sinuhe | Tene: Ouch |
| 04:03.10 | Tene | levi suggested prolog |
| 04:03.21 | Sargun_Screen | I second levi |
| 04:03.38 | sinuhe | Tene: Oh, I see. Sorry for missing that. |
| 04:03.48 | Tene | s'okay |
| 04:04.06 | Tene | Prolog is a lot more than just a grammar for defining and calling functions, though. |
| 04:04.33 | Tene | the constraint solver and such is rather outside of Parrot's scope. |
| 04:04.41 | sinuhe | Scheme seems like more fun. |
| 04:05.18 | Tene | lolcode is the other easy option |
| 04:08.04 | Sargun_Screen | Java? |
| 04:08.17 | Tene | Ew. I have bad memories of Java. |
| 04:09.42 | Sargun_Screen | haha |
| 04:10.12 | Sargun_Screen | ok, what about BASIC? |
| 04:10.36 | Sargun_Screen | it'll be a throwback to better times for many of the LUGgers |
| 04:10.47 | Tene | hmm |
| 04:10.52 | levi | lolcode is easy but stupid. Scheme is cool. |
| 04:11.48 | sinuhe | BASIC sucks. |
| 04:12.38 | sinuhe | Tene: JAVA implementations suck. I haven't decided about the language, yet. |
| 04:13.08 | Tene | sinuhe: the JVM is pretty good these days. much better than it used to be. |
| 04:15.02 | sinuhe | Tene: OK. They suck less. |
| 04:15.03 | sinuhe | :-) |
| 04:15.07 | Tene | :) |
| 04:18.14 | levi | Tene: You could do RPL, the HP48 calculator programming language. |
| 04:18.25 | Tene | Hmm. That might be fun. |
| 04:19.02 | levi | It's got some aspects of forth and lisp to it. |
| 04:19.17 | Tene | except I've never seen an HP48 |
| 04:20.18 | levi | You can download the advanced users guide, which covers programming, from hpcalc.org in the misc documentation section. |
| 04:21.09 | Tene | http://lists.osuosl.org/pipermail/darcs-users/2009-March/018239.html -- ouch |
| 04:21.10 | brac | [[darcs-users] About darcs darcs repo as an darcs usage example...] |
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| 04:36.40 | levi | Tene: That's sad. I like the idea of darcs. |
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| 04:38.44 | levi | Sweet, RPL has lexically scoped local variables. |
| 04:40.50 | levi | It appears to also have dynamically scoped local variables, which it calls 'compiled local variables' for some reason. |
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| 05:33.47 | findlay | I'm consistently amazed by how etrocious blackboard is every time I have to use it |
| 05:35.56 | findlay | what's more depressing/amusing is how people seem to think it's the greatest piece of enterprise since William Shatner (no offense to him) |
| 05:37.38 | findlay | it's depressing that people who don't know squat about nothing somehow expect that the students of higher education in the state of Utah need it, that they have to squander millions of state money on garbage software |
| 05:40.25 | Tene | man, why are my cats so obsessed with getting into my bedroom? |
| 05:40.51 | findlay | depressing that people accept junkware because of it's self declared narcissistic enterpriseness when really, it looks and feels like a disheveled jumble of junk java dropped 50 stories onto concrete |
| 05:41.49 | Tene | Okay, time to stop screwing around and write a scheme compiler! |
| 05:41.54 | Tene | GO SCHEME! |
| 05:41.55 | Sargun | Tene, what are you porting |
| 05:41.57 | Sargun | oh, scheme |
| 05:42.01 | findlay | ah, scheme |
| 05:42.03 | Tene | Sargun: I'm not porting anything. |
| 05:42.05 | Sargun | no, you already did scheme, do something else |
| 05:42.14 | Sargun | brainfuck |
| 05:42.16 | findlay | I remember the days when I had the luxury to think of scheme compilers |
| 05:42.17 | Tene | NO YUO |
| 05:42.24 | Tene | There's already a bf for parrot |
| 05:42.48 | Tene | findlay: come ot my Parrot presentation at PLUG tomorrow and see it |
| 05:42.51 | Sargun | YUO? |
| 05:43.04 | Tene | Yes. |
| 05:43.22 | findlay | Tene: no time, man |
| 05:43.34 | findlay | I'm booked from 8 to 10 |
| 05:43.42 | findlay | that's a typical wednesday |
| 05:43.55 | Tene | laaaaaaaame |
| 05:44.01 | findlay | I seriously need more hermit time |
| 05:44.02 | Tene | findlay: is this a problem that arson could fix? |
| 05:44.23 | Sargun | do you guys broadcast PLUG? |
| 05:44.38 | Tene | Sargun: I hear fozzmoo often records it. |
| 05:44.51 | Tene | I think Clint might have broadcasted it once or twice. |
| 05:44.53 | fozzmoo | Yep. |
| 05:44.53 | findlay | and then he broadcasts it into space |
| 05:44.53 | Tene | Maybe. |
| 05:44.56 | Sargun | oh, you guys should broadcast it. |
| 05:45.01 | findlay | into space! |
| 05:45.03 | Sargun | over the intarwabs. |
| 05:45.07 | fozzmoo | it's almost always streamed live |
| 05:45.10 | findlay | no, into space! |
| 05:45.19 | fozzmoo | and then captured for http://podcast.utos.org/ |
| 05:45.25 | fozzmoo | But, yeah, I videotape. |
| 05:45.30 | fozzmoo | and plan to do so tomorrow. |
| 05:45.51 | findlay | do you hide the plans in the escape podcast? |
| 05:46.31 | fozzmoo | sends findlay into space |
| 05:47.13 | findlay | r u guys still at omnivoriture? |
| 05:51.29 | fozzmoo | yep |
| 05:51.41 | Sargun | Tene, what about forth? |
| 05:51.42 | fozzmoo | Man. I didn't know Bruce Momjian was w/ EnterpriseDB |
| 05:51.55 | fozzmoo | What a sad, sad thing. |
| 05:51.55 | Tene | Sargun: I don't know anything about Forth. |
| 05:52.03 | Sargun | Hm, bash? |
| 05:52.04 | findlay | what about backth |
| 05:52.07 | findlay | bath? |
| 05:52.39 | findlay | fozzmoo: obviously you need more Enterprise(R) in your life |
| 05:53.01 | findlay | heretoforeafter you shall be known as fozzEntermooPrise(R) |
| 05:54.01 | Sargun | ~lart fozzEntermooPris |
| 05:54.01 | ibot | executes killall -KILL fozzEntermooPris |
| 05:54.35 | Sargun | ~kiss fozzmoo |
| 05:54.36 | ibot | ACTION forces fozzmoo to give jnbek a big kiss on the ear |
| 05:54.54 | fozzmoo | yum. ear wax. |
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| 05:55.04 | Sargun | !say fozzmoo sucks |
| 05:55.04 | Sargun_bot | fozzmoo sucks |
| 05:55.20 | Sargun | !say I'm written in Erlang |
| 05:55.20 | Sargun_bot | I'm written in Erlang |
| 05:56.01 | toofer_ | hey, does anyone know off the top of their head if xchat still comes with Fedora? |
| 05:56.10 | fozzmoo | checks |
| 05:56.21 | fozzmoo | I'm pretty sure it does... |
| 05:56.25 | fozzmoo | Yeah. It's there. |
| 05:56.39 | fozzmoo | It's in the fedora repo. |
| 05:58.24 | toofer_ | k, thanks. I'll check again. |
| 05:58.37 | Sargun | what _simple_ command should I implement for my bot? |
| 05:59.13 | toofer_ | uh, how about bot? |
| 05:59.23 | toofer_ | or do |
| 06:00.45 | Sargun | huh? |
| 06:00.52 | Sargun | what's do? |
| 06:01.13 | tarrant | return the time and day? |
| 06:01.22 | toofer_ | Just throwing out possibilities. |
| 06:01.37 | toofer_ | Like 'for f in * do' |
| 06:01.58 | toofer_ | maybe I misunderstood |
| 06:02.46 | findlay | Sargun: why don't you have it eval system commands from irc? |
| 06:02.58 | findlay | that way we can all check up on your server while you're away |
| 06:03.08 | Sargun | heheh |
| 06:04.05 | findlay | "sargun's_bot: rm -rf /" |
| 06:04.30 | findlay | that wouldn't be too hard :) |
| 06:04.42 | findlay | anyway |
| 06:04.46 | findlay | sleeps |
| 06:04.53 | findlay | ~lart yesterday |
| 06:04.53 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, yesterday, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 06:05.02 | findlay | where is Supaplex when you need him? |
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| 06:06.13 | Sargun | !reload |
| 06:06.14 | Sargun | !say hi |
| 06:06.15 | Sargun_bot | hi |
| 06:06.17 | Sargun | !time |
| 06:06.17 | Sargun_bot | Invalid Request |
| 06:06.32 | tarrant | Nifty |
| 06:06.32 | Sargun | uhm.. |
| 06:06.34 | Sargun | !time |
| 06:06.34 | Sargun_bot | Invalid Request |
| 06:06.38 | Sargun | !reload |
| 06:06.40 | Sargun | !time |
| 06:06.40 | Sargun_bot | Date: {2009,3,10} {23,11,16} |
| 06:06.42 | Sargun | Ok. |
| 06:06.43 | Sargun | nifty. |
| 06:06.49 | jessie | hey |
| 06:07.50 | jessie | actually, i'm gonna go to bed now |
| 06:07.59 | jessie | night all |
| 06:08.07 | tarrant | night Jessie |
| 06:08.34 | jessie | tarrant: night. |
| 06:09.43 | Sargun | that's pretty nifty, isn't it? |
| 06:09.47 | Sargun | what else should I implement? |
| 06:10.57 | Sargun | time_cmd(Conn, Dst) -> |
| 06:10.57 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.57 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.57 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.57 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.58 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.00 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.02 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.04 | Sargun | That's all the cost behind it too. |
| 06:11.06 | Sargun | code |
| 06:13.00 | tarrant | Sargun: message holding system. Tell it a message and then it will wait for that person to log on to replay the message to them. |
| 06:13.16 | Sargun | that's a bit more difficult... |
| 06:13.22 | tarrant | it is. |
| 06:13.54 | Sargun | what if the person is online at the time? |
| 06:14.53 | tarrant | Then the easy solution is to hold it until they log off and come back on. |
| 06:15.21 | tarrant | The hard solution is to replay it instantly. Though I think the easy one is more practical, because you can then leave messages for yourself as a reminder. |
| 06:15.47 | Tene | No. Wait until you see output from the user. Not just logging in. |
| 06:15.50 | Tene | Reconnects happen. |
| 06:17.30 | Sargun | tarrant, and PM it to the target? |
| 06:18.44 | tarrant | Sargun: sure, how ever you want it to work. |
| 06:19.19 | Sargun | ok, I'll do that tonight |
| 06:29.01 | Tene | The one issue with using scheme is that I can't show off PGE's optable stuff. |
| 06:29.06 | Tene | For dealing with operator tables. |
| 06:53.48 | Tene | Anyone know what standard scheme for 'say' or 'print' is? |
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| 07:54.49 | Sargun | tarrant, you awake? |
| 07:54.59 | Sargun | well, tarrant or Tene |
| 07:55.17 | Tene | I am. |
| 07:55.54 | Sargun | I'm working on the store and forward thing |
| 07:56.29 | Sargun | I can break it into two sections, and have it so if the receiver is sending a message to himself, it'll work |
| 07:56.45 | Sargun | is it worth the extra (20% extra) code to do that in your opinion? |
| 07:57.26 | Sargun | would it be significantly more impressive? |
| 08:00.32 | Tene | not significantly more impressive |
| 08:00.35 | Tene | I'd do it anyway, though. |
| 08:00.46 | Tene | http://github.com/tene/steme/tree/c0ff403b35409f679aee1e6ecddac75df659c856/t -- some basics are working |
| 08:00.53 | Tene | about an hour of work |
| 08:09.33 | Sargun | !reload |
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| 09:39.56 | elg | -chat go to |
| 09:39.57 | brac | go to the galaxy, built giant buildings with 42 engraved into the database. It was two average looking dudes |
| 09:40.05 | elg | -chat go to |
| 09:40.05 | brac | go to bed too |
| 09:40.09 | elg | yeah, that one |
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| 11:56.11 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 11:56.11 | brac | gives emcnabb a melvin |
| 11:56.21 | elg | put a picture of that up on facebook |
| 12:12.40 | emcnabb | so funny |
| 12:33.24 | elg | ~laugh |
| 12:33.24 | ibot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 12:37.09 | elg | ~whip emcnabb preemptively |
| 12:37.09 | ibot | ACTION takes emcnabb preemptively outside to be thoroughly whipped by elg |
| 12:37.38 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap elg |
| 12:37.38 | ibot | ACTION beats elg upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 13:21.00 | Sargun | emcnabb, good morning. |
| 13:21.15 | emcnabb | morning |
| 13:21.27 | Sargun | Are you still working in Redhat support? |
| 13:21.49 | emcnabb | yes, but will be moving to a different division next month |
| 13:22.10 | Sargun | Oh, awesome, where? |
| 13:22.27 | emcnabb | Kernel QA |
| 13:23.00 | Sargun | Oh, wow, that sounds pretty fun |
| 13:23.21 | Sargun | I was going to sympathize with you.. I recently had to debug some super-paranoid customer's RHEL install |
| 13:23.35 | Sargun | So, we couldn't SSH in |
| 13:23.43 | Sargun | it was painful |
| 13:29.20 | Sargun | Alright, time to head to work, yay. |
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| 14:28.44 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 14:28.44 | brac | casts tensai into the fires of Mt. Doom |
| 14:33.47 | tensai | elg: I've been punished enough by ubuntu 8.10 |
| 14:34.04 | tensai | it seems that x isn't stable on my laptop |
| 14:34.25 | tensai | it's more stable with gnome than kde, but occasionally I get segfaults |
| 14:34.26 | tensai | lame |
| 14:37.25 | elg | have you tried a more boring x server? like nv or vesa |
| 14:38.02 | tensai | it's an intel card, so nv obviously won't fly. I tried vesa and X would just sit there. no error, but no display either. |
| 14:43.59 | elg | bummer |
| 14:44.05 | elg | get yoself a real video card |
| 14:44.18 | elg | isn't th eintel one open source? |
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| 14:55.48 | tensai | elg: yeah, I think the intel driver is open source |
| 14:56.44 | elg | thinks firefox should autodetect broken charset encodings |
| 14:57.07 | elg | like, if you see dozens of ââ in latin1 encoding, it's probably latin1 |
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| 15:19.52 | elg | -chat my dog |
| 15:19.52 | brac | my dog bit your foot |
| 15:19.58 | elg | my dog ate my homework |
| 15:20.00 | elg | -chat my dog |
| 15:20.01 | brac | my dog << manteca |
| 15:20.45 | jsmith | You named your dog "butter"? |
| 15:21.04 | nan0meter | My homework ate your dog |
| 15:21.10 | nan0meter | Tasted like butter |
| 15:21.55 | jsmith | nan0meter: Oh, as in "Cat... the other white meat?" |
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| 15:26.20 | nan0meter | MMmmm... buttered cat |
| 15:26.40 | nan0meter | Buttered Cat. Sounds like a band. |
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| 15:31.24 | Sargun | Mhmm, cats. |
| 15:33.16 | Jayce^ | elg: enjoying some afro-celt today? |
| 15:36.43 | elg | oh yeah |
| 15:36.44 | elg | flow music |
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| 15:49.03 | Sargun | any ideas to this: [root@racq-new ~]# pvscan |
| 15:49.03 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.11 | Sargun | but I've got: |
| 15:49.12 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.13 | Sargun | /dev/sdc1 1 10443 83883366 8e Linux LVM |
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| 15:49.54 | elg | do you have the modules loaded? |
| 15:50.23 | Sargun | looks at dmesg |
| 15:54.16 | Sargun | d'oh. |
| 15:54.20 | Sargun | the drive is borken |
| 15:55.33 | elg | i guess he didn't find Sargun attractive enough |
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| 16:06.55 | Tene_ | Me: "Upgrading the bios can't be done remotely." Him: "Let me know when you will be visiting, or, if you want to do it remotely, you should already have access via VPN." |
| 16:07.26 | nan0meter | *doh* |
| 16:07.47 | elg | Me: "Let me know when you buy the plane tickets |
| 16:08.17 | Tene_ | It's only about an hour drive. |
| 16:08.51 | elg | can't you still get a plane ride out of it? |
| 16:08.53 | elg | small plane |
| 16:09.56 | Tene_ | Heh. |
| 16:11.35 | Tene_ | They won't even pay for a second drive for RAID. |
| 16:15.37 | elg | tell them you don't need redundant landing gear |
| 16:23.37 | Sargun | Tene_, my bot has the capability now |
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| 16:32.02 | Sargun | !mboxsend Tene_ testing123 |
| 16:32.06 | Sargun | Tene_, say something |
| 16:34.21 | Tene_ | No. |
| 16:34.36 | Tene_ | yes, it worked |
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| 16:40.42 | Sargun | Tene_, only issue is case |
| 16:40.42 | Sargun | I wrote it in all of about 3 hours. |
| 16:40.43 | Sargun | Too long |
| 16:40.43 | elg | hates sourceforge |
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| 16:40.43 | fozzmoo | elg: I prefer sf.net |
| 16:40.43 | fozzmoo | It's much less to type. |
| 16:40.43 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 16:47.11 | elg | either way |
| 16:47.24 | elg | anyone else seeing sf downloads failing to finish downloading in ff? |
| 16:47.45 | elg | and of course ff tries to clean it up when you click on the x, so all the time downloading is lost (no download resume) |
| 16:48.03 | elg | but if I ln the file before stopping the download, then stop the download, the resulting file is 100% complete |
| 16:48.15 | elg | but ff would have sat there until the cows come home with "a few seconds remaining" |
| 16:48.27 | elg | only sf.net has this problem |
| 16:48.51 | elg | sends an internet and a facebook to emcnabb's email |
| 16:49.28 | emcnabb | elg, darn you |
| 16:52.31 | maquis | emcnabb: long time no see... |
| 16:52.35 | maquis | how've you been? |
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| 16:53.19 | emcnabb | doing pretty well |
| 16:53.28 | emcnabb | prepping for the new kid on the way |
| 16:58.31 | Sargun | emcnabb, is that number 1 or 2? |
| 16:58.41 | Sargun | Tene_, I'm thinking of building a natural language graph. |
| 16:59.01 | maquis | emcnabb: wow! boy or girl |
| 16:59.02 | maquis | ? |
| 16:59.03 | Sargun | Tene_, I'm not completely sure how to build it though, rather how to tokenize human language |
| 16:59.11 | emcnabb | #2, boy |
| 16:59.15 | maquis | fun! |
| 16:59.17 | maquis | when's he due? |
| 16:59.21 | emcnabb | May 23rd |
| 16:59.29 | maquis | exciting! |
| 16:59.41 | Jayce^ | emcnabb spawned again.. crap.. |
| 16:59.58 | emcnabb | Jayce^, more McNabbs... you're doomed |
| 17:00.10 | Jayce^ | seriously... another one of the horesman is coming |
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| 17:25.04 | Sargun | !say You're doomed |
| 17:25.04 | Sargun_bot | You're doomed |
| 17:25.24 | Sargun | Tene_, It's all built on top of a transactional database |
| 17:25.48 | fozzmoo | ooooh. transactional database! Soon we'll be riding a space elevator! |
| 17:26.45 | maquis | -chat !You're |
| 17:26.45 | brac | !You're did |
| 17:26.53 | maquis | -chat !say |
| 17:26.53 | brac | !say went |
| 17:26.53 | Sargun_bot | went |
| 17:31.20 | maquis | -chat emcnabb is |
| 17:31.21 | brac | emcnabb is "all made of titanium, so it's ok to steal, the government at least over there, so if you have $1 million to spend fixing global warming, though... it seems that Debian was updated more often and certainly not with math in them, though |
| 17:38.55 | Sargun | fozzmoo, mhmm. |
| 17:39.02 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Over engineering is fun. |
| 17:44.00 | tensai | my cpu seems to be stuck at half speed |
| 17:45.19 | Jayce^ | fetch me some 30-weight oil and some ball bearings.. |
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| 18:28.11 | tensai | this x server crashing is getting really old |
| 18:28.28 | tensai | I've resorted to running a vncserver and connecting to it locally |
| 18:28.41 | Tene_ | Nice. |
| 18:29.03 | tensai | gnome doesn't really like that much. randr is missing so it looks like butt. |
| 18:29.23 | Tene_ | what are you trying to rotate or reflect? |
| 18:29.37 | tensai | and the settings daemon refuses to run so my shortcut keys are hosed |
| 18:29.50 | tensai | Tene_: I'm not, but it appears that because randr is running the theme won't work |
| 18:29.57 | tensai | s/running/missing/ |
| 18:30.00 | Tene_ | ... impressive fail |
| 18:31.49 | tensai | maybe it's not randr. maybe that's just a warning. the settings daemon complains that bonobo can't start. |
| 18:40.52 | goozbach | anyone here used centos 5.2 SELinux strict mode? |
| 18:41.10 | goozbach | I'm trying to build a Uberhardend box |
| 18:45.10 | Tene_ | I did in the classroom. |
| 18:45.16 | Tene_ | lab |
| 18:48.28 | Tene_ | goozbach: I'm curious to hear about your experiences as you try |
| 18:48.48 | Tene_ | goozbach: the main differences, iirc, is that strict mode also adds restrictions for user processes and such |
| 18:48.53 | Tene_ | the server stuff should be the same |
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| 18:50.16 | goozbach | ok |
| 18:50.22 | Jackie` | lo |
| 18:50.34 | goozbach | I'm just turning this box into an outbound mail bridgehead |
| 18:50.45 | goozbach | I've locked down the outbound interface really well |
| 18:51.08 | goozbach | it only allows inbound icmp queries, and smtp |
| 18:51.12 | elg | well, soaking my earbuds in water didn't help the low volume in the left ear |
| 18:51.23 | elg | but it didn't ruin them. (i let them drip dry a few days) |
| 18:51.25 | goozbach | all related,established traffic, and drops the rest |
| 18:55.56 | Sargun | goozbach, if anybody contacts the mail server, and fails to send an e-mail, or looks suspicious, send a 10 Gbit/sec DoS their way |
| 18:58.03 | tensai | elg: have you tried soaking your head? |
| 18:58.27 | RyanE | or allowing your head to drip dry for a few days? |
| 18:58.34 | goozbach | elg did you try switching the ear buds and seeing if the volume is an ear problem? |
| 18:58.45 | Jackie` | o_O |
| 18:58.50 | elg | goozbach: i thought of that. luckily it's the earbuds not my ear |
| 18:58.51 | RyanE | and try them with a different device to ensure it's an earbud problem? |
| 18:58.56 | elg | that too |
| 18:58.58 | elg | definitely the earbuds |
| 18:59.00 | levi | elg: You could buy some new earbuds. :) |
| 18:59.03 | RyanE | wow, you're uber-thorough. :) |
| 18:59.10 | tensai | levi: that sounds very unlike him |
| 18:59.14 | elg | or i could just buy some earpads for my other headphones and use those. that's what I ddi |
| 18:59.26 | elg | but i was curious if washing them with water and soaking them would help |
| 18:59.32 | RyanE | or you could put some padding in the right ear, and turn the volume WAY up. |
| 18:59.40 | elg | figured it might be particulate matter or earwax in tehre |
| 18:59.47 | goozbach | elg: try hydrogen peroxide |
| 18:59.56 | goozbach | it disolves earwax real good |
| 18:59.57 | elg | goozbach: hey, good idea. |
| 19:00.00 | elg | it'll be fun in any case |
| 19:00.00 | tensai | RyanE: I like it |
| 19:00.15 | elg | RyanE: alas, the volume doesn't go that far up, at least not on my ipod |
| 19:00.32 | RyanE | elg: I don't know exactly how to solve your problem, but I'm sure duct tape will be involved in the final solution. :) |
| 19:00.34 | levi | I have these: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Reference-220-Headphone-Black/dp/B000LVBLL0 |
| 19:02.14 | Tene_ | I also do. I bought them at levi's recommendation. |
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| 19:05.05 | Jackie` | Curious, what is the scripting called that we use in mirc? Like in the Scripts Editor |
| 19:05.14 | elg | we use mirc? |
| 19:05.29 | Jackie` | no, but it has to have a proper name... like html |
| 19:05.30 | Tene_ | Jackie`: it's called 'mircscript' |
| 19:05.37 | Tene_ | it's only used in mirc |
| 19:05.41 | JoshH | i think you mean irssi, and the answer is perl |
| 19:05.50 | elg | -chat mirc is |
| 19:05.50 | brac | mirc is |
| 19:05.54 | elg | -chat what is |
| 19:05.54 | brac | what is 1B a branch that points to the family is worth mentioning if you wanted to stick gothic chants into movies now |
| 19:06.07 | elg | i totally want to do that. thanks |
| 19:06.15 | Tene_ | -chat fozz hates |
| 19:06.15 | brac | fozz hates |
| 19:06.18 | Tene_ | -chat fozz likes |
| 19:06.18 | brac | fozz likes |
| 19:06.28 | elg | feels like adam savage today |
| 19:06.33 | elg | this hypothesis is *busted* |
| 19:06.39 | elg | :-/ |
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| 19:08.29 | levi | I want a pair of these: http://jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=S4800 |
| 19:09.02 | elg | the tweeter on the nice monitor speakers at school is borked |
| 19:09.09 | elg | one of the speakers i should say |
| 19:09.18 | elg | so i only get low freqs from my right channel |
| 19:09.20 | levi | That would go perfectly with the Crown CTs 600 I've got at my desk. |
| 19:10.27 | elg | doesn't bother me much because i have them right next to each otehr and i sit by the left speaker (on its left actually) so the right channel isn't distinct |
| 19:10.32 | elg | but still a bumme |
| 19:11.43 | levi | You should get them to buy you some new JBL LSRs. |
| 19:18.14 | RyanE | elg: you should just pair your broken speakers with your broken earbuds. Perfect match. |
| 19:18.31 | RyanE | ok, yeah, too late for another earbud reference. So sue me... :) |
| 19:25.37 | elg | if only my monitor speakers were portable :) |
| 19:27.06 | maquis | my speakers at home are the JBL Creatures. they rock :) |
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| 19:55.51 | sjansen | http://auroraux.blastwave.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 19:57.47 | sjansen | http://news.ycombinator.com/ <-- So is supposed to be the Hacker News version of talk like a pirate day? |
| 20:01.10 | levi | So, at my desk now, I've got a pair of JBL Control 1 monitors and a pair of JBL Control 2P monitors. The 2Ps are powered speakers, while the Control 1s are driven by a huge Crown amp. Physically, the structure of the speakers is identical. |
| 20:01.27 | levi | The old Control 1s sound *SO MUCH* better. |
| 20:01.44 | levi | I'm sure the nice amp is the reason. |
| 20:01.45 | Tene_ | so why did they make the new ones less good? |
| 20:02.23 | levi | I think the Control 1s would sound the same if driven by the same internal amp. |
| 20:02.59 | sinuhe | http://devlog.bigmonachus.org/2009/03/lisp-after-python-after-lisp.html |
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| 20:06.12 | levi | I mean, the amp retails for around $2300. It'd better sound better than the amp in a $200 pair of powered speakers. |
| 20:12.09 | elg | sinuhe: so is your pseudolanguage lisp? |
| 20:15.55 | levi | Huh, Apple redesigned the Shuffle again. |
| 20:16.20 | levi | Still no display, and now no buttons either! |
| 20:16.26 | sinuhe | elg: I don't know, yet. |
| 20:16.38 | elg | heh |
| 20:16.43 | elg | so what, do you just shake it? |
| 20:16.50 | levi | But it's got buttons on the earbud cable and it's got a voice output feature that tells you what you're listening to. |
| 20:16.53 | elg | turned off shake on his ipod - too danged annoying |
| 20:21.10 | tarrant | I think I will pass. Not a big fan of the ipods anymore. |
| 20:27.54 | tarrant | and I'm not a big fan of voice interfaces. |
| 20:30.25 | Jayce^ | mrpull: you see that oregon trail was released? |
| 20:32.42 | jsmith | Jayce^: Oregon Trail? The old computer game? |
| 20:34.55 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 20:35.04 | Jayce^ | they just made a new Iphone/touch version of it |
| 20:35.53 | maquis | Jayce^: free? |
| 20:35.59 | Jayce^ | no |
| 20:36.02 | maquis | :( |
| 20:36.06 | maquis | how much? |
| 20:36.11 | Jayce^ | 5.99 |
| 20:39.33 | elg | i could buy a team of oxen for that price! |
| 20:41.20 | maquis | wants to know where elg buys his oxen |
| 20:41.29 | jsmith | And at least a few extra blankets! |
| 20:41.30 | elg | teh general store |
| 20:44.51 | maquis | is tempted |
| 20:45.40 | Jayce^ | oohh, you do fishing too :) |
| 20:46.30 | Jayce^ | and quests :) |
| 20:46.34 | Jayce^ | hunting is sure better |
| 20:47.54 | harleypig | I'm waiting for Angband for the Android. |
| 20:48.18 | tarrant | harleypig: you are my god. (and my brothers) |
| 20:48.41 | maquis | i've got rogue on my iphone, but i suck at rogue... i keep dying of hunger cuz nothing drops corpses... (i live on corpses in nethack) |
| 20:50.34 | tarrant | harleypig: I read that as "Im 'writing' angband for android" |
| 20:50.57 | tarrant | :( |
| 20:53.32 | elg | ~corpse maquis |
| 20:54.33 | Tene_ | sometime soon I'm going to pick up work on my roguelike again. |
| 20:57.36 | maquis | Tene_: cool! let me know when you've got it |
| 20:58.08 | maquis | one of the guys here at work has ascended numerous times in nethack.... i still haven't, but i guess i just haven't spent enough time on it |
| 20:58.10 | Tene_ | maquis: rather different from most other roguelikes. multiplayer, realtime. |
| 20:58.40 | maquis | Tene_: ah... interesting. scott and i were talking about ways to do that, but we couldnt' come up with good ways to handle certain things |
| 20:58.49 | fozzmoo | loves his Z-file interpreter for PalmOS. :) |
| 20:58.56 | maquis | pretty much, i don't like the idea of losing the turn-based nature :) |
| 20:59.11 | Tene_ | Yes, turn-based is a lot different from realtime. |
| 20:59.17 | maquis | and it would be hard to keep the idea of inherent differences in speed |
| 20:59.39 | Tene_ | Different actions take different amounts of time for different characters. |
| 21:00.06 | maquis | including just moving a space? |
| 21:00.08 | maquis | or attacking? |
| 21:00.10 | Tene_ | Yes. |
| 21:00.13 | fozzmoo | just got 4 books from Amazon - should probably have bought a Kindle and bought them electronic. |
| 21:00.20 | maquis | fozzmoo: yes, you should have :) |
| 21:00.29 | maquis | <3 her kindle |
| 21:00.50 | maquis | Tene_: yeah... interesting idea, though |
| 21:01.04 | elg | fozzmoo: http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/parchment/?story=trinity.js |
| 21:01.05 | brac | [Parchment] |
| 21:01.13 | fozzmoo | maquis: But then what would I stack on my nightstand?! |
| 21:01.27 | maquis | fozzmoo: you put your kindle there :) |
| 21:01.36 | maquis | and a nice booklight |
| 21:01.47 | fozzmoo | maybe if I got 4 or 5 kindles... I could stack them. :) |
| 21:02.10 | fozzmoo | elg: Niiiiiiice. |
| 21:02.28 | maquis | fozzmoo: the kindle 2 is really cool |
| 21:02.31 | elg | http://code.google.com/p/parchment/ |
| 21:02.41 | jsmith | I agree with maquis... the kindle 2 is really cool... |
| 21:02.51 | jsmith | I played with my dad's kindle all last week, and now I want one |
| 21:03.14 | maquis | a bunch of my friends have the kindle2. i was impatient and got a kindle back when there was a discount on them |
| 21:03.56 | maquis | the kindle 1 is reasonably ugly, but i still love it |
| 21:14.05 | elg | admits to being underwhelmed by the kindle 1, but the kindle 2 looks very nice |
| 21:15.37 | tensai | cross your fingers. I think I might have gotten X to stop crashing. |
| 21:15.43 | elg | what'd you do? |
| 21:16.19 | tensai | some xrandr magic. it looks like it was related to the vga port on my laptop. |
| 21:16.50 | jsmith | tensai: w00t! |
| 21:16.52 | tensai | but I'm not sure because I also found some info on an X bug in the intel driver. that one is supposed to be fixed in intrepid. |
| 21:17.50 | tensai | compiz was not playing nicely either. I can't seem to disable compositing in kde, so I'm stuck in gnome. |
| 21:18.25 | tensai | I think I've got gnome set up in a usable fashion, thanks to some pointers long ago by sjansen |
| 21:18.38 | tensai | elg: did you once complain about moving the tabs in gnome-terminal? |
| 21:18.52 | elg | moving the tabs? no I don't think so |
| 21:20.22 | tensai | apparently there's a 6 year old bug file against gnome-terminal requesting moveable tabs. numerous patches have been submitted. |
| 21:20.35 | tensai | but it seems the gnome developers don't see why you'd want to move the tabs |
| 21:21.01 | jsmith | tensai: I move tabs in Gnome-terminal all the time |
| 21:21.22 | tensai | I'd like them to be on the bottom rather than the top |
| 21:21.34 | tensai | jsmith: ah, you probably mean rearranging them |
| 21:21.48 | jsmith | tensai: Oh, *that* kind of moveable |
| 21:22.14 | tensai | yes, sorry for the confusion. I want the whole tab bar moved to the bottom |
| 21:23.26 | elg | gnome devs know best tensai |
| 21:24.15 | JoshH | does konsole allow that? |
| 21:24.39 | JoshH | uses rxvt-unicode daemon and clients, with no tabs |
| 21:24.41 | tensai | JoshH: dunno for sure. bottom is the default. |
| 21:25.12 | tensai | JoshH: yes, it does. they can go bottom or top. |
| 21:25.46 | elg | tensai: my pimped gnu screen has "tabs" on the bottom |
| 21:30.55 | elg | anyone here fit to debate nuances of n-fold cross validation with me? |
| 21:33.49 | harleypig | tarrant: tempting |
| 21:36.26 | tarrant | harleypig: If you decide to write it, I can get you a beta tester. |
| 21:38.32 | tensai | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7938001.stm |
| 21:38.34 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Battery that 'charges in seconds'] |
| 21:43.54 | tensai | http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h.res.224: |
| 21:43.55 | brac | [Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)] |
| 21:44.15 | tensai | bill to endorse Pi Day |
| 21:46.05 | elg | tensai: doesn't carry |
| 21:46.09 | elg | what is pi day? |
| 21:46.15 | tensai | 3.14 |
| 21:46.16 | elg | does it rely on the us ordering of dates? mm/dd/yy |
| 21:46.18 | tarrant | 3.14 March 14th |
| 21:47.06 | Jackie` | at 1:59pm |
| 21:47.13 | Jayce^ | elg: would be a little hard to have it the other way |
| 21:47.28 | Jayce^ | april only has 30 |
| 21:48.04 | Jackie` | what are you doing in honor of P Day? |
| 21:48.05 | Jackie` | Pi* |
| 21:48.24 | elg | tensai: that battery is cool sounding. |
| 21:49.48 | elg | my envelope says my laptop would charge in under 10 minutes |
| 21:50.10 | Jackie` | impressive |
| 21:50.32 | jsmith | Sounds more like an ultra-capacitor than a battery |
| 21:50.34 | Jackie` | my cellphone won't even do that |
| 21:50.59 | elg | your cellphone would presumably charge in just a couple minutes |
| 21:51.00 | elg | or less |
| 21:51.15 | Jackie` | how? |
| 21:51.19 | elg | jsmith: what is a battery but a slow-release (and usually slow-charge) capacitor? |
| 21:51.23 | elg | see tensai's link |
| 21:51.29 | Jackie` | oh |
| 21:52.04 | jsmith | elg: I see |
| 21:53.59 | elg | well technically a battery works differently than a capacitor, which works on the dielectric principle |
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| 22:16.28 | tensai | problem is in fact not solved. X crashed again. :'( |
| 22:16.38 | Jackie` | :( |
| 22:21.11 | tensai | I guess we'll see if xfce crashes too. I still think it's related to compositing. |
| 22:25.10 | JoshH | what about twm |
| 22:25.49 | tensai | twm hasn't crashed X so far, but it's an intermittent bug and I haven't used it long enough to know for sure |
| 22:26.05 | JoshH | do you have the intel x3100? |
| 22:27.02 | tensai | it's an Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller |
| 22:27.40 | tensai | I never had this problem with feisty, gutsy, or hardy |
| 22:28.54 | JoshH | i vaguely remember something about the new intel chipset and a driver bug, that was fixed in intrepid iirc, probably the same thing you already looked into |
| 22:29.43 | tensai | I did find one really long bug which is probably what you're referencing. I've got those updates and I'm still seeing the problem. |
| 22:30.34 | tensai | I'm considering trying out jaunty. my other option is to wipe and reinstall hardy. not excited about either choice. |
| 22:31.56 | JoshH | ugh |
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| 23:09.50 | fozzmoo | goozbach: So... what the heck is it? |
| 23:09.59 | fozzmoo | Looks like screen on 'roids. |
| 23:10.07 | goozbach | fozzmoo: it's a cool new irc client |
| 23:10.12 | goozbach | much improved from irssi |
| 23:10.31 | goozbach | the number one reason it won me over is it has native nicklists |
| 23:10.44 | goozbach | no screen/fifo hacks to get a nicklist |
| 23:10.52 | goozbach | it's highly customizable |
| 23:10.58 | goozbach | easy to configure |
| 23:11.02 | goozbach | pretty |
| 23:11.11 | goozbach | and activly being developed |
| 23:11.30 | mrpull2 | I've been using weechat + screen for about two years. good client |
| 23:11.32 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You rock for finding it! |
| 23:11.41 | fozzmoo | mrpull2: You suck for being all quiet about it! |
| 23:11.48 | goozbach | mrpull2: of course it's running under screen |
| 23:11.59 | goozbach | mrpull2: you running -dev or the stable version? |
| 23:12.02 | mrpull2 | suckers... I've mentioned it rocked in the past |
| 23:12.09 | mrpull2 | I'm probably out of date |
| 23:12.14 | fozzmoo | Now... |
| 23:12.19 | mrpull2 | I installed from source on my xmission shell acount a long time ago |
| 23:12.23 | fozzmoo | the primary reason I even use irssi is for the proxy support. |
| 23:12.29 | fozzmoo | Does weechat have something like that? |
| 23:12.33 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I'm not sure abot the proxy |
| 23:12.46 | fozzmoo | I primarily use pidgin for all my messaging. |
| 23:12.49 | goozbach | but it's got full python/perl/lua scripting support |
| 23:12.59 | goozbach | and you can write your own plugins in C |
| 23:13.11 | goozbach | and the folks in #weechat are really helpful |
| 23:13.41 | Tene_ | levi: ping |
| 23:13.56 | fozzmoo | Looks like there's a proxy! |
| 23:14.00 | mrpull2 | I too use pidgin, but generally keep a weechat in screen for quick a quick irc fix |
| 23:14.05 | fozzmoo | will be checking it out. |
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| 23:16.34 | mrpull | wtf... too many irc clients logged in at once :) |
| 23:20.31 | Supaplex | findlay: at midnight? asleep lately. |
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| 23:21.31 | mrpull | I just did a /upgrade |
| 23:21.40 | Supaplex | fun |
| 23:21.41 | mrpull | and it is saying I'm using 0.2.6 |
| 23:22.03 | mrpull | guessing it is the older version |
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| 23:28.16 | jasonpr | anyone have some recomendations for cheap COLO in Salt Lake City? |
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| 23:29.40 | Sargun_Screen | jasonpr: Xmission? |
| 23:32.39 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: xmission != cheap |
| 23:32.44 | goozbach | xmission == good |
| 23:33.37 | unum | ah he asked in here as well |
| 23:34.29 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: How much is a rack in Xmission? |
| 23:34.56 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: last I checked it was $50/RMU/Month + bandwidth plan |
| 23:35.16 | goozbach | ls |
| 23:35.23 | Sargun_Screen | that's not bad |
| 23:35.25 | maquis | file1 file2 |
| 23:35.54 | goozbach | Sargun_Screen: it's not cheapo colo |
| 23:35.58 | goozbach | it's good colo |
| 23:36.02 | jasonpr | that sounds good |
| 23:36.08 | jasonpr | thanks |
| 23:36.12 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: those are pretty cheap prices... |
| 23:36.54 | unum | it was higher last I checked |
| 23:37.01 | unum | but that was over a year ago |
| 23:37.52 | unum | jasonpr: btw the way the owner is lurking in the channel |
| 23:37.52 | Sargun_Screen | $75/rmu is considered reasonable. |
| 23:38.32 | unum | which should earn the company some bonus points :) |
| 23:38.37 | Sargun_Screen | the owner of Xmission if that was at all ambigious. |
| 23:38.52 | Sargun_Screen | jasonpr: you might want to hound him for a discount |
| 23:39.16 | unum | they have their own irc server so you can jump in there and talk to a sales rep |
| 23:39.31 | Sargun_Screen | Is this the stupidest picture, or what? http://xmission.com/assets/images/diagram-data_center.png |
| 23:40.09 | Sargun_Screen | and 10 GigE is where it is. |
| 23:44.29 | goozbach | decides to go home |
| 23:45.19 | goozbach | decides it is time |
| 23:45.31 | Supaplex | evals sleep(1h); |
| 23:47.36 | Sargun_Screen | one hour? |
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| 23:54.23 | Sargun_Screen | weird, HTTP isn't working, but SSH is. |
| 23:55.54 | goozbach | now to go home |
| 23:58.24 | Sargun_Screen | burns down goozbach's house -- what house? |
| 23:59.59 | maquis | sniffles |
