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| 01:03.28 | elg | pokes his eyes out with a hot linked list |
| 01:03.33 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~ipivkina/cs272/Homework/lab5.html |
| 01:03.34 | brac | [Spring 2009: CS272 Lab #5] |
| 01:03.41 | elg | be sure to look at the DList class |
| 01:03.46 | elg | death by a thousand java cuts |
| 01:04.27 | elg | you get all the ugliness of (non-generic) linked lists in java plus all the added ugliness of that amazingly awful DList class |
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| 03:00.55 | levi | "The United States of America does not torture." |
| 03:12.21 | fozzmoo | (with exceptions for our taxpayers.) |
| 03:13.09 | fozzmoo | I'm SO glad my wife and I are still under $250k. Whew. Man! I'd HATE to be successful and wealthy! That'd suck bad. |
| 03:17.48 | levi | Um, yeah. |
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| 03:18.43 | levi | I'd take making $250k and paying half in taxes over what I'm making now anyday. |
| 03:19.22 | levi | fozzmoo: Did you see my recent comment on your blog regarding cap and trade? |
| 03:20.51 | fozzmoo | The best solution, levi, is to do nothing. |
| 03:24.20 | levi | I was afraid you'd say that, but I want to hear a justification that assuages my concerns. |
| 03:26.28 | fozzmoo | Part of my argument is simply that there isn't a consensus on global warming. We've got people who believed all coastal cities will be under 20 feet of water in 10 years and others who believe more "damage" is being done by volcanos and geysers than anything man does. |
| 03:28.04 | levi | I thought I addressed that. Repeatedly. |
| 03:28.23 | fozzmoo | Why is Al Gore so concerned about global warming? It's simple: Follow the money. While he's been marching around encouraging investment in "green" technology, promoting cap and trade legislation, he's also been setting up ventures that will thrive financially under a carbon trading system. He wasn't genuinely concerned about the environment- only his financial well-being. |
| 03:30.54 | levi | This is not just about global warming. |
| 03:31.33 | fozzmoo | I'll turn the question around on you, levi: Why can't we exhaust our fossil fuels? If you believe President Obama's speeches from the campaign trail, it is possible for us to be completely independent from fossil fuels in a matter of 1 or 2 presidential terms. If that's the case, why don't we just go full bore on fossil fuels? We've got as many as 8 years to burn through trillions of tons of oil shale, billions of barrels of crude oil, and who knows many trillion |
| 03:32.02 | levi | That's an easy one. |
| 03:32.18 | levi | We currently don't have infrastructure to function on any other energy sources. |
| 03:32.26 | levi | It will take time to build that infrastructure. |
| 03:32.27 | fozzmoo | But Mr. Obama says we'll have it! |
| 03:32.42 | fozzmoo | Or he said it could be done. |
| 03:32.53 | levi | He said we could get started on it, anyway. |
| 03:33.10 | levi | I don't recall his exact words, but that's not the point. |
| 03:33.15 | fozzmoo | I think our arrogance will bite us. |
| 03:33.34 | levi | Our arrogance will bite us if we do nothing. |
| 03:34.00 | fozzmoo | Just like the manufacture of hybrid cars causes MORE damage to the environment than the manufacture of a Suburban or a Hummer. |
| 03:34.39 | fozzmoo | It's just stupid for us not to exploit EVERY form of energy available to us. |
| 03:34.56 | Heartsbane | Like tire fires! |
| 03:34.59 | tensai | it's stupid to assume that all forms of energy are equal |
| 03:35.19 | fozzmoo | We've done a remarkable job of harnessing fossil fuels over the last century or so, doing so in a progressively cleaner and more efficient manner. |
| 03:35.39 | levi | fozzmoo: We're clearly not going to stop exploiting fossil fuels! |
| 03:36.03 | fozzmoo | If I buy a new Subaru today, it's rated as a PZEV automobile. |
| 03:36.04 | levi | But failure to ramp up alternatives will make the inevitable switchover that much more painful. |
| 03:36.20 | fozzmoo | Who says we're not ramping up alternatives?! |
| 03:36.26 | levi | No one. |
| 03:36.33 | levi | We are. |
| 03:36.49 | fozzmoo | Who says we have to ramp down the most cost effective energy solution currently available to us? |
| 03:37.10 | fozzmoo | For that matter, why do we continue to prevent the MOST efficient, clean form of energy from being used? |
| 03:37.26 | levi | I am all for using nuclear energy, actually. |
| 03:37.47 | fozzmoo | Why aren't we building more facilities to harness the most efficient renewable energy source: water?! |
| 03:38.15 | fozzmoo | All these "green" solutions rely on expensive promises of technology that we don't even know will pan out! |
| 03:38.34 | levi | That's what research is about. |
| 03:38.52 | fozzmoo | No argument there. |
| 03:39.05 | levi | Continuing to exponentially increase oil usage is not a very tenable state of affairs. |
| 03:39.07 | fozzmoo | I'm glad research has gotten us from 42 to 44% efficiency on solar cells. |
| 03:39.24 | fozzmoo | Solar's not going to be cost effective until it gets much better. |
| 03:40.49 | levi | You're still skirting around the issue I'm interested in discussing, though. |
| 03:41.26 | fozzmoo | You know i'd love to keep going, but I've got to help the family get ready to go to Disneyland. |
| 03:41.31 | levi | Fun! |
| 03:41.37 | fozzmoo | We're going on vacation while we still can. :) |
| 03:41.57 | levi | Vacation today, armed revolution tomorrow eh? |
| 03:42.01 | fozzmoo | Who knows when the Mexican narco-gangs will make it impossible. |
| 03:42.20 | levi | Oooh, the Mexican narco-gangs. |
| 03:42.27 | fozzmoo | Dang. I missed Bobby Jindal's response. |
| 03:43.23 | levi | It was not very good. |
| 03:43.46 | fozzmoo | I have to admit, Obama's speech was the best I've ever heard him give. |
| 03:43.55 | levi | I'm sure you would have agreed with the sentiment, of course, but it was poorly delivered. |
| 03:43.59 | fozzmoo | It was a very well done speech. |
| 03:44.12 | levi | Unfortunately I missed the beginning of it. |
| 03:44.13 | fozzmoo | And when he started talking about education, I was right there with him. |
| 03:44.56 | fozzmoo | The part where he got everyone in the chamber to praise the guy who gave all his money away to his current and former employees was just creepy. |
| 03:45.51 | fozzmoo | goes |
| 03:46.23 | levi | BTW, Toyota vehemently disagrees with the CNW study that says the Prius is less 'green' than a Hummer, and I find their presentation of evidence and studies a lot more compelling than CNW's. |
| 03:47.17 | levi | Yeah, praising good behavior is creepy. We should do less of that. ;) |
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| 04:03.33 | tensai | elg: I increased the hydration of my start, to about 150%. now I'm not sure if it's still alive. |
| 04:03.50 | elg | why's that? |
| 04:04.16 | tensai | I left it out for 10 hours or so and it never started bubbling |
| 04:04.51 | elg | how's it smell? |
| 04:05.01 | tensai | smells sour |
| 04:05.09 | tensai | more so than it used to |
| 04:05.39 | tensai | I tasted some and it didn't seem wrong, just more sour than before |
| 04:05.50 | tensai | and so far I'm not dead |
| 04:05.51 | tensai | I think |
| 04:07.08 | elg | i think you're not dead too |
| 04:07.32 | elg | you saw no bubbles? or you expected it to rise and shout? |
| 04:07.54 | elg | tbh i don't even look for bubbles. i can't remember if mine bubbles noticeably or not |
| 04:08.08 | elg | if you spoon it out, you'll see bubbles, but they may not be obvious on the surface |
| 04:08.29 | elg | i bet you didn't kill it |
| 04:08.48 | elg | they like that kind of environment more than the kind you were giving it, so if it was healthy before it's probably healthy now |
| 04:09.24 | tensai | I know I've read that it's pretty hard to kill a start |
| 04:09.44 | tensai | I started a loaf with it but had to cheat with commercial yeast because dinner was fast approaching |
| 04:11.03 | elg | dinner has a way of doing that |
| 04:11.26 | tensai | I guess I ought to start another one tonight and see how it is in the morning |
| 04:11.54 | tensai | what's your basic strategy for making a loaf of bread? |
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| 04:14.31 | elg | 425 g flour, 7-8g salt, 295 g water, a dallop of start (abt a teaspoon) or 1/4 tsp yeast |
| 04:14.52 | elg | mix and leave 8-12 hours |
| 04:15.02 | elg | stretch, fold, shape, rise, bake |
| 04:15.24 | elg | (stretch & fold = stretch it out and fold it in thirds, then turn it 90° and repeat) |
| 04:15.56 | elg | and yes, that was from memory :) |
| 04:16.08 | tensai | a teaspoon of start? seriously? |
| 04:16.18 | tensai | I usually use about 200g |
| 04:16.43 | tensai | how must start do you keep? |
| 04:18.09 | elg | takes longer to rise, but tastes bestest |
| 04:18.20 | elg | i have a jam jar that i keep about 1/3 full |
| 04:18.28 | elg | i.e. about 2-3 tablespoons |
| 04:19.28 | tensai | I have a bowl of 200-300g that I keep in the fridge. I double it, let it sit for 6-10 hours and then steal half for my loaf. |
| 04:19.46 | tensai | where do you store your start? |
| 04:20.03 | elg | that kind of jar |
| 04:20.04 | elg | http://www.bgfoods.com/polaner/p_sf_preserves.asp |
| 04:20.05 | brac | [Welcome to B&G Foods, Inc.] |
| 04:20.13 | elg | in the fridge door |
| 04:20.46 | elg | if i use it abt once a week or less, it's enough to feed it (double) when it gets low and put it back in |
| 04:21.07 | elg | if i need more or sooner, i let it sit out (i.e. for pancakes) |
| 04:21.13 | tensai | I was just musing today that I haven't bought jam in years |
| 04:21.27 | elg | that's a decent brand |
| 04:21.30 | elg | but don't get sugar free of course |
| 04:21.42 | elg | i think it's the perfect size for storing start |
| 04:22.18 | elg | also i don't keep the lid on tight |
| 04:22.21 | tensai | I'm sure I've got something around here about that size. my current container is a bit unweildy. |
| 04:22.26 | elg | threaded but not tightened |
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| 05:22.08 | Zelut | yo |
| 05:22.50 | Zelut | I've got an Alias setup on my webserver to repoint docroot/ to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/, but I also need it to select and run a specific file once its in there. |
| 05:23.27 | Zelut | That file also needs to become part of the URL, so setting it as an Index type file doesn't cut it.. |
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| 06:06.49 | jessie | hello |
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| 06:16.28 | Supaplex | ahoy |
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| 06:45.53 | tensai | nice. I saw comet lulin tonight. |
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| 07:09.38 | Sargun | comet lulin? |
| 07:09.48 | tensai | http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/highlights/35992534.html |
| 07:10.41 | tensai | it's right by saturn tonight |
| 07:51.13 | TimRiker | http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=timriker |
| 07:56.51 | Sargun | good job |
| 07:59.32 | Sargun | the test is broken |
| 07:59.33 | Sargun | for me |
| 07:59.38 | TimRiker | me? just reporting progress to try to encourage others to get ipv6 savy. |
| 08:00.04 | TimRiker | the questionaire seems to not display choices at the moment. it was working earlier tonight. hmm. |
| 08:00.48 | Sargun | odd |
| 08:05.31 | TimRiker | is that what it looks like for you? |
| 08:05.52 | TimRiker | is on irc.ipv6.freenode.net at the moment. :) |
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| 08:09.59 | Sargun6 | mhmm.. bitches. |
| 08:10.00 | Sargun6 | eat that. |
| 08:10.18 | TimRiker | heard back from them. someone is "cleaning up the code" atm, and broke something. should be fixed shortly. |
| 08:10.52 | TimRiker | woot! welcome to ipv6! not even 6to4. did you get a he.net tunnel? |
| 08:11.16 | tarrant | So the quote for when we run out is at just around 3 years. When is the day when they expect people to be able to hit the switch and just use ipv6? |
| 08:11.38 | tarrant | (by people I mean average users) |
| 08:12.09 | Sargun6 | ~ipv6 sargun |
| 08:12.30 | Sargun | TimRiker, heard from where? |
| 08:12.33 | Sargun | TimRiker, my home has been dual stack for about 1.5 years. |
| 08:12.34 | TimRiker | tarrant: not soon from what I've seen. anyone on ipv4 won't be able to reach ipv6 only boxes, but the reverse is not always true. so I expect we'll see ISPs that can't get address space forced to move customers first. |
| 08:13.02 | TimRiker | Sargun: sweet! who are you connecting through? |
| 08:13.11 | Sargun6 | TimRiker, whois me, baby |
| 08:13.12 | TimRiker | runs mtr ... :) |
| 08:14.39 | TimRiker | Sargun6: no rdns on your end yet? :) |
| 08:14.49 | tarrant | I apologize if my understanding of Ipv6 is a bit behind, but is it possible to in the interm get a dual connection using both a ipv6 address and a ipv4, default to the 6 and only fall back when needed? |
| 08:15.09 | TimRiker | remembers that he didn't add his new laptop ip after renumbering the local ipv6 net. |
| 08:15.10 | Sargun6 | TimRiker: my ISP successfully broke it |
| 08:15.51 | TimRiker | tarrant: yes. in fact if you have an ipv4 address, you can run 6to4 and get both without any action from your isp. |
| 08:16.14 | Supaplex | s/any/any special/ |
| 08:16.14 | TimRiker | if you are NATted, then you will need to have the router forward protocol41 to your 6to4 box. |
| 08:16.57 | TimRiker | firefox etc will try ipv6 first, and then ipv4 if there is no ipv6 address for a host. |
| 08:17.14 | tarrant | Niffty |
| 08:17.33 | TimRiker | %rwhois V-0.1a stats.sr.sonic.net (by Sonic.net, Inc. V-0.1a) |
| 08:17.41 | TimRiker | %error unknown |
| 08:18.34 | TimRiker | Sargun: sonic.net then? |
| 08:18.43 | Sargun | yeah |
| 08:19.10 | Sargun | I don't have full (RDNS) autoconfig |
| 08:19.14 | Sargun | do you run autoconfig at home/ |
| 08:19.30 | TimRiker | not yet. |
| 08:19.47 | TimRiker | I do have some of the ips in static dns for both 6 and 4 |
| 08:20.07 | TimRiker | I run radvd on the server to config ips on the nodes. |
| 08:20.15 | Sargun | I use IPv6 |
| 08:20.16 | Sargun | err |
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| 08:20.19 | Sargun | Quagga |
| 08:20.29 | TimRiker | not tried that one yet. |
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| 08:21.08 | Sargun | sargun@lucifer ~/.hide $ host -t ptr 2001:5a8:4:2cb0:221:6aff:fe27:2136 |
| 08:21.08 | Sargun | 6.3.1.2.7.2.e.f.f.f.a.6.1.2.2.0.0.b.c.2.4.0.0.0.8.a.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa domain name pointer lucifer.0.b.c.2.4.0.0.0.8.a.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. |
| 08:21.09 | Sargun | weird |
| 08:21.12 | Sargun | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 08:21.17 | Sargun | they want it going both ways |
| 08:21.22 | Sargun | stupid freenode |
| 08:21.29 | TimRiker | don't ya hate those missing dots? |
| 08:22.08 | TimRiker | host -t ptr 2001:5a8:4:2cb0:221:6aff:fe27:2136 |
| 08:22.08 | TimRiker | Host 6.3.1.2.7.2.e.f.f.f.a.6.1.2.2.0.0.b.c.2.4.0.0.0.8.a.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 08:23.17 | Supaplex | bad dots. no biscuit. |
| 08:23.23 | Sargun | uhm |
| 08:24.41 | Sargun | can you do a dig +trace? |
| 08:24.56 | TimRiker | host 2001:470:82ce:1:200:80ff:fe0b:dead |
| 08:25.02 | TimRiker | ~nslookup host 2001:470:82ce:1:200:80ff:fe0b:dead |
| 08:25.08 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 08:25.11 | Sargun | dead |
| 08:25.12 | Sargun | :-P |
| 08:25.41 | TimRiker | the irony goes deeper than that... figure out the mac address and lookup the vendor. :) |
| 08:26.52 | TimRiker | +trace just shows me the root servers. |
| 08:26.55 | Sargun | 80ff is the first chunk |
| 08:26.56 | Sargun | right |
| 08:27.15 | TimRiker | 86400INSOAa.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2009022500 1800 900 604800 86400 |
| 08:27.15 | TimRiker | ;; Received 127 bytes from 2001:500:3::42#53(L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 91 ms |
| 08:27.44 | Sargun | Are you doing RDNS? |
| 08:27.48 | TimRiker | course the next request might well be a differnt root server. |
| 08:28.05 | TimRiker | oh duh.. no -x. |
| 08:28.21 | TimRiker | b.c.2.4.0.0.0.8.a.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa.2 IN SOA ns1.fuzzed. xbmodder.gmail.com. 2008050600 120 300 1209600 10 |
| 08:28.26 | Sargun | hm |
| 08:28.44 | Sargun | d'oh, my zone is 0.b.c.2.4.0.0.0.8.a.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. |
| 08:28.46 | Sargun | Extra 0 |
| 08:29.36 | TimRiker | got rdns for me? |
| 08:30.12 | Sargun | nope |
| 08:32.57 | TimRiker | this is offsite: timr@atlantis:~$ host 2001:470:82ce:1:200:80ff:fe0b:dead |
| 08:32.57 | TimRiker | d.a.e.d.b.0.e.f.f.f.0.8.0.0.2.0.1.0.0.0.e.c.2.8.0.7.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa domain name pointer t500.rikers.org. |
| 08:33.30 | TimRiker | course with my cloak you may just have to trust me on the ip. |
| 08:35.16 | TimRiker | does it show my IP when I reconnect? or is the cloak fast enough to hide it? |
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| 08:36.36 | TimRiker | i=timr@t500.rikers.org hehe. freenode sees my rdns. :) |
| 08:36.43 | Sargun | n eat |
| 08:36.44 | Sargun | neat |
| 08:37.41 | TimRiker | I've not tried to setup ipv6 only hosts yet with a gateway. should be possible, I've just not gotten to it. |
| 08:37.52 | Sargun | you mean NAT-PT? |
| 08:38.39 | TimRiker | the next he.net test I need wants ipv6 ready dns servers. mine will be easy, but my two friends secondaries are not yet ipv6 ready. s'ok, I do have others I can use for it. |
| 08:38.43 | Supaplex | hands TimRiker a round toit |
| 08:38.59 | TimRiker | hehe. just what I needed! |
| 08:40.13 | Sargun | Supaplex, Donate a couple Jewnipers routers to us? |
| 08:40.24 | Sargun | "Test" your v6 implementation:? |
| 08:40.25 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 08:40.42 | Supaplex | pffft we don't even get a discount :`( |
| 08:40.50 | Sargun | seriously? |
| 08:40.52 | Sargun | fail. |
| 08:40.57 | Supaplex | *sniffle* |
| 08:41.01 | TimRiker | nods. nat-pt, nat64, natpt, IVI, whatever... |
| 08:41.18 | Sargun | Supaplex, do you have access to the code base of JunOS? |
| 08:41.32 | Supaplex | nay |
| 08:41.45 | Supaplex | makes troubleshooting a PITA some days. |
| 08:41.48 | Sargun | anything about the forwarding plane? |
| 08:42.15 | Supaplex | the forwarding plane is all asics on M/T series |
| 08:42.25 | Sargun | Verilog/Vhdl? |
| 08:42.47 | Supaplex | no idea. some have fpgas, but that's about all I know |
| 08:43.03 | Sargun | Well ASICs are sourced from VHDL/Verilog - normally |
| 08:43.22 | TimRiker | questions are back on http://ipv6.he.net/certification/ |
| 08:43.22 | Supaplex | they don't expect me to engineer the stuff |
| 08:43.39 | TimRiker | or rather, the answer choices... :) |
| 08:43.45 | Sargun | Supaplex, Steal the JunOS source, and sell it to the highest bidder |
| 08:44.05 | TimRiker | sell?!? just "open source" it. :) |
| 08:44.17 | Supaplex | both ;) |
| 08:44.22 | TimRiker | :) |
| 08:44.50 | Supaplex | it's not like the community needs their source. just rtfm and rewrite your own. :) |
| 08:45.02 | Supaplex | s/rewrite/patch/ |
| 08:45.43 | Sargun | Supaplex, Isn't the mark up on the routers HUGe? |
| 08:45.54 | Sargun | like several thousand percent? |
| 08:46.07 | Supaplex | who am I to judge? What vendor doesn't do the same? |
| 08:46.20 | Sargun | why don't you be robin hood? |
| 08:46.45 | Supaplex | because AT&T can pay full price for it. :) |
| 08:46.56 | Supaplex | as can any other carrier :p |
| 08:47.12 | Sargun | I thought T was mostly Crisco |
| 08:47.40 | Supaplex | juniper runs over 50% of the core, and it only took them 7 years from startup to get there. |
| 08:48.15 | Supaplex | as for at&t by percentage, I'm not sure. |
| 08:48.22 | Sargun | ah, a lot of the edge is still Crisco |
| 08:48.38 | Supaplex | I think so |
| 08:48.41 | Sargun | Can you guys get Internap to buy your stuff |
| 08:48.57 | Sargun | PLEASE |
| 08:48.59 | Sargun | :-0 |
| 08:49.34 | Supaplex | so what you're saying is, you have a possible opening for an resident engineer if only the gear was there? :) |
| 08:49.41 | Supaplex | a/an |
| 08:51.32 | Sargun | hehe |
| 08:51.57 | Sargun | As in I'm a customer of PNAP, well my employer is |
| 08:52.05 | Sargun | and I'm having REALLY nasty issues with them |
| 08:52.07 | Sargun | day to day |
| 08:53.32 | toofer_ | just a quick test |
| 08:54.11 | Supaplex | ~test |
| 08:54.12 | ibot | Failed! |
| 08:54.18 | Supaplex | well shuckey darn |
| 08:54.26 | Sargun | ah |
| 08:54.54 | toofer_ | Just wondering if I had lost connection or something because I wasn't able to send a message to another channel. |
| 08:54.56 | toofer_ | oh well. |
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| 09:02.42 | Sargun | Mhmm, microwave macaroni and cheese, tasty :-P |
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| 12:43.06 | eightyeight | anyone up for some troubleshooting? |
| 12:43.36 | eightyeight | i can send mail from every box on the lan, except one. no firewall in place. routing table is exactly the same on the other boxes. |
| 12:44.41 | eightyeight | the mail log says that connecting to any external smtp is timing out |
| 12:46.43 | eightyeight | this box is running the local dns server for the lan, which forwards out to opendns.org for it's queries. dns is working fine, as i get the ip and mx record for any host out there |
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| 14:54.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Combinatorial problems are distinct from sorting problems, right? |
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| 15:18.56 | eightyeight | any ideas? |
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| 15:37.37 | jsmith | eightyeight: Fire up a packet sniffer! |
| 15:37.51 | elg | ~sniff jsmith |
| 15:37.53 | ibot | ACTION sniffs jsmith, then walks away with his nose plugged. |
| 15:38.01 | eightyeight | yeah. i've been after tcpdump, but i'm not seeing it |
| 15:38.12 | jsmith | ~stuff elg |
| 15:38.13 | ibot | ACTION grab's elg, fills them up with stuffing, and sticks them in the oven |
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| 15:39.14 | eightyeight | this is a headless box, with no gui installed, so wireshark wouldn't help, that i can see |
| 15:39.46 | elg | you can capture with tcpdump and load it into wireshark on your workstation |
| 15:41.09 | eightyeight | i didn't know that. i'll give that a shot then |
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| 16:16.37 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:16.38 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into mrpull's ear |
| 16:17.15 | mrpull | ouchie |
| 16:17.16 | sinuhe | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:17.16 | ibot | holds sjansen to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 16:17.51 | sjansen | ~retaliate sinuhe |
| 16:18.06 | eightyeight | a cat5e-o-nine-tails? |
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| 16:50.54 | TimRiker | taunts http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=timriker |
| 16:53.30 | sjansen | taunts http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=buscaluz |
| 16:54.26 | sjansen | I'm stuck at the DNS problems 'cause I'm too lazy to switch away from zoneedit. |
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| 16:58.50 | TimRiker | nice. I'm working on the dns. didn't get to the other questionaire yet. |
| 16:59.27 | TimRiker | did you ever get a question wrong? I have not yet, and I wondered if it lets you retake till you get a perfect score or not. |
| 17:01.12 | sjansen | It does let you retake. |
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| 17:25.07 | TimRiker | woots. ipv6 setup on xmission.bzflag.org |
| 17:28.06 | eightyeight | does comcast blog outbound port 25? |
| 17:28.20 | unum | no |
| 17:28.25 | unum | atleast they didn't used to |
| 17:28.47 | unum | but a lot of other server will not accept mail from comcast addresses |
| 17:29.06 | eightyeight | i can't figure for the like of me why i can't send an email from my box |
| 17:29.07 | Tene_ | For good reason. |
| 17:29.07 | unum | usu won't even except comcast business address |
| 17:29.14 | eightyeight | s/like/life/ |
| 17:29.30 | unum | I eventually had to give up and switch to smart host |
| 17:29.34 | eightyeight | no firewall on my end. i can't even telnet host 25 |
| 17:29.44 | JoshH | see if you can telnet to various 25's from your comcrap |
| 17:29.57 | JoshH | if you can't connect to any but theirs, they block it (i think they do now) |
| 17:30.06 | eightyeight | have some for me to test? i've tried a few, and all time out |
| 17:30.48 | unum | you can use try unum5.org |
| 17:30.50 | JoshH | a.mx.mail.yahoo.com, mail.xmission.com, gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com |
| 17:31.13 | unum | I haven't been on a comcast home account in three years |
| 17:31.37 | unum | I highly recommend linode btw |
| 17:32.02 | eightyeight | i timout with all of JoshH and unum 's recommendations |
| 17:32.09 | JoshH | but if you are on comcast and don't use a smarthost, your mail will almost never get to anyone anyway |
| 17:32.24 | unum | JoshH: agreed |
| 17:32.29 | eightyeight | so, i should relay? |
| 17:32.49 | unum | ya |
| 17:33.19 | JoshH | or get a better isp, if you can |
| 17:33.36 | unum | might get utopia at his condo :) |
| 17:34.14 | eightyeight | so, to relay, i should probably use my comcast account then, to smtp.comcast.net:587? |
| 17:34.37 | unum | you can use smart host, in fact you are the one who told me that |
| 17:34.40 | sjansen | I thought I read the Comcast finally started blocking port 25. |
| 17:34.46 | unum | then you don't need to use your account |
| 17:36.01 | sjansen | Running a server on a home IP address is doomed. Spammers and lusers spoiled it for all of us. |
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| 17:37.21 | JoshH | unless you have an isp that isn't automatically blocked by everyone |
| 17:37.54 | JoshH | in that case, it's fine unless you need proper reliability |
| 17:38.36 | unum | even their business acounts are blocked by a lot of people |
| 17:39.06 | unum | plus I lost connectivity once a month |
| 17:39.14 | JoshH | tons of xmission users and businesses on dsl and utopia have mail servers with no problems at all |
| 17:39.18 | unum | lindoe is REALLY worth the $20 |
| 17:39.31 | JoshH | i'd probably go with slicehost |
| 17:39.44 | unum | but dsl is a lot slower than comcast |
| 17:39.44 | JoshH | seen lots of linode complaints in this channel before |
| 17:39.55 | JoshH | what's comcast's upload now? |
| 17:40.01 | unum | JoshH: I've only seen recommendations |
| 17:40.17 | sjansen | I switch from Linode to Slicehost because Slicehost has Xen first. I've gone back to Linode because the prices are better, the tools are better, the company is more experienced. |
| 17:40.35 | sjansen | s/switch/switched/ ; s/has/had/ |
| 17:40.37 | JoshH | dsl still has 896kbps up, and you can bond multiple lines of you have enough money |
| 17:40.40 | unum | 2 Mbps |
| 17:40.50 | eightyeight | is anyone here running a mailserver on a comcast home ip? |
| 17:41.08 | eightyeight | even setting the smarthost to smtp.comcast.net, i get connections timed out |
| 17:41.23 | JoshH | with comcast, you get more raw speed, but you have ports blocked, you can't customize your reverse dns, your mail gets blocked, your torrents are screwy, etc |
| 17:41.32 | JoshH | so it's only good if you like downloading from giganews all day |
| 17:41.59 | unum | I like the 800kBs speed I get when I upgrade sid |
| 17:42.11 | unum | plus I like not dealing with qwest |
| 17:42.17 | unum | as much as I hate comcast |
| 17:42.41 | unum | I already have to deal with them because of an HOA contract |
| 17:42.47 | JoshH | qwest does suck to deal with, but personally i've only ever had to when i forgot to pay my bill, and that is usually resolved quick |
| 17:43.16 | JoshH | there are people out there who have had to go through terrible ordeals though |
| 17:43.28 | unum | I've never had to deal directly with qwestly and I plan to keep it that way |
| 17:43.42 | unum | though I have horror stories with comcast |
| 17:43.54 | unum | I've never dealt with a more incompetent company than comcast |
| 17:45.22 | JoshH | personallly, as someone who likes to do geeky things with my home connection, comcast wouldn't work for me. i would like more speed, but it's not a huge deal |
| 17:46.21 | RyanE | better the devil you know than the devil you don't know. |
| 17:49.24 | unum | I didn't every interfere with my business connection |
| 17:49.33 | unum | the problem was other people wouldn't accept my email |
| 17:49.49 | JoshH | also, with comcast, business account, subnet of ips, etc is $$$$$ |
| 17:50.20 | unum | ya I can't believe how crazy they are about that |
| 17:50.35 | unum | I just didn't want to cut my upload in half |
| 17:50.44 | JoshH | i dream of utopia in SLC someday |
| 17:50.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Any EE's here? |
| 17:50.53 | JoshH | or possibly getting a place in murray |
| 17:51.29 | unum | one of the guys in my hoa said he talked to utopia and that we should be able to get them to run it in soon |
| 17:52.10 | JoshH | what city are you in? |
| 17:52.15 | unum | and that's probably the biggest reason i stay on comcast. why bother switching to qwest when I'll be on utopia soon |
| 17:52.19 | unum | I'm in murray |
| 17:52.23 | JoshH | in a condo? |
| 17:52.26 | unum | ya |
| 17:52.38 | unum | it's hard to get them to run it into a condo |
| 17:52.51 | unum | but our condo's are more like town homes |
| 17:53.00 | JoshH | meh, i got a kid with another on the way, so when i upgrade (currently in a SLC duplex) i'll need a real house, real yard, etc |
| 17:53.14 | JoshH | and ya, MDU's with utopia has always been a pita |
| 17:53.33 | unum | I would think a house in murray would be cheaper than a duplex in slc |
| 17:53.39 | unum | unless you are in glendale |
| 17:53.47 | JoshH | nah, not really |
| 17:54.22 | JoshH | i pay 850 for 3 bedrooms |
| 17:54.27 | JoshH | it's on about 20th east |
| 17:55.01 | unum | of course I was looking at houses about six months before everything peaked |
| 17:55.17 | JoshH | seems like SL county suburbs aren't much cheaper at all anymore |
| 17:55.28 | JoshH | you still get a little more bang for the buck, but not a huge difference |
| 17:55.50 | sjansen | Utah didn't implode as badly as most of the nation. |
| 17:56.30 | unum | I'm paying more than you for 3 bedrooms in murray :) |
| 17:57.00 | unum | the company I work for is in murray because of UTOPIA |
| 17:58.04 | JoshH | business utopia is incredible for them |
| 17:58.26 | JoshH | basically a ds3 without the SLA, but similar real world reliability |
| 17:58.29 | Lone_Wanderer | was just wishing you were around, sjansen. |
| 17:58.32 | JoshH | same latency, etc |
| 17:58.48 | JoshH | and you don't need expensive gear for it |
| 17:59.21 | unum | the amount we save per month is in the thousands |
| 17:59.38 | Lone_Wanderer | How would you explain to someone that suggesting Eclipse - because it's easy to write plugins for it and it can manipulate XML and other structured data already |
| 17:59.57 | JoshH | curses rocky anderson for screwing over SLC |
| 17:59.58 | Lone_Wanderer | when someone asks what development platform they should write their bioinformatics software with |
| 18:00.04 | Lone_Wanderer | is not a reasonable suggestion |
| 18:00.31 | unum | why is eclipse not a reasonable suggestion? |
| 18:00.35 | unum | is confused |
| 18:00.42 | JoshH | because it's not vim |
| 18:00.52 | unum | ah ok that makes sense ;P |
| 18:00.56 | Lone_Wanderer | He was saying they should use Eclipse *as the bioinformatics software itself* |
| 18:01.05 | unum | aaaah |
| 18:01.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Not that they should use it as a tool to develop the software |
| 18:03.31 | unum | dan snarr asked me for an endorsement because he thinks some people will go after him for having supported utopia |
| 18:04.15 | unum | Lone_Wanderer: have this person install eclipse and show you how they will input the data |
| 18:04.36 | sjansen | *shrug* I've never tried using Eclipse as an application development platform. Apparently people have done it, though. |
| 18:04.39 | Lone_Wanderer | They're on a mailing list, and from what I understand they're already using Eclipse to view and manipulate genetic data. |
| 18:05.02 | unum | it may be like how qbasic is our dataprocessing platform |
| 18:05.14 | sjansen | ouch |
| 18:05.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Right, but he's saying "Why develop a new application at all? Just use Eclipse!" |
| 18:05.53 | sjansen | Is this a UI-heavy app or file-in/file-out type of app? |
| 18:06.16 | unum | he may use it like a scripting language |
| 18:06.32 | sjansen | 'Cause Eclipse would be a lousy idea for a batch processing app. But I don't have enough experience to judge its usefulness for UI-heavy work. |
| 18:06.32 | unum | where you write custom code for each situation |
| 18:06.39 | unum | or edit a template |
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| 18:06.46 | Lone_Wanderer | It's still a hypothetical pie-in-the-sky app at this point. |
| 18:07.17 | sjansen | Obviously y'all should be using BioPerl. |
| 18:07.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Sounds good to me. |
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| 18:56.17 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | Friends don't let friends use KDE4 |
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| 19:00.09 | sinuhe | ~whip redbeard2 |
| 19:00.10 | ibot | ACTION takes redbeard2 outside to be thoroughly whipped by sinuhe |
| 19:00.58 | jshipley | sjansen: I had a friend using KDE4 -- well before it was released |
| 19:01.59 | jshipley | He was pretty involved in KDE4 too. He was doing development and going to conventions. |
| 19:02.31 | sjansen | After reading about how amazing KDE4 is, I've tried installing it several times. It's pretty enough, but so far no KDE4 install has stayed functional for more than a week. |
| 19:02.57 | jshipley | I was using KDE 3.5, tried out KDE 4 for a while, left it for gnome, and then left that for xfce |
| 19:03.13 | goozbach | sjansen: I accidentially logged into kde4 yesterday. I thought I was on a Mac for a minute |
| 19:03.15 | jshipley | Gnome was also my DE before KDE 3.5 |
| 19:03.38 | jshipley | Have you seen the commercial from Australia where they're telling people that KDE4 is Vista? |
| 19:03.57 | sinuhe | goozbach: A Mac? I don't see the resemblance. It looks more like Vista to me (nods to jshipley). |
| 19:04.15 | sinuhe | I understand that Gnome2 had a couple Mac designers involved. |
| 19:04.48 | sjansen | Windows is flatter than KDE4. Mac OS is more glowing and bubbly like KDE4. |
| 19:05.41 | sinuhe | nods to sjansen. |
| 19:05.50 | sjansen | I guess you could say that KDE4 layout is like Windows, but the texture is like Mac OS. |
| 19:05.55 | jshipley | I just wish that I could pick some features from KDE, some from Gnome, and some from various other DEs, and put them together into a better DE. |
| 19:06.27 | sjansen | I really like the dark versions of Oxygen. |
| 19:06.33 | jshipley | It seems like Gnome and KDE (3.5) each have missing/weird features that are much better in the other DE |
| 19:06.35 | sinuhe | Of desktops, I prefer Gnome, but ultimately, I find that I stay with my 10+ year old fvwmrc. Call me a masochist. |
| 19:07.07 | goozbach | I'm trying to become a fan of ratpoison myself |
| 19:07.11 | sinuhe | admits he has not used KDE long term since KDE2. |
| 19:07.51 | jshipley | has anybody tried e17? |
| 19:07.57 | JoshH | i did once |
| 19:08.02 | sinuhe | For about 20 minutes. |
| 19:08.04 | jshipley | I tried it for a couple of days, and I was liking it, but it kept crashing on me |
| 19:08.06 | JoshH | same |
| 19:08.18 | sjansen | Tene_ did for awhile. Don't know if he still does. |
| 19:08.34 | Tene_ | I still have a relatively up-to-date copy. |
| 19:08.35 | JoshH | it was a pita to install, no package at the time i tried it |
| 19:08.38 | JoshH | maybe that's still the case |
| 19:08.40 | JoshH | i don't care anymore |
| 19:08.41 | sinuhe | e16 is fun for nostalgia's sake, but it rarely lasts more than a week. |
| 19:08.51 | Tene_ | I haven't wanted to deal with figuring out NetworkManager outside of gnome yet. |
| 19:08.52 | sinuhe | I do like blackbox, though. |
| 19:09.01 | Tene_ | So I mostly just use e17 when I'm not wanting to go online. |
| 19:09.05 | jshipley | e17 isn't released yet. I don't know if there are any packages -- I built it so that I could try it |
| 19:09.28 | JoshH | i use those light wm's at the end of a desktop machine's lifecycle, but that's about it |
| 19:09.29 | Tene_ | jshipley: there are packages in recent fedora |
| 19:10.12 | JoshH | i only use networkmanager on laptops |
| 19:10.21 | jshipley | NetworkManager is really useful on a laptop that visits different networks, or even on any computer with wireless -- but if I don't have wireless I get rid of it |
| 19:10.45 | Tene_ | My main system is a laptop that visits many different networks. |
| 19:11.03 | Tene_ | My secondary system is an old desktop assigned to basement server duties. |
| 19:11.55 | jshipley | Hmm, I'll have to see if I can get NetworkManager to work with XFCE |
| 19:13.29 | sinuhe | NetworkManager is evil. |
| 19:14.21 | sinuhe | prefers ifcfg-foo and network/interfaces, continuing the masochistic tradition of prefering tools that actually work, over tools that claim to be easier, but do not work. |
| 19:15.03 | goozbach | sinuhe: when did you sneak back into the channel? |
| 19:15.40 | sinuhe | goozbach: a couple days ago. I've been lurking around the archives for a couple months. |
| 19:18.01 | JoshH | network/interfaces and network/if-*.d are the best |
| 19:18.12 | JoshH | nothing else can compare |
| 19:19.30 | sinuhe | avoids the Debian vs Fedora (or your favourite spinoff) flamewar. |
| 19:19.57 | goozbach | sinuhe: python or perl? |
| 19:20.04 | sinuhe | LISP! |
| 19:20.08 | sinuhe | ducks |
| 19:20.11 | goozbach | nice |
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| 19:21.23 | sjansen | sinuhe is afraid of progress. X11 is still too cutting edge for him. |
| 19:21.44 | sinuhe | sjansen: :-p You're just jealous. |
| 19:21.58 | sjansen | Of the hair? A little. |
| 19:22.03 | sinuhe | lol |
| 19:23.03 | sinuhe | Down with {x,g,k}dm! |
| 19:23.23 | JoshH | i was a startx man until i switched to ubuntu |
| 19:23.28 | JoshH | (with hardy) |
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| 19:24.24 | sinuhe | waits in anticipation of JoshH's followup on why Ubuntu is significant regarding [g]dm. |
| 19:24.35 | JoshH | no real reason |
| 19:24.52 | JoshH | just didn't bother un-modernizing the setup |
| 19:24.59 | sinuhe | Just had to get Ubuntu in there, eh? ;-) |
| 19:25.11 | sinuhe | modernizing... |
| 19:25.37 | JoshH | well, i got a new workstation with a sata dvdrw, and the etch cd installer (was planning to use testing) wouldn't detect and mount the drive |
| 19:25.50 | JoshH | didn't feel like workign around that, so i just grabbed a hardy cd |
| 19:26.21 | sinuhe | Ubuntu is good for "just work[ing]." |
| 19:26.47 | JoshH | i was worried about how smoothly upgrades would go with it, since i was used to debian, but the upgrade to intrepid was fine |
| 19:26.56 | JoshH | which is good, since i didn't bother with any backups |
| 19:27.12 | sinuhe | JoshH: I'm surprised you admit that in public. |
| 19:27.36 | JoshH | i'm usually a bit more responsible |
| 19:27.43 | sinuhe | Aren't we all... |
| 19:28.09 | Lone_Wanderer | A lot of people say they're "usually" something other than what they're doing at the moment |
| 19:28.16 | JoshH | besides, my /home is its own partition |
| 19:28.21 | JoshH | so i wouldn't have been too screwed |
| 19:28.23 | Lone_Wanderer | by which they mean they know they should be doing it the other way but they never do |
| 19:28.31 | jshipley | sinuhe: Ubuntu is good for "just work[ing." -- except for when it doesn't |
| 19:28.52 | Tene_ | http://simplynoise.com/ |
| 19:28.53 | brac | [SimplyNoise.com - The best free white noise generator on the Internet.] |
| 19:30.01 | Tene_ | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html |
| 19:30.03 | brac | [$100 Linux wall-wart launches] |
| 19:30.08 | sinuhe | I've had one problem with Ubuntu and that was an in place upgrade from 8.04. I suspect the problem was some heavy customization, so I don't blame Ubuntu. |
| 19:30.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Tene_: why can't I hear simplynoise.com? |
| 19:30.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Am I deaf? |
| 19:30.59 | Tene_ | Yes. |
| 19:31.04 | Tene_ | Or dead. |
| 19:31.11 | Tene_ | You're just dea*. |
| 19:31.26 | sinuhe | deal? |
| 19:31.34 | sinuhe | dear? |
| 19:32.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I was wondering why everything seemed so incorporeal. |
| 19:32.19 | sjansen | Be a dear and turn up the whitenoise. |
| 19:32.22 | Tene_ | deacon? |
| 19:32.25 | Tene_ | deactivated? |
| 19:32.28 | Tene_ | deadbeat? |
| 19:32.38 | Tene_ | deadbolt? |
| 19:32.40 | Lone_Wanderer | deaxyribonucleic acid? |
| 19:32.53 | Tene_ | It doesn't count if you cheat! |
| 19:32.58 | sinuhe | lol |
| 19:32.59 | Lone_Wanderer | :( |
| 19:33.10 | sinuhe | /usr/share/dict/words is a useful file. |
| 19:33.17 | jshipley | the white noise is a lot less irritating than a spinning hard drive |
| 19:33.30 | Tene_ | I love usdw! |
| 19:34.53 | jshipley | It kind of reminds me of the sound of a waterfall |
| 19:35.02 | sinuhe | What is it with the need to make acronyms of everything? I protest! |
| 19:35.34 | Tene_ | Oh, you mean tntmaoe? Yeah, I tkwym. |
| 19:35.38 | jshipley | IAP (I also protest) |
| 19:35.43 | sinuhe | s/lol/Laughs out loud/ |
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| 19:36.16 | sinuhe | /ignore's Tene_ |
| 19:36.31 | sinuhe | What have I started? |
| 19:36.32 | jshipley | sinuhe: Studies indicate that people who 'lol' are rarely ever actually laughing out loud -- the term loi (laughing on the inside) is preferred ;) |
| 19:36.51 | Tene_ | I'm entertained by xkcd's "csak" |
| 19:37.03 | sinuhe | Hmmm...sjansen sits next to me. Ask him if I don't at least chuckle with my lols |
| 19:37.03 | Tene_ | (chuckling silently at keyboard) |
| 19:37.05 | Tene_ | Or was it softly? |
| 19:37.08 | jshipley | No, I can't cite the studies, as they probably don't really exist -- it just made my line sound better :) |
| 19:37.30 | sinuhe | would suggest softly, but he is still ignorning Tene_ |
| 19:38.39 | jshipley | seriously though, that does seem like a good topic for a study -- "New groundbreaking study suggests that something that is common knowledge and very obvious might actually happen" |
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| 20:23.51 | unum | why oh why does debian have to make it so hard to invoke vim not using compatiblity mode when you type vi |
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| 20:24.21 | unum | apache seems to no longer be following my symlinks when it's multiple levels |
| 20:24.32 | unum | does anyone know why or how to enable it again |
| 20:27.37 | unum | oh it looks like I was doing thing differently than I thought... |
| 20:27.38 | sjansen | Are the symlinks going through a directory that doesn't have FollowSymlinks? |
| 20:30.03 | unum | I do have followsymlinks set |
| 20:36.05 | unum | so my main mistake was in thinking that I had tested this set up before |
| 20:40.11 | Sargun | Does anyone know of any decent graphing utilities other than RRDtool? |
| 20:42.38 | Tene_ | gnuplot? |
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| 20:44.00 | eggyknap | Sargun: R is nice. gnuplot has neater looking graphs, in general, but R lets you transform the data more |
| 20:44.54 | Sargun | I'll go with gnuplot |
| 20:44.58 | Sargun | I've used it before |
| 20:45.15 | Sargun | R looks like a fad - for now at least. |
| 20:45.26 | elg | compared to R you look like a fad |
| 20:45.34 | eggyknap | Yeah, exactly. R has been around forever. |
| 20:45.35 | Tene_ | but FACEBOOK and GOOGLE are using it sargun! |
| 20:45.54 | sjansen | R looks like a fad? |
| 20:45.55 | eggyknap | ...which isn't to say you shouldn't use gnuplot :) |
| 20:46.04 | sjansen | What have you been smoking, and why aren't you sharing? |
| 20:47.12 | Sargun | ~lart Tene_ |
| 20:47.12 | ibot | holds Tene_ to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 20:47.35 | Sargun | elg, eggyknap As in, if someone replaces me, they are far more likely to be able to use gnuplot compared to R |
| 20:48.04 | elg | what do you need to do? |
| 20:48.19 | elg | if you need to do statistical analysis, r would be the tool |
| 20:48.31 | elg | if you need to do rrdtool-like graphs, that would probably be the tool |
| 20:48.38 | elg | if you need general graphs, gnuplot comes to mind |
| 21:05.15 | Sargun | I would want stupid general plots |
| 21:06.32 | elg | if you want stupid plots you might try excel |
| 21:06.52 | jshipley | or even graph paper :p |
| 21:13.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Holy cow. An email from Joel Spolsky, pimping a conference at which Paul Graham is speaking. |
| 21:18.13 | TimRiker | for ip in $(host irc.ipv6.freenode.net|grep IPv6|cut -d ' ' -f 5);do echo $ip;ping6 -c 1 $ip|grep loss; done |
| 21:18.29 | TimRiker | things to amuse you once you're on ipv6. |
| 21:20.30 | TimRiker | for ip in $(host irc.ipv6.freenode.net|grep IPv6|cut -d ' ' -f 5);do echo $ip;ping6 -c 1 $ip|grep loss;done I see one down, do you? |
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| 21:34.09 | Sargun | Anyone here messed with GPRS remote access? |
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| 21:48.43 | unum | http://www.singularics.com/products/encryption/ <- an other great schneier link |
| 21:49.17 | Sargun | Can anyone here recommend something like the Soekris, just cheaper/lighter weight? |
| 21:49.37 | Sargun | Embedded Linux devices with an interface or two. |
| 21:49.49 | Sargun | I wish OLPCs were available without the stupid G1G1 program. |
| 21:49.53 | Sargun | I want to kill NN |
| 21:49.58 | unum | eeepc |
| 21:50.06 | Sargun | <$200 |
| 21:50.08 | tarrant | Like: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html |
| 21:50.19 | Sargun | tarrant, like that, just a bit better... |
| 21:50.23 | Sargun | As in not "beta" |
| 21:51.26 | unum | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/08/27/a-real-space-oddity-arrives-at-pc-pro/ |
| 21:51.41 | unum | oh it's >$325 |
| 21:51.45 | unum | but still awesome |
| 21:51.49 | unum | I want one for no good reason |
| 21:55.33 | unum | I'll probably end up with one of the wall warts eventually |
| 21:56.55 | tensai | Jayce^: ping |
| 21:57.08 | Jayce^ | hunh? what? |
| 21:57.44 | tensai | Jayce^: what's the mod_perl program that's better than platypus? the name escapes me. |
| 21:57.54 | Jayce^ | hehe... Freeside |
| 21:58.00 | unum | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/itx_cases/MOREX_3688 |
| 21:58.17 | unum | I new I had seen small linux devices actually for sell somewhere |
| 21:58.43 | unum | oh that's just the case... |
| 21:58.58 | tensai | Jayce^: thanks |
| 21:59.07 | unum | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Systems/533MHz_fanless_Mini_ITX_PC |
| 21:59.16 | unum | there we go that's a whole system |
| 21:59.28 | Jayce^ | tensai: finally going to upgrade billing systems? |
| 21:59.36 | tensai | Jayce^: just dreaming again |
| 22:01.54 | Jayce^ | remember to actually make the list of things you need/dont' see :) |
| 22:01.59 | Jayce^ | and actually give it to us |
| 22:04.03 | tensai | yeah, I really ought to |
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| 22:11.00 | tarrant | Anything around that size with dual ethernet jacks? I'm thinking about building a firewall. |
| 22:15.34 | sjansen | Uhm... WTF? A "theoretically unbreakable public-key algorithm" based on "a new branch of mathematics called Neutronics"? |
| 22:16.59 | tarrant | who? |
| 22:17.29 | Tene_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_core_reactor_rocket#Neutronic_considerations |
| 22:17.31 | sjansen | Translation: "Our company has bought into the mad ravings of a crackpot. For our next act, we intend to claim ownership of Linux." |
| 22:19.17 | tensai | Jayce^: does freeside support child accounts and guarantors? |
| 22:20.03 | Jayce^ | guarantors? depends on what exactly you mean there. |
| 22:20.29 | tensai | if Bob doesn't pay his bill, we charge Alice |
| 22:23.05 | tensai | can I get it to slow down every few weeks and require a restart? |
| 22:23.23 | tensai | can I have it stop processing incoming emails? |
| 22:23.35 | tensai | those seem to be some of the key features of Platypus |
| 22:24.31 | tensai | I'm interested in the tax details too. when we implented taxes for voip it was a royal mess. |
| 22:26.02 | Tene_ | Rakudo is passing over 7,000 spectests now. |
| 22:30.12 | unum | Sargun: did you see my dsl link? |
| 22:36.59 | Sargun | unum, no |
| 22:41.36 | tensai | Jayce^: I'm positive that if we were to start from scratch, freeside would more than suffice |
| 22:42.25 | Jayce^ | eg, you want to throttle your clients based on payment levels? |
| 22:44.53 | tensai | Jayce^: sorry, you lost me |
| 22:45.43 | sjansen | tensai: You just need to announce a flag day. |
| 22:45.44 | Jayce^ | just trying to read the features, when you mentioned slow down :) |
| 22:46.10 | tensai | oh, I meant that one in a bad way |
| 22:46.17 | Jayce^ | but I bet you're questions would be better answered in the freeside channel on oftc :) |
| 22:46.25 | Jayce^ | yeah, I know, but was trying to be nice :) |
| 22:46.55 | Jayce^ | as for guarantors, as you metion, I haven't implemented that myself, but wouldnt' be hard to run |
| 22:46.59 | tensai | I actually started rewriting platypus using perl dbi. just the parts I actually use. |
| 22:47.53 | sjansen | "tensai Corp. is proud to announce that on April 1st all customers will lose Internet access for this day. tensai Corp. is doing this to allow customers an opportunity to experience the great outdoors. Billing systems will also be upgraded. All customers are invited to drop by tensai Corp. to play a rousing game of bzflag football on the lawn." |
| 22:49.57 | sjansen | Right about now it would be really nice to have access to that game dungeon at Omniture. |
| 22:51.23 | tensai | Jayce^: can I set up permissions on individual reports? e.g. use Foo can run report X but not Y. |
| 22:52.08 | Jayce^ | tensai: yeah, and by reseller/segment/etc |
| 22:52.23 | tensai | that would be a nice improvement |
| 22:53.19 | tensai | last time we renewed our contract tucows raised their prices considerably. depending on how things go in the future, that seems the most likely reason we would have to switch. |
| 22:54.15 | Jayce^ | hey, if you didn't want to hack on it, there are .deb's too :) |
| 22:55.26 | tensai | cpan doesn't scare me |
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| 23:05.59 | goozbach | tensai: aparently you haven't tried to install Catalyst |
| 23:06.15 | tensai | that's true. I have installed freeside before and it wasn't bad. |
| 23:07.20 | Jayce^ | it isn't all that nice either :) |
| 23:07.25 | Jayce^ | quite a few deps |
| 23:07.36 | Jayce^ | but they aren't as bleeding edge as catalyst for sure |
| 23:11.26 | tensai | elg: ping |
| 23:17.11 | Tene_ | goozbach: you mean 'yum install perl-Catalyst'? |
| 23:17.33 | goozbach | Tene_: shh |
| 23:18.04 | goozbach | if people figure out how easy it's gotten, EVERYBODY will be writing catalyst programs |
| 23:18.53 | Tene_ | Facebook keeps trying to get me to add fozz's wife as a friend. She's in the "People you may know" sidebar far more than anyone else. |
| 23:22.02 | Sargun | They use A* to get that IIRC |
| 23:22.16 | Sargun | they traverse the social graph and find everything with a pretty low cost |
| 23:22.25 | Sargun | it's interesting how they do their cost calculations |
| 23:25.11 | sjansen | goozbach: Installing Catalyst isn't as easy as "yum install", not if you want to use all the cutting edge stuff the tutorials teach. |
| 23:25.37 | sjansen | If you're happy with a subset of the documented features, though... |
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| 23:28.42 | findlay_ | ~lart blackboard |
| 23:28.42 | ibot | beats blackboard over the head with a microkernel |
| 23:28.54 | findlay_ | ~incinerate blackboard |
| 23:29.12 | unum | Sargun: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Systems/533MHz_fanless_Mini_ITX_PC |
| 23:33.44 | elg | tensai: ponggg |
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| 23:36.39 | findlay_ | -chat blackboard |
| 23:36.54 | findlay_ | ~seen brac |
| 23:36.59 | ibot | brac <i=fugalh@c-76-113-97-1.hsd1.nm.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4h 6m 56s ago, saying: '[$100 Linux wall-wart launches]'. |
| 23:40.40 | findlay_ | $100 for wall mart? |
| 23:41.11 | findlay_ | I'd sell it to buy some groceries |
| 23:41.16 | Heartsbane | no Wall wart |
| 23:41.21 | Heartsbane | read it again |
| 23:41.35 | findlay_ | ~walmart Heartsbane |
| 23:41.36 | ibot | ACTION dresses Heartsbane in a WalMart bag. |
| 23:41.44 | Heartsbane | yuck |
| 23:44.20 | tensai | yay! 700 more bogomips for free! |
| 23:44.57 | tensai | my motherboard fsb clock speed was too slow. wasn't taking full advantage of the cpu. |
| 23:49.50 | tensai | sweet. hd video works again. |
| 23:52.06 | elg | how did that happen? |
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| 23:53.22 | tensai | long story is I switched motherboards for my mythtv box. the fsb clock was set to a safe default which wasn't correct for this processor. |
| 23:53.49 | tensai | after a lot of digging I found the correct settings, which I haven't yet quite finished |
| 23:54.31 | tensai | it's amazing how much we were getting used to using mythtv |
| 23:54.53 | tensai | with the cpu too slow for hd video, we had to transcode most everything. live tv was obviously out. |
| 23:54.56 | tensai | totally lame |
| 23:56.04 | findlay_ | yay, tensai can watch american idol live again |
| 23:56.13 | elg | i got a pvr-150 a few weeks back to dvr my analog cable |
| 23:56.35 | elg | A) it works a heckuvalot better than i thought it would |
| 23:56.55 | tensai | news was the really annoying one. by the time the news finished transcoding, it wasn't news. |
| 23:57.03 | elg | B) there's an almost neverending supply of one of mythbusters, dirty jobs, good eats, star trek |
| 23:57.06 | tensai | and who wants to watch olds? |
| 23:57.21 | elg | sjansen does |
| 23:58.46 | sjansen | is too cheap to pay for cable, an antenna or even a TV |
| 23:59.03 | elg | well, in this case cable+internet was cheaper than dsl |
| 23:59.09 | findlay_ | do you pay for floss? |
| 23:59.30 | elg | you can find a TV at DI for less than you pay for floss |