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| 02:44.12 | elg | anyone else see the font silliness in the caption of http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/04/gordon-brown-speech-us-congress |
| 02:46.01 | elg | http://imagebin.org/40031 |
| 02:46.01 | brac | [Imagebin - A place to slap up your images.] |
| 02:47.28 | elg | i didn't realize windows let alone ie had ligature support |
| 02:47.41 | elg | i wonder what font they specified (but not enough to look at the css) |
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| 04:23.18 | levi | Good evening. |
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| 04:27.33 | levi | What's up in #utah tonight? |
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| 06:23.12 | levi | bought the new U2 album as mp3s from Amazon for $4. |
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| 07:00.40 | findlay | made his wedding invitations with LaTeX |
| 07:00.47 | findlay | now tell me I'm cool |
| 07:17.30 | Tene | findlay: you're cool |
| 07:17.35 | Tene | ~findlay++ |
| 07:20.00 | findlay | yes |
| 07:20.03 | findlay | I knew it |
| 10:05.22 | tarrant | Is there any way in GDB to pause the program running without killing it? |
| 10:08.57 | tarrant | nvm, ^C does not actually kill, just interupt. |
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| 15:13.07 | herlo | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only |
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| 15:30.31 | elg | herlo: and what is that magazine exactly? |
| 15:34.32 | elg | how to format my hdd in linux? the format of linux? |
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| 16:08.32 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:08.33 | ibot | crushes pashdown with a full height scsi disk |
| 16:08.42 | pashdown | owch |
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| 16:22.10 | mrpull | mornin' |
| 16:22.21 | mrpull | (mournin'?) |
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| 16:33.28 | Sargun | Does anyone here have any good recommendations on embedded servers with a decent remote management interfaces, watchdog, two SATA channels, two GbE (preferably intel) ports, low cost, and low power usage? |
| 16:46.37 | sjansen | How do most Debian uses perform automated installs? |
| 16:49.05 | goozbach | sjansen: proper incantations to the Stallman |
| 16:49.12 | goozbach | three live chickens |
| 16:49.43 | goozbach | twelve feet of cat 5 cable with the sleeve removed, braiding the strands |
| 16:50.12 | goozbach | four candles made from the earwax of a liger |
| 16:50.35 | goozbach | and fiddle with your preseed file for months |
| 16:51.08 | goozbach | debian preseed is a royal PITA |
| 16:51.14 | goozbach | ~pita preseed |
| 16:54.22 | unum | sjansen:fai |
| 16:54.39 | goozbach | cobbler |
| 16:54.50 | unum | plus all the stuff goozbach said |
| 16:56.42 | sjansen | TimRiker: You're a Debian fiend. What do you use? |
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| 17:03.00 | unum | sjansen: on the fslc server there's a guy(esk) who has done a lot with fai |
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| 17:51.43 | Sargun | Anyone here used Dell switches? |
| 18:00.55 | eightyeight | unum: i forgot about fai |
| 18:02.02 | tensai | sjansen: I've started using puppet. that doesn't cover the actual install, but it configures the system once the base is done. |
| 18:04.02 | goozbach | sjansen: cobbler's debian guest support is "almost there" |
| 18:04.12 | goozbach | I'm trying to find time to do some testing. |
| 18:04.25 | goozbach | I've been trying to help come up with a proper preseed file. |
| 18:04.50 | goozbach | cobbler + puppet == epic win! |
| 18:47.48 | maquis | ~lart life |
| 18:47.48 | ibot | gives life a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 18:55.09 | eightyeight | so does that mean the upgrades are free too? |
| 18:58.09 | sjansen | maquis: http://hulu.com/life ? |
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| 19:17.57 | ^Migs^ | EPIC FAI |
| 19:21.07 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: You're a faiure. |
| 19:41.18 | unum | http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/04/1426234 <- a book about why some people succeed and others fail |
| 19:41.30 | unum | I'd say it's very liberal in it's conclusions |
| 19:41.36 | unum | I should buy it |
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| 19:47.14 | goozbach | hypethical for you: |
| 19:47.38 | goozbach | I enter into a business agreement with you for a good or service deliverable on $DATE |
| 19:48.04 | goozbach | then at the very last minute you re-neg on the agreement. |
| 19:48.24 | jshipley | It seems like a pretty interesting book |
| 19:48.38 | goozbach | forcing me to look to another source for the same good or service on short notice at considerable additional cost. |
| 19:49.05 | goozbach | is it unreasonable for me to ask for the difference in what I would have spend vs what I actually spent from you? |
| 19:55.05 | unum | goozbach: that's a valid thing to write into the contract |
| 19:55.14 | sjansen | That's what termination and penalty clauses in contracts are for. Without a contract already defining the outcome, there probably can't be any expectation of compensation. |
| 19:55.22 | sjansen | Of course, IANAL |
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| 20:10.28 | fungus | ~welcome all all the marks |
| 20:10.28 | ibot | all all the marks, Sup yo? |
| 20:13.56 | Jayce^ | shrieks in terror at finding a 'goto' in some old old code here.. |
| 20:15.13 | goozbach | sjansen: it's a pretty informal "contract" |
| 20:15.15 | unum | Jayce^: is it written in qbasic? |
| 20:15.31 | goozbach | I made a reservation using an online system and was given a confirmation code |
| 20:15.35 | Jayce^ | seems like it.. |
| 20:15.35 | Sargun | Anyone here done business in China? |
| 20:15.38 | sjansen | goozbach: Then any compensation process will be pretty informal. |
| 20:15.51 | goozbach | upon ariving to pick up my rental truck, I was informed there were none |
| 20:15.51 | Sargun | Jayce^, longjmp? |
| 20:16.12 | goozbach | forcing me to rent from another company at high cost (almost triple) |
| 20:16.28 | Sargun | goozbach, hypothetical, isn't it? |
| 20:16.29 | Jayce^ | goozbach: pretty common with truck rentals.. I've had that happen with 3 companies |
| 20:16.37 | goozbach | but anyway, I'm not expecting a return |
| 20:16.37 | Sargun | goozbach, how did your MySQL server rebuild go? |
| 20:16.47 | goozbach | Sargun: fine |
| 20:16.51 | goozbach | didn't get any sleep |
| 20:16.53 | goozbach | but it finished |
| 20:16.54 | Sargun | ah. |
| 20:16.58 | Sargun | Good. |
| 20:17.04 | Sargun | Are you less pissed off now? |
| 20:17.04 | sjansen | In that case the company probably has a published policy. Find that policy and try to make them stick to it. Also, register a complaint with the BBB. |
| 20:17.17 | goozbach | very much so less |
| 20:17.29 | goozbach | they're offering a free rental |
| 20:17.41 | goozbach | but now I'm no longer in the market for a rental truck |
| 20:17.46 | goozbach | so that has no incentive |
| 20:18.34 | goozbach | the other half of the equation was how the transaction was handled |
| 20:18.39 | goozbach | customer service wise |
| 20:18.40 | Sargun | goozbach, rent their truck, drive it across the border, and "lose it" |
| 20:18.54 | Sargun | oh, and go into hiding. |
| 20:19.04 | goozbach | they were well aware of the problem at least four days prior to my rental |
| 20:19.25 | goozbach | however, they didn't contact me until I was pulling into their parking lot for the rental. |
| 20:19.41 | goozbach | had they been more pro-active it'd have been much better |
| 20:23.38 | sjansen | How much money are we talking about? |
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| 20:25.09 | sjansen | Smart companies know how much they have to spend on advertising per customer found. If you can find the write person and explain why the company has forever lost your business unless you are compensated, and it's similar to the company's cost per customer, you stand a fighting chance. |
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| 20:29.44 | fozzmoo | Smart companies move offshore. ;-) |
| 20:39.21 | Sargun | hehehe |
| 20:39.40 | Sargun | fozzmoo, I presume your employer is smart? |
| 20:39.43 | Sargun | :-P |
| 20:45.10 | jshipley | Jayce^: goto might be considered harmful, but there are cases where it makes sense to use it -- sometimes it can simplify things a lot |
| 20:45.26 | elg | -lart dst |
| 20:45.26 | brac | gives dst a 2 guage Prince Albert |
| 20:45.29 | Jayce^ | this case sure wasn't |
| 20:46.18 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-kitten-erases-your-hard-drive.jpg |
| 20:46.18 | eightyeight | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/a359/zoom/ |
| 20:46.20 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: God Kills a LOLcat :: Zoom!] |
| 20:56.00 | sjansen | jshipley: Yes, goto can be helpful in C. But in Perl? |
| 20:56.40 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | CHannel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | I'll gladly pay you lolday for a cheezburger today. |
| 21:00.37 | jshipley | oh, perl... um, it could be useful, but it's probably better to just leave it be |
| 21:01.25 | jshipley | ^Migs^: that electric cat looked more like a rat |
| 21:05.09 | goozbach | sjansen: reservation was $40 |
| 21:05.23 | goozbach | I expected to spend $60-80 with coverage etc |
| 21:05.40 | goozbach | but I ended up spending $175 |
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| 21:05.44 | goozbach | so not much money |
| 21:06.05 | jshipley | ^Jayce^: could we see a snippet? I'd love to be horrified by bad code right now :) |
| 21:06.14 | sjansen | Perhaps you can sell the free rental on craigslist. |
| 21:06.35 | jshipley | unless it's confidential code, or something like that... |
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| 21:08.35 | Jayce^ | yeah, can't really post it, but the basic summary it it was used instead of just calling a @#$@#% sub.. |
| 21:09.17 | jshipley | so, spaghetti at it's worst. He probably learned programming with basic |
| 21:09.18 | Jayce^ | looking at the whole of it, I'm glad the developer doesn't work here anymore, or he wouldn't be anymore :) |
| 21:12.27 | jshipley | I went to Qwest's website, and I was interrupted by a pop-up... I hate it when people try to chat with me. I hate it on facebook, with people that I know, and I hate it on Qwest. |
| 21:12.46 | elg | who tried to chat with you? |
| 21:13.01 | elg | or do you mean one of those "take a survey" things. I hate those |
| 21:13.12 | jshipley | Nope, live chat. Customer service, or sales. |
| 21:13.20 | elg | if i was inclined to take a survey I would get myself disinclined very quickly just because it popped up |
| 21:13.22 | jshipley | not sure which, I just closed the website |
| 21:28.00 | elg | -chat |
| 21:28.01 | brac | The classic example is the original story about the biology side of the biggest customers and nobody had met them except phone/email/im |
| 21:28.08 | elg | heh |
| 21:28.26 | elg | i'd just as soon not meet the biological side of the biggest customers, thank you |
| 21:28.52 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | CHannel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | I'll gladly pay you lolmorrow for a cheezburger today. |
| 21:31.57 | goozbach | elg is now know as o-hai-wimpy |
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| 22:09.46 | TimRiker | sjansen: I run debian stable on servers, debian unstable on my laptop and some desktops. |
| 22:12.00 | goozbach | TimRiker: how do you automate installs? |
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| 22:13.08 | toofer | TimRiker: What type of environment is that? Business or other? If Business what type of business? |
| 22:13.53 | TimRiker | goozbach: debian preseed + pxe |
| 22:13.57 | goozbach | ok |
| 22:14.41 | TimRiker | toofer: I use that for setting up hosts for new.familysearch.org |
| 22:14.56 | sinuhe | TimRiker: Mind if I take a look at your preseed file? |
| 22:14.58 | TimRiker | we have about 6000 linux servers, but not all are debian (yet) |
| 22:15.10 | JoshH | the lds church uses debian? |
| 22:15.12 | sinuhe | and tftpboot default? |
| 22:15.17 | TimRiker | JoshH: yes. |
| 22:15.18 | JoshH | wow, maybe it is the one true church after all! :P |
| 22:15.20 | sinuhe | Cool |
| 22:15.34 | ^Migs^ | http://tech.lds.org/ |
| 22:15.35 | unum | they were using redhat on dells |
| 22:15.36 | TimRiker | most laptops are ubuntu and most servers are debian. |
| 22:15.37 | brac | [LDSTech Web Site - Home] |
| 22:15.39 | unum | i talked to the sales rep |
| 22:15.46 | unum | but randsom love is in charge now |
| 22:16.13 | TimRiker | this is the familysearch part. NOT the church ie: corp of the bishopric. |
| 22:16.21 | TimRiker | the COB uses mostly windows. |
| 22:16.27 | JoshH | any religion that uses debian is cool in my book |
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| 22:17.35 | ^Migs^ | oh snap. One of the projects listed is the "Internet Mission Office System." I was on the software dev team for the old Mission Office System, like 10 years ago |
| 22:17.46 | ^Migs^ | I was wondering if they still used that |
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| 22:19.02 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/tmp/generic.txt |
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| 22:23.38 | TimRiker | sinuhe: that link was for you. that's the generic preseed we use, minus the root password hash. :) |
| 22:25.13 | TimRiker | unum: I expect that our group has more linux systems than all the other church divisions combined. however, we don't have any influence on other divisions choices on what OS or tools they run. |
| 22:29.12 | maquis | ~lart TimRiker |
| 22:29.12 | ibot | burns TimRiker to a crisp with a laser |
| 22:29.24 | sinuhe | TimRiker: Thank you. What syntax do you use with your tftpboot (pxelinux.cfg) kernel line to refer to the preseed file? |
| 22:30.12 | TimRiker | append initrd=lenny-amd64/initrd.gz auto priority=critical url=http://repository/someware/consonus-nonproduction/autoyast/s-generic.txt locale=en_US.UTF-8 fb=false interface=eth0 base-installer/kernel/image=linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 22:30.28 | TimRiker | sinuhe: as an example... |
| 22:30.37 | sinuhe | thinks TimRiker is the man |
| 22:30.46 | TimRiker | :) |
| 22:31.02 | JoshH | is there someone in your family named Will? |
| 22:31.16 | TimRiker | note that the config does NOT reference lenny, etch, stable, etc. so I use the same .txt for etch and lenny. |
| 22:31.24 | elg | JoshH: one of his descendents |
| 22:31.29 | JoshH | excellent |
| 22:31.46 | elg | William T Riker |
| 22:31.50 | elg | T stands for TimRiker |
| 22:31.51 | TimRiker | JoshH: he's either my descendant or one of my brothers depending on what he's doing. :) |
| 22:32.27 | TimRiker | my brother is Alan Thomas Riker. so perhaps I'm a great uncle. |
| 22:32.46 | JoshH | it would be criminal negligence for there to be no will's in you family at all |
| 22:33.50 | sjansen | http://repository/someware/consonus-nonproduction/autoyast/s-generic.txt |
| 22:33.50 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.50 | sjansen | shivers |
| 22:34.07 | TimRiker | JoshH: heh. actually, by brother is not nearly the ST:TNG buff I am. He almost named one if his kids William Thomas without realizing what he was doing. |
| 22:34.39 | TimRiker | sjansen: hehe... symptom of the sles9 systems that pull from that same path. I'll remove that bit eventually. |
| 22:34.44 | undertakingyou | Lets just establish that William is a wonderful name. |
| 22:34.51 | undertakingyou | And the best people in the world posses it. |
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| 22:36.46 | TimRiker | sinuhe: if you're setting up from scratch... there is a default path for the preseed that if used can shorten the kernel command line. |
| 22:37.12 | TimRiker | I forget the patch. /d-i/... or /debian-installer/ ... iirc. |
| 22:37.44 | goozbach | TimRiker: where do you get your liger earwax? |
| 22:37.45 | sinuhe | Specifically, I'm working with Ubuntu 8.04.2 Server. |
| 22:38.07 | TimRiker | goozbach: I pull it out of by cubemate's ears. why? |
| 22:38.37 | goozbach | your cubemate is a liger? awesome! |
| 22:38.40 | TimRiker | sinuhe: no idea what they've changed. I would expect a /ubuntu-installer/ etc |
| 22:38.48 | sinuhe | is a hopeless Red Hat nerd aspiring to Debianesque I-don't-need-no-stinking-help superiority. |
| 22:38.54 | TimRiker | goozbach: no, that's just where he keeps it. |
| 22:39.03 | goozbach | oh |
| 22:39.42 | goozbach | where does he get it? I'm running out myself |
| 22:39.52 | elg | from a liger of course |
| 22:39.59 | goozbach | doesn't know when to let a joke die |
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| 22:40.34 | elg | goozbach: don't let it die. make it work for it |
| 22:41.07 | TimRiker | well, if the truth be told, some of it is actually from tigons. |
| 22:41.52 | goozbach | and your preseeds still work? |
| 22:42.07 | goozbach | tigon earwax is only like 3% as effective. |
| 22:42.29 | goozbach | you must use something like 12-16 candles each boot |
| 22:43.16 | JoshH | wonders why tigons and ligers are considered different |
| 22:43.58 | TimRiker | well, you have to spread the preseeds out a little more, but they boots end up smoother in the end. |
| 22:44.06 | TimRiker | s/they/the/ |
| 22:52.27 | rsimpkins | Can anyone here bring up www.noaa.gov? |
| 22:53.24 | toofer | Yes |
| 22:53.44 | Heartsbane | Yes |
| 22:57.20 | rsimpkins | Up for me now as well. Must have been some kind of transient issue. |
| 23:09.30 | elg | that's what happens when you let transients run your website |
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| 23:50.07 | levi | Sweet, I didn't blow the voice coils in the speaker after all. |
| 23:50.14 | levi | Just the current limiters. |
| 23:50.34 | levi | A bit of wire clipping and soldering, and I'm making noise again. |
| 23:50.55 | levi | One must be careful when playing music from a 1000W/ch amp on 150W speakers. |
| 23:55.25 | elg | stupid firefox |
| 23:55.41 | elg | i was playing with "private browsing" |
| 23:55.58 | elg | it said i might like to clear my recent history. well, not really, but it sounded fun |
| 23:56.05 | elg | for a reasonable definition of recent |
| 23:56.26 | elg | unfortunately I don't consider "all my history" to be a reasonable definition of recent. |
| 23:56.38 | elg | now all my history is gone, which means all my autocomplete location bar goodness is gone |
