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| 17:14.38 | Jayce^ | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=11550 |
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| 17:21.34 | sjansen | ~punish Jayce^ for distributing crack |
| 17:21.35 | ibot | ACTION makes Jayce^ drink American beer for distributing crack |
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| 17:23.01 | sinuhe | wonders if Jayce^ would know the difference between American Beer and the rest of the world's. |
| 17:23.21 | sjansen | ibot: You're back! |
| 17:23.22 | ibot | No sjansen, I'm not really here |
| 17:23.36 | sjansen | Oh. Okay than then... :-( |
| 17:23.37 | Jayce^ | :) yeah, not quite something I'd care about |
| 17:23.43 | Jayce^ | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=11503 |
| 17:29.37 | Jayce^ | ~mock fozzmoo for his latest tweet |
| 17:29.37 | ibot | ACTION pulls fozzmoo for his latest tweet's pants down and shows the world fozzmoo for his latest tweet's pink spotted underwear |
| 17:38.33 | goozbach | Jayce^: http://i.gizmodo.com/5162282/this-iphone-app-will-result-in-at-least-one-accidental-shooting |
| 17:39.46 | Jayce^ | *love* the first comment, very accurate |
| 17:47.47 | Sargun | Anybody here running a China office? |
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| 18:17.32 | sjansen | o/~ Ding dong the witch is dead! Which witch? The wicked witch! Ding dong the wicked witch is dead! ~/o |
| 18:17.45 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 18:17.45 | brac | mixes epoxy into sjansen's toothpaste |
| 18:24.00 | sjansen | The new GL Web site has gone live! |
| 18:24.14 | fozzmoo | goes. |
| 18:24.33 | fozzmoo | What should I check out? |
| 18:24.49 | sjansen | No longer do I have to hang my head in shame because we wasted our money paying a bunch of lying PHP developers for a piece of non-functional crap! |
| 18:25.19 | sjansen | Bar tender, a round for all my friends! |
| 18:25.32 | sjansen | http://www.gurulabs.com/ |
| 18:25.50 | fozzmoo | sjansen: What should I check out? |
| 18:26.03 | fozzmoo | Anything cool? |
| 18:26.17 | sjansen | Well.... It's green. Super green! |
| 18:26.27 | goozbach | sjansen: looking good |
| 18:26.37 | fozzmoo | it is a good looking site. |
| 18:26.40 | sjansen | And viewing the source won't make your eyes bleed. |
| 18:26.53 | tensai | sjansen: broken link on the goodies page |
| 18:26.59 | goozbach | sjansen: http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/downloads/ -- 404 |
| 18:27.07 | tensai | goozbach: yeah, that one |
| 18:27.19 | fozzmoo | Needs more Tux pictures. |
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| 18:27.37 | fozzmoo | And... more photos, in general. Need geeky pixelmap fodder to gawk at. |
| 18:31.01 | goozbach | sjansen: need to re-crawl your search terms: |
| 18:31.03 | goozbach | http://www.gurulabs.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?phrase=derek&x=0&y=0 |
| 18:31.08 | goozbach | leads to a dead link |
| 18:31.17 | goozbach | http://www.dev.gurulabs.com/goodies/guru-guides/router-on-a-stick/ |
| 18:34.58 | sjansen | downloads link fixed, rebuilding the site search database |
| 18:46.34 | sjansen | goozbach: Try it now. |
| 18:46.55 | sjansen | tensai, goozbach: Thanks for the feedback. |
| 18:49.37 | tensai | sjansen: I notice your vim settings are all wrong. ts=8??? |
| 18:50.11 | goozbach | yay! my vanity search on gurulabs.com works! |
| 18:51.23 | tensai | sjansen: the certification matrix is really squished together |
| 18:51.56 | tensai | sjansen: I can't say I recall what it looked like before to compare, but it passes the does-not-make-me-barf test |
| 18:52.06 | tensai | the website as a whole, that is |
| 18:53.21 | sjansen | Yeah, there are still some cosmetic fixes to finish. But the new site is a big enough improvement I decided to not wait any longer. |
| 18:54.11 | sjansen | As for ts=8, that is the one and only truth. |
| 18:54.35 | eggyknap | Meh... 4. |
| 18:54.38 | eggyknap | :) |
| 18:54.50 | sjansen | If you want your tab key to insert a different number of spaces that's what sts is for. |
| 18:55.14 | sjansen | eggyknap: You are wrong. Evil, wrong and dangerous. |
| 18:55.22 | tensai | when I want spaces, I use the space bar |
| 18:55.35 | sjansen | Modifying tabstop leads only to madness. |
| 18:55.56 | eggyknap | Perhaps I'm neither evil, wrong, or dangerous, but just mad? |
| 18:55.58 | eggyknap | :) |
| 18:56.24 | sjansen | Until the world comes to its senses and everyone agrees to only use Vim, if you change you edit files with a modified tabstop, you deserve to be stabbed. |
| 18:57.19 | sjansen | Personally, my opinion is that all tabs in files are evil. (Exception: makefiles) |
| 18:57.31 | eggyknap | seconded. |
| 18:57.45 | fozzmoo | nods |
| 18:57.57 | sjansen | But if anyone was anti-social enough to embed a tab in the file, your had better respect the fact that tabstop=8. |
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| 21:06.03 | sjansen | http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/CodingStyle |
| 21:06.09 | sjansen | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/guides/programming-guidelines/code-style.html |
| 21:06.12 | sjansen | http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Kdelibs_Coding_Style |
| 21:06.39 | sjansen | I didn't form my opinion from thin air. It's based on the advice of much better developers than me. |
| 21:07.13 | sjansen | Who ya gonna listen to? J. Random Blogger? Or the Linux kernel style guide, the GNOME project, and KDE? |
| 21:07.40 | unum | my own personal experience |
| 21:08.20 | sjansen | unum: Your experience has blinded you if you think tabs are anything but evil. My experience forces me to reject your experience. |
| 21:10.51 | eightyeight | tensai: HostName ${HOST}.domain.com |
| 21:10.53 | eightyeight | w00t |
| 21:11.01 | tensai | eightyeight: nice |
| 21:11.39 | sjansen | :retab eightyeight |
| 21:13.38 | tensai | sjansen: I'm considering giving your settings a try. for my uses, tabs work. I don't have a lot of shared code. generally the scripts we have don't get edited much by more than one person. |
| 21:14.21 | jshipley | sjansen: I like the KDE style you cited -- 4 spaces instead of tabs :) |
| 21:14.32 | tensai | sjansen: do you have your vimrc somewheres? |
| 21:15.12 | eightyeight | tensai: wait. scratch that. not working here |
| 21:16.06 | fungus | "spaces are never used for indentation, and the above example is deliberately broken." |
| 21:16.21 | fungus | From the Linux CodingStyle guideline |
| 21:16.33 | sjansen | tensai: http://paste.lisp.org/display/76376 |
| 21:16.54 | sjansen | It hasn't been updated for years. Really in need of a good digging, watering and pruning. |
| 21:19.23 | jshipley | http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Writing-C |
| 21:19.26 | jshipley | Then there's this one |
| 21:19.27 | brac | [GNU Coding Standards] |
| 21:19.51 | sjansen | I was citing the Linux developers for the recognition that mixing tabs and spaces is insane, and that tabs are eight spaces. |
| 21:19.54 | jshipley | Of course, the most important bit is "We don't think of these recommendations as requirements, because it causes no problems for users if two different programs have different formatting styles. |
| 21:19.58 | jshipley | But whatever style you use, please use it consistently, since a mixture of styles within one program tends to look ugly. If you are contributing changes to an existing program, please follow the style of that program. " |
| 21:20.17 | sjansen | They like that tabs are huge because it prevent deeply nested code. Arguably a good thing with C. |
| 21:20.30 | tensai | sjansen: does that gpg bit work well? that looks kinda nifty |
| 21:20.58 | sjansen | jshipley: Have you looked at the GNU C coding style? That alone should disqualify them on grounds of mental defect. |
| 21:21.00 | jshipley | trying to keep a 80 character width also prevents deeply nested code |
| 21:21.13 | jshipley | lol, yes |
| 21:21.29 | jshipley | emacs indenting, while nice enough, is horrible to work with from other editors |
| 21:22.46 | jshipley | Still, it's more important to keep your code consistent with the rest of the project than it is to have spaces or tabs |
| 21:24.58 | jshipley | I'm more likely to contribute to some existing project than I am to start some project. If I did start one, I'd probably use 4 spaces to indent. |
| 21:25.26 | goozbach | I don't like the hanging curly brace |
| 21:25.36 | goozbach | I like it tucked up into the line with the function |
| 21:26.42 | Sargun | any clue on how to get printk on demand? |
| 21:26.55 | jsmith | goozbach: You too, eh? |
| 21:31.45 | sjansen | "get printk on demand"? |
| 21:32.21 | sjansen | -urls |
| 21:32.21 | brac | no urls seen yet for channel #utah |
| 21:32.29 | sjansen | Why you lying little bot! |
| 21:35.25 | sjansen | goozbach: Sorry, what was the url for speech bubble again? |
| 21:35.59 | jsmith | sjansen: http://projects.friocorte.com/speechbubble/ |
| 21:38.01 | sjansen | jsmith: thanks |
| 21:39.55 | ^Migs^ | RT: @BreakingNewsOn: "MANIC MONDAY" -- Bank of America's CEO is now calling his request for $20 billion in gov't money to buy Merrill Lynch a "tactical mistake". |
| 21:39.57 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 21:40.04 | ^Migs^ | BoA = FAIL |
| 21:41.05 | sjansen | Let's hope not. BoA failing would be really, really bad. |
| 21:50.44 | Jayce^ | they only fail the banks on fridays, after market hours :) |
| 22:01.00 | tensai | Jayce^: did you see this one? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr111-199 |
| 22:01.34 | Jayce^ | nice, I hadn't |
| 22:02.14 | Jayce^ | thought I did see that Olatha KS is trying to get legislation in the state to block minors from buying/posessing lighters, and other open-flame devices |
| 22:04.11 | tensai | I've seen that other countries have been bailing out or nationalizing banks. it seems, though, that the scope of those deals has been far less than ours. |
| 22:04.38 | tensai | is it just that our country is that much more awesome that we need 700 billion here and 500 billion there, where others need 10 billion or 40 billion? |
| 22:05.03 | sjansen | Yeah, that doesn't have a snowball's chance. |
| 22:07.57 | sjansen | Planet Money had an interesting Podcast recently. The interviewed the Swedish equivalent of the Fed chair. Turns out that most of the talk about the Swedish example left out (1) Sweden is much smaller (2) has like 10 banks total (3) the government already had large stakes in the banks that were nationalized. So basically the Swedish dude felt their experience had nothing to do with what's happening in the US. |
| 22:09.13 | sjansen | http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/02/swedish_massage.html |
| 22:09.14 | brac | [NPR: Hear: Swedish Massage] |
| 22:14.24 | Jayce^ | harleypig: why does this make me think of you... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,503645,00.html |
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| 22:42.18 | eightyeight | should i be seeing a .fc6.rpm package shipped with rhel5? i would think red hat would have them all renamed to .el5.rpm |
| 22:42.42 | sjansen | That's normal. |
| 22:43.27 | eightyeight | well, yum is failing to resolve a dependency, because it wants an exact version that it doesn't ship |
| 22:45.29 | eightyeight | oh brother. now, on the third try of 'yum -y update' it succeeds |
| 22:45.44 | eightyeight | i don't understand yum some days |
| 22:48.40 | sjansen | Sounds like bad mirrors. |
| 22:50.17 | RyanE | eightyeight: you should stop using the fun-house mirrors. |
| 22:50.52 | eightyeight | i'm using our rhn satellite |
| 22:51.44 | eightyeight | yum is using the rhn plugin, rather than a default .repo file that you're used to using |
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| 23:11.06 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 23:11.06 | brac | hands tensai a poison ivy joint |
| 23:12.00 | tensai | -dance |
| 23:12.08 | tensai | ~dance on elg |
| 23:12.09 | ibot | on elg, dance with me! Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' Elive, stayin' Elive |
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| 23:14.21 | tensai | "large and noising", eh? |
| 23:15.09 | harleypig | Dude! They harshed the cats mellow man! |
| 23:15.39 | harleypig | wtf is a 'plastic glass box'? |
| 23:16.06 | elg | why, a box made of plastic glass of course |
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| 23:31.48 | elg | ~flog tensai |
| 23:31.49 | ibot | ACTION whips tensai with a cat-5 o' nine tails |
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