| 00:00.27 | findlay_ | 1010 things you can do with an old CRT |
| 00:00.48 | tensai | would love a fish tank in a tv |
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| 01:01.43 | elg | -chat tensai is |
| 01:01.43 | brac | tensai is all about fozzmoo |
| 01:09.51 | findlay_ | -chat blackboard |
| 01:09.51 | brac | blackboard was |
| 01:10.05 | findlay_ | -chat all about |
| 01:10.05 | brac | all about no nonsense design |
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| 01:27.18 | findlay_ | -chat stuff |
| 01:27.23 | brac | stuff had |
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| 03:50.28 | levi | Good evening. |
| 03:50.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Good evening. |
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| 04:02.17 | elg | wonderful |
| 04:02.43 | elg | student emails me for help on the lab due tomorrow. he says he and the other TA have been trying to get it working and haven't been able to |
| 04:02.48 | elg | the other TA will be grading this lab |
| 04:04.17 | Lone_Wanderer | what class? |
| 04:07.36 | elg | 272 - second semester programming/cs stuff |
| 04:07.43 | elg | mostly data structures. this lab is doubly-linked lists |
| 04:07.55 | elg | but not any old doubly-linked lists |
| 04:08.04 | elg | putrid java-ified doubly linked lists |
| 04:08.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I really, really don't understand why... you're at BYU I'm assuming? |
| 04:08.55 | elg | nmsu |
| 04:08.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh. |
| 04:09.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, regardless. I don't understand why schools in general have moved to Java as their intro language of choice. |
| 04:09.18 | elg | they didn't invent this atrocity though, it comes from a book |
| 04:09.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes but someone chose to use that book. |
| 04:10.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I understand wanting to teach OO concepts, but come on. Python? C++ even? |
| 04:11.11 | elg | http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~main/dsoj.html |
| 04:11.34 | elg | well, java is pretty much a shoo-in for most CS depts |
| 04:11.41 | elg | for ill or not |
| 04:11.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Why? I don't understand. |
| 04:12.02 | elg | it's the hip enterprise language of 5 years ago |
| 04:12.23 | elg | it's an improvement from pascal, which is what most used before java |
| 04:12.57 | elg | (most unis will move beyond just the intro language somewhere in the sophomore or junior year) |
| 04:13.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I just don't understand why pointy-headed academics would care which language is hip. |
| 04:13.37 | Lone_Wanderer | attended the U of MN which taught good, old fashioned C (not C++!) in their intro to programming classes. |
| 04:13.55 | elg | their hearts are in the right places, they want to prep the students for what they think the market wants. |
| 04:13.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I still remember breaking my brain over pointers and feeling awesome when I finally got them. |
| 04:14.13 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what tech schools are for. |
| 04:14.35 | elg | you gotta learn to program before you can really delve into CS |
| 04:14.36 | Lone_Wanderer | If they'd teach the kids solid foundations, picking up Java would be a one-semester thing. |
| 04:14.45 | elg | and java is (probably erroneously) viewed as a beginner-friendly language |
| 04:14.53 | elg | but i totally agree with you |
| 04:15.10 | elg | linked lists shouldn't be torture. java (and especially this flavor of java programming) is making it wayyy to complicated |
| 04:15.34 | Lone_Wanderer | nod nods. |
| 04:16.04 | elg | here's the assignment |
| 04:16.04 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~ipivkina/cs272/Homework/lab5.html |
| 04:16.06 | brac | [Spring 2009: CS272 Lab #5] |
| 04:16.13 | elg | looks innocent enough until you click through to the provided code |
| 04:16.29 | elg | (which comes from the book) |
| 04:16.39 | Lone_Wanderer | What I don't understand (and what the students are probably boggling over) |
| 04:16.46 | Lone_Wanderer | is why bother with linked lists in Java in the first place? |
| 04:17.04 | elg | the students don't know any better to boggle over that |
| 04:17.20 | elg | the point is to learn about these basic data structures. laying a foundation and all that |
| 04:17.23 | Lone_Wanderer | They're probably thinking "Man, I could just use an array/hash/dict/whatever they're called in Java for this" |
| 04:17.33 | elg | but a lot of the effect is lost on just getting java to work |
| 04:17.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, that's what they should be thinking :p |
| 04:17.37 | Lone_Wanderer | nods. |
| 04:17.47 | elg | simple data structures work in simple languages |
| 04:18.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Bah, I don't have a program set up to read .java files. |
| 04:18.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll just take your word (not that I need convincing) that it's a mess. |
| 04:18.17 | elg | simple data structures made complex in complex languages lose all their elegance and only the most astute students pick up the foundational cs concepts from implementing them. |
| 04:18.31 | elg | well they're just text |
| 04:18.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 04:18.38 | elg | vim, emacs, notepad... |
| 04:19.22 | Lone_Wanderer | There we go. |
| 04:20.30 | elg | i get really frustrated when I'm going along trying to explain to the bewildered student how to swap nodes in a linked list, and then I get barraged by questions about the static keyword, getters/setters, etc. etc. |
| 04:20.44 | Lone_Wanderer | nod nods. |
| 04:21.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I really wish I could use my dad's influence at BYU to convince the CS department to switch back to C |
| 04:21.11 | Lone_Wanderer | or SOMETHING |
| 04:21.13 | elg | to me, a linked list is: struct LL { int data; LL *next; }; |
| 04:21.16 | Lone_Wanderer | but that's unlikely to happen :( |
| 04:21.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Exactly. |
| 04:21.32 | elg | who's your dad? |
| 04:22.09 | elg | and doubly-linked lists are an indication you want a richer data structure. :) but I'm not against learning doubly-linked lists for pedagogy's sake |
| 04:22.19 | Lone_Wanderer | ex-dean of bio-ag, currently in the administration somewhere else |
| 04:22.37 | elg | ah, so not in CS |
| 04:22.52 | Lone_Wanderer | No, if he were in CS he'd have straightened it out long ago. |
| 04:23.02 | Lone_Wanderer | He'd still be dean of his old college if he hadn't made radical changes that pissed people off. |
| 04:23.24 | elg | well byu's cs program certainly isn't perfect but it wasn't too bad |
| 04:23.28 | Lone_Wanderer | For example, firing people that were committing felonies with school property, forcing professors to be accountable... |
| 04:24.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Uncovering rackets designed to steal from BYU and firing the people responsible... umm, there were others but it's been a long time. |
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| 09:00.13 | tensai | finishes his upgrade and heads to bed |
| 09:45.13 | Sargun | tensai, eh |
| 09:50.33 | Supaplex | ~rlart |
| 09:50.33 | ibot | offers high_roller some herring |
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| 10:54.23 | Sargun | hehe |
| 11:22.28 | Sargun | A resume, that portrays its author as utterly unqualified for the position for which she has applied, but which, because it smells good, leads its reader, a desperate, experientially undernourished middle-manager at an internet-based retail corporation, to invite her into the office for an interview, which, although further portrays the applicant?s complete unsuitability for the job, provides the middle-manager with a physical impression to compleme |
| 11:22.28 | Sargun | nt the good smell, which impression is intensely exciting, forcing him to hire her as a supplemental secretary, much to the bafflement, chagrin, and eventual disgust of his extent secretary, who, during her employer?s lunch hour, removes the resume in question from his files, and personally delivers it to the CEO, and is with the CEO when he barges into the middle-manager?s office, and finds the unsuitable supplemental secretary standing beside hi |
| 11:22.29 | Sargun | m, crying silently with her dress half-off, while he sits in his reclining office chair, sweating profusely, and holding a plastic letter opener in a threatening manner. |
| 11:22.33 | Sargun | that's awesome |
| 11:22.42 | Sargun | A gay porno magazine, thrown onto a ball field from a car window, and perused with great interest by the adolescent members of both teams, two of whom meet in the woods some weeks later, to reproduce the tableaus they have seen, leading to a gradual realization that they are in fact gay, an incident, the memory of which causes one of the two, when he is well into a life that is disappointing emotionally, professionally, and sexually, to fling a gay po |
| 11:22.43 | Sargun | rno magazine out his car window, as he passes an occupied ball field, on his way to what will be an unsuccessful job interview. |
| 11:26.23 | goozbach | Sargun: what led you to believe that #utah is the place to post such stuff? |
| 11:26.33 | Sargun | err, oh shit. |
| 11:26.41 | Sargun | wrong channel. |
| 11:26.45 | goozbach | really? |
| 11:27.00 | Sargun | yes. |
| 11:27.05 | Sargun | it was meant to go one down. |
| 11:27.07 | Sargun | one tab down |
| 11:27.44 | Sargun | it's an excerpt from a PRI show (TAL) |
| 11:27.55 | Sargun | sorry. |
| 11:27.59 | goozbach | I really don't care what it is |
| 11:28.10 | Sargun | ok. |
| 11:28.28 | Sargun | do you listen to the radio? |
| 11:28.35 | Sargun | just curious? |
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| 11:28.51 | Sargun | heh. |
| 11:29.04 | Sargun | I'll take that as a no. |
| 11:29.08 | Sargun | alright, will do, sorry. |
| 11:29.18 | goozbach | not when the radio has that crap |
| 11:29.33 | goozbach | consider this your warning |
| 11:29.41 | goozbach | a kb comes along next time |
| 11:29.52 | Sargun | wow, you seem more pissed than usual. |
| 11:30.11 | Sargun | ah, it actually sounds pretty good -- the entire episode itself. |
| 11:30.31 | goozbach | yeah, not the channel for that stuff |
| 11:30.35 | goozbach | and I am pissed |
| 11:30.40 | Sargun | based on? |
| 11:30.51 | goozbach | I've been awake since 5:30 yesterday |
| 11:30.55 | Sargun | why? |
| 11:31.03 | Sargun | rather, who broke what |
| 11:31.04 | goozbach | babysitting a mysql slave reconstruction |
| 11:31.10 | Sargun | ouch |
| 11:31.16 | Sargun | don't you have people for that? |
| 11:31.19 | goozbach | it's part of our master/master server |
| 11:31.30 | goozbach | I don't like running in degraded mode |
| 11:31.35 | goozbach | so I babysit |
| 11:31.50 | Sargun | hm, you get paid overtime? |
| 11:33.07 | Sargun | possibly... |
| 11:35.44 | goozbach | nope |
| 11:35.47 | goozbach | salary |
| 11:37.41 | Sargun | ouch |
| 11:38.10 | Sargun | anyways, I'm out |
| 11:38.20 | Sargun | enjoy your MySQL reconstruction. |
| 11:38.25 | Sargun | hope it doesn't die. |
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| 16:50.44 | eightyeight | ^Migs^: that's pretty good |
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| 17:12.03 | manithree | People who depend on me for computer support are frequently surprised that I stubbornly refuse to twitter or facebook |
| 17:12.23 | manithree | I think "retarded" sounds about right |
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| 17:13.32 | sjansen | Does anyone know if it's true that GRUB 2.0 is being written in Perl 6 and will be used to boot Duke Nukem Forever OS (an Ubuntu derivative)? |
| 17:13.56 | manithree | sjansen: That's what I heard |
| 17:17.20 | manithree | I have a brother-in-law who is a MacOS and Solaris user who always uses Perl 6 as the example of what's wrong with Open Source |
| 17:17.54 | manithree | Because things like products are always released on time in the commercial world |
| 17:19.00 | manithree | s/things like// |
| 17:19.56 | jshipley | Yes, perl 6 is what's wrong with open source -- because perl 5 has been so horrible to us for the last 14 years. |
| 17:20.33 | manithree | And Copeland and Duke Nukem and every version of Windows has been on time with all the features promised |
| 17:21.04 | redbeard2 | was there a due date on perl 6? |
| 17:21.11 | jshipley | so Perl 6 isn't released... you can still download, build, and use it, if you want to. |
| 17:23.58 | manithree | jshipley: I haven't found that to be a very good response to people who already think FOSS is broken |
| 17:28.17 | jshipley | I think that I'd have to agree that FOSS is broken, but in my experience the more polished FOSS apps are no more broken than the proprietary software they replace |
| 17:28.26 | jshipley | often less broken |
| 17:31.51 | sjansen | Perl 6 will be done by Christmas. |
| 17:32.07 | sjansen | They just won't admit which year the Christmas will be in. |
| 17:34.35 | ^Migs^ | I think Facebook is pretty stupid too, but I still use it occasionally |
| 17:34.40 | ^Migs^ | I definitely don't use Myspace, though |
| 17:34.44 | ^Migs^ | that site is worthless |
| 17:35.12 | ^Migs^ | all I seem to do on Facebook is hilariously tag people's photos |
| 17:38.28 | unum | still doesn't have a facebook page |
| 17:38.37 | unum | when anyone asks I tell them I'm anti-web |
| 17:39.09 | RyanE_ | it's just a fad. |
| 17:39.47 | sjansen | I don't have a Facebook page because no one has ever invited me to create one. I figure that means I don't have friends. |
| 17:39.52 | RyanE | really sucks when you're sick enough to stay home, but so sick that you sleep in too much to watch "The Price is Right". |
| 17:41.13 | elg | ~fix sjansen |
| 17:41.14 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of sjansen , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 17:41.15 | manithree | jshipley: Everything is broken |
| 17:41.48 | sjansen | I don't know. A good gyro is pretty close to perfection. |
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| 17:44.09 | elg | ruins sjansen's life by sending him a facebook invite |
| 17:44.21 | Jayce^ | beat me to it |
| 17:44.43 | ^Migs^ | yeah, Facebook won't be around forever |
| 17:44.54 | ^Migs^ | there'll be something else for everyone to move to |
| 17:45.21 | elg | spring cleaning |
| 17:45.31 | elg | then you won't have to keep all the friends you end up hating |
| 17:45.35 | nan0meter | Everyone will move to cleaning springs? |
| 17:45.51 | ^Migs^ | http://www.gamersreports.com/news/10151/xbox-live-bans-offensive-lesbian |
| 17:45.53 | brac | [www.GamersReports.com - XBox Live Bans 'Offensive' Lesbian] |
| 17:45.54 | ^Migs^ | hahaha, the url says it all |
| 17:48.02 | RyanE | sjansen: yes a gyro is good, but I think Kneaders' Roast Beef on Sourdough bread beats a Gyro. |
| 17:48.27 | unum | http://singularityhub.com/2009/02/25/designer-babies-like-it-or-not-here-they-come/ <- gattaca |
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| 17:50.14 | elg | unum: now people can have designer octuplets |
| 17:51.34 | Tene_ | can my baby have octopus tentacles for arms? |
| 17:52.25 | elg | yes, if you have that gene (perhaps recessive) |
| 17:53.13 | Tene_ | I bet I do. |
| 18:01.35 | Jayce^ | RyanE: kneaders Turkey Bacon Avocado.. |
| 18:06.08 | elg | sweet, my first amazon associates gift card |
| 18:06.14 | ^Migs^ | http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/18796315/detail.html |
| 18:06.15 | brac | [Nurses Fired Over Cell Phone Photos Of Patient - Local News Story - WISN Milwaukee] |
| 18:06.27 | ^Migs^ | LAKE GENEVA, Wis. -- Nurses accused of photographing a patient and posting the pictures on the Internet have been fired. The patient was admitted to the emergency room with an object lodged in his rectum. Police said the nurse explained she and a co-worker snapped photos when they learned it was a sex device. |
| 18:06.36 | Jayce^ | elg gratz |
| 18:06.50 | elg | $11 whole dollars |
| 18:07.09 | Jayce^ | hey, 1 over the minimum to get a card :) |
| 18:07.12 | ^Migs^ | splurge! |
| 18:07.42 | elg | i don't know how long i've been on ... probably 2 years? |
| 18:08.52 | Jayce^ | and hey, you're almost 2 months into earning your next check :) |
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| 18:13.24 | TimRiker | ~1+1 |
| 18:13.25 | ibot | rumour has it, 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1, or 0 |
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| 18:32.05 | sjansen | elg: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/device-reservation.html |
| 18:32.07 | brac | [Banana In Mano Habeo] |
| 18:32.30 | elg | nice |
| 18:47.39 | eightyeight | 1+1 is 4 for large values of 1 |
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| 18:49.51 | Jayce^ | nice http://tackyweddings.com/ |
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| 18:56.32 | ^Migs^ | that's an awesome site, Jayce^ |
| 19:04.06 | Jayce^ | the goth one is great |
| 19:04.25 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.34 | nan0meter | If you held a camoflauge wedding in the forest, would anyone notice? |
| 19:05.38 | ^Migs^ | I'll do it for you then |
| 19:05.59 | ^Migs^ | I love the divorce cakes: http://tackyweddings.com/2008/09/08/divorce-cakes/ |
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| 19:30.17 | sjansen | Interesting that most of the divorce cake depict violence by women against men. |
| 19:31.52 | Tene_ | Yeah... F->M violence is okay, but M->F violence is horrible in our society. |
| 19:33.30 | Tene_ | It's always presumed that the man is the agressor. It's fairly common for the man to be arrested in domestic violence cases where he's the one that called. |
| 19:34.19 | Tene_ | It's extremely absurdly uncommon for male rape cases to even be taken seriously, much less go to trial. |
| 19:34.28 | Tene_ | etc. |
| 19:35.06 | Tene_ | Violence against men is fairly institutionalized. |
| 19:36.47 | Tene_ | And I need lunch. |
| 19:36.51 | Tene_ | Violent lunch. |
| 19:37.51 | jshipley | Violence? It looked like all those men were murdered. Calling it violence is understating it. |
| 19:42.34 | harleypig | can anyone help me with a modperl2 problem? |
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| 20:37.37 | tensai | elg: 425g flour and 300g of water is a really wet dough |
| 20:38.04 | elg | 70% hydration |
| 20:38.23 | elg | it's wet yes |
| 20:38.27 | elg | but not *really* wet |
| 20:38.35 | elg | I reserve *really* wet for 80+ |
| 20:39.14 | elg | you can still handle 70% with a little flour |
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| 20:39.24 | elg | at 80%+ it's more of a slop |
| 20:39.32 | elg | (ciabatta is like that) |
| 20:47.38 | gabegundy | I have a friend that is looking for Windows sysadmin work. Anyone know of openings? |
| 20:54.20 | Jayce^ | gabegundy: a 'friend' eh? |
| 20:55.19 | gabegundy | I was wondering if someone might ask. |
| 20:56.11 | gabegundy | I break windows. |
| 20:56.23 | Tene_ | I have a 'friend' who is looking for some good curry. |
| 21:00.30 | elg | ~rlart |
| 21:00.31 | ibot | installs PocketPC on JoshH's PDA |
| 21:02.30 | gabegundy | I'm always looking for some good curry. |
| 21:03.31 | gabegundy | Tene_: Nothing to be ashamed of - unlike being a Windows sysadmin. |
| 21:04.22 | gabegundy | BTW, he's comfortable with Linux/BSDs/Novell also, but his core is in Windows. |
| 21:05.53 | unum | I know of $10/hour job for someone who's half decent with a computer |
| 21:06.01 | unum | but I'm guessing he's looking for more |
| 21:10.48 | gabegundy | unum: I think so :) |
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| 21:35.48 | decriptor | gabegundy: you are on irc? |
| 21:35.57 | decriptor | can't be the gabe I know |
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| 21:40.36 | gabegundy | I must not have a job :) |
| 21:41.01 | gabegundy | decriptor: BTW, the friend it loper. |
| 21:41.10 | gabegundy | s/it/is |
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| 21:48.33 | decriptor | gabegundy: :) |
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| 22:23.56 | sjansen | Uhm... WTF?! |
| 22:24.53 | sjansen | ponders how a bunch of files could have been turned into directories |
| 22:25.20 | Heartsbane | sjansen: did you lose all your Pinky and the Brain episodes |
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| 22:27.54 | redbeard2 | sjansen: for FILE in *; do rm -f "$FILE" && mkdir "$FILE"; done |
| 22:28.17 | redbeard2 | you probably typed that accidentally instead of ls -l. those keys are right next to each other. |
| 22:31.38 | sjansen | You're probably right. I'm keep typing exactly that by mistake. |
| 22:35.45 | Sargun | sjansen, hehe |
| 22:54.35 | sjansen | http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/02/26/suspendresume-vs-networkmanager/ |
| 22:58.08 | jshipley | I hate it when suspend kills my wireless |
| 22:58.49 | jsmith | I hate it when wireless kills my suspend |
| 22:59.10 | jshipley | both, although it seems that that is not the issue that that blog post addresses |
| 22:59.45 | jsmith | I know... I read it. |
| 23:00.11 | jshipley | Good blog post though |
| 23:12.48 | Tene_ | This thing from amazon has been at 'Items shipping soon' all day so far, but it still lists tomorrow as the delivery estimate. |
| 23:16.33 | sjansen | chmod -R a-x,a+X # Sweet! |
| 23:17.22 | sjansen | Tene_: When that happened to me, the next day it the state changed to "delayed". |
| 23:18.06 | sjansen | After about a month, Amazon started asking if I wanted to cancel the order. |
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